How many boilers does this house really need?

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Urban Plumbers

Urban Plumbers

2 жыл бұрын

#intergas #boiler #efficiency
In this video I am installing a heating system at a large 300m2 house in Esher, KT10.
We are removing 3 x 20kW boilers and 375L unvented cylinders and replacig them with...well, have a guess yourself.
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@billybobhouse9559
@billybobhouse9559 2 жыл бұрын
I've been doing service and repair for 14 years, but you make me feel like an apprentice. I'm so impressed by this. What a great solution and so much simpler.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
I only show the bits that work out mate :) - but thank you for nice words.
@elmafudd9703
@elmafudd9703 2 жыл бұрын
Your a bloody good plumber they are so hard to find. I wish everyone had this pride and skill set.
@ro63rto
@ro63rto 2 жыл бұрын
An absolute expert in your field and an artist. If ever I am in a position to redo mine, I know who I'm gonna call.
@justinklrjms
@justinklrjms Жыл бұрын
You do amazing work, your boiler piping deserves to be in an art gallery
@h8ryj
@h8ryj 2 жыл бұрын
Not only are your installation skills epic! 👌 but you explain your theory exceptionally! You put training centre tutors to shame, some who even have 40 years experience cant explain as thoroughly as you. Very well done! 👍👍
@imranmajid1978
@imranmajid1978 2 жыл бұрын
Two words.... Absolute Genius!!!! A little part of me was thinking high temp heat pump.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
It would be safe to say that you will never see me fit a high temp heat pump!
@joedefloat7802
@joedefloat7802 2 жыл бұрын
'' WOW '' your knowledge and expertise ,skill and finished work is second to none . a pleasure to watch .⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@berkano_plays
@berkano_plays 2 жыл бұрын
Admire the pipe work and how cleanly everything is laid out. You should do a video on how to determine if the plumbing/heating professional you need to hire actually knows what they are doing... What questions can be asked of them, and what answers are to be expected, sort of.. Any potential red flags, etc...
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
that is a good idea
@yaa_sin
@yaa_sin 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with this, really struggling to find honest and competent tradesman ..
@enemyofthestatewearein7945
@enemyofthestatewearein7945 Жыл бұрын
Check out Heat Geek's channel, loads of great advice for consumers.
@JayGasEssex
@JayGasEssex Жыл бұрын
Also verify that the tradesman is Gas Safe too!
@LondonGas
@LondonGas 2 жыл бұрын
Sublime! Love watching you work. Nice job Szymon. Don't forget we're on that course on Monday, see you there...
@Falcon-eh8tq
@Falcon-eh8tq 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. All i can say is awesome, we don't have architecture like this where I live, It would be exciting to have a project like this. great video!
@mfielding007
@mfielding007 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, it all looks so neat now,bet you had a happy customer
@justjacqueline2004
@justjacqueline2004 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful craftsmanship.
@ka74
@ka74 9 ай бұрын
This is a great find with upcoming renovations. Thank you for sharing and hats off to great craftsmanship in your work.
@imnothere220
@imnothere220 Жыл бұрын
The aesthetic of the pipework is so good. Seeing these videos is actually making me a pain in the neck on a renovation. I want to know they can it this neatly!
@lewisneal7367
@lewisneal7367 2 жыл бұрын
I love xclusive boilers. One of my favourite boilers to fit. I fit intergas all the time and I don't think anything comes close to them. Definitely going to do this type of install on my next unvented cylinder system.
@markcollins457
@markcollins457 2 жыл бұрын
love your program, have been retired for some time but spent many years working for Honeywell and with the proper controls there is more than one way to get the job done it only takes money. I like your thought process.
@rs-zg6rs
@rs-zg6rs Жыл бұрын
A true artisan at work! A joy to watch someone who takes pride in their work and has the knowledge to back it all up. Your videos are superb and very informative and easy to follow for the lay person. Keep it up!
@brianmayne6513
@brianmayne6513 2 жыл бұрын
It's brilliant how you set up the heating and water systems. It definitely saves on gas and makes a really efficient system. Great job
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@paulbrown1079
@paulbrown1079 2 жыл бұрын
Very clever indeed . Great job .
@Ben-wb8ki
@Ben-wb8ki 2 жыл бұрын
By far the best I have seen on these channels. wish I had the knowledge you do!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thanks !
@deanchapple1
@deanchapple1 Жыл бұрын
Your knowledge is great and your pipe work is awesome!! Thank you for doing the video!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@timhancock6626
@timhancock6626 2 жыл бұрын
Another factor that occurs to me is that it is vital that instructions are left as to how the system works, and how it should be maintained. Many service engineers do not come across these systems and will not know where to start. It's not " yer average" install. It's far better than that and it needs protecting and maintaining properly for all the right reasons.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I leave wiring schematics with the boiler manual.
@stevel5504
@stevel5504 2 жыл бұрын
Another quality job with an in-depth explanation 👏
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@jbucklando1589
@jbucklando1589 Жыл бұрын
I guessed 29kw. So close. I install ATAG boilers with their own DHWP valves. Thinking of giving intergas a go. Great job on the install
@daljitsingh549
@daljitsingh549 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, very impressed, I love to learn from others and need to maybe think about my future set ups. 👍🙏🏼 keep the videos coming. Thanks
@jeardley85
@jeardley85 2 жыл бұрын
Fair play another cracking video! Not duprised by boiler size or cylinder size only because I've recently done the Kimbo hydronics course and he was singing the praises of HWPR... I'm looking forward to installing one!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Kimbo's course is soo entertaining I want to do it again just for the laughs!
@snips73
@snips73 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a brilliant video, I’m buying an large old Georgian house that needs some work and CH costs have been a huge concern. But this is very useful.
@caffeineisking8132
@caffeineisking8132 2 жыл бұрын
At that age ch bills are the least of your problems place will be rotten top to bottom
@alanwoods4023
@alanwoods4023 Жыл бұрын
I thought exactly that but 30kw boiler and 300 litre cylinder. It’s amazing how many properties have oversized boilers and undersized rads & pipework
@bruceboucher2134
@bruceboucher2134 Жыл бұрын
I love this guy, even were he to be wrong, he would make it right. I put your video's on LinkedIn where I live and work
@mattsan70
@mattsan70 2 жыл бұрын
The owners must be pleased with your conversion. I bet their gas bill is cut in half now!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
maybe not half, but should be at least 20% less
@RushmoorFizzbomb
@RushmoorFizzbomb 2 жыл бұрын
Bet it’s not as cheap as my Biomass. How much at present prices to run annually?
@lesterjohnston8888
@lesterjohnston8888 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't see any low loss headers
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
@@lesterjohnston8888 No need for any
@simonpeggboard4004
@simonpeggboard4004 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in Esher for 10 years, lovely place. We had 1 boiler for 1500 Sq meters + 2 Swimming pools. It was a 250,000 BTU Oil boiler. Your pipework by the way is pure artistry.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thank you! Yes Esher is a great place.
@BillCarrIpswich
@BillCarrIpswich 2 жыл бұрын
Can I come and live with you? I doubt you'd even notice me...
@vince2lls511
@vince2lls511 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic workmanship .you don’t see a lot of people these days take pride in there work .when I win the lottery I will give you a call to replace my heating system .keep the good work up .great videos only found you yesterday.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
Welcome and thank you for your comment!
@conand1413
@conand1413 2 жыл бұрын
Just another piece of art work. The pipework the simplicity, the knowledge is just picasso. Any chance for a drawing of the old system and how u managed to alter all that pipework at different locations. Much appreciated
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
I will probably not draw it - too much work. I just mark pipes with a marker before I start and then skecth a quick layout on paper so that I know I do dot miss anything
@patrickwheeler2646
@patrickwheeler2646 2 жыл бұрын
Constantly bringing the big content SC 👍🏽
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Patrick!
@johndevlin980
@johndevlin980 2 жыл бұрын
Great work, always watching out for your videos, pipeworj is amazing mate
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@mhpservices1
@mhpservices1 Жыл бұрын
Close miss, i had it at 30 kw, hats off always a pleasure to watch your videos. many thanks.
@mjhmotorsport
@mjhmotorsport Жыл бұрын
Another great vid thanks very much for sharing!!
@plumberhosegood8296
@plumberhosegood8296 2 жыл бұрын
Great video mate. You answered a question I've been meaning to look up with regard to a 3 port priority valve on unvented. Recently installed an Atag on PDHW and their instructions say to add a two port as well as the 3 port diverter valve they supplied. It didn't make sense to me so I used a NO 2 port instead on the heating side. To my mind a 3 port diverter should satisfy the regulations. Nice to see it done in the real world.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
They are just covering themselves with that 2 port. I do not see a need for it.
@bryanporter3025
@bryanporter3025 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video top quality installation well done 👍
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@GypsyHunter232UK
@GypsyHunter232UK 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent..Your professional knowledge of ur craft is akin to a rocket scientist knowing his. Thank u for ur expert knowledge..
@mercyln6646
@mercyln6646 Жыл бұрын
🤔don't understand anything technical...but I just subscribed😁 Because you seem to know your stuff extremely well. I need people like you in my life!
@BogdanDumiter
@BogdanDumiter 2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered designing plans with a layer accumulating cylinder that does instant hot water through a plate heat exchanger that uses the heating hot water in the cylinder? One of these layered heating water cylinders is the Vaillant allSTOR and the instant hot water module is sold separately. P.S. Love the way you work and describe functionality.
@grahamhusk183
@grahamhusk183 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, your right traditional Y and S plan systems are out the window..... Will be interesting to see how the industry as a whole adjusts to the new regulations!?
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, a lot of people will struggle initally I guess. Finally people will have to install Vaillant with Vaillant VR centers. I could ever understand why people would stick Vaillant boilers on S plans, when thye have a great thought out PDHW system in place already. Ideal can do it the same way as I did in this video. Baxi ad few others will have to wake up and update the boilers too.
@chriswev
@chriswev 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a wizard!
@jacbisgood2221
@jacbisgood2221 2 жыл бұрын
This channel keeps getting better and better, good on you man! What was the coil rating on the cylinder?
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
90kW. Thanks for kind words.
@andrewriley4204
@andrewriley4204 2 жыл бұрын
Good work. Complete supporter of PDHW Systems 🙂 Don't understand why additional 2 Port Valves are required, other than crazy U.K Regs ! To my knowledge, it's only the UK that request them. I'm stopping to fit them on my PDHW jobs. Like your job, the Sensor and boiler etc will prevent overheating. Not to mention that permanently open motorised valves can fail due to mechanical faults
@mmettania
@mmettania 2 жыл бұрын
What a good surprise to see a house I saw before :) another masterpiece installation.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
When and why did you see that house Mikael?
@mmettania
@mmettania 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers Emeline worked in Esther for years.
@k20aa
@k20aa 2 жыл бұрын
You have got rid of so much crap out of that job well done 👍👍
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
yep. the rubbish removal guy seemed happy to take it all away too
@mollyfilms
@mollyfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing to see and watch the end result. You are an expert at this. Please move to North Devon, the local plumbers have just discovered indoor heating that doesn’t involve cow manure. We need you and the likes here desperately. Keep up the great work! Would love to see anything you do with renewables, such as SunAmp etc.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
More renewables coming soon! I would love to move out of London, just don’t know where yet :). Heating with cow manure must be zero carbon right?
@mollyfilms
@mollyfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Joking aside, take a trip to Devon? I used to live and work in London and know exactly how you feel. You wouldn’t regret moving out of London I feel. Here in Devon the demand for people like you is so high I cant get anyone to even turn up to quote. There really is very little knowledge amongst the plumbers locally re new technology, let alone someone who can actually do an installation like you can. Take a weekend off? I have a holiday let, anytime you want to stay and survey the area let me know.
@waynenixon729
@waynenixon729 2 жыл бұрын
Could we have pipe bending tutorials please. Offsets, Pass overs and semi passover. Your pipe work looks amazing and your system installs seem to be designed for maximum efficiency 👍 Would you go through how you go about laying out your pipe work please.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
OK, I may do video about it. I actually do a quick sketch of the layout before starting the work
@dglcomputers1498
@dglcomputers1498 2 жыл бұрын
The boiler in our cabin at Center Parcs was a combi but wired up like a conventional boiler, found that out when I turned off the central heating (as we did not need it) and no hot water! Was a Worcester of some description I believe.
@scottmurphy889
@scottmurphy889 2 жыл бұрын
great job looks very well 👍
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@toecutter6968
@toecutter6968 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. It’s surprising how many boilers are oversized. I’m often surprised how small boilers actually need to be when sized properly. You are a credit to the trade 👍🏻
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
it is a constant battle to explain to clients that they onlt need 12kW or 18kW boilers.
@dorsetengineering
@dorsetengineering 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers our old single glazed end of terrace still has an 11kW baxi back boiler. Heat loss calcs I’ve done for an ashp install says I need 6.8 when it’s -3 outside. Amazing how little you need.
@richarddicktaylor219
@richarddicktaylor219 2 жыл бұрын
If you could only (as a side business) set up a training school the whole country would be better off. Our 2020 London plumbers thought they could get away without lagging the pipes, they also didn't use the right clips to support the pipes (several were folded sandpaper screwed around the pipe!!). Post lockdown I had to remove all the oversize skirting boards, remake them as they started to fail after 6 months, then lag all the pipes & instal supports every 1.5m. Your channel is a great showcase of thoughtful professionalism, something that seems very rare today.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
there is a training school already - check Heat Geek
@Simon-gk9ug
@Simon-gk9ug 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid and information on thought process/know-how. Pipe work serblime!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@al-azimahmed1188
@al-azimahmed1188 2 жыл бұрын
Man your knowledge makes me feel like an apprentice again lol, I love your videos and your installs. I thought you would of at least fitted two boilers. Great video thanks.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 2 x 18kW was also an option but the client went for simplicity instead. Fewer pumps, no header needed and higher efficiency
@al-azimahmed1188
@al-azimahmed1188 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers thanks again for the great video, did you study building services engineering??? You know so much lol
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
@@al-azimahmed1188 no, I have no formal education mate. At least not in engineering.
@al-azimahmed1188
@al-azimahmed1188 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers well sir my hat goes off to you and you are an inspiration to become as knowledgeable as you you have become. Waiting for your next video, keep it up man 100%
@ram64man
@ram64man 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful pipe work mate
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@markcollins457
@markcollins457 2 жыл бұрын
My first thought would be (2) boilers 1 for perimeter heating 1 for interior zones. that said the zones can be oriented north and south. my thinking on perimeter heating is here in the north east US you can have a buffer for the low Temps and that boiler can have controls for out door temperature reset 1 to 1:5 loop temp. based on out door temp and wind chill. Our weather in the NE can be extremely cold and windy. the interior boiler can handle the domestic hot water and lower interior loads.
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, a real pleasure to watch a competent professional at work. There are not many about. That original install was a real lash up. My guesses were 32KW boiler and 250 Litre unvented cylinder (but did not know how many occupants).😉 It would be good if Intergas offered a PHW diverter option in the boiler (like Viessmann) keep the wiring and plumbing simpler. Nice house too - are the owners inclined to ‘up radiator’? You have not only reduced their gas/electric consumption but also their annual servicing costs as well as dramatically reducing points or ‘nodes of failure’. Excellent - a bit of heating design porn.😉
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
only 2 rads will be upgraded for now. The cost of those cast irons is crazy. Also is the wieght. The one we will upgrade is around 300kg and costs £1,600 to supply only.
@lestc8579
@lestc8579 2 жыл бұрын
It's like going back 25 plus years ago when we use to wire up pdhw , who would of thought it would make a comeback
@geoffwoodgate7450
@geoffwoodgate7450 2 жыл бұрын
Just had a system installed with weather compensation. No unit required outside. Thermostat looks up the weather on the internet. Vaillant boiler.
@Myze0715
@Myze0715 2 жыл бұрын
Would like to be your apprentice! Great work and thank you for sharing your knowledge!
@rondo122
@rondo122 2 жыл бұрын
great video!
@Blagger3000
@Blagger3000 2 жыл бұрын
It's a thing of effiency and beauty.
@alexandernewnham7860
@alexandernewnham7860 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@IanFarquharson2
@IanFarquharson2 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job repairing the roof. Most folk would have to get the roofers in.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
yes, I do get roofers in as well. This one was just a simple one.
@jockster5525
@jockster5525 2 жыл бұрын
Good job.thanks for your efforts and sharing your experience ..I guessed that you'd fit a combination boiler.. around 35 kw I thought ..
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
combi for a 3 bathroom house is a really really bad idea ;)
@jockster5525
@jockster5525 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers absolutely . I would of fitted a new mains pressure cylinder too obviously . Secondary circuit etc .
@TeeTee-zm2re
@TeeTee-zm2re 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers why?
@kevinschoales844
@kevinschoales844 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic neat pipework!! Shame it has to be hidden with lagging. Great job again. Interested to know how there comfort levels are and energy consumption compares.
@hypojames
@hypojames 2 жыл бұрын
Thats superb
@kiskokisko
@kiskokisko 2 жыл бұрын
my guess was one 30kw boiler. a lot of the installs i do now are sized for the hot water tank and not the house. 115 000 btu is the smallest we install for recovery on the domestic hot water. beautiful install! i should try bending on one of my next jobs.
@JasperJanssen
@JasperJanssen 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, same is true here in Netherlands. If you have a bathtub you want CW3 or better and you rarely need any more for the heating.
@SurreyAlan
@SurreyAlan 2 жыл бұрын
As my 2 bed surrey bungalow with reasonable insulation has an 18 kW boiler amazed this massive poorly insulated surrey pile manages with 24 even more so with the poor radiators and what must be a massive heat loss though that huge hall skylightand what appears to be an uninsulated loft. Great to see those joints, all should use them, they may be pricier but our roof was set on fire by our engineer using end feed (Surrey Fire Brigade were great, put it out and stackedall the tiles so minimal damage) and a few National Trust properties have been destroyed.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Your 2 bed bungalow could probably be enough with 5kw though
@geoffwoodgate7450
@geoffwoodgate7450 2 жыл бұрын
I have had this type of hot water system for 20 years. First one was Viessman. Now Vaillant.
@michaelh5722
@michaelh5722 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy the videos. I’m wondering what the advantages of hot water storage vs. a tankless hot water system are? (In general)
@scottpeters8142
@scottpeters8142 2 жыл бұрын
I spoke to a g3 assessor that said wiring the power to the boiler through the cylinder high limit is the 'preffered' method as there is a small but still possible chance that in time, a fault with the valve body or synchron motor can prevent the valve from fully closing, so an overheat fault will cut the source. Great video and install as usual!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
this is the case here - high limit will turn the boiler off when activated.
@garyhawkins9246
@garyhawkins9246 2 жыл бұрын
That was what I was thinking, our engineers were putting a 2 port on the cylinder aswell as a worcester internal Diverter with cylinder stat and limit controlling the 2 port and the NTC controlling the Boiler on Hot Water Priority, apart from being over the top it also caused an issue that if the cylinder stat was turned down lower than the HW setting on the Boiler then the Boiler would try to run against a closed circuit and eventually over heat, plus no CH. I have since removed the 2 port, disregarded the cylinder stat and wired the limit stat to cut the power to the Boiler. I like your install, a lot of guys would have fitted 2 boilers on a low loss header without realising that it would reduce efficiency. Great Channel, keep up the good work. The standard in our industry needs to improve.
@hvacdesignsolutions
@hvacdesignsolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Must be great having all that space to work in, for a change.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, wish all jobs had that much space
@stevekennedy8581
@stevekennedy8581 2 жыл бұрын
Superb pipework , 12mm plywood backboard? , you are credit to the industry , did you agree a price with the customer first? , I learned the hard way never start a job before contract signed , cheers Steve
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
18mm ply. Yes price work.
@Brijoolz
@Brijoolz 2 жыл бұрын
Well thought out and a very neat job.Shame more people don't have the expertise to truly consider the u values of the properties they install into.Going big is not always best. The lazy man's option.
@pumpkinhead456
@pumpkinhead456 2 жыл бұрын
I wish someone had told my boiler fitter that... although interestingly his advice came from the Vaillant rep, so maybe the whole industry needs a few lessons!
@Brijoolz
@Brijoolz 2 жыл бұрын
@@pumpkinhead456 I’m still trying to educate people about weather compensation. I remember ripping out old compensator controls 30 years ago that were probably 30 years old at the time. But I’m still asked “ is there a time switch or a thermostat?” It’s a hard shift.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, sadly big part of manufacturers do not understand their own products or even worse they sell products not fit for current market and regulations
@Traumahawk007
@Traumahawk007 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic install. Could you make use of the flue recovery system on the boiler by passing the cold mains through it into the cylinder
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, there is another Intgeras that has that build in. You have to use it as a combi though
@Lutonman2010
@Lutonman2010 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t that far out on the kw. I guessed about 24. But I didn’t guess that you would do the hot water like that. Another quality install. Really lovely work. Not just in terms of the actual install, but the thought process behind it and the attention to detail of the system design. 👍🏻👍🏻 Great point at the end about 55c flow going forward and how it’s gonna effect dhw. I bet a lot of manufacturers are scrambling right now to bring out boilers that can accept separated ch/dhw switched lives with different flow temps for both. Hard to see how we are going to achieve that in the short term using a lot of the current heat only boilers.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
24kW would be a little too small due to undersized rads, so at -3 the boiler will run at lower efficiency due to high flow temp. 27kW was about the smallest I could get away with here.
@fanyeros123
@fanyeros123 6 ай бұрын
Amazing
@kasparbradshaw8592
@kasparbradshaw8592 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and nice thorough work. In regards to running the heating system at 55deg could this still be controlled by S plan providing that both valves are not allowed to open at the same time? The joule Samsung heat pump uses 2 port valves to control the system. I agree with you though that the 3 port diverted valve is the neatest option. Are there any air source heat pumps which you like?
@effervescence5664
@effervescence5664 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason I can think of to have the separate system would have been if at some point the towel rails were off the hot water and not the primaries back in the day and they didn't want to risk galvanic corrosion. 8 mins in I think I'd be on two 35kw or one 70kw. At that size it would be over the limit and need automatic fill and be classed as a commercial installation though. Edit: So it would seem the towel rails were configured like that at some point, it's a shame to see an old set up like that though well thought out at the time massively over sized for today's standards, though modulation wasn't common place in domestic until Combi's post Y2K. This is why heat loss calcs are so important, or if you over size a system that it has the ability to modulate right the way down. Gorgeous pipework, and your control setups are the same as what we used to do for Viessmann and now Vaillant system boilers. It's just more cost efficient.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thank you. I do not like to oversize boilers for no resons, as in this case it would mean 2 boilers instead of 1. Other companies quoted for 40 and 50kW - that is why I think they did not get the job, as I was the only one to actaully calcuate the heat loss.
@effervescence5664
@effervescence5664 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers I could understand over sizing if there are plans in the near future to extend but we all should be doing heat loss calcs before submitting prices anyway. Especially with the new Part L coming into play and the subsequent fines related to poor design and controls. That said if that installation was in a more remote area and slightly larger, our customers would generally prefer 2 smaller boilers so the system has redundancy to a certain degree. All things that should be taken into account anyway and discussed with a customer to meet their needs and expectations.
@anthonyoconnell9389
@anthonyoconnell9389 Жыл бұрын
Great job wow 🥃☘️💚👍
@timhancock6626
@timhancock6626 2 жыл бұрын
The usual reason for finding a rogue radiator piped up to hot water goes back to the days of solid fuel when the rad was used as a heat sink before the days of thermostats. That's just a guess, but it's my guess😁
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
good guees actaully. They were called heat sink rads. The one in the cellar could have been a heat sink, do not think one in the cloack room was though.
@capraniplumbingandheating
@capraniplumbingandheating 2 жыл бұрын
Top video 👊🔥
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
thank you ;)
@karl212
@karl212 2 жыл бұрын
Your a genius in the plumbing industry ...you really need to get yourself an apprentice and past your knowledge on ! Don't let it go to waste ...👍
@samposton9101
@samposton9101 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely install. Far to neat to be hidden away 😂
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
ahhh, what can you do, at least it now lives on youtube
@samposton9101
@samposton9101 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers yes very true 👍🏻
@tomearnshaw8532
@tomearnshaw8532 2 жыл бұрын
Cracking vid. 👍👍
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@adamstephens7915
@adamstephens7915 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! How many radiators on that system? I have a customer that has been quoted for a 50kw system boiler to supply 30 radiators and a 200ltr unvented cylinder. 50kw seems insanely high to me! Not been to the job yet
@LabRat6619
@LabRat6619 2 жыл бұрын
Surely one of those new fangled heat pumps would have been a good replacement 🤣
@philipbrown2628
@philipbrown2628 2 жыл бұрын
I take my hat off to you , I wouldn't know where to start !
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
I also get overwhlemed at some jobs. Just take it one item at the time and all will fall into place.
@edc1569
@edc1569 2 жыл бұрын
Do like your crusade for weather compensation, frustrates me that so few plumbers seem to get why it matters when gas is 9p a unit plus now.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Is it 9p already? Jesus that is expensive
@joshuamatheron1
@joshuamatheron1 2 жыл бұрын
Magnificent house. Great work as always
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@paulcassidy8130
@paulcassidy8130 Жыл бұрын
This set-up looks remarkably like my house (370m2, up to 500 years old in parts): 3 boilers, 3 heat zones, cylinder, masses of relays, looks incredibly complicated and costs a fortune to run; installed about 25 years ago. I've suspected for some time it's in need of modernisation & rationalisation. After watching your video I'm even more sure of that. Finding someone with your skills to design and implement is the challenge.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
google 'heat geek elite' installers
@davidfellowes1628
@davidfellowes1628 Жыл бұрын
I have a similarity large property to upgrade so this video was very relevant. In my case the plumbing needs renewal throughout, plus new underfloor heating on the ground floor. However I do have a 24.85kWp ground solar + 2xPowerwalls so energy is cheap and abundant. In such a case would you go for central system or just feed a cold water line to each of the four bathrooms and use Heat batteries at each local. Increase in equipment costs but saving in pipework and complexity? Heating to radiators is from a biomass that could be retained or removed. Grateful for your thoughts.
@gerardlong5675
@gerardlong5675 2 жыл бұрын
Great job and very interesting watch 👍 Did you have any balancing issues working with the boiler pump only?
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Balancing makes no difference with boiler or external pump though. As long as the pump can pump enough water at a given head you are fine.
@RiouInsuiko
@RiouInsuiko Жыл бұрын
Enjoying how different and seemingly intricate your heating installations are over in the UK/EU. The emphasis on efficiency contrasts a fair bit from typical installations around here. It depends on the age of the construction but most homes around here have hot water baseboard heat and typically we have 80-90C water running through those. Do homes there not get dramatically cold days with high wind? I'd be curious to see how such (from my perspective anyway) lukewarm water would be able to handle -20c with wind chills. I'm not familiar with where you are though so maybe the weather never really gets there.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
Yes, most US installations that I have seen have been crazy inefficient, even worse than UK. PIpework does not get lagged eihter. That is what cheap energy does to the industry. UK only gets around -3C in the winter, but EU countries get -20 or -30 and can also run on low temperature heating no problem.
@singlendhot8628
@singlendhot8628 2 жыл бұрын
What a mess to inherit! Great work but I'm really surprised you didn't go with a Viessmann - the higher end boilers use a cylinder thermostat input direct from the factory! Really hoping to see an episode with you installing German tech someday!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
I just can’t get on with Viessmann. Too complicated for me and not a good match for this job for a number of reasons.
@ebebop
@ebebop 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t agree more I hate Viessmann boilers as much as I’m aware there are decent.
@timhancock6626
@timhancock6626 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't see the old system as a mess. Something similar is/was common in Elderly Persons Units and other communal commercial applications, but that one was well over 20 years old and ripe for a reworking. Using boilers in cascade enables you to service and repair faulty boilers and replace pumps without putting the system out of use. If it took a few days to source spares it wasn't critical as a base service was maintained in the meantime. Sometimes that is a lifesaver, and a reputation saver for the heating engineer concerned. You soon hear if people are cold !😱
@tonydaddario4706
@tonydaddario4706 2 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual, I'd have thought given the size, age and cleanliness of CH system it might've been a candidate for plate separation?
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers 2 жыл бұрын
yes, I would separate If I was installing Viessmann. One of the resons Intgeras was chosen, as it can run on mud.
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrbanPlumbers 🤣👍
@steveyboyXRP
@steveyboyXRP 2 жыл бұрын
nice job have done similar
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