How Mario Changed from Melee, Brawl to Project M: From Mid, Terrible, to AMAZING

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How Mario Changed from Melee, Brawl to Project M: From Mid, Terrible, to AMAZING

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Mario has been Mid Tier, Low Tier, and good enough to win a super major in Project Plus... Here's the story of Mario from Melee, Brawl and PM.
This is a Deluxe Video of the Mario video I did in the past. This time with my newer style/editing.
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@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Yo thank you guys for 7k Subscribers! I'm blushing right now low key. You guys mean a lot to me! Thanks 🙌😊

@jalilfrancois7700 Жыл бұрын

Your welcome man

@Flare8295 Жыл бұрын

It's our pleasure

@noisepollution4473 Жыл бұрын

I will never not find it funny that the Brawl meta revolved around a character named Meta Knight. Like, it's in the name. He's a knight, and he's meta.

@Blu_color2901 Жыл бұрын

The second coming of asumsaus

@bold3166 Жыл бұрын

Brawl version of asumsaus

@kawee1 Жыл бұрын

@@bold3166 project m*

@bold3166 Жыл бұрын

@@kawee1 And that too

@mxiu6228 Жыл бұрын

@SpoonGod Жыл бұрын

High praise fr

@OrangeToadGamer Жыл бұрын

I love how you cover these different versions of *Mario* it's cool to see all their strengths and weaknesses *also using Juice Archipelago from Sonic Lost World as background music was a nice touch*

@jackclifton5434 Жыл бұрын

For those who don’t know and are interested, Mario is a combo character in ultimate and smash 4 too but his combos tend to be more vertical or centered around up air. Also he has almost no lag on any of his moves, he can just always have hitboxes out. He’s a borderline high/top tier in both games, and just finished 3rd at the Ludwig Smash Invitational.

@21Handguns Жыл бұрын

funny enough,in sm4sh most his combos were dependent on either up throw,or a shit ton of up tilts. Up air was only used to finish the combo,not start it

@jmurray1110 Жыл бұрын

Well yo sur if turn around rage up B I can only imagine the frustration smash 4 Mario’s had when they learned up tilt was basically pointless for combos in ultimate (though of course the universal landing lag changes plus his Fair probably helped

@jimfitzgerald2289 9 ай бұрын

Lol yeah I noticed when playing Smash 4, Mario was too fast and unstoppable. None of the CPUs had a chance against me on level 9. Such a big upgrade from Brawl.

@jimfitzgerald2289 9 ай бұрын

Lol yeah I noticed when playing Smash 4, Mario was too fast and unstoppable. None of the CPUs had a chance against me on level 9. Such a big upgrade from Brawl.

@dreadedpatrick9876 Жыл бұрын

Other than falcon, Mario/Doc have been my most played characters in both Melee and PM/P+, and i've always said if Mario and Doc from Melee merged into one comprehensive character mainly taking from the pros of their kits, there would be a real chance that he could be viable in tournaments, and PM/P+ proved me right

@Monhamd1000 Жыл бұрын

Mario is the master of F O R W A R D A E R I A L

@Flare8295 Жыл бұрын

No thanks to Aplharad

@hamzaahmed652 Жыл бұрын

personally I want to see how Zelda and Sheik have changed over the series

@duckonquack6404 Жыл бұрын

some of my favorite characters in the series, yes. Make it happen.

@ninten754 Жыл бұрын

This video is amazing as a Mario player, I just found this channel through this video (I would love to see you cover SSB4 and SSBU Mario tho)

@creative_commander4973 Жыл бұрын

Just a note for anyone curious, landing lag for aerials is mostly negligible in smash 64, as canceling results in 0 landing lag for any aerial. Mario’s down air can combo into an up air or up tilt on shield or even just into them normally. And depending on the reaction time, I think up smash can be a mixup also.

@mandalorianhunter1 Жыл бұрын

Glad they made Mario a better character in 4 and ultimate. He is still good in 64. Sad about Brawl Mario because his cape techniques were so effective and cool.

@cloudshines812 Жыл бұрын

I actually still play Brawl Mario alongside with Brawl Sonic seeing how they’re low but have insane combo game potential

@mandalorianhunter1 Жыл бұрын

@@cloudshines812 they don't really have insane combo potential due to hitstun canceling. I do love Brawl Sonic, he is just fun and takes skill. Sonic is mid while Mario is bottom. Though I think Sonic is better then most people give him credit for.

@cloudshines812 Жыл бұрын

@@mandalorianhunter1 Fair enough. Sonic is a ton of fun in each entry if you play him agressively. I actually always surprise my friends by taking the most controversial character and kick ass

@mandalorianhunter1 Жыл бұрын

@@cloudshines812 I know, I always try ways to play with him without relying on Spin Dash

@gomezfreshh9897 Жыл бұрын

The smash player A Rookie takes Mario to a high level and has made sick combos

@TheMe9595 Жыл бұрын

I think ssbb mario would have been really cool if they integrated fludd more into the moveset. Maybe make the up b the rocket jump, the side special the turbo nozzle. Or even give him the ability to swap between them. He would have been such a different character though and I understand why they wouldn't have wanted to make as big of changes for such an iconic character

@lagaffe91 Жыл бұрын

Feel like the editing has changed. That's better ! (Also new thumbnail!) Honest, and great content!

@supermariojasiah7487 Жыл бұрын

Who misses Mario’s original down air?

@blocks4857 Жыл бұрын

Why though? The new one is a great finisher while the old one is a lackluster combo tool

@supermariojasiah7487 Жыл бұрын

@@blocks4857 I actually liked his down air from Melee

@KoopaSMR2 13 күн бұрын

@@supermariojasiah7487Popular opinion, but his down air from brawl to ultimate is better… fits him better.

@jalilfrancois7700 Жыл бұрын

Amazing work with the video back in brawl I main Mario and I didn’t know why he was trash I watched some videos but they didn’t give a lot of information until your video thanks man and keep up the good work.

@__Ice Жыл бұрын

This channel is so underrated keep up the great content dude

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Yo, that means a lot. Thank you for the kind words!

@Slykie Жыл бұрын

Bro the “it’s kinda cute” is killing me ngl 😂. Good vid tho I like ur stuff

@mememasterm Жыл бұрын

Smash 4 mario had to be peak he won an evo 🤯

@Joel-wr8dr Жыл бұрын

I love Mario in every super smash bros game and some day I can play as Mario in super smash bros project m and this video is good and Mario is one of the best characters in every super smash bros games

@LLotad Жыл бұрын

This video came out at the perfect time I’ve been using Mario as a mid tier secondary and been watching melee Mario vids lately

@Evixyn Жыл бұрын

Plus / M Mario is a great and I do enjoy the official changed Mario has received in for Wii U and Switch.

@yobobby9 Жыл бұрын

Eeehhv you make it a point to say that smash 4/ult mario is different design wise…. I think you should have included 4+ult he still has those other combo routes but his ladder combos/juggling is more central. Neutral is similar too.

@yobobby9 Жыл бұрын

Hes very similar imo

@glauciarochelle 7 ай бұрын

mario: are you ready doc dr mario: i ready mario: fusion dr mario: fusion mario: ha dr mario: ha

@01ludo Жыл бұрын

u deserve much more subs, amazing content and editing

@brainlevelzero301 Жыл бұрын

Nice.

@PopcornBunni 8 ай бұрын

Another big difference between Doc and Mario in Melee you didn't mention: Doc's back air is actually among only a few moves he has that is /weaker/ than Mario's, but compensates its lower damage and knockback growth with higher base knockback, better range, and a nasty 23 degree semispike knockback angle making it one of the best edgeguarding and gimping tools in the game. Likewise, though not huge given the myriad other problems he has in brawl, it might be worth mentioning he lost the ability to cancel his up-B into a wall jump in Brawl, further weakening his recovery options alongside the loss of Tornado. Couple this with the special fall landing lag glitch that happens in Brawl when grabbing the ledge out of an Up-B, and him having one of the worst special landing lag in the cast making his options to get back on stage genuinely horrendous.

@darquezze306 Жыл бұрын

Hey Honest Content. I feel like the sound mixing in your videos could be a bit better. Which is basically I find the music a bit too loud when I try to listen to your voice. But honestly love how your presentation and writing quality have increased overtime. Keep up the great work!

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know, my bad.

@darquezze306 Жыл бұрын

@@ZachHonest hey man no worries. This is just advice from someone who really enjoys what you do. You can only grow from here!

@number01dude99 Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how you're not so much bigger, some of the best video essays about smash. keep up the great work I love the videos

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@baileyayyy5085 Жыл бұрын

"mario was purposefully designed to be similar to shotos, weather intentional or not" 🤔

@theARDISAN Жыл бұрын

Yeah lmao

@angelus2809 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, this was very insightful to see, never really dug around too much of Brawl's meta and I was actually really surprised to see just.. How much Mario sunk, given I've only ever played Brawl casually. Honestly hope one day you could maybe cover some stuff about Luigi, seeing him so low in PM makes me wonder what happened to him, ahah.

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

I have a video on my channel on Luigi actually

@angelus2809 Жыл бұрын

@@ZachHonest Oh heck, will look that up then!

@articleconflicted Жыл бұрын

Did you know that doc’s nair gets stronger the longer it stays out?

@SonicRobloxDegenerates Жыл бұрын

Mario in smash (Background Music: Sonic Lost World)

@nathanielamoah1127 5 ай бұрын

Hot take: I like the Mario tornado when it was his down special.

@mikerodrimirez2653 Жыл бұрын

They not only nerf Mario in the transition to Brawl but also his voice. He's not been the same since then.

@EvanCespedes 11 ай бұрын

mario spin attack is cool though

@sbsb7352 Жыл бұрын

another banger, never clicked on a video so fast

@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 Жыл бұрын

how is mario different in smash 4 and ult compared to previous games + pm?

@blocks4857 Жыл бұрын

+Removal of Meteor Cancelling But the big buffs were giving him his 64 up air. Increased mobility (better jumps and air speed).

@UltraNurture Жыл бұрын

Marios forward air in PM is insane!

@joseringgold6253 4 ай бұрын

F O R W A R D A E R I A L

@UltraNurture 4 ай бұрын

@@joseringgold6253 lol classic line

@Liam-iv7wk Жыл бұрын

Mario has always been my main

@ezramoore9472 Жыл бұрын

Would love this for Samus

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

there already is a Samus video on the channel, just letting you know. Melee Samus to PM Samus

@ThatGuyWhoLovesMeTV Жыл бұрын

Melee Mario looks so cute

@joesyearbook5586 Жыл бұрын

Do how Kirby was amazing in Smash 64, Terrible in Melee, and how he changed in Project M.

@keitaowl Жыл бұрын

Yo a great idea for a video. Good job m8

@krypto_7155 Жыл бұрын

nice video honest content, i have one thing though, could you turn the music down because it is kinda hard to hear your voice

@ERRORDownBad Жыл бұрын

Forward aerial

@KonaKonaKaabisteru Жыл бұрын

Loving these analyses as always HC- just wondering what type of PM-mods are you using in your videos? Really liking ones featuring Smash 4/Ultimate-esque "attack trails".

@vibemasterkorosu2469 Жыл бұрын

Project M Remix. You should play it now.

@absolutelynathan2453 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you didn't mention mario's double up b wall jump tech in the recovery section of this video when comparing to doc

@sahilhossain8204 Жыл бұрын

Lore of How Mario Changed from Melee, Brawl to Project M: From Mid, Terrible, to AMAZING momentum 100

@nikoproductions123 Жыл бұрын

would love to see luigi anytime soon.

@yoshiboi2982 Жыл бұрын

My BOI GOT DUMMY BUFFED AND HE WAS SO Buffed HE IS A TIER Highest i think that PM Mario may have a chance against characters like sonic or meta knight

@juevo2810 Жыл бұрын

really good content here 👏🏼

@Itz_Kwame Жыл бұрын

Oh look he uploaded

@E-Brightvoid Жыл бұрын

sad Luigi noises

@jimfitzgerald2289 9 ай бұрын

Melee Mario has my favorite moveset Brawl Mario has my favorite model and alts Smash 4 Mario has my favorite playstyle Guess I gotta appreciate what each Smash has. Smash 64 and Ultimate don't have anything unique about Mario which is why I didn't list them. My ideal Mario is Smash 4's playstyle combined with Melee's Down Air and Down B along with Brawl's model as a whole. And by playstyle I mean Mario's combos and techniques he has in Smash 4 that got him A Tier.

@ZachHonest 9 ай бұрын

Check out the ranked video I did on Mario, I talk about every version of the character!

@C-531 Жыл бұрын

mario was actually the Fourth best character in project and 3.0 also being rank higher than all the high tiers like fox sonic etc but was clearly not better than Mewtwo pit diddy kong and Lucas

@bigchungus7870 11 ай бұрын

3:57 Woaghhlg

@blocks4857 Жыл бұрын

Doc is better than Mario in melee is because they forgot to make him slow like smash 4 and ultimate

@SonicTheCutehog Жыл бұрын

Mario should be an average character competitively. He's supposed to be an all-arounder that teaches the basics of Smash to beginners.

@SuperSneedSwag Жыл бұрын

Mario is pretty cute

@randytyson Жыл бұрын

Be nice if the next smash game had a complete revamp moveset. Mario was my main til smash4 and move on to newer characters. I sometimes miss playing as the nintendo shoto of the mario series

@pkmngamer1236 Жыл бұрын

Interesting use of the Sonic Lost World Beach theme instead of a Mario theme. It's funny because Lost World is basically a Mario game in all but character

@ImCookieSparx Жыл бұрын

Lol Two NY-ers fighting it off. I love NY smash.

@TheUltraBall8675 Жыл бұрын

I'm a mario main in smash bros ultimate, and it pains me to see brawl mario in bottom tier. Even my other main, kirby, who consistently is one of the worst characters in smash bros (Except 64) is higher tier than mario in brawl. Thankfully after brawl, mario got a large revision and has become much better in smash 4 and ultimate.

@SiMgUrL1721 10 ай бұрын

Well. Mario was never really good all that much in the ability department to even remotely begin with. Especially since he's even pretty close to actually being a Low Tier character in both Smash 64 and Melee if he ends up dropping a few spots lower. Remember that the only reason why Luigi has mostly always shined in the ability department is because that Sakurai has made several attempts to pull him out of Mario's shadow as time went on. Since Mario has always been the much more famous one, he really doesn't need to shine in the ability department nearly as much (since we already have Luigi for that one). LOL Just think that they both outshine each other in different areas. I think that the only reason why Mario was immensely buffed in Smash 4 was because that Sakurai finally realized on how he was severely nerfed pretty badly in Brawl back then.

@danramirez8553 Жыл бұрын

I thought that fox was the most balanced character.

@billyboleson2830 Жыл бұрын

Lol

@yenziiko6279 Жыл бұрын

sick

@squallleonhart9387 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they were to ever drop Dr. Mario and make him a skin would they give Mario back Tornado as a Down B, then again it might feel weird to some that Dr. Mario isn’t his own character anymore, Melee really did grandfather lots of characters into the series, how many would actually miss FLUDD if he was removed?

@dalethompson6853 Жыл бұрын

Id miss fludd. To me the funny gimp water is better than another recovery tool even if it would help his viability

@theARDISAN Жыл бұрын

Id miss FLUDD.

@blocks4857 Жыл бұрын

Every Mario main

@SGJetPro Жыл бұрын

Upb wall jump cancel from melee

@KIRB881 7 ай бұрын

Is P+ Mario better than Ultimate and 4 Mario?

@Disco_Man_Doopop_Doubly Жыл бұрын

『 someone let a brother know what this song is at 11:23 ? 』

@blocks4857 Жыл бұрын

Brawl Mario was bad because he had his melee stats

@Ghostguy693 Жыл бұрын

8:42 F

@EvanCespedes 11 ай бұрын

no no no i want mario to be better in smash bros legacy xp

@Khan-bq8qc Жыл бұрын

You should do one on Meta Knight

@zachywatcher2312 Жыл бұрын

yeah um... smash 64 has no landing lag...

@TiaturbinadescuidosHD4K Жыл бұрын

Good Voice u have 4 intros

@spaceace9103 Жыл бұрын

Already know this contents about to be honest

@pjboland254 10 ай бұрын

3:39 anybody know what this music is

@hydro3490 Жыл бұрын

what is the second song please

@lets.gobro. Жыл бұрын

Das crazy

@sonicphoenix7 Жыл бұрын

ooh

@visionary7021 Жыл бұрын

you should start reviewing music again

@_Gemkas_ Жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@csGX64 Жыл бұрын

As someone who used mario alot in smash 64 and melee, seeing brawl was a major disappointment lol

@heideknightgauntlets Жыл бұрын

lmao what did you mean cute in 5:01 and 5:41 ??

@justj7304 Жыл бұрын

this video is kinda cute

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Thanks lmao

@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 Жыл бұрын

music too loud

@toastywhiteboy7822 Жыл бұрын

What would you say is the worst designed character in PM and P+?

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

Every character in P+ is pretty balanced, but there is characters I hate fighting against, but I wouldn't shit on their design. I hate fighting Falcon, Sonic, ROB, Marth, Ike. I play Ness so I suck against really aggressive rushdown characters and range boys.

@toastywhiteboy7822 Жыл бұрын

@@ZachHonest I don’t doubt that they are all well put together, it’s just really hard to keep that level of objective quality though out all the characters. Some characters might have not been given as much love.

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

@@toastywhiteboy7822 P+ is really quality oriented. Trust me every character is given love in some way. Maybe puff if I had to say but most people are okay with her being the way she is. Pm doesn't even want to add new character cuz they know it can heavily change the balance, that's how quality oriented they are.