How Moneyball RUINED the Oakland A's
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Ай бұрынMoneyball was a beautiful thing that the Oakland Athletics front office executed to perfection throughout the 21st century. But as John Fisher’s tenure prolonged, Moneyball seemed to become less about winning with a low payroll and more about simply just having a low payroll.
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@timothybrown5999 Ай бұрын
The A’s version of moneyball will never win titles. Their player evaluation is fine, but when they discourage things like stolen bases and bunting they run into trouble against playoff caliber pitching. If I’m playing 3B I never have to worry about fielding a bunt and can take a couple steps back. Walks are great, but with a RISP and two outs, you need a hit. Their strategy gets them lots of regular season wins, but crumbles against great postseason pitching.
@BrianONEILL-qf2cs Ай бұрын
And Beane just shrugged it all off. He thought the postseason was an 'unfair' assessment, because the short-series format was 'random'. And yet, the teams they played in those 'random short series' just won, without whining about the format.'Oh, I wish we could have beaten them in a seven-game series'.
@wh2568 Ай бұрын
Nice analysis. The secret to "moneyball" is and always was developing your own players. There was a tiny window in which Oakland was using better stats to evaluate players, but if it didn't coincide with elite young talent emerging from their farm system, it wouldn't have meant a thing.
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Absolutely. And not enough credit is given to their elite development that came in the late 90s
@BrianONEILL-qf2cs Ай бұрын
The A's 'invented' Moneyball, never won a World Series with it, watched other teams take it farther than they could, and simply decided to consider the postseason failures as an 'inconvenience'. If you, at *some* point, don't get angry with incessant ALCS Game 5 losses, then you're a failure.
@thecatwrangler9448 29 күн бұрын
Well you’re acting as if the true inventor Beane not being a major part of other teams success with it
@justinarney3050 Ай бұрын
Went on to "enhance" his workout routines had me dying lol
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
#legalizeroids
@justinarney3050 Ай бұрын
@@InDepthBaseballYT eh roids got too many side effects. Now if they made something that made injuries go way down I would be very down with that.
@atthebridge 26 күн бұрын
'Moneyball' was always exaggerated. The main reason the As were good in the early noughts was that 3 days out of 5 they could send an ace pitcher to the mound. Acquiring Hudson, Mulder and Zito wasn't a product of Moneyball, it was mainly luck.
@JWD1992 28 күн бұрын
The Moneyball Movie: "The 2002 A's won 103 games because Scott Hatteberg walked and Chad Bradford threw weird!" MVP Miguel Tejada and CY Young winner Barry Zito, plus Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder: "We helped a little." Why don't more teams imitate the 2010-2014 "even-year" Giants? It's not like they bought those teams. Well, they did give Zito that big deal (ironically), but he was awful for them. And unless he also slugs, why would a hitter with a low average draw a ton of walks and have a high OBP? They're not going to pitch around him. Eddie Yost was the only guy I can think of who could consistently just walk despite not hitting for average or power.
@henrywallacesghost5883 Ай бұрын
Moneyball didn't "ruin" Oakland, but was a tactic Billy Beane had to use because ownership didn't want to spend money.
@jonathangasana Ай бұрын
Exactly! WTF the title of this video makes no sense
@taskdon769 Ай бұрын
In a way, it sort of has, Schott & Hofmann basically sold the team in 2005 because it looked like a good purchase for Fisher at the time. However the new owner will not just going to spend lots of money if the "moneyball" model works. Schott and Hofmann swindled Fisher.
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Ownerships abuse of the moneyball idea is how it ruined them
@mindgravybear2971 Ай бұрын
Yea and now gave boston the bright idea to do the same thing even though they have infinite money
@connormckenna1652 28 күн бұрын
Wtf!!
@stvinney Ай бұрын
It took awhile but Moneyball really changed baseball If you stopped following around 2004 and just got back into it today youd be overwhelmed by all the numbers Also still can't get used to watching power hitters bat leadoff or number 2 There were some things you didn't think would ever change because they didn't like a century
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
It really is crazy how fast it has changed
@CrabbyOldLady 26 күн бұрын
1:50 Mark McGwire "... went on to enhance his workout program..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@thecaveman3503 Ай бұрын
Well, technically, the ownership is why the A's were ruined. But, I await to see what you gotta say
@aaronsteindler3245 Ай бұрын
The problem with any Moneyball strategy is that even if it works initially, richer teams will eventually adopt the same system and do it better due to having more working capital.
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Exactly
@wvu05 Ай бұрын
To an extent. Moneyball at its core (ignoring the cheap owners) is trying to find market inefficiencies and exploiting them. There are always going to be ways that big market teams waste money or miss undervalued aspects of the game. You could argue that the market gets more and more efficient, but there are always gaps.
@mon3ycatt652 Ай бұрын
this is an amazing video man, love this format and storytelling please post more of these!!
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Really appreciate this my guy
@uncouthboy8028 11 күн бұрын
The goal of every front office should be to win the world series. Not increase valuation.
@ronpeacock9939 Ай бұрын
Sadly, they've also not raised the team payroll in nearly 20 years and their richest contract is still Chavez back in the mid-2000's... I think Fisher now is just looking to move.. just to move. Oakland fans supported the team while they tried but they haven't tried in 8 years or more now.
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
adjusting for inflation, the payroll is actually worse now than in the 2000s I believe
@ronpeacock9939 Ай бұрын
@@InDepthBaseballYT I just compare to what it was then.. vs what it is now.. and look at the rest of the league.. back then.. even the Yanks were just over 100M.. now, only 2 teams may not be.. and Oakland is still paying what they did back then.. ~50-70M for the team.. Oakland is paying less than what the Dodgers are actually giving to Ohtani...again.. they are no longer trying..
@stoozdee 28 күн бұрын
It’s STILL Chavez?! Wow.
@afrdy1 Ай бұрын
Really nice vid keep up the good work!!!!
@LordTeaboBaggins 5 күн бұрын
I have to point out- Billy Beane didn’t invent the Moneyball concept per se. Sandy Alderson and Walt Jocketty established its beginnings when they were GM and assistant GM in Oakland prior to Beane’s promotion EDIT: And if you really wanna go back, Branch Rickey ran a proto-Moneyball back when he was running the Brooklyn Dodgers and hired Allan Roth as a statistician
@2.0Chucky Ай бұрын
love this content bruh keep it up!
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Thank you man. It means a lot
@karlschlenzig6884 26 күн бұрын
Correction. Houston wasn't Moneyball on steroids. It was Moneyball with a garbage can😂
@PrimarySweeper13 Ай бұрын
I’ve been a life long A’s fan, and I will love them forever, but f*ck John Fisher
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Grew up in the bay area and making this video brought a lot of nostalgia back despite not being an A’s fan
@wiedep 28 күн бұрын
The movie was garbage and did a hatchet job on Art Howe, a class guy and solid baseball man.
@NotFadeAway522 Ай бұрын
Great video.
@thewkovacs316 Ай бұрын
not moneyball....john fisher
@stormthedesert1162 4 күн бұрын
Hypothetical statistics can't replace talent. Good players are always better than hypothetical analytics. When the As have been good over the last 20 years, it was with a core of good players they developed and were controllable. Yes moneyball can help support a core, but you cant build a team with it.
@InDepthBaseballYT 4 күн бұрын
Moneyball ideas are not hypothetical stats tho
@e93sports80 Ай бұрын
Just subbed
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Appreciate it my man
@theadam24 Ай бұрын
David Justice wasn’t a free agent signing.
@wraynephew6838 Ай бұрын
I was never a big fan of money ball. Too me it was all a gimmick. Once I saw the cheap Kansas city royals win a world series and make it to back to back world series then I knew A's were not all that special. A very good farm system but the A's lack long term vision. Look how Tampa Bay can remain competitive for over a decade and make world series appearances with one of the lowest pay rolls in baseball. There is something the Rays, Royals are doing correctly vs. the Oakland Athletics
@jonathangasana Ай бұрын
A gimmick???? WTF are you talking about? Every team has adopted this philosophy in one way or another from the Oakland A’s.
@wraynephew6838 Ай бұрын
@@jonathangasana ANd notice how the A's has not won the pennant once since money ball. Results matter. Yanks, Redsox, Astros Giants and even the Dodgers laugh at Oakland. Billy Beane even made fun of the Mets and guess what even the Mets won a pennant in that time. The A's have accomplished Jack S****
@kenw2225 Ай бұрын
The rays and royals copied the "gimmick". Lol wtf
@wraynephew6838 Ай бұрын
@@kenw2225 Answer me this Batman? why do those other teams have success where the Oakland A's have been failures for the past decade!? Maybe just maybe there is more to creating a competitive team then just sabermetrics or Money ball theory 🤔
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
The playoffs are a total crapshoot. In a sample size of 5-7 games anything can happen
@CurtisDavis-ok1eq 21 күн бұрын
How Strangelike!
@Domoguy13 Ай бұрын
Sadly the wait it is now (to some degree but at large) $$$$$$$$$$$ wins baseball. Edit:$$$$$$ and no cap ruins baseball as a competitive sport as far as WS go. Edit2: the Astros were cheating in 2017.
@thecaveman3503 Ай бұрын
1. Proof read before posting. 2. Yes the astros cheated. Get over it already ffs
@theman1412 29 күн бұрын
He didn’t mention 2017
@JWD1992 28 күн бұрын
As a Yankees fan, I have watched them spend tons of money this millennium only to get bounced by "poorer" teams in the playoffs. They have two World Series from 2000 on, but the first one was really more the result of what they had built pre-mega-deal era (not that they were poor then), largely by the great Gene Michael. The 2009 World Series relied on big contracts, but considering how many of the big contracts they gave out before and after were massive disappointments, it was a pathetic return on investment. The Dodgers seem like they are now trying their best to outdo the Yankees in this regard. Each year a new superstar, and still only one 60-game-fan-less-pandemic-season World Series to show for it. Always being bounced by "lesser" teams. The moral of the story? Money doesn't mean much if the organization doesn't know how to spend it wisely or properly utilize what they spent it on.
@aeromtb2468 Күн бұрын
need to spend money to win
@HandyMan657 Ай бұрын
Or. Just like any other team they have good seasons, and they have bad seasons.
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Theres reasons as to why each single season is good and bad
@Skaz1hiphop Ай бұрын
John Fisher is the person we hate! We love the A’s! At least get your main facts straight before you make a video like this. Clickbait inaccurate nothing burger. #goballers
@InDepthBaseballYT Ай бұрын
Were on the same side my guy