I specifically use Firefox because it's one of the last non-Chromium based browsers. Also Google is giving Firefox a bunch of money cause they need to keep them around as a cop-out to keep U.S. Anti-Trust regulators from investigating Google's control of the browser market share.

Remember Firefox? yes. I'm watching this in a firefox browser

The saddest part is that if you want to abandon ship, THERE'S NO MORE SHIPS ON THE SEA.

"Remember that fox browser?" That one I've been using since forever?

Sometimes I wish that firefox (and thunderbird) were run more like a traditional open source project where the community had a really big say in things.

As someone who has stuck with Firefox for more than a decade now (it started because FF was less resource hoggy which worked for my slower computers), and I can't really imagine changing. Thanks for exposing Mozilla though, this will just make me take steps to ensure my own privacy instead of counting on the browser to do it for me.

I'm a firefox user and I strip many of these features and change the settings. I can completely understand why some people leave Firefox for privacy reasons, but moving towards Chrome for that doesn't make sense. Moving to a more obscure privacy focused browser would make more sense. At the moment I'll happily move to a forked Firefox browser where I can still use the same extensions.

🦆 DuckDuckGo isn’t that innocent either.

I use Firefox. I started using it because Opera got rid of their best features like tab stacking and their email client, and switched to chromium. I continue to use Firefox because I do not wish for an internet where Google controls the entire presentation layer. I am okay with Firefox because they provide me the tools to turn off the bullshit, and make it a better experience for myself.

Up until about 5 years ago, FireFox had a neat feature where you could right-click a bookmark and one of the options was a text-box in which you could enter descriptions (which must've taken up an imperceptible amount of code). People were using this box to store their user-names and password hints so it could be brought up when using that bookmark. FireFox said they removed it because their telemetry said few people were using this feature. In reality, people using these text-boxes tended to be power-users who also blocked telemetry. 😖

I don't think anyone left Firefox for ideological reasons. If people hated Google so much they would not have abandoned Forefox for Google Chrome. Google just made a faster slicker browser and Firefox keeps finding ways to be slow after they do a new faster than ever revamp.

If google kills ad blocker on KZfaq we could see a landslide of users.

I'm really disappointed in Mozilla for the reasons described in this video. But I still use hardened Firefox because I just don't see any better alternatives. I would rather not use a chromium based browser.

The two primary reasons I still use Firefox are because I'm extremely distrustful of Google and as a result anything Chromium-based is suspect. Also, the ad blocking in Firefox is likely going to stay effective longer than anything Chromium-based. Yes, it's absolutely not perfect but I do take privacy measures that go beyond the stock setup.

I use firefox because google keeps threatening to break ad blocking plugins, and the fact they think its okay to say it at all makes it clear its not a place to stay, so a change had to be made. That leaves firefox as the next best option. Many of my IT friends did it for the same reason, at the same timeframe. It's not better, it's just not claiming its going to get worse. This is just where we are in the browser space now, sadly. Can't honestly say I have ever seen a website not work on firefox though, wtf web devs lol

What speed are you missing by using firefox? If there is a difference? it must be miliseconds because I don't notice any issues with the speed of Firefox. Why did you say you can't log in with your google account and sync firefox across all your devices? That's UNTRUE, it absolutely syncs across devices, seamlessly. What webites have you used that dont support Firefox? 20 years now and I haven't had that issue.

Firefox might gain some new users if Google finally ends up banning ad blockers from chrome

LibreWolf gang rise up But speaking of Firefox itself, I use it because it's the second largest browser that isn't chromium-based. We need to keep google from monopolizing the web. Recently I got my grandparents to switch to Firefox (in the process of making them switch from windows to GNU/Linux aswell), doing my best to help.

People seeing how 70 MILLION MONTHLY USERS went away and shrugging it off to Google's marketing has to be the stupidest take i can see. Great video.

The most important reason that Firefox needs to thrive is because it is the only alternative to Chromium, which is every other browser. If Firefox goes, Chromium will be everything, there will be a 100% monopoly, no competition.

Amazing to see how Firefox’s worst enemy is Mozilla themselves. At least Librewolf a pretty close example to what a stock Firefox install should be

I think a lot of the Firefox decline is due to more people acquiring computers. As non-tech people acquire computers, they use whatever other people give them and don't look much further. They use their computers as appliances for accessing Facebook or KZfaq. They don't know what their browser is. I've heard, in person, someone say "my circle is gone". They deleted their link to Chrome on their Windows 11 desktop. There is also the increase in the use of Chromebooks. These use Chrome. That means a huge chunk of the education market uses Chrome. If the market increases and the number of users stays the same, Firefox will see its market share decline. The decrease in users can be partly described by people jumping ship. I know people who moved to Edge. I know people who moved to Chrome. There are also a lot of people who moved to alternatives like Vivaldi and Librewolf. There are so many confounding variables.

I was using Firefox since the version 2.0. I finally gave up on them a few months ago. Imposing the proton update with the huge top after so many people expressed their disagreement was a big FU to the users. Customization was one of the huge force of Firefox. I tried Brave and never looked back.

The _one_ small feature I really liked on Firefox was "View Picture" which Chrome early replaced with "Open Picture in New Tab" which is not how I like it. Speaking of bad decisions, this was *of course* rather recently removed, with the need of an extension to re-add a feature that has been there for a decade...

"Mozilla's failed projects are even giving Google's graveyard a run for it's money." Not even comparable. Nobody kills more products than Google.

A big reason Firefox lost market share is because of the proliferation of Android, iOS, and "Chrome" devices that predominately use the default browser. PC users don't want to admit it, but they're not the king of the hill anymore when it comes to userbase. For most of the world, mobile devices aren't just their daily driver, it's their only means of getting online.

I remember when Mozilla added Auto-JavaScript execution by default in PDF files within the browser. So much about "privacy & security"... was one of the moments where I really noticed that they are going downhill with bad decisions.

I recently switched from Chrome to Firefox. After watching this video, I think I’ll just set Chrome back as the default browser. I guess Firefox is my secondary browser now…

I use and continue to use Firefox as my primary browser but I'm worried that it may actually fade into insignificance until the word "Firefox" doesn't ring a bell anymore for most people.

Mozilla's methods of integrating ads into Firefox reminds me of how Ubuntu was in the 2010s with Amazon

You can pry my Firefox from my cold greasy hands

That's why I use... Brave ! It's what Firefox was, but actually is. Plus, it's open source. And it's based on Chromium (Chrome's base) so it's convenient, fast and easy to use. It's also compatible with lots of websites, but since websites actually only allows Edge and Chrome, Brave often gets blocked for no reason at all because with some extensions you can make the site thinks you're on Chrome without losing any performance or anything compared to Chrome.

it''s heartbreaking to watch this video being a firefox user since version 3.5, but you are correct in the fact that the only people who care about firefox nowadays are the loyal fans, even though it's not same anymore i still refuse to use any chromium based browser

I remember when Firefox was the new upstart that was eating the Mozilla browser’s lunch. It grew, was adopted, and finally became the same unresponsive thing it was forked to replace.

I legit thought a pop up was open when you display it on the video LMAOOO

why do people think that everything needs to be updated, if it's already perfect, don't change it

Two reasons why I still use it: - it puts Meta sites into their own corner/compartment so they don't creep into other tabs - Style Editor in the dev tools which is not in other browsers

This is why I use librewolf. It's firefox but with the bad stuff removed and its community is what develops it not an organization.

Firefox is now the yahoo of browsers.

The thing that made me first switch to Firefox was that Chrome was having frequent memory leak issues, which never happened to me with Firefox. I started hardening a little bit past that point, but I don't get what people mean by Chrome being faster.

Basically what’s happening is Google keeping poor Firefox half-alive through Mozilla, so that they don’t have a monopoly but they don’t have competition either.

To me the existence of Firefox with its own engine is crucial. I tend to agree with a lot of the things you mention in the video. I am not too concerned with the lower performance in benchmarks in Firefox. In real-life situations I do not feel the performance gap, and most tools today tend to be run in a browser. I feel (this is very much subjective) that the performance of Firefox is adequate, improvements are welcome, but it works as is. I actually think that the developer tools in Firefox are superior to those in Chrome. Then again I am not a web developer, I work with software development, and has done so for 20 years, but I have mostly managed to stay out of web development, so obviously my views are not those of a professional web developer. Chromium or rather Blink is a really good engine, don't get me wrong. The problem is that it is holding the major share of the browser market. With only really Mozillas Gecko (or I guess it's Quantum now) as an alternative. Some will say that having only one engine is a good thing as it creates a more uniform web. As someone who clearly remembers the time of Internet Explorer dominance I heavily disagree. One engine to rule them all is not something to desire. First and foremost last time we had one engine to rule them all, we were hit by stale innovation, and questionable design decisions. And while Blink might be open source, in practice it is being pushed by large corporations, who are serving their own interest rather than that of consumer. In general innovation is good, for instance Mozillas choice to switch to Rust, is something that has potential to increase stability of the browser. If all engines are based on the same base, then the possibility space for innovation is decreased. One other problem with Blink is the list of companies supporting it, Mozilla might not have made the best decisions, and might have a moral issue with regards to their actions. But it is nothing against the list of companies supporting Blink: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Meta, just to mention a few. Compared to those Mozilla is small company. And sure there might be smaller companies creating alternative browsers, but they are almost always based on Blink. Do we really think that they have any actual impact on the features that the big companies put into the engine? More importantly do we really think than any of the big companies would allow any contributions to the engine, that would harm their income sources. So for companies who live on personal data, it is unlikely that features limiting personal data exposure will make it into the engine. One example of the above can be found here: www.theverge.com/2022/6/10/23131029/mozilla-ad-blocking-firefox-google-chrome-privacy-manifest-v3-web-request The blink engines decision to switch to manifest version 3, will remove many of the most efficient ad blockers. Who defended version 2 and ad-blocker support? Mozilla. So for all the issues they have, they still remain one of the strongest proponents of privacy, at least that can offer a viable alternative to Blink/Chromium based browsers. So I do not trust Mozilla, but given the choice between Mozilla and the usual suspects: Google, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Meta I will choose Mozilla every day. One last thought, given that Blink and the companies behind it has more than 95% market share, why do we need to visit a Mozilla page for the best web development reference: developer.mozilla.org I think people tend to forget the huge contributions to the modern web that Mozilla has been behind. So I agree that Mozilla has made questionable decisions, I am not concerned about changes to the browser, I am concerned about addition of services such as Pocket that harms privacy. They should have made it as an extension instead. But the alternative is in my opinion worse. I have been looking for good forks of the Gecko/Quantum engine, but so far I have not found a proper one. Tor is a special case and in my opinion not a general browser, but a specialist tool for special use cases.

Just a little correction, duck duck go doesn't care about your privacy either.

One thing that has been bothering me about Firefox in recent years is when they constantly take away Customization Options, as weell as making many changes to Force users to having Tabs above the Address bar, like every other modern browser. However, that5 does make it harder for me to move the Entire Window between my two screens, since I would sometimes accidently grab and move only a single a Tab. I also prefer the old wqay where the Tab is attached to the actual browsing section.

I use Libewolf, its essentially Firefox but if they kept their promises and community maintained

All of this is pretty damning, but having worked in multiple fields of IT for various organizations, I think its simply integration and lack of user awareness that's bringing Firefox's numbers down. Organizations typically use one of two systems and that's Google's Workspace/G Suite, or Microsoft's 365 environment and both of those pair with their respective browsers of Chrome and Edge (which of course is Chromium based). The education sector skews these numbers as well, especially in the US. Student devices are Chromebooks and their accounts are through Google. Even if the teachers have Windows devices they also typically have Google accounts using Google services (I.E Classroom) to integrate with their students better and this is all predominantly done through Chrome which is often pre-installed on faculty devices anyways. This argument can be even further enforced by looking at the next browser down the list from Chrome, and that is Safari with ~25% market share in browsers. Considering that Safari isn't even available outside of Apple devices that rules out user preference especially since Windows devices still hold by and large majority market share for desktop computers. Safari's numbers are coming purely from people using iPhones, iPads (which make up 20%-22% of mobile device market share) and Mac computers. Though of course Edge is also one of the least used (although still more used that Firefox lol) and that's because most people just use Google for services like email, KZfaq, Docs, Sheets, etc... So of course the first time they go to sign into Google on a new device they get that nice "install Chrome now" pop up, and they know that the browser they download will instantly sync to their old one so they don't have to re-learn anything. It's just convenience. I'll also add that personally I've worked with enough end-users over the years to know that they don't care about their privacy until something violates it right in their face. Most of them could care less about trackers and user data until you point it out to them and even then they'll take the convenience of that over privacy as soon as it annoys them. It's why DuckDuckGo has such low market share in search engines. I use DDG every day, but if you're the kind of user that's used to getting your desired link in the first 3 search results the DDG isn't for you because you have to dig a little deeper than that most of the time.

I would also love to see Firefox become better again. The only reason for me, to still use it is the privacy add-ons. I've got a lot them installed and there is no other browser, I can get such an effective setup with. - Every website containerized - AdBlock - Tracking Blocker - Very strict cookie policy, with everything removed, when leaving a website, or closing a tab - Canvas hash scrambled - Changing user agent on every new call Sadly, my Firefox for Android lacks two vital add-ons and I somewhat lost hope, they will come, or come back - No Cookie Auto delete - No Containers Untill Mozilla changed the mobile Firefox, I could use almost every Add-on from the desktop version. Now there are just the few specific ones.

With the state of Chrome literally announcing how they are going to bend over people who block ads this video surely aged well.

Not private by default, but it is one of the few browsers you can make as private as you want, and be free from the chains of Chromium. That's why I'm staying till the bitter end.

For me it never was the privacy that enticed me. It was because Firefox is the only browser that's not based in Chromium. I don't remember what was the deal with that, but I guess that involves something like "If chromium fails, every other browser fails"

in that graph in the beninging, are all chromium based web browsers meant, or just chrome itself?

You've missed a big point: even if Mozilla didn't care about privacy at all, that would still be miles better than alphabet being actively hellbent at sniping every last bit of privacy.

Wolf gang here :-)

me watching it using firefox with 209 tabs: interesting (209 tabs on chrome will just get shrunk to oblivion, and no, I don't like using onetab)

> Remember Firefox? I'm using it.

When I used Windows (2019-2022), Firefox was the only browser I actually liked. I tried Edge, and I gave it many opportunities, and it worked great. But I was just very satisfied with with Firefox’s performance and customization. I started using Firefox only because of the Privacy features, but I genuinely grew to like it and rely on it. Even when I tried other browsers, I kept on coming back to Firefox. Unfortunately there are websites that don’t work well, but that was just not enough for me to change it as the default.

Wow Kermit really dislikes Firefox

Privacy is important, but to me, customization is even more important than that. That was one of the main things I loved about Firefox way back when. You could change and play around with so many things that the other browsers at the time simply wouldn't let you touch! Sadly, it seems like that is a thing of the past - even something as simple as disabling CORS without installing some shady extensions is easier done in Chrome than in Firefox. If someone came out with an alternative browser focused on having as many features as possible for power users, then I'd switch to that in a heartbeat.

3:50 Firefox gives you options to care about your own privacy.

I just switched from the bloated chrome based browsers to firefox

One thing I think made Firefox lose marketshare was that Quantum, while being a massive and 100% needed improvement to the browser, was too little too late for people, and every change they've made since has been completely braindead in my opinion.

I always like to say that librewolf is what firefox was supposed to be, actually private with sensible defaults and great fingerprinting protection out of the box, not chromium based (actually it uses the same browser engine as firefox) and yk the people behind it actually listen to and care about their community. That is why I converted from firefox to librewolf.

I stopped using Firefox primarily because I was constantly running into issues with it that nobody helped me resolve that were absent on Chrome. Same thing with Linux in general, I used to daily drive enthusiast distros like Gentoo or Arch, but I stopped doing so, because I have less and less time to tinker with systems and need my PC to just work and stay out of my way, whether I'm working or gaming. I still run Linux on my machine for work (though I run Ubuntu these days, because I don't have time for Arch or Gentoo anymore) and don't use Linux for anything else outside of work. Gaming on Linux is still subpar, modding games (which for me is crucial) is not possible on Linux, and even though I only ever use Linux for work, I constantly run into issues, bugs and annoyances that I need to spend my time searching online to fix. Windows for me just works and does almost everything I need to do and never runs into issues or tests my patience (except development is painful to do on Windows, because I already got used to developer workflow on Linux and it's just better in every way imaginable).

This is why I'm so interested in forks of Firefox. It's all the benefits of not using Chrome, plus actual privacy in many cases.

I had been using Firefox for 15 years or so. Every new update I was dreading the UI being messed up and wondering which features would get axed. Asking on their ticketing system to add back features that had been supported for years was met with dismissive replies from the maintainers. Eventually I realized that switching to a different browser would be easier than to stick with Firefox...

All good points. I still use hardened Firefox because it's pretty much the only decent open source alternative, but it's a shame to have to go through many hoops to configure the browser to be privacy-respecting.

What I hugely respect Mozilla for are their MDN web docs. The go to please to learn about developing the web, web APIs and more. They really did a great job with these docs.

Firefox on android had the best UI of all mobile browsers and they got rid of it

I now mainly use Firefox but still keep brave around in case a site doesn’t work properly. I’m hoping that the ladybird browser eventually gets good enough for daily use, it would be really cool to have another non-chromium based mainstream browser.

As a longtime Firefox user, I've never had a huge problem with it but they don't seem to do anything interesting or different - that's from a UI and usability standpoint. All this that you talked about regarding privacy is really troubling. I recently switched to Vivaldi, and while yes it has the same base code as Chrome, they put a LOT of extra effort into both the UI and privacy. There's an interview with the Vivaldi CEO on Techlore's channel - definitely worth a watch, and it's what helped make my mind up to switch. People like DT say it's "proprietary garbage," but Vivaldi is very open about their stances on privacy and putting users first, and AFAIK all the code is reviewable even if you can't re-use it.

Switching to Firefox with some mods from github is the best decision ive made. Since it is open source, there are many mods you can add. More privacy, more snapiness, etc. Im loving it so far

It was AMAZING until they decided "lets look like Chrome and shut down personalization and extensions"... they tried to "out-chrome chrome" and just pretend to be something else... and it SUCKED... Sadly though... we NEED FIREFOX today. We NEED IT. There's almost NO other browser that's NOT Chrome under the hood- Opera, Maxthon, Opera, Brave, Edge, etc... ALL OF THEM are Chrome.

I use Firefox and the reasons as to why I do so are complicated: - It's not chromium-based - At least you could do Hardening if things get dire - It's preferred by Linux users (although i'm not one) - I used to use Chrome but I switched to Firefox out of fear when I realised Chrome was acting a bit weird once - I figured that if Chrome starts being all 1984 and bans ad-blockers I could take refuge in Firefox perhaps (unless they give in to Google). - Using it feels unironically unique from the others who use Chrome or Edge (a stupid reason, i know) - Another stupid reason but, I like foxes in general, including an anime kitsune called Senko and the character Firefox-chan by Merryweather :) Don't get me wrong, I know that the browser is far from private, however some reasons why I use it are sentimental (not very logical), and also because I've kind of given up on trying other browsers. As you said, the thing that makes me salty is that apart from anti-privacy bloatware such as Pocket, some things don't work on Firefox but obviously work better in chromium-based browsers, such as certain browser extensions and websites sometimes (every now and then stuff is buggy in Firefox, like google sign-in pages saying "Something went wrong", but when I try another browser it works fine). In addition there's a social issue: when someone came across me using Firefox once they looked down on me asking me why I still use it in this day and age (and I don't blame him since I have weird reasons, but still it hurt).

I've been using Linux since the start (1994) and exclusively since 2006. Never used Chrome in my life, just Firefox and Chromium. With GreaseMonkey and UBlock I can customize to never see anything I don't ever want to see. As a Linux user, I configure my own system to be hardened, and Firefox runs very fast for me, taking little RAM. You just need to know what you're doing.

Duck duck go is basically as bad if not worse than google now, also google is the most used search engine so it makes sense to put it as default, and the nice chunk of change funds this free only alternative to chromium. And you can change the search engine. And if you're not the kind of person who changes the default search engine, you'd probably be mad if the default wasn't google. "Mozilla is bad because google is bad!"

Firefox CONSTANTLY gets improved and is FAR MORE desirable than all other browsers. Firefox won't tie up computer resources unnecessarily, and isn't a lead brick like Chrome is, which also spies on you, just like internet explorer also spies on you. Chromium isn't much different. Brave browser is also very nice, but it may be just a bit too simplistic.

I have used Firefox for a really long time, especially because it allows me to navigate through my tabs, while Chrome and Edge keep shrinking them and eventually stop showing them. Yes, I know I have issues. Eventually, the privacy, adblock and containers stuff kept me into it, but with this information I might just switch to a fork before it starts being awful... but after I save all the tabs I have open

I've always used firefox and it's not that much slower in comparison to chrome or chromium based browsers, nor are there many pages that don't work on firefox. I didn't know the privacy part though, thanks for the video

It's crazy to how there are just no good browsers left. I've gone back to using chrome again a couple years ago. Firefox feels slow and is years behind Chrome when it comes to implementing new API's, Safari is nice but also misses a lot of features, and every chromium-based alternative I've tried has buggy devtools and often their own sketchy stuff going on

Yeah, I agree with you, Mozilla back then did all the right things when MS was literally destroying the web, then to see them making deals with Google or advertisers or announcing they now use telemetry on your searches, wow. There is no hope.

They lost me when they said they support regulation and censorship of the internet.

I still use Firefox, but I died a bit inside when their UI changed. I had to change the internal CSS myself to add visual separators between tabs. I hate how everything looks like it was made by Apple now. I hope this design trend goes away soon.

I did not know about the whole CEO thing. Wow. It's becoming more and more difficult to defend Firefox. Even the only argument people have(Firefox is important cause of ummmm Chrome monopoly or something) is becoming less and less valid. Why support a company that does not listen to it's users, sell out and lie, and being ran by greedy CEOs?

So is it *_Mo$illa_* or *_Mozilla_* then? 10:57 - Yep, the "new" Proton UI that removed *tabs that looked like tabs* did it for me. Most people don't like it yet Mozilla said they didn't care about our opinion. A big middle finger to their users! No option for users to even decide and select what they want their browser to look like. Just like defaulting to a "hamburger" menu button instead of the top menu. Let *me decide* if I am desperate for that extra screen space and want to use many extra clicks to see "History" instead of one click. Mozilla thinks they know better than their user base but their obvious decline shows otherwise. Pretty sad.

4:13 I don't agree that chrome is more convenient, Firefox has better bookmark system, easy to use screenshots. Also, when you have a big number of open tabs, in chrome they are all just squeezed, in firefox they are not and you can still partially see the names of the tabs

Netscape was the first browser I ever used, the competition wasn't available on my OS of choice, and when Netscape fizzled out Firefox seemed to be the way to go. Firefox ticks all the boxes for me, it is stable, intuitive and nothing has ever happened to make me dislike it, so I see no reason to change.

I use Firefox because it doesn't drop frames in 1440p on KZfaq unlike all other chromium based browsers

I REALLY REALLY want to use Firefox. These two words are an extreme understatement to how much I want to love it and use it. But Mozilla themselves are killing the lovely browser. Just to begin, the performance on Firefox sucks, especially graphics, making it impossible to use tools like Figma. But instead of fixing it, they added bloat like Pocket. Instead of attracting developers back, they're busy launching universes of sub products under Mozilla brand. Like WTF! Just fix the f***ing browser first!

I've heard a theory that, since Google is about to break ad blockers and make them nonfunctional, it's going to cause an exodus of people to other browsers, most likely to Firefox or Opera. (Opera does that have a minor scandal going on with that whole GX Aura thing, I imagine everyone is going to forget about it by next week.) The point is, the breaking of Ad blockers is probably what'll save Firefox.

Google is about to say those infamous three words, 'Hold My Beer'. Google is working on building DRM into Chrome and that means you won't be able to block ads or trackers because marketing devs are going to use the DRM API on all the mainstream websites. Brave and other Chromium based browsers are openly stating they will not implement those features.

Firefox is the only browser with proper hardware video acceleration. 4K playback is a nightmare on Chromium based browsers, giving me 100% CPU usage while my GPU supports VP9 video acceleration. Firefox doesn't cause these issues, hardware accelerated video works great.

Firefox has always been better than it's reputation. E.g. a couple of years ago, people would say Chrome is better as it is faster and uses less memory. Yet the first one was irrelevant (I did over 100 real world tests on HMTL rendering and JS code, on average Chrome was 2% faster, nobody notice such a tiny difference ever and in some scenarios Firefox was significant faster than Chrome) and the second one was totally untrue (after opening 24 common web pages, Chrome used way more memory than Firefox and after closing all those tabs and windows again, Chrome was still using more memory than Firefox - people just ignored that Chrome opened dozens of processes and failed to sum up the memory consumption of all those processes correctly, whereas Firefox was just having a single process at that time). So Firefox being slow or eating up your memory has not been true when Chrome started to widespread (Firefox had a memory issue way back but that has been solved a long time ago before Chrome was relevant and nobody did really notice that, which shows how irrelevant it has been in the first place), but despite untrue, it still spread like a wildfire among people who had no idea what they were talking about and never did a single test or spend 5 minutes to verify those claims. I haven't checked in recent years as that's just a waste of time, since even if you show real numbers, even if you prove them by screen recordings showing how you got those numbers, people won't really listen. The problem is that some people switched to Chrome because of those performance myths but Firefox didn't realize that, they thought that people switched because they liked the UI and the behavior better, so they thought if we adopt that UI and behavior, people have no reason to switch. The opposite happened. All the people who stayed with Fx because they disliked the UI and the behavior of Chrome now got pissed off and now with Fx being essential the same as Chrome in all these aspects, it wouldn't matter anymore if they switch, after all Mozilla removed the main reason why they didn't want to switch in the first place. That was a horrible bad decision, as it didn't bring back any users and just pushed off those who staid and were dedicated to stay. And that was the beginning of Mozilla going on war with their own users: They added features and made changes nobody asked for, and the majority of users didn't like, they intentionally ignored feature requests everyone has been asking for years (sometimes decades), and they turned completely deaf to user complains about any of this. Their bug system is a joke, it's full of bug reports that reach back decades, with hundreds of people having commented on them, thousands of people having voted for them and Mozilla did exactly nothing to address any of this!

Things I like about Firefox: * about:config * Firefox Sync stores my data on Mozilla’s servers, but not even Mozilla can access it * picture-in-picture player * translating a web page to a different language without sending any data to any servers * not Chromium based

I used to use Firefox back in the Windows XP days, but when I switched to Windows 7 I also switched over to Waterfox, which is a fork of Firefox that went 64-bit first, and I've stuck with it ever since then. Given Firefox's recent affair with Big Brother I'm glad I got out so long ago. The Waterfox team seems to largely be holding to the same principles that Mozilla used to, and to my knowledge have largely remained apolitical when it comes to things like censorship. The only real issue I've encountered with Waterfox so far is that it is based on an older version of Firefox, so certain websites may not let you login, although this can be circumvented with the right extension.

is it the same as librewolf since it base on firefox?

"Chrome has faster and better performance than firefox" ...*glances at RAM usage* S u r e, bud.

Yes, Chrome being advertised in the world's most used search engine is a reason to lose market share. But making a crummy browser doesn't help retaining users. I switched to Chrome when I tested that it actually used *less* memory than FF when opening multiple tabs.

Google is paying them so they become a failed company. As long as the developers for firefox are being payed to be not private then the for profit business will have no reason to make their browser good when resenting any form of monetization they can get.

There's another huge factor Eric Murphy completely misses as to why Mozilla's Firefox is failing - Brave. Mozilla ran their founder out of the company on fake accusations of the usual, racism, misogamy and the like, then that new CEO who's paying herself more and more money while dancing on the grave of Mozilla. The founder when and founded a new privacy focused browser, Brave, as a fork of the popular Chrome browser, so when you use Brave, you basically get Chrome but without Google's tracking and spyware junk. If you were to have added Brave's market share into the mix, I suspect you'd see Brave's market share growing as Mozilla's shrinks. Also not mentioned specifically, but which was a huge factor in me leaving Firefox for Brave was that Firefox changed their whole UI from being it's own thing to being just a cheap imitation of Chrome. I'm not a fan of the Chrome UI, though I have gotten used to it and tolerate it in Brave, I really liked the classic Firefox UI, and found it WAT MORE user friendly then this jam everything into one cryptic place so you can't figure out where anything is as there's no logical groupings anymore crap that these "experts" SAY is EASIER on the user.

One word brave, works all the time, no ads etc. FF is janky at best now, it breaks all the time too. They removed a lot of great tools.