3:45 "(...)so , you're blocking ads from creators , maybe you're watching a KZfaqr and you're blocking their ads but instead of the KZfaqr getting money from the ad , now Brave is getting the money because you're viewing their ads (...)" That is such a normie take - Brave doesn't replace the ads they removed with their own, Brave ads are displayed independently as a push-notification.

@@Cymessuch a normie take💀

what about cpu and add blocking, how would be the tier list?

lmao failfox will doxx you and send antifa to your house if you ever say something they deem problematic... such privacy, wow.

Lol this guy is so clueless. brave has garbage ad blocking ability. firefox runs like garbo when so many tabs are open. he's clearly a one-tab-open-at-a-time AKA mobile user.

Time to use MicroG😁

@@canotik not an option on a majority of modern devices without contacting shady companies to unlock the boot loader, and shady methods to rooting your phone

At least your browsing history won’t be collected with Firefox.

@@spamguy1156 I can unlock it without contacting Xiaomi but since I have had this phone for 2 years I don't want to mess with it and erase all of my app data

Even if Google and CIA can get your Webbrowser data don't give it for free. Using Brave or opera means someone else is selling your data and only that already trims a bit of leverage for Google

Interesting, didn't know that.

I tried it…it was bad…really bad… If chrome is spyware, then Opera GX is malware! Auto adds a sidebar, auto defaults to browser of choice, auto sets to launch on startup. Yeah…😅 They aren’t even remotely subtle about it…😂

That is like being sued by Epstein for child abuse. Can't take it seriously.

@@KunoichiPeri it overrides edge on a windows machine as default browser? IMPOSSIBLE

it doesn't ppl just mash tru buttons when setting it up

Open-source is so overrated

@@SilverInThePitchBlack it definitely isn't, Free software is always better than proprietary s##t

Make some sense but not all, it's possible to read and understand the code Vivaldi ? I guess in terms of transparency it is really worse... Open source is better because of this and usually has more people helping at least that's why i think it's better in terms of spyware which is his anchor in terms of ranking so more transparency is better.

@@Sensorywolf It is, of course, but for the normal consumer? What do they care? What are they doing that they really wanna stay private?

@@SilverInThePitchBlack you do realize open source means you can check for issues and potentially make the program better right?

And now there's AI bs build in the brave browser, time for me to move on. Maybe i'll try librewolf

I didn't know this, thanks.

You can always be tracked 😜

​@@tortoisejohnny7227No. Never.

Don't they also compensate you in crypto for you attention, too? So it's a win-win! ...Although I don't use crypto.

@@CosPlaywright Yeah something like 0.1 BAT valued at around 0.19$ per BAT, per week, if you use your browser 2- 3 hours a day at least. You also get browser freeze without reason quite often. Brave rewards are just BS. If you use Brave, don't base your choice on rewards. Accuracy of searches are extremely impacted too if you don't allow precise localisation. Weight the pros and cons depending on your own use and needs. There are a lot of bad browsers out there but not real "good" ones.

not to mention you can customize the uis css yourself , and the phone version has tabs which is just a must , i can never change away from vivaldi fr

You can CSS design Firefox as you like too

@@astral5698 how can you inspect its ui ?

i switched from real opera (on presto) to vivaldi. im not gonna go wank in a corner over whether something is open source or not, so couldnt care less about that. its just one of the best, most customisable browsers out there.

I always come back to Vivaldi. Stacking tabs is just too useful, I'm a maniac for customization and there's just nothing like it. When I used Waterfox for a while, stacking tabs was THE missing feature Honestly I also wish they would copy some Opera GX stuff. I love the ambient music, typing sounds and stuff. It's useless, but it's just fun.

im pretty sure last night i turned on a setting that makes tabs basically freeze completely and not use any memory if they're "idle tabs"

on google chrome

Or just use Opera GX. You can close it/exit the application or even restart your PC and every time, your browser will have the same tabs open. The only way to delete the tabs you have open is manually.

Normal Opera has this as well - i have 100s of tabs open/saved all the time

@@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252There are FAR better browsers than Spywarepera GX.

quite obviously he doesn't use a browser to work or doesn't understand that a good browser should be reliable, flexible and offer easy ways to manage complicated tasks. He just wants to yammer on tht he doesn't use expedia, but can't hit the "minus" tab to delete the quick link. He'd go insane if he saw how complex and rich Vivaldi can be for a researcher.

Not now

You think that absolutely bloated shit of a web browser can stand along with an hardened firefox and librewolf?

@@juhaeerjayran4246 100%

@@benf4531 imagine using a closed source browser. See i want a browser which just allows me to browse the internet and not an entire os

@@juhaeerjayran4246 imagine complaining about a company protecting their intellectual property.

@@benf4531 brave does that firefox does that so why cant vivaldi huh? and also you didn't answer my second argument which is about vivaldi being more of a os than a browser which is completely unnecessary

chromium based garbage

but brave is also that @@OxxidCZ

@@OxxidCZGuess who asked

@@officialsamumix Me. I did.

Btw. If I was the creator of Vivaldi I wouldn’t wanna give away all my secrets either. And no, I’m not bitter and won’t be disliking your video, lol.

Tab stacking and workspaces are essential, once you use them once. Other browsers need an add-on for these features and are nowhere near as good as Vivaldi's baked in features. Honestly though, if FF implemented tab stacking like Vivaldi, I'd probably switch back to it.

It's also made by the original Opera team before it was sold out to the Chinese, making Opera spyware and Vivaldi the safer version of Opera. Was one of the main reasons I switched from Opera to Vivaldi after years and years. Vivaldi just uses features they invented when working on Opera before the sell-out.

Also aren't there many other ways your browser can collect data from you even if the browser is fully open-sourced?

The fact that he put firefox, a browser by mozilla, a company known for their support of internet censorship above Vivaldi

​@@WeldersFSCRemember the time when the original Opera had a web server built in so you could host your own cloud services

Oh I noticed the UI was a lot like Opera. It looks like it may actually have a real bookmark bar though, so I'm going to download it and try it. Palemoon is the only browser on his list that has a real bookmark bar.@@WeldersFSC

Same. I have both LibreWolf and Firefox, but I use LibreWolf most of the time...I only use Firefox for the sites LibreWolf doesn't really play nice with.

LibreWolf hasn't paired up well with KeePassXC for me, so I still use Firefox. :/ I really did like how few settings I had to mess with using LibreWolf though.

@@whannabi are u being ironic?

​@@thejourneyoffaith8116no, they're being alluminic

@@whannabi yeah let me watch videos on my terminal

You do realize it takes 15 seconds to install Ublock origin right? Having a built in mediocre adblocker is not a selling feature. And btw the youtube anti adblock thing was getting rolled out slowly, same as when they started removing dislikes, it wasnt an overnight change

@@ThunderingRoar I use Vivaldi and the only time I saw any KZfaq ads or the "adblockers aren't allowed" message after the adblock ban was put in place was *after* I had installed a third-party adblock. The Vivaldi adblocker has worked perfectly for me so far, been using it for most of this year. I've read a lot of user messages complaining about having to refresh/clear the cache of Ublock to get it to work for KZfaq (and having to do this once every few days), but with Vivaldi I've not had to do that. I think the built in adblock is better than many that I've seen, but maybe that's just me

I dont think its meant to convince you to change. Its his tier list and he doesnt trust closed source code. I dont either, do i think viv is havesting 3x as much data as google? No not at all. But im wary of anything i cant look over myself and know exactly what and why its doing something. Id probably rank it about the same for that reason fantastic features or no.

it's definitely reliable, extremely flexible and relatively easy to customize... and seriously doubt if there is a better browser for daily research and work between desktop and internet or even between websites on the internet. Only the original firefox was so flexible but it always crashed and too often broke.

Completely agree

So... Regular Opera. Which has every single thing you just mentioned. I'm on Linux, so I can't use GX but regular Opera has your whole list and then some.

@@AlexanderAddams regular opera has page tiling? and default privacy settings?

@@AlexanderAddamsopra sells data lol

@@ra1n7 yep

@@eschernadeau9287 are you saying this whole writing it on KZfaq owned by Google?

waterfox's logo is way better ngl

@@Miguellyy Dude the original FireFox logo is iconic... I was hoping WaterFox's would just be the same thing but with a blue fox

​@@DanteToskathe waterfox logo was like that at some point (pre 2016/2017ish i think?)

​@@Nunuchu42also IceCat/IceWeasel

In addition, they went completely independent again as of July.

Close source is more likely to be spyware tier💀

Get fucked, open source fanatics

@@VallisMansonOfficial Cryptocurrency browsers like Brave are worse

Erect firefox has the worst logo

​@@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uzno

Have you switched to any with such decent security and adblocking?

@@unholydonuts I've never had a problem with Brave in this regard.

@@BridgetGX Discovered Brave through NBTV, seems like a great chromium option.

How has it been so far for you?

The one issue I have with Vivaldi is that I like traditional Chromium's tab groups over Vivaldi's tab stacks, and have had issues where the browser's internal tab order and what it shows to the user go out of sync which breaks Ctrl+Tab predictability. I haven't used it in a while to know if that bug's been fixed, but the tab stacks are a killer in a bad way for me. Still my #2 rec after Brave.

CLOSED SOURCE

​@@moioyoyo848?

@@notyoutube8128 stupid

​@@Komatik_you can deactivate tab stacks in the settings. I think you can even deactivate stacking completely. You can also maybe use the mouse gestures to have tab switching more reliably

Can I have tab headers in a list on the side in this browser?

Also satisfied with Vivaldi. To me the UI being closed source is a plus from a security perspective. Makes it more time consuming to make a fake clone of it.

Yeah. For me, sticking to 3rd party companies is a bigger concern than privacy, though privacy is still a major concern. Vivaldi seems like it has too much going on, and I’m honestly not too upset by generalized/anonymized telemetry going to Mozilla.

@@LordBeefWhat do you even mean by 3rd party companies

​​@@greenhat7618 I assume he meant the small names unlike Google, Apple and Microsoft and that he doesn't trust them.

This isn’t a privacy browser they partnered with Microsoft

Would you recommend tips for Vivaldi? I tried it once but it was so overwhelming I went back to Chrome 😅

@@lonenightmare9668 set mouse gestures for going back and forth through your tabs in order, to close and reopen tabs and to refresh the page. You can make those whatever makes sense for you. Then enable the list tab switcher or something like that so if you hold right click and scroll, you can scroll through a list of all your open tabs. This makes it so you never have to use your tabs and navigation bar pretty much and speeds up your browsing immensely

One of my complaints with vivaldi was that they just delete things. I had been using the "Olive" theme that came default, and they decided to delete it and poof goes my preferred theme. I couldn't trust it to not change any of my other settings since then, so good luck to you if you have a configuration with hours put into it

seems like might be usefull when pacificaly want to compare two webpages when reseraching.

@@lonenightmare9668 Start slow, just use the simple stuff like you would be if you used chrome/brave/firefox. They are all pretty simple browsers by comparison, so just use it like you use those. Use it like reskinned chrome if you will. Over time you WILL eventually learn a new thing here and there. Over time, one new thing here and there results in knowing a LOT about the browser. When I first started using it, I was also really overwhelmed. Now with time, I feel that I have a really solid handle on most of vivaldi's features, settings, and using the power features to dramatically blitz through my workflow and no longer feel overwhelmed with it at all.

Tab stacking in the old days of Vivaldi was pretty horrible. I remember fighting that feature. Thing is there were no way to reorganize tabs other than stacking them. Try to move a tab left or right on the tab bar and nothing happened. You could (working from malfunctioning memory) open up some window ant try to reorganize them, but if I remember correctly that was very hit and miss. It took years but eventually the developers got around to fixing this and today it's almost flawless. I originally went with Vivaldi just because Opera was absolutely refusing to even consider enabling tab stacking on the "New" Opera versions they released after 12.14 (I think it was) when they abandoned Presto. I started using Opera way back when a part of their goal was that the installation file for Opera would always fit on a standard 1.44 MB floppy... I stayed with them through 12.14, and kept using it for years, waiting for Opera to finally get their head out of their ass and implement tab stacking again. But when 12.14 no longer worked on most sites, I think it was KZfaq that finally broke me, I tried just about every browser there was trying to find a new home. Firefox for some reason rubbs me the wrong way. I felt clunky and they had just changed over to a modern UI that I hated. Sure it can be customized, and sure there's an extension for that, what ever that is. But after a while I just couldn't stand hunting for extensions that broke with updates of FF and so on. Chrome was the browser I ended up using a lot for a year or so. Still a lot of things that had to be done by installing extensions, but at least it wasn't quite as clunky as FF. Never really had any performance problems with Chrome even when people were crying about memory usage and CPU hogging. Guess I was lucky. But no matter what extensions I tried I couldn't find something that let me stack tabs the way I used to in Opera 12.14 and earlier. I think tab stacking was introduced in Opera around version 5 or 6, so it was an old friend by 12.14. Vivaldi was something I found when I googled tab stacking and opera. And it turned out that some of the devs came from the old development team at Opera. And they had largely the same complaints about the "New" Opera releases as I did. What's more it was possible to relatively easily set Vivaldi up with the menus and everything looking much like the old Opera I had thought was lost forever. So that's what I run up until this day. What I love about Opera is that it is a complete package. You do not need to hunt down all kinds of extensions just to get a working browser. Most everything you may need is built in, but you do not need to use it. Don't want to use the mail client? Fine ignore it and it won't ever show up. Same with the RSS reader and so on. Personally I run two, maybe three extensions. Tamper Monkey and Return KZfaq Dislikes are the only two I have enabled.

Arc is great. I assume he would hate it because it’s not open source, but the speed of updates and communication from the Arc team is truly wild. I made a suggestion once and two weeks later the feature was fully implemented into the released version. The privacy stuff really just isn’t a big concern for me, I’m already logged into Microsoft and Google for 95% of the stuff I have to do on the web anyway and the polish and purposeful design of Arc goes a long way.

i love vivaldi, but on mac it has problems. still use it though.

Is it faster than chrome? I run with 2 profiles and I'm thinking of switching to it.

​@@Grogueman I don't expect it would be necesarilly faster than chrome with all the features Vivaldi offers. Maybe look into something like Brave or ungoogled-chromium?

yes. Use vivaldi my friend, I tried literally every browser; chrome, opera, firefox, edge but I gotta say, Vivaldi is the best browser I have ever seen in my whole life! @@Grogueman

@@GroguemanIts way faster than chrome and also way better

So only the portions concerning phone home telemetry, data harvesting and poc browser fingerprinting techniques are closed source from the Chromium fork? Thank my lucky stars, let me go install Chrome at once! Next you'll be telling me the CCP is a good governing body.

Im not sure thats much of a distinction. He admitted Vivaldi is mostly open source but not entirely and still called that closed source. I feel its a fair statement to say that a program is not open source if its not 100 percent open source.

Fr. Opera GX has by far the most useful features that I’ve ever seen on a browser. Caring as much as this guy about browsers “stealing ur data” is kinda silly tbh. Not only are they probably looking at useless data and no more than that, but what would they do if they did have it anyway? The large majority of the world seems to use Chrome, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything about anyones data on Chrome actually being used for anything harmful.

​@@oscarjenkins7505my thoughts exactly. They can steal what my eating habits and all other stuff for all I care. As long as it isnt stealing my credit card info and gets the job done Im using it

​@@oscarjenkins7505I mean I remember the case of Google giving away location data to police because a random guy ran near a investigation which then lead to him being arrested and harassed.

Opera GX is just so good. Also is chromium, so it works well with the majority of extensions. Also the company being "chinese" you know what they said the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Opera gx knows your ip, run

Already made it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9Cdac943NfSd6c.html

I still wish they didn't rely on Chrome. Maybe pulling extensions from the web is fine... but A LOT of extensions I searched in the Chrome Store (AdNauseam, PrivacyPossum, CanvasBlocker) don't exist there, and the Ad/tracking blocker setting doesn't tell WHAT they are really blocking, nor can it be customized (it only has "Off, Ad block, and Ad+Track block, no text). And the mobile version, right now, has no support for extensions at all. I think there is compromise for in-browser customization, but no 3rd-party support, being Chromium-based (even if it is ungoogled) and being closed source is complicated. That is just my own opinion, though. It does surprise me that, while using it, it felt (as mentioned) like an OS in itself.

@@NothingXemnas Chromium is still getting much support, and it is kinda hard to get something else can compete against. Cmiiw but i only know some web engines like gecko which is not all good enough, even extremely slow for some websites I use, webkit is just for macos and the old engine from opera got scrapped. As long as web devs still prefers the api provided by google and chromium and no big support for others, the best solution is still a dual browser with a chromium-based one and new browser will still pick chromium as a base. Also due to so many differences in chromium and gecko engine, even if vivaldi decides to create their own extension store and allow those, they might not work at all. Fitefox multi-account container is one example. Vivaldi although has come far away from its start and it is slowly getting its name, there are some road blocks. Vivaldi is still a niche browser with so many experiments, suggestion is overwhelming and limited (24 iirc for all the platforms) staff. Afaik in nearly 100 top suggestions, only about 20 is in progress or in pipelene stage (including some like extension support in mobile browser, session customization). Bugs are still a problem too with so many things inside browser and privacy features are still in need for reform. So for me we can only hope for the browser to stay strong and have more staffs or help to tackle the problems.

@@NothingXemnas i wish it was open source. if you have nothing to hide, why hide it?

​​@@cewla3348 i mean... if you made a recipe of a dish or drink, and want it to make it something only you have, wouldn't you keep it for yourself without ever sharing it? While i can see the reasonable concerns and doubts about it not being open source i also can see the point of not sharing the UI so nobody else can copy them, so they have these features and make them something only they offer as a personal and unkque touch.

​@@ronald0122apk

​@@ronald0122f droid or github

What browser should I use for iOS?

@@goofyahdemoman1134 there are not many options on ios, safari is ok and firefox or duckduckgo is also good. Dont forget to change your settings and add ublock origin if possible

What is Fingerprinting? Curious here

@@g4utham You can either just click "Accept" in the knowledge that they will be erased at the end of the session anyway. Or use an extension like Ghostery's Never-Consent to deny non-essential cookies by default.

If it is exceptions nothing does it better than uMatrix, from the author of uBlock Origin. Never seen a better way to do it.

It IS the fastest. I am also a Chrome user. PPL who crap all over chrome because of google should also throw away their apple phones and/or andriod phones. Just be wary of what u do on the web, and that it can always be tracked. I used Chrome mainly ever since I started webdeveloping since it was the fastest and also showed the sites and apps as they are supposed to and you didn't have to throw in fallbacks and workarounds. all the chromium engine based Browser are also still open source. only parts of it aren't. The main is still open source. Firefox is a pain in the a**. when u set it up that it works fine, the next update will break it again. it's freakin slow and made me rage while developing xD also these days the resource hogging of Chrome shouldn't really be a problem. Power users have enough resources. if you have 100+ tabs open, you have other issues xD

I use Firefox because I wanted to try something new, and because even though I know I'll never be sure that I'll be private on the web with any browser that's not developed by me 😂 lol, I don't wanna hand out everything to Google without making them work at least a bit

late but I'd recommend Iceraven

I have my tabs in Vivaldi set at the bottom of the screen. The real way tabs should be used. 😁

@@jeffreycole2816shit… I never thought about it like that bro… “the way tabs SHOULD BE” omg it’s so true

opera gx (and probably opera) can actually do all 4 of these if you look in the settings, but of course privacy wise i would rather have another browser like vivaldi even if opera has a vpn

@@waspie3132last I checked Brave isn’t spyware, so it has that going for it.

4 sold me. I was wondering how to get that functionality outside of Edge.

Firefox would win

Thanks! I probably should have talked more about memory consumption, but since most of the browsers are just based on Chromium and Firefox, they're all mostly the same...

Memory consumption could be argued as a user issue, where the user could simply add ram to compensate.

@@madthumbs1564 Right, it would probably factor into my rankings more if I was using an older machine with less RAM

​@@skulverproblem is that most people have 4-8 gigs of ram, so optimizing it would be a lot better, unless you promote your browser as a high end browser

@@ulink265 apps can already see the total amount of ram (unless they fucked that over) so just... scale based off total ram

What if you use a binary diff utility? Compare the one compiled from source code by you, and the one compiled by the source. If there's diffs that are not timestamp related, there's something going on

@@Anonimul007 that works great... If you have exactly the same compiler.

I use NixOS and it either compiles software locally or it pulls the binaries from a trusted cache after verifying the checksum. This is also part of what makes NixOS fully reproducible, making sure that everything is exactly the same after rebuilding.

simply put, your data should be your data, not some company's data.

cent browser is only in windows, so i used linux.

The problem with Cent is that it's rarely updated.

Can you give me a few examples to where you would use Hardened Firefox ? Thinkin of doing a multi browser setup too...

​@@Elyciumbamzl mostly banking, visiting websites run by my government and visiting websites which I want to know as little about me as possible, such as TikTok when someone sends me a link. I've not used it a lot since going to Vivaldi, though. I set up two different browser profiles for Vivaldi, which since I can have them open at the same time has been going great. Keeps the primary profile history etc. clean without giving up the ability to have a history or being logged into accounts.

Fumo...Alice....

@@Nihilismgaming Sup

Whats wrong with it bad besides security concerns?

I love the built in VPN

@@beiragusa It feels like boatware.

@@biasneeze Can you elaborate? I love its inbuilt adblocker that worked with you tube all this time even with adblocker ban, and few other gadgets. Someone else also told me it leaves some suspicious files but I don't get what exactly or why... It does use like 500mb of ram, is that the problem?

@@beiragusa It just seems very sketchy

I don't know what addons and plugins you use, but i never had any problem like that.

@@tovarishcheleonora8542 me either

Pray the day you ever engage with the Palemon devs, you'll repent the rest of your life from ever touching it. Go LibreWolf.

I may be using Palemoon soon because it has a real bookmarks bar. I don't know why literally every single browser deleted bookmark bars from their UI. Super annoying, and like you said, regressive.

@@TehButterflyEffect You can press ctrl shit b on most modern browsers to show or hide the bookmark bar. That way it only shows when you need it, and doesnt take up space

there is now sessions features which auto saves all open tabs in vivaldi.

edge also has this, but for me workspaces is a important feature which idk any other browser have

Microsoft edge on launch jumps your disk usage to 100% so if it isn't a "spyware" per say what's it doing cooking your SSD/HDD alive in the first place

@@dr.bendover3311 to be fair using windows is spyware at this point

@@dr.bendover3311 on mac, edge is super ok

@@dr.bendover3311he same telemetry Windows 10 is doing in the background. Pretty sure ChatGPT has its own Bing search away from the chatbot (which they made Edge a requirement for)

just as bad as google yeah@@whiskytangofoxtrot_

brave is the best of the list so far

Me too, firefox was the best one in the 2000's.

Or just don't use any of your real information on the Internet.

@@ThrowAway-md9zx I will, thanks.

I'm frustrated this got overlooked, I don't use Pale Moon as a primary browser but it's quite literally necessary and invaluable for certain things. Old weird things like NPAPI that still require internet explorer work in Pale Moon, especially after microsoft deprecated ie. The ie compatibility in edge doesn't work for those things at all.

so i can still play moshi monsters? lol

There are a few departments at my job that depend on Pale Moon, because they use a service that only runs in it. This was even before Internet Explorer got put out of our misery. Hurrah for government ineptitude.