How Much a Dirt Late Model Team Costs to Operate in 2023, owner shares real numbers

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What does it cost these days to go big time dirt late model racing? We'll look at the numbers, plus talk weekend racing including a big win for Brian Brown, an All Star sweep of the Outlaw weekend, Robert Ballou ruffling feathers, and the end for a legend.
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Today's Topics:
0:00 Coming up today
0:25 Last call for 30% off merch
0:50 Costs revealed to go dirt late model racing
5:13 Brian Brown gets signature victory
6:16 Outlaw weekend at Port Royal
7:21 Bobby Pierce sweeps
7:32 Hunt the Front crowns first series champion
8:01 Super Dirt Week plagued by wet weather
8:19 Justin Grant wins at Lawrenceburg, Robert Ballou comments
9:15 Dave Darland retiring
9:45 See you tomorrow!

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@driver8703 10 ай бұрын

That cost is why I was always thrilled to just make the show with Comp Cams super dirt and get a top 10 or 15 with my 3 year old car, 7k engine, 2 sets of multiple race used tires, non adjustable shocks, and just me, my dad, and 1 or 2 helpers. But now they let shocks and aero get so out of hand that I don’t think that would be very possible these days.

@russelldevane5434 15 күн бұрын

Why did you stop doing it?

@driver8703 14 күн бұрын

@@russelldevane5434I got a job where the schedule was impossible to make racing work. And also in my area Supers all but died apart from the comp cams series, racing a couple times in west Memphis and Harrisburg AR wasn’t worth keeping up with it. They replaced all the supers with crates on the weekly level and I’d rather just quit altogether than race a crate car

@billfarmer8654 10 ай бұрын

You always have fresh ideas that interest me. I think you do an extraordinary job putting your stories together and thankfully you keep your content pretty consistent time wise.

@sk8077 10 ай бұрын

The cost is why we only have 30 or so super lates left in central pa. Central pa tracks have gone all in on 410s and turned their backs on support divisions other than wing things..

@johncalla2151 10 ай бұрын

Justin I played tire changer late Friday night in a dimly-lit Conoco gas station parking lot. And after a mere two hours I was on my way again with all fingers and toes attached. But I think I will be sticking with my software career for now.

@randyjones6270 10 ай бұрын

Great reporting enjoy your commentary, on the late model cost. Keep doing what you are doing it is first class!!

@mikepriceup 10 ай бұрын

Congrats Dave Darlin on a great career. 👍

@RegularJoes 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Justin!

@davidburchfield2720 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Justin great video buddy

@ezduzit4009 10 ай бұрын

Just makes Clauson's 200 races in a season goal that much more amazing. And he would have made it if not for the tragedy.

@seanwilson9117 10 ай бұрын

To me, he sort of has a point with the 5k and 7k to win purses. When I first started going to dirt races (July 8th, 2000 at Tazewell Speedway) it was a Southern All-Stars show for 5k to win. That was a regional series, not even a major national and things certainly cost more now than they did then.

@jeffperry7971 10 ай бұрын

Great show!

@joedale-6098 10 ай бұрын

my estimate is in line with yours. However i wonder how these teams can afford new haulers quite often. have seen many rigs for sale lately for 700,000 plus. this would be a good topic. thank you for being here for we fans.

@robbiejorgensen4142 4 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that the waiting list for s and s toters is so long teams can sell their nice used rigs for a good chunk of change. That’s probably why.

@teresagoodwin7458 10 ай бұрын

LOVE the content on the super late models. I knew it was extremely expensive but I think a million is actually low because if teams are starting out,they have to get a toter home and trailer plus gas and maintenance for it plus insurance for not just the toter homes but gas and tires in case of a blowout. Plus extra parts and whole engines!! It's truly ridiculous not including the crew at home and the crew that travels with the race car. It truly adds up quickly but it's so worth it. DIRT TRACK RACING is the BEST SPORT ON THE PLANET ESPECIALLY SUPER LATE MODEL'S 🏁🏆🏁💞🤗💞🙏

@susanmcgalliard7885 10 ай бұрын

Just wondering what’s there saying about Macri as the 71 was a no show for Saturday nights race plus it was mentioned that there were lots of rumors floating around the pits Saturday night , Shatz looked real bad all three nights , just so sad to see Donnie run like that and don’t believe it’s Donnie’s fault!

@slats85 10 ай бұрын

You’re Killing me Smalls. Love the shirt.

@SeanMiller-wd5rs 10 ай бұрын

Blackjack Brian Brown won $62,000 to b xact there was $2,000 added to the purse just b4 the 50 Lap A-Main Feature Race Event of the TUSKY "50"

@riccocool 10 ай бұрын

No one has ever been passed more and won.

@robbiejorgensen4142 4 ай бұрын

In the grand scheme of things super late model team owners are like weekly racers in the sense they do it because they love racing and do it for fun knowing they won’t make money. Maybe break even some nights. They just have more money to play with.

@brentwilmot8431 10 ай бұрын

This is why I think we need less $50-100k to win races that pay 2k to start. More $30k to win races that are 5k to start would make for a much healthier sport and the fields....WOULD BE THE SAME ...THE CROWDS....WOULD BE THE SAME

@Bergnutz 10 ай бұрын

It's only a matter of time before it runs its course, dirt racing doesn't get the big tv deals and the big corporations looking to sponsor teams soon car counts will drop

@coltonhurley2525 28 күн бұрын

What it boils down to and i love these cars and still in my head i want one but the sky high costs of the cars themselves topped with the costs per night to run them are what is killing them. Im here in western ohio and you dont hardly see any late mods, its all super stocks and modifieds. The average joe that used to be able to afford a late mod is dropping classes so they can actually afford to race

@AXIDNT66 10 ай бұрын

Justin, do you have contacts/info to discuss the costs of operating at a more entry level? Since these cost videos are quite interesting, it could be interesting to look at the prices for more... "attainable" equipment/programs. Sort of on that note, one thing I've been curious about is the buying/operating costs of a 305 sprint vs a crate sprint vs a limited sprint like the Pacific Northwest runs, and why it seems some areas stick with one of those over the others even when nearby areas run a different formula.

@Pinsonneaultmotorsports Ай бұрын

Here in Canada you can easily find a late model for around 8k to 14k cad

@jeffmill6683 10 ай бұрын

What shocked me was the costs were lower than I thought they would be. The days of racing like we did using your pay check are almost long gone.

@no1likeDW 10 ай бұрын

sounds about right i was thinking a roller cost was closer to 75,000 to 120,000 depending upon which chassis you went with. with alot of teams being at a loss as far as winnings go how are they coming out on there taxes is alot of it just a tax rightoff for the owner and do they come out ahead due to taxes ive never understood that i know racing like hobby stocks is considered a hobby and is a write off does the same go for these big race teams if so does that not mean they come out ahead come tax season ?

@user-ex6yf5oh2t 10 ай бұрын

How does the cost per team effected by having 2 teams in sprint cars?

@chadzeiders8293 10 ай бұрын

I've been thinking about how Grant has just been so much faster than everyone in just about everything!!!

@braddougan1919 10 ай бұрын

IMO quite few drivers and teams this offseason are gonna crunch the numbers at the end of the season and say we can no longer afford to race and its not feasible anymore!

@stevendobney9018 9 ай бұрын

On the later model racing yer you can do it on the cheap but when team spend lots of money on engines and better equipment you not got a chance to pick up win and title that get you money to keep racing

@devonmangiarelli3886 10 ай бұрын

They should have a weekend where the rules get loosened quite a bit but they allow full open tire rule. I think it's be insane to see some big time guys go to tracks they been to and shatter records or at least match 410 sprint records.

@mikejones-jk3ts 9 ай бұрын

I thought they said they was going to keep racing down no u-dub somebody just need to quit running your car on the track and they'll do 12 things close the track or lower the prices

@ramostott190 10 ай бұрын

Hard to believe that sprint car video was almost a year ago...

@DIRTRACKR 10 ай бұрын

Right? Time flies...

@lancejohnson5748 10 ай бұрын

Yep you need about 500,000 a year in expenses and if you finish outside the top 3 your losing money 💰 most all dirt late model car owners are losing money ever weekend.

@Luke_81 9 ай бұрын

This is what happens when a very small number of people are doing it for a living mixed in with a large number of people doing this as a hobby. The math doesn't math for the professional people, at least in their own mind. The truth is the fans would be just as happy to watch the top drivers race each other in 20 year old Rayburns with 20k engines

@mikejones2830 10 ай бұрын

Nobody ever mentions that if you research the car owners and research alot of the sponsors on there cars you will see that they own those companies and racing is a huge tax rideoff for those companies

@mikejones2830 10 ай бұрын

And always have a trucking company sponsor so they can riteoff the hauler aswell

@clemzahrobsky2137 10 ай бұрын

in racing after so many years you have to show a profit or the IRS says it is a hobby

@jamietwigg4845 10 ай бұрын

@@mikejones2830 Toters are tagged RV's

@gastruckin9314 10 ай бұрын

@@mikejones2830 The hauler is a write off for the race team. They use the trucking companies for the fuel discounts at large truck stops.

@taterkuhn5048 10 ай бұрын

@@clemzahrobsky2137 or an addiction! Lol

@chriscooper715 10 ай бұрын

HTF!!

@tMatt5M 10 ай бұрын

Imagine being so rich you can burn 800,000k a year on a racecar.

@Ever443 10 ай бұрын

That’s the thing. Rick Hendricks once said. “ how do you make a million dollars racing? You start with 2million”. That certainly rings true. Of course he is the exception, it is a mind boggling amount that it costs to race.

@laps8316 10 ай бұрын

It’s a big tax write off. For most if not all big racing teams

@tMatt5M 10 ай бұрын

@@laps8316 interesting. I've never considered that before

@joelkoricich1771 10 ай бұрын

How many of these guys race would be racing without KZfaq revenue? Like the HTF crew. Is their KZfaq bread that lucrative? One million/year to run a car? And that doesn't even include salaries.

@kyleolson279 10 ай бұрын

I'm actually surprised a team like Viper who hasn't had a good year at all with decent sponsorship will break even on operating expenses. Dirt racing is probably the only form of motorsport left where the teams can make good money if they consistently run up front and have good sponsorship. None of the NASCAR teams are profitable. Hendrick Motorsports even loses money. Jeff Gordon said they haven't been profitable in years.

@chuckg6039 10 ай бұрын

If you can't make a profit, then find another job or business.

@scott1708 10 ай бұрын

Jeff Gordon is still earning a paycheck. Let me know when he takes a pay cut for the longevity of the team.

@lancejohnson5748 10 ай бұрын

Better run in the top 3 ever race

@kyleolson279 10 ай бұрын

@@lancejohnson5748 Yep, you do have to run up front for sure. But I'm just surprised with as bad a year Viper has had they're actually pretty close to breaking even (on operating expenses) with just their race earnings. They've barely run the top 10 this year. All the NASCAR teams came out last year and said they haven't turned a profit in many years. You can probably run a top dirt late model operation on 10% (maybe even less) of the annual budget of a NASCAR Truck team. National DLM and WoO Sprint Cars are the best bang for your buck for motorsports team owners.

@lancejohnson5748 10 ай бұрын

@@kyleolson279 I have always owned my own stuff in drag race and dirt late model with very little help for sponsor money or at the shop but I don’t get to race a lot got to do a lot of my own work but now it’s out of hand for the blue collar worker . Everyone buys the tech now and if your not spending a lot with the right chassis builders and engine builders your push out of the game .

@woofersd2383 10 ай бұрын

HTF needs to rethink Drive Off. When is the last time they have come back to the pits, with 3 bald tires? Until they put on fresh stickers, and blow the left rear because of running it past the cords, they won’t figure out Drive Off. They need to let Jorden take over the setups. Young man reminds me of Rumly.

@LoganGibson 10 ай бұрын

Many times….