Out of genuine curiosity and a need for information were these at immediate access or were some in your pack thank you man.

i bet there were guys asking you for mags when they ran out too!

Same for me in Afghanistan. I'd carry ten extra mags in my pack.

Yeah I'm not planning on going to either Iraq, nor Afghanistan. If America sees that level of combat....we're going to have way worse things to kill us than just gun fights. Starvation, disease, etc. Odds of most of us even surviving a firefight where we reload once or twice is pretty damn slim

@@danahowerton9638 I kept 6 on my flak (2 double mag pouches, 2 single mag pouches) and I moved them more to my sides so I could get lower to the ground if I had to go prone. So 6 on my flak, 1 in my weapon and 8 in my private purchased assault pack. And FYI my assault pack, which I still have and use, is the Spec Ops THE Pack.

Welcome home ❤

@@jeffreygreene7574 Thank you!

Hell u were probably also carrying a 100 round belt also for the machine gunner… loaded down like a pack mule

@@carlkidd9571 Also 2 radio batteries...

🎯🎯🎯 Those are some wise words from a wise man. And wisdom comes from experience

During night time small boat insertions where the entire thing win or lose is resolved with a handful of weapon discharges it's absolutely critical to carry 12 magazines + another 8 for your pistol so you can just sink and die efficiently if you fall.

Speaking as a sea goung bell hop (Marine), you put a water proof bag in your pack and seal it with a twist tie. Now your pack floats. Idc if I'm on a carrier, if I'm feet wet, I have that bag in my pack.

That's funny as F...

Naw because your plate carrier has you fubar regardless of mag load out in both cases lol

😂

Per the Fat Electrician: "Caffeine, nicotine, and hate" should get you through the rest...😂

@@piratecat990 yup. I was gonna add nicotine to his short list. You beat me to it

....Rifle

My WWII Father always said that.! ✳️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐✳️👍

You just lost the war son because you forgot the motrin 😂

I figured how to carry 16+ mags, if needed, on my RRV while maintaining only 2mags per pouch on the front 4 pouches so going prone isn’t keeping me up too high Now to up PT and rucking. Just found a nice trail for rucking that’s 28.2 miles long one way!

having just got back from a nice rain-soaked hump and observing all the overflowing ponds and creeks around here, I couldn't help but chime in that sometimes water is easily replenished, ammo, not so much. 😉

Yeah, water is a MUST!!! I always pack 3-4 granola bars if I really get the munchies while hunting. But no kidding. You definitely need to pack water and carbs. You can't eat or drink ammo in reality. A decent pack load is really important to consider beforehand. I'm prepping, but lack body armor right now

@@brettnecessary2266 I used to rock a plate carrier but sold it to buy belt kit. If I was you I would avoid body armour and get belt kit like ALICE or SMERSH instead.

And some gum. I gotta have gum.

They do say "I was carrying too much." And also say "I wasn't carrying enough X" where X isn't ammo. Everyone wants more of everything! Everyone wants to be weighed down less. This is not a simple dilemma.

So there I was playing escape from tarkov, I had at least a 1000rds of 556 plus my m4, plus the 12 other guns I was carrying as loot. My stamina bar was draining so fast. One thing I was thinking was I wish I didn't carry all this ammo.

I feel like I'd be that guy just to agitate my sergeant.

and it gets lighter fast, as you consume it.

That's how I feel about the plate carrier too. I love his videos but don't understand why he always says not to bother? I feel like 6 pounds of armor is well worth it's weight when it could save your life.

@@iplayfenderbass1 depends upon the situation. for most real-world minuteman stuff, it does not make sense.

Nothing is saving you in an ambush by a group. The best way to stay out of an ambush is to not do patrols. This isn't Band of Brothers.

@@Murderface666 all the veterans who've survived ambushes prove you wrong. There is more than one way to avoid being ambushed as well.

"I never heard of anyone complaining about having too much ammo in a fight" - Clint Smith

Skullcap a cool guy. Aside from youtube land.

What fantasy fight are people here seriously excepting beyond the retard looking to rob you at a gas-station?

I regularly hear it put in the format of “you never have too much ammo… unless you’re drowning or on fire”

This💯

17 mags, so 510 rounds? Damn. That's enough ammo to get you through just about any firefight. My personal setup is 12 mags on the plate carrier, 1 in the gun, 4 on the battle belt and 3 spares in my pack. But my setup is for a G3 platform (PTR-91) load so I'm carrying 400 rounds of 3-0-Hate.

@shockwave6213 I have to admit that I'm either carrying the patrol pack (with water onboard) OR the hydration pack, not both at the same time. So, at most, 14 mags (420 rnds). Your 3-0-hate is a heavier load, in a few ways! 👍😉

and when you run out you'd give anything fo rmore

@@mtnbound2764 My dad was also a war vet, he told me before going in that if I was ever in a firefight I'd truly understand the pucker factor. I think that was a pretty good description, what a cluster fuck feeling :)

You run out of ammo and it’s no longer a gunfight for you.

Just thinking about a time I did run out of ammo makes me feel sick! After that experience I always had 12-15 loaded mags. Pockets full of ammo, ammo everywhere! That time I did run out of ammo was terrifying and a helpless feeling I never want to experience again!

@@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 Knife fighting during a gun battle is bad for the health ^5

I wonder if those guys were in Somalia. Because all the Delta guys who ever talked about that day talk about running low in ammo and scrambling to scrounge up ammo or sending guys to retrieve ammo dropped out of helicopters, pre-speedball days. 3 things that stick out from their talks was water, ammo, and never leave behind the NVG.

​@thmsmgnm the movie doesn't do the book justice, and the book (as I discovered in my youth) is an invaluable source of info regarding the reality of urban firefights - even for the uninitiated civvie. I still have that book 25 years later.

Please continue the rant - good advice there!

The average CCW actually needs zero. I get the logic behind carrying extra ammo, but real life picking up plants at Home Depot and driving to and from work is not the freaking Tet Offensive

As a medic in Ramadi I carried 8 mags on vest and another 12 in my aidbag which was also my assault pack. I carried 2 frags , 1 incinderary 1 smoke and 4 pop flares. I also had my m9 and 4 mags. Add one mag in the gun. Water was a camelback on my vest 100oz and another in my aid bag. I also carried a water bottle which had salts in it. IV fluids I had 2 1L bags and then 3 heta 500ml. Then still all my bandages. It was a heavy load but at that time in Ramadi the air was black and you most likely not be able to call in a medevac. It was all ground and we walked everywhere all day and night. The only resupply we had was the cop and no one was walking out to resupply you and no heli was coming to drop you more supply. Definitely earned my back pain that deployment.

@@fistmedicinedoc3624 All of my shit weighed around 105#'s. I listed a minimum loadout for an assault. Load would be METT-TC dependent. As Randall has pointed out many times. Lotta of the SF dudes step off light for some of what they do. I carried what I did because it was a little more than what the average dude carried on an ODA, which has two Deltas. We had alot of support as well. Whereas a line medic carries a much larger loadout. As part of a larger element. All that said, there were also times where I had to hump everything for a two week bounce in the boonies. Everything is mission dependent Brother. Salute to you as a Combat Medic Brother. I started in 1979, when shit was alot different. I had a Son who was a Manchu in Ramadi. He is one of the 22 now. Glad you made it home.

@@fistmedicinedoc3624 Back being fucked goes along with the job. Just had my 5th spine surgery.

@@Nobody13325The VA actually admitted that your back injury is service connected?!

@@BluesStraightFromTheHarp Yes they did. However, I was in an incident that fucked me up as well. It also took alot of time and arguement to get it.

How many rounds in the mag?

agreed, never served im 53 next month training best i can.

@@KYAg227 We'll as a former grunt, patrolling will get you killed, because you're the one moving. There's videos that prove it. When Kardashianstan (Armenia) and Azerbaijan were going at it, Azerbaijan soldiers ambushed an entire platoon, laying them all dead in well under a minute. In Israel, Palestinians posted a video recently where 3 Israeli soldiers got ambushed, eating a hail of bullets. Only one attempted to fight back, because the Palestinians thought he was dead. One of the soldiers freaked out and tried to run after seeing the lead guy flop. So if you're patrolling, you're just asking to be a target. Eyes attract to irregular things moving.

Citizens, never civilians. Don't use that term made up by the military, to make soldiers think they're better than us. Nobody is more important than the US citizen.

​@@Murderface666 sounds kinda like hunting honestly. Everything else is gonna find you first if you go stomping around through the woods, you sit and wait. And if you move, you move carefully and quietly to the next concealed position so you can be the one to find the game, or the enemy, moving and be able to see them first so you can plan and actually do something.

More years ago than I will admit, I was a leg infantry squad leader. You would not be able to get me into theater with only 4 mags. It would take a hell of a lot more than that to even consider going near the wire, let alone outside of it.

I get your point but a poncho liner dont weigh nothing.

@@JeffHanauer light weight yes, but they took up so much space. I always choose food over the poncho liner if we were going to be out for long. You can put a lot of ramen or rice in the space that a poncho liner takes up.

I’m here to tell you brother, that woobie fits into your cargo pouch.

@@blackhawk7r221 Yep, you can shove that in there and give all of the wait a minute vines something extra to grab hold of. Not to even mention what it would have smelled like after being submerged in a swamp for a couple hours. Mosquito net and that green towel was enough for the few hours of sleep we got at night.

I second all that.

😂😂😂 you sir, rock!

Radio Flyer resupply is actually pretty fucking rad. I like it.

@joshuajones6513 that's exactly the ol' red wagon I was thinking about as I wrote that.

@@KirkHermary I know. We old folks are still out here.

So so true. The only thing I do differently is I use a clip to hook two mags together (Both facing up). Three reasons over the D60. 1. Much much cheaper. 2. Easier to replace a damaged mag to keep the unit running. 3. The spare mags fit in standard ammo pouches. Yes there’s a mag change, but it’s very fast. Not saying the D60 isn’t a great idea, just another method.

MagPull 40s and a +5 Extender plate.

@@donaldleggett you don't find that Combo to be a bit too long for use with a bipod?

@@abnmp7865 that is a viable option too

Whats the vid title? Couldnt find it viewing your channel. Great idea by the way, think I'll have to build one. Always thought those binary triggers were stupid till now.

Facts

Make it real interesting and make it 80 proof fifths!!!

Using beer as a prop speak to me on a spiritual level.....well I guess beer in general does 🤷‍♂

I think he was my brothers CSM in 3rd Ranger BN in the late 80s. He submitted a training plan where all of the Rangers were shot in the leg with a 22 - then ruck march, so they knew what it was like.

​@@OldMusicFan83wtf are you talking about

No lie about the water. You could drink a quart in 15 minutes and still be dehydrated in Iraq. And that's without moving around.

Amen amen and amen brother

8 mags on rig + 1 in the gun and exactly enough ammo in the pack to reload all primary mags once, some of said ammo usually in spare mags for emergency use or a quick refit.

@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce Yeah pretty much in any configuration thereof, if you wanna carry 8-10 more loaded mags in your day/ patrol pack too, do it, whatever works and fills the need of a proper combat load plus.

At that point just quit the damn war. Sheesh. How are your knees and back?

@@User78813 Ahhh no these are practical TTP's for adequate operational load capacity. There is a difference to a combat/ patrol load and a sustainment load (with a large Rucksack). Operational practices are to stage your sustainment load once at your established PB/ OP/ COP/ whatever and then regulate equipment for priority only for patrol load, so you're shedding weight and staying as light as possible while having what you need with you. A combat/ patrol load is nothing compared to a full sustainment load moving on foot, your knees and back should not be hurting at all with a patrol load.

Still the same most Australians will still carry as much ammo as possible regardless of what some of our directives are.

And that vest with only 4 mag pouches is still the issued tac vest today (they tell you to use the side pouches, but it's not really ideal). Now you see a lot of guys just pay out of pocket for their own vest/plate carrier/chest harness to make up for shortcomings in our kit.

@@kutter_ttl6786 My second time to Afg I had bought (from CP Gear) 2, 2xmag envelope-style mag holders that wedge behind the basic pouch on one side and the water bottle on the other. This, with the one on the rifle, would provide 9 mags fairly handy. This kept the basic pouch relatively free for other needed items. Mag storage for the Browning was another issue...

But, John Wick had cheat codes, for ammo, health and such ; )

Especially coming out of your own mouth.

@@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 That will never happen

when you are back on your side of the wire getting chow and some zees

This right here. You shouldn't need twelve mags for home defense. I have a four mag chest rig staged with my HD rifle... But serious SHTF usage? 100%. As much ammo as possible is the way.

You need as much ammo as you can realistically physically carry for assaults/raids, ambushes, etc, especially if you're operating as a partisan/guerrilla in a small unit in an asymmetrical fight.

@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce agreed, only thing is a lot of things will play into how much you can bring.. are you using vehicles or not , how far do you have to go.. how many are in the squad you’re working with.. things like that.. in my mind though the most important things are Ammo then water, some medical, but I guess that’s why I’m a unit some guys carry different amounts of something then others, in your personal preparing you have to do it all and that’s why it can get complicated

​@RedDawnReadiness it truly is a slow process of stocking and training, stocking and training. Both can pay dividends even without SHTF too which makes the whole prep process easier to stomach as a way to spend stupid amounts of cash.

SOG had full auto guns. I really wonder how this mag dump relates to the semi.

@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 also we're not in 'Nam.

Realistically, it sounds like the SOG guys were probably toting 12-16 30 rounders for combat patrol, you could probably cut down on that to about 8-10 because A. Boogaloo boys rarely have machine guns and 2. Ruggedized, serious optics have gone mainstream which means targets will be easier to reach out and touch without dumping as much unnecessary ammo

​@@sheepherder911fyi they didnt have 30 round mags yet only 20s. And they would carry upwards of 30+ mags in addition to claymores, grenades, sidearms and a few rations

@@sheepherder911 no sir. Ten thirty rounders and about twenty 20 rounders. They would take four canteen covers and put one 30 rounder and five 20 rounders in each, and a lot of guys would run a Chicom chest rig with more 30’s. Plus something like 20 grenades for some. The ammo those guys went through was insane.

Dude, how many shootings have you been in as cop. I heard Col. Hackworth give that same advice once and it is stupid advice for a cop. Unless, you are on the Southern border and you get ambushed by a cartel. You are never going to need that much ammo as a cop. The north HollyWood shootout would not have needed that much ammo. Remember, there is no collateral damage as a cop. If the they can fry you they will. Stay focused on your job it is dangerous enough as it is.

@supertrooper7403 Thank you. I love that movie. I should watch it right meow.

German here. I never served in the army or anything like that, I am a complete layman when it comes to guns, tactics etc. and even I understand the importance of ammo. And any comment in the direction of 'just aim properly' seems absolutely, totally and completely stupid to me. By the way, one of my grandfathers served as a pioneer in the 6th Army and went all the way through Poland and the USSR to Stalingrad and then, as far as I know, quite a bit of the way back. He was one of the last soldiers escaping the closing cauldron, because his commanding officer loved his men more than the 'Führer' - apparently he 'misread' an order in a way that allowed him to remove the complete platoon (I guess? The german word is 'Zug', which meant up to 60 soldiers) from the line of battle, 'acquired' some trucks in order to 'get material' and then was smart enough to put his small convoy directly behind a transport of wounded soldiers on the last open road. I am quite sure I would not be here, writing this comment, without this man, because although they were _still_ deep in Russia and deep in the s...now, they at least had a better chance of survival than those poor bastards in the cauldron. I mean, even if they did not get killed im combat, starved or froze to death, from 110.000 soldiers who were taken prisoner of war, less than 6.000 came back from Siberia. He later got badly wounded and then got redeployed to France, Normandy, where he went into war captivity. Damn, imagine, there is even a possibility that your grandfather captured mine. By the way, as far as I was told by my father, my grandfather had not one good word left for General Paulus. Sorry for this wall of text and thanks for your patience and interest in case you've made is this far, but I thought I share that story.

@@Furzkampfbomber It's all good man. I also had family fighting with Germany and the Axis powers. At the time, my family consisted of American immigrants, Croatians and Italians. Members of each nationality took part in WW2, so they were everywhere. I don't know much about other sides of my family other than those in the States, but I do know that I had family fighting in the 13th Waffen Mountain Division(1st Croation), which was composed of many different nationalities. Anything is possible my friend. My Grandfather who was in the US army had many roles during WW2. He was a scout in an M8 Greyhound, he was an MP, was part of a mortar platoon and even spent some time as one of General Patton's aids. He even walked his dog for him. Unfortunately though my Grandfather didn't tell me much. It seems like any time he would try, he just couldn't even speak. He met his wife in Europe who was in the Women's Army Core of medics. They came back home after the war and she died young at the age of 32 and I never met her.

@@jamesjl334My grandfather was the same, he did not speak much about the war, which both of our grandfathers have in common with many, if not most war veterans. I guess even talking about the war in general or about positive things (like the comradry or funny stories, which happen even in war, woke sleeping dogs in form of so many really bad memories. And I mean, holy crap, that war was terrible even in comparison to other wars, but there were events that were... even more gruesome than that war was in general. Names like Montecasino, Nanking, Omaha Beach invoke especially bad collective memories and Stalingrad surely is amongst them. And its quite interesting to hear about that bit of your family history and how parts of your family were practically everywhere and even fought on _both_ sides. Which shows once more how insane this war was. And I know about that dividion, it's name was 'Handschar', apparently named after (I had to look the english word up) a traditional persian curved dagger. May I ask if at least parts of your family are or were muslim? I am asking because the 1rst Croatian was a (mostly) muslim SS division. It's full name was 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS, so it was a specialised division of the Waffen SS. This is by no means meant judgmental in any way, shape or form, I know the Waffen SS had a horrifying reputation in general for a reason, but SS soldier was not SS soldier, there were huge differences between different divisions, bataillons etc. and between single soldiers - it's just that I am a bit of a history buff and I am especially interested in military history, so this is just quite the amazing and interesting historical tidbit for me. My dad is a doctor and two decades ago, it turned out that in my city quite a lot of WW2 vets were stll alive (and many of them my dads patients, that's why I know this) and even more surprising, really _a lot_ of them were veterans who fought in Africa under Rommel. They had really interesting stories to tell and your story falls into the same category. Which, by the way is also true for what you've told about that family member of yours that walked Pattons dog. Alright, I guess I should stop here, this already is quite the wall of text, but this conversation and what you have to tell is just too interesting!

@@Furzkampfbomber They were Christian and it's all good. War brings out the worst in people as we all know. Atrocities were committed by all units I'm sure. I've personally seen people killed in real life and have had bullets come my way as well, though I do not believe I was the actual target. I grew up in what you might call a bad place. Your stories are very interesting as well and I always love reading about family history. I wish we could learn more, but unfortunately it's just not possible. For example, my Grandmother had close to twenty siblings during the great depression. Their family was too poor to provide for all of them, so many were sent to go work on farms. In the States at least and during the depression, Fathers and Mothers would send their children away to farms where the children would work basically as slaves. They would be provided food and shelter in return for 12 hour or more days in the sun, picking fruit and harvesting other crops by hand. When the depression was over, many of them returned home. Fast Forward to WW2, mostly if not all of them were drafted or enlisted in the Armed services. From what I've been told, none of them made it home. Only my Grandmother, which met my Grandfather over in Europe. I know almost nothing about these ancestors. Most of what I know is about my grandfather. One of the few stories he told me didn't involve any death or destruction. A unit needed Mortar men. They had him load a fire one round. He hit the target dead on and blew it up. They said to him, "you're hired!" The worst story he ever told me was when he had a few drinks in him. And let me be clear that he never drank. He told me how a handful of men in his unit were sleeping and a Sherman tank drove over them and killed them. One event like that is enough to screw some one up for life. Imagine living it for 2-5 years. One fucked up situation after another. A person will never heal.

It is better to have them in mags, if you can get extras. Canned or loose ammo is better than nothing. If you have a pause, in a few minutes you can reload some mags.

@IntoTheVoid1981 That makes sense! Thank you! Maybe a small can for an extra 240 rds 😁

@@briangrant2005 In AFG I used to have 10 mags on me for my M4, and around 300 loose ammo in a bag in my backpack.. I had my AK in the Humvee, with 10 mags and two 75 rds drums, a collapsible bipod and an AMD muzzle brake. We used this AK as a LMG. I had a M203 on my M4, I carried smoke and illum, but I had 9 DP with me in a bandolier, and 5-8 in my backpack. Plus my sidearm, a 9 mm with two mags. And a M9 LanCay bayonet. I am not american, so we were issued another types of firearms too. We had M4, AK, PKM, M249B, NSVT, DShK, M2HB, Mk19, RPG, M24, SVD, Glock 17, and a certain type of anti-material rifle I wouldn't name, because it instantly gives away from where I am coming. 😅

@@IntoTheVoid1981 sounds like you like to party 🥳🥳🥳

At least it’s not Bud Light. Transheiser Bush quality has hit rock bottom. 😂

@@lookingbehind6335 I will level with you. Normal Budweiser was the best of what I have locally that was still cheap. I miss it. I haven't had any since The Incident. So I'm all in on Leinenkugel. Which I'm sure is also Leftist but at least they are not shoving weirdos in my face. Today.

@@woodsghost9088 Miller Lite has been my go to for 30 years. When us Joe’s were broke, Keystone was on the menu. While at Ft. Campbell we used to drink swill named Red Dog. Only.50 cents per bottle in the early 90’s. Great times they were.😆

@@lookingbehind6335 😂 Desperate times call for desperate measures.

@@lookingbehind6335 We drank a lot of Bud Ice longnecks in Korea in the 90's. There was a one case per day ration on beer purchases due to the black market at the time.

From what I gather, their position was such that they wouldn’t have won even with unlimited ammo. They were outnumbered about 3 to 1 (or 4 to 1 once Luttrell was out of the fight, 6 to one after Murphy went down…) by an enemy with belt-feds, RPGs, elevated position, and native knowledge of the terrain. They were compromised before their boots hit the ground, spotted before or around the same time as they ran into the goat herders, and really out of luck with the noose tightening all the time.

@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 Yes to all. They were screwed before they even left base. The operational commander ignored everything the Marines told him about operating in that area, and how to do a proper insertion (by vehicle, dropped off 5 miles out, walk in all under cover of darkness) to truly go unnoticed. Instead, the operational cimmander chose to do a fast rope/helo insert, only 200 meters from the objective, which compromised the team to begin with. Then factor in that the team should have been at least 8 men if not the 10 that the Marines had done it with, and that the 4 Seals themselves had no prior experience operating in Afghanistan and none of them had any combat experience either. The ehole thing was a shit show.

⁠@@scout3058holy shit they had no combat experience? I’ve seen the movie but also read the book and I must of spaced that if he even mentioned it I guess I just assumed they had been in that situation before since they’re commanders were so quick to place them in that spot

@joshuairvin6015 Negative. If I remember correctly Murphy and Axelson had previously been in Iraq but saw minimal action there. Deitz and Luttrell had no experience and had only been trained to do SDV work (underwater delivery onto land/ships etc). He doesn't mention any of that in his book. All of these details have since come out in DOD documents and recountings from other SF troops that part of Operation Anaconda. Essentially the Marines of 2/9 (I think it was 2/9) were supposed to do the mission but the Navy guy in charge in that area threw an ego driven hissy fit and refused to give support to the Marines (160th SOAR). He insisted that Seals do it because he was trying to get promoted or some shit. And the Marines as well as Gulab confirmed that the amount of fighters that Shaw actually had was around 10, not the 200 that Luttrell claims in his book. Shaw was an extremely low level guy, not the Taliban General Luttrell made him out to be. Lastly, when Axlesons body was finally recovered 10 days later, the recovery crew reported that he had at least 3 to 4 days of beard growth meaning he was alive and left up there alone, to die over a few days. The whole shit show was a display of bad decision on top of bad decision. The comms...the Marines had been on that mountain numerous times already and told the Navy that the comms they planned wouldn't work. The Seals had no PACE plan set up for comms either. If you think all this is bad research John Chapman/Roberts Ridge/Brit Slabinski MOH scandal.

I'm retired 8 years now; I can't carry a full load out anymore. Going lighter and lighter. Going to Castle Up if true SHTF. I have several heavy weight rifles for intruding vechiles, and 30 Carbines for my ladies. I doubt many of us could turn back a mob style attack, or prevent being burned out, etc. It's a question of how many want to pay the price up front? I have always been struck by a WWI vetrans advice: "if you haven't finished the deal in 7 rounds or less, you won't be around to see if he has a 30 round mag."

Having experience with old age syndrome, the days of carrying 7+ mags are over. Three mags on person will be where these “minutemen” end up once reality bites.

You will drop the gear and break contact. Minutemen defend the State, not the homestead. Follow his math. return fire/ mag dump; 2 mags go in dump pouch. Bound, then return fire/ mag dump, 2 mags in dump pouch. (4) Bound, then return fire/ mag dump; 2 mags in the dump pouch. (6) Bound, cover the team with base of fire and maybe mag dump, mags into dump pouch. (8) Transition to pistol? I carry 3 pistol mags.