Glad I could help! Keep that belly tight and you will be fine

The issue is short arms

^this

So true so much info yet still concise

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lol I think it's because I spent so much timing bitching about how awful everything felt on the way up. Surprised us both.

I appreciate it. Glad it made a difference.

Much appreciated!

Agreed this Channel's content is very informative and well covered

Thank you sir!

Appreciated big man.

Glad I could help. Much appreciated!

Appreciated!

Thank you! Will keep updates coming.

Much appreciated! Self awareness + patience is all you need.

Thank you, that's the plan!

Fair enough. I'll just say I think It depends who's pulling. Thor's 501kg was smoother than anything Steve Johnson has ever pulled.

Alexander Bromley for that amount of weight,it was damn smooth. I wouldn’t say 100% though,still had that little flex in the knees where the bar almost laid on the quads,kinda like a “double dip” but I agree,depends on who’s pulling. But my bet would be the percentage of PL’s compared to strongmen are gonna be smoother at the end of the day and that’s just cause of rules

Actually, explosive, reactive pulls capitalize on the whip of deadlift bars. Guys that are good can absolutely rip through, but get stapled off the ground on a stiffer bar.

For what it’s worth, most people use the same grip every time. I’ve seen arguments for both sides though

If youve ever tried actually swapping hands you wouldnt even ask this. It is like brushing your teeth with the other hand haha

@@santiagoaguirregaraypintos801 I second this. It's better to just go with 1 and learn that well. I always supinate my left hand and doing it backwards does not feel correct.

Work more on your weakness. Do more rack pulls and deficit deadlifts

Strengthen ur glutes and hamstrings and core.

Thats a good video idea. I'll give you the cliff notes. 1.) Find a 'hinge' movement you can do with equipment available or that doesn't aggravate injury. For me, that has been RDLs, Trap Bar deads, and cambered good mornings. Even light SLDL or RDLS w/ DBs would do. But there has to be some hinge if you want it to carry over to the deadlift. 2.) If you can squat, squat. I really like box squats very slightly above parallel with a 2 count pause and no rocking. When that goes up, my power off the floor does too. Regular pause squats are great, as are safety bar or front squats (hammers the upper back). 3.) Kick the volume up on isolation work, whether it's machines or body weight. Depends on what you have available, but if you don't have access to a barbell or injury is preventing compound movements, you can do isolation stuff DAILY. GHD/Back Extensions, Ham Curls, Reverse Hypers, Nordic Ham Curl Negatives, Glute Bridges, Lunge Variations, Hamstring rollouts, KB Swings, etc.

If you've built a lot of strength pulling that way, it will be difficult to go back and change it. That's the problem I had for years because I didn't want to lose ground by dropping my working weight. It took a few years of consistent practice, but by keeping a RIGID technical ceiling on all my deadlift sets (meaning when form gives, I'm done) I've been able to build a safer and more efficient setup. Also, when I got to the point where I could keep posture with loads that used to crush me, it suggested that my upper back and midsection was WAY stronger.

@@AlexanderBromley cheers for the response mate. Do you do coaching or programs?

It only takes me a couple of minutes to put these up. I drew A LOT as a kid.

@@AlexanderBromley haha It shows!

On a regular bar, the best of the best can double overhand around 700 (i think) and Terry Hollands is often credited with the doh axle record at around 530. Compare that with the world record deadlift (1104) and you can see how doing your deads doh will be great for grip and not much else.

@@AlexanderBromley thanks for the speedy reply.

@@AlexanderBromley How do I avoid biceps injury gripping over/under when I've always deadlifted double overhand? Should I first do some biceps works, or stretching before I trasnition? Do I alterante the orientation of my hands between sets?

My grip strength is world class and I still can't deadlift as much double overhand as I can using other grips. It's completely not viable for long-term training goals (unless used as a grip exercise).

@@yusufonepiece Clarence Kennedy pulls 330 kg double overhand... Not saying you are wrong, because my grip definitely isn't world class so what the fuck do I know, but could you explain to me what I'm missing (besides the fact that I'm not Clarence Kennedy)? Link to video for reference. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZ2KjbahuLnRZmw.html

Yes, change that shitty gym. Barefoot deadlifting is best, i do it only like that and everyone in my gym too.

Just buy deadlifting shoes or get some cheap water socks.

And if you ignored literally the entire video and pretend that humans are simply a collection of basic mechanical levers you might be on to something.

@@DrewLSsix And if you accepted basic biomechanics you might be onto something.

I don't even get what the argument is. I agree with alex and the shorter moment arm is in Alexander's favor as he stated. Then we have this guy coming in talking about ignoring the video and what not, what? The whole reason for him rounding his upper back is to gain reach with his arms in order to have a higher hip position from the start, what are you even pissy about?

'Correct' is a dirty word. There are cues that may or may not make a tangible difference in a given lifter, and that will all depend on the lifters build, where they are stronger/weaker muscularly, their psychology, etc. I think Rip would teach the dead with the shoulders back (retracted like in a bench). Even with the shoulders hanging, you still want to maintain stability in that position, and that can mean actively tensing them against the bar without pulling them back.

Alexander Bromley well I guess I’ll have to try it without pulling them back and see how I perform better. I think I always assumed that was the best way to do it and move the most weight

Most superheavy weight powerlifters are worse at deadlifting than strongmen, typically pulling in the mid to high 800s, whereas almost every top level Strongman is pulling over 900

The weight classes in strongman are substantially underdeveloped relative to the heavies. That being said, there are a few 900lbs pullers in the 105kgs and quite a few guys over 800. Rhiannon Lovelace pulls 600 as a 140 female and several of the women went over 615 on the elephant bar at the Arnold this year. I'd say it holds up.

But you don't see them training all day that way.

Rolling the bar doesn't give a mechanical advantage. If anything it gives you an extra step to potentially mess up.

Unless I misunderstood and you are talking about ramping?

Where did this thing about rolling the bar start? A.) It doesn't change the lift B.) Its allowed in powerlifting. You can give every powerlifter on the planet straps and none will be in contention for the record.

Of the people I talk to, 0%. Of the people I dont talk to.... probably close to 0%.

@@AlexanderBromley I ask because I am a drug free lifter and want to know if I can have a future in the sport being drug free.

@@BigPark51 definitely not in their division, lol

@@Kevin-it4fh why do you say that?

@@BigPark51 cause you're just not going to even come close if you aren't a 1 in a million freak, and even if you are, you'd probably wouldn't go far at all in the actual division. Just not getting the CNS activation and repairing benefits of PEDs.

from what ive seen: as weights get heavier it’s harder to maintain a completely neutral spine, once the upper back starts to round, the lower back typically follows. This happened to me but ever since i started intentionally rounding my upper back (still squeezing lats) it fixed this problem and my low back stayed neutral

Lol yes. I was bloating up to compete in the heavies, but made a last minute decision to drop to 105kg for nationals. Living off spinach and chicken.

Alexander Bromley You look good for it mr bromley

Back rounding and arching is not regulated in powerlifting

@@takashi-lee3943 you mean the rounding back is acceptable?

@@manosgialopoylos165 Yeah there’s no rules against it For safety it’s fine if you’ve gotten used to it; just don’t go from flat back to round back on a max attempt or something like that

The highest deadlift of all-time in powerlifting, in or out of a suit, was Benni Magnusson's 1015. Benni is a strongman. Rogue was putting up 50k for setting an 1100lb deadlift record on the elephant bar, which is higher than any other powerlifting purse in history. Oddly no powerlifters threw their hat in the ring.... Strongmen are unequivocally better deadlifters than powerlifters.

To be clear what defines better

@@ddunn987 what metric could possibly used besides the ability to move more weight?

Alexander Bromley for one I didn’t know if he was taking into consideration hitching and also wilks.

Alexander Bromley also straps.

Doesn't everyone? :)

Had a ton of success recently wrapping with athletic tape and covering with a patella strap.

I feel your pain but you are ultimately going to be disappointed! I don't cite studies because my information doesn't come from them. It comes from talking to high performers, reading from the best coaches, getting a consensus of what works among the best athletes I know and compete against. You hit the nail on the head with regards to the limitations of formal studies in this field; all of the studies are poor and can't lead to meaningful conclusions for how to train competitive athletes. This is the reason everyone still cites Soviet Olympic lifting data from 60 years ago, because that level of investigation has never been reproduced. Because the academic field is so far behind, it would be in your best interest to be weary of any 'authority' who relies too much on formal studies; there just isn't enough in them to make up a fraction of what we know from experience. Rippetoe actually does a very succinct write up on it at the beginning of Practical Programming. I reccommend it.

Im not talking about either of those things, Im talking about differences in stance and hip position. I dont think you know what 'compare' means. You can compare an elephant to a motorcycle. The word you're looking for is 'equate', which I wasn't doing. BTW, Thors 501 wasn't hitched, his was a grip issue, and everyone who isn't a powerlifter (which is most people) could care less about the role of grip in the deadlift.

@@AlexanderBromley I meant compare as in when u said strongman are better deadlifters. Jamal browner could deadlift more than hafthor conventional at 200lbs lighter. They are no where near the same level. The best deadlifter in powerlifting is 10x more impressive as a puller than the best deadlifter in strongman

@@krisboudreau3475 Jamal Browner cannot deadlift more than Thor conventional or sumo. Even if he could, his unique build makes him an extreme outlier in the entire sport of powerlifting. Strongman, on the other hand, is FLOODED with 1,000lb+ deadlifters. WUS was throwing $100k (bigger than any powerlifting purse in history) to anyone who could break 500kg. I'm curious why not a single powerlifter invested $10 in a pair of straps and tried to take the prize..... Ah yes, because literally none of them are within a mile of it.

@@AlexanderBromley in a powerlifting competition that didn’t allow sumo, Jamal browner would pull more. Not only that, he is 200 lbs lighter. He makes hafthor look like a child. Hafthor failed 948lb in a powerlifting meet. I’ll say it again, u can’t compare a strongman deadlift # to a powerlifting meet deadlift #. Jamal could 100% pull 948 in a meet conventional. At 200lbs lighter. 200 fkn lbs lighter and he’s still stronger.

@@AlexanderBromley You’re out of your tiny fucking mind if you think you can even compare a strongman deadlift to a powerlifting deadlift. Not even mentioning straps, there are 10s maybe even 100s of powerlifters who can get over 1000 to their knees.

I don't know what you mean by 'open up your back'. You mean the round in my upper back by letting my shoulders drop?

@@AlexanderBromley yes

@@The_Practical_Bond To summarize: round in the upper back creates a leverage advantage, hips can start closer to the bar and knee and hip angle starts more open. With my short arms it dramatically increases my starting power because I'm not starting in a, basically, parallel squat. I lock in my upper back by tucking my lats down in that position and focusing on my abdominal brace. My upper back isn't a weak link, so I can maintain that position without it worsening further, though those with issues maintaining back integrity may not be able to. Exaggerating my reach is something I did naturally to work around my build, but I saw it mirrored in basically every 105k strongman I compete with who has an 850-900 pull.

@@The_Practical_Bond In a sport where you win by lifting the most weight, I feel pretty comfortable saying those with the biggest numbers are the 'best. Benni (a strongman) still has the all-time record in powerlifting and there sure weren't any powerlifters looking to throw their hat in the ring when WUS offered $100k to whoever set the new deadlift record.

It's okay m8 how much you lift is not important, if you keep working on it you will eventually reach higher weights. What is most important is that you are woking on yourself

@Gore4ever FulciLives When I said bigger I meant height.

@Gore4ever FulciLives Yes the are taller.

@@hardcorejab no... almost none of them are taller....

@@DrewLSsix Ok.

@Gore4ever FulciLives What ever happened to Andrey Malanichev?

All of those sumo numbers are irrelevant. Strongmen, Oly lifters, bodybuilders, athletes, regular gym rats and at least half of powerlifters do not give a shit about sumo numbers. Youre appealing to a niche within a niche. And no, a suit doesn't add 50kg to your pull. Just tell me you've never worn a suit

@@AlexanderBromley yes, they pull sumo , and so? what's that mean? sumo is a much more difficult lift technic wise, 99.9 of strongman would bull between 50 and 100kg less in sumo than their conv max. half on the strongman wouldn't even be able to set them self up in a proper sumo starting position. Oly doesn't pull sumo cause it's impossible to hit a clean starting from a sumo pull and defenetly. surely dl suit, hitching, figure 8 straps give dozen of pounds to your max and as already sad, Jamal pulled 950 conventional raw , strapless at 240 b.w. a pull that would put him in the top 3-4 between world class strongman while wheighing 100-150 lgs less than them. soooo no, top p.l. lifter still superior on deadlift.

@@ita149750 They don't do sumo because it's a useless developmental tool. Lol "sumo is harder"... that's why the top deadlifters of all time in powerlifting are 220, 242 and 275 sumo pullers? That doesn't exist in bench or squat because strength is the limiting factor in those lifts and that always increases with more body mass. Toes 5' apart, bar locking out on the kneecaps.... sumo is a shitty test of strength that few people care about, which is why no one is offering Krystoff $100k to break Thors record sumo. You are free to think it's really neat that people with a rare blend of long arms and short legs break records because they were able to cut the bar path in half compared to everyone else. But most other people have standards.

@@AlexanderBromley sumo if done correctly and used in the right way is a great tool, as any other lift. for example can be used to improve conventional and viceversa and it's a great hips developer, in fact some strongmen as Shawn and Hall use or have used it in training. If sumo is easier and it's cheating, why didn't any powerlifter use sumo? maybe because it isn't automatically easier but it depends on the lifter leverage, technical capabilities and flexibility? why the strongest puller in the world are the 200-240 lbs sumo puller? it's not because sumo is easier, it's because the gut in of the guys in heavier wheight class mess up their leverages and mobility making deadlift a lot less efficient both sumo and conventional. yes, sumo is a lot more technical and advanced lift than conventional. like or not Mr deadlift has pulled wore wheight than Thor , while being suitless, beltless and wheighing 100kg less than Bjornson. and as Boris sheiko once sad "only weak people thinking sumo is cheating" cause they can't keep up with some one half their size pulling their max for reps, so they need an exuse.

@@AlexanderBromley oh , Dan grigsby has just pulled 487kg in competicion

Best all-time deadlift in powerlifting: 1015 by Benni (a strongman). Best all-time deadlift from the floor done any way: Thor (a strongman) Biggest variety of events that could potentially test deadlift profieciency across different heights, implements, rep thresholds: strongman. Biggest purse offered for a single lift in the history of lifting: WUS offering $100k to anyone who could break Hall's record (oddly no powerlifters threw their hat in the ring). The best strongmen could go to PL Worlds in any fed and put up the biggest DL of the meet (to PL standards) any year. There are basically zero PLers who could throw on a pair of straps and make top 5 at the Deadlift World Championships.

Ah, I forgot to acknowledge the biomechanical efficiency perspective. Yes, it all makes sense now.