I'd love to see a video that goes more into the planetary invasion topic! :D Analyzing other fictional invasion, discussing how one might actual conduct such an operation, or both. Just saying I have interest in the topic.

Ask primitives if they're willing to surrender. If they refuse, drop few rocks. Ask if they reconsider. If not drop few more rocks. Rince and repeat.

Goomich sounds like you have not read the wh40k analysis of the logistics that makes such a method a waste of time and resources compared to a planetary invasion or bombardment.

Spacedock and I thought the invasion of earth to take it from the reapers went bad

Spacedock Can you do a starwars ships vs WH40k ships?

Would you like to know more?

There is always a bottleneck, somewhere...

I've never seen starship troops all the way through. Only caught bits of it on TV. What is the message of the movie?

@@greatsayain humanity sucks at warfare... JK...

@@greatsayain I think it's something like "Robert Heinlein sucks?"

I have got to know the episode that happened in

@@ZigZag-mw9ir Season 9, "The Zygon Inversion". This whole Zygon storyline is an absolute goldmine of quotes really. "You know I'm over 2000 years old. I'm old enough to be your messiah"

@@SaHaRaSquad it’s series 9, season 9 is mid Pertwee (series=revival, season=classic)

My plan is Base Delta Zero followed by another Base Delta Zero first. Then send in recon. Plan more from there.

“If we don’t know what we’re doing then the enemy certain can’t anticipate our actions”-Definitely not from a meme

I was thinking of a NOVA nuke. Just eradicate the entire system. Take no chances for survivors.

Niko Kareno Yes

Niko Kareno They couldn’t take the moon, high charity is their biggest moving ship, and it is only a fraction of the moon, also, human cities would take the natural disasters, most have high sea walls already. Also, taking the moon would require stationary construction and blockade inside the range of remaining orbital defenses.

Niko Kareno Plus, the covenant was weakened and divided, and the tsunamis would just spread the flood further across the planet, turning earth into a flood stronghold.

Niko Kareno Also, why would taking the moon be any more effective than glassing? The resources expenditure would be great, a better option would be hitting the earth with an asteroid redirected from the belt, though it may be countered by a human ship entering into slip-space and taking the asteroid with it.

*_*Lander explodes*_*

reminds me of star wars the clone wars second attack on geonosis

Sherwin Kaiser *Thats because that’s where that’s from*

My thought.'Wait, Aren't these the same insects who are managing to hit Earth, which is on the other side of the Galaxy?'

@@jasonp.1195 Yes. My first thought as well!

A sad day for robot kind.

Ah futurama

"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will hall like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Zapp Brannigan

Surprisingly this isn't that insane a strategy. Plenty of real life military strategies and evolutionary strategies rely on overwhelming capacity by saturation. For example trees mass-producing acorns every few years to overwhelm squirrels, ships shooting more missiles than the enemy ship can shoot down at once, or cicadas saturating their predators with so many of them are once every two decades that they can't lose a large fraction. Indeed, we have a word for these kind of strategies, predator saturation. In fact, Armenia and Azerbaijan had a war in 2020 and Azerbaijan sent waves of AN-2 heavy biplanes out with drone controllers. A heavy biplane is an easy target for modern missiles and that's the point. By throwing an obsolete aircraft at a missile, you both deprive the enemy of said missile and locate the launch sight. Then you can send in a strike fighter or artillery to deprive them of a launcher.

@@petersmythe6462 yeah but sending more missiles then the enemies point defence can handle is a legit stratergy and doesnt incur mass casualties. sending wave after wave of people to their deaths is stupid and only happened in ww1 because there was litterally no other way of taking the enemies line and once tanks came out it was clear that trench warfare was obsolete

LMAO

Beautiful.

Nothing could ever go wrong.

JaxMerrick oh shit! XD

That’s about like trying to When a staring contest with Rogal Dorn,that is to say,Fucking _suicidal_

Paul Verhoeven lived through Nazi control of his home and many of his neighbours suffered from fascism. He knows well the self-contradicting nature of fascist cultures and built that into his adaptation of Starship Troopers.

That's because it was not bugs who did it.

@@xzardas541 Sounds like something a bug would say. Your not doing your part.

Infantry wins skirmishes. Tanks win battles. ARTILLERY WINS THE WAR.

The guard probably would have taken Klendathu the first time.

They forgot commissars, that's a far more egregious mistake. And they had everything for a decent commissar force, like cool nazi-like uniforms and stuff. But no...

Hi

Where is my Titan.

pfff just send them a few dozen of your transportships and everything will be dandy

Majority of the bugs are deep underground. Orbital bombardment wouldn't be very effective unless you knew all of the different underground locations you needed to hit and could deploy numerous high-yield nuclear weapons as bunker-busters (penetrate deep then detonate).

@@blastech4095 Oh really? The armageddon bombardment stance disagrees. Burn the surface to slag and drop enough nukes to cause a thousand-year nuclear winter, then send in the mining droids.

When you look at all that free mineral and energy generators. Then look at their 50 android army. "Drops 100 psychic army for minimal collateral damage"

I second the bunker buster idea. We have that weaponry right now, in ATS form; it's not a stretch to imagine that there will be OTS ordnance when/if we develop orbital capabilities for convenient, easy transportation and deployment of said items.

Problem with that statement is of course, there is zero evidence to support it. The Humans had encountered and fought the bugs before and their expectations of their capabilities, however flawed, were based on those previous encounters...

Modern day reporters will do live coverage during a police shootout or a hurricane that just made landfall; covering a rapidly failing invasion of an alien world and getting sliced and diced by the locals isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

@@michaelmorton5698 indeed! There seems to be a recurring strange phenomenon where every person in front of a cameraman with a mic in their hands speaking to an audience describing a scene from the location, seems to perceive a level of threat from the scene far lower than the audience perceives and tends to underestimate his or her chance of dying. I have a theory it has to do with how they are somehow mentally elsewhere due to doing an informative job so they just kinda don't quite register that they are just as vulnerable and exposed as everyone else on the scene.

still commendable that the federation allows an uncensored live broadcast from a failing battle.

@@michaelmorton5698 Shootouts not so much, sieges/barricaded suspect situations more so.

@@vaclavjebavy5118 I mean. If you consider it was the federation who sent them there with cameras to do their job. They probably didn't have a window of time to be told to stop broadcasting before the whole thing ended.

Spacedock well that wouldn't be entertaining would it

Also, why was a religious organization able to make an outpost without military intervention?

According to the book, the initial invasion was supposed to be a surprise. The ships jumped in a tight formation but somebody messed up causing a few mishaps, such as collisions. The troops on the ground though didn't know about this because they were in heavy combat. Poor intel was a problem in the book as well. The upper chain of command claimed it was a victory, but the troops on the ground knew better.

In the novels, the whole war with the bugs was literally a war for real estate. They never hated each other or anything. In the words of Rico, "It was just unfortunate that two militaristic species both wanted the same real estate." And since they wanted the land for colonising, they limit any form of orbital attacks to very minor ones only, and nukes are only used to clear nests that are underground and very sparringly at that. It was also the reason why they have to take the slow route of using infantry, even with power armour, to clear the land as they want to keep collateral damage to the planet as low as possible.

now you see that makes sense...in the movie their is literally nothing stoping humanity for just nukeing every bug planet into utter oblivion

All facts known for centuries but for some reason in the (movie adaption) Starship Trooper Universe was forgotten about.

You're not wrong, however once that first shot is fired, you need to think about switching to plan B, or at least A.5. Every plan is a great plan, until that two way firing range starts, that's when you need to be ready to improvise and adapt.

@@neilbodwell9172 Okay that can also work.

Oddly enough, the bugs did have this thought in mind. The bugs destroyed Rio using asteroid bombardment. Wasn't that asteroid strike what caused Earth to launch this hilarious invasion to begin with? Perhaps the bugs thought humans were pests at first, and the bugs were just exterminating these pests (humans). I guess the bugs thought invading a planet on the other side of the galaxy was excessive spending! EDIT: After some thought, I recall the asteroid strike was actually a random occurrence that the government later pinned on the bugs to get the war started. A false flag operation if you will.

WHAT?! How dare you suggest using space rocks as a primary weapon! You will report to the administration and sit in the BLUE chair, at once! wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rocks_Are_Not_Free!

If you wanna simply conquers a planet with no care for collateral damage and instead would prefer to exterminate all planetside lifeforms, I suggest Virus Bombing the entire surface, then wait 24 standard hours before using orbital bombardment to "ignite" the now methane gas filled atmosphere. After that, just to make sure, you send in legions of Adeptus Astartes to eradicate whatever might have survived underground. If you still aren't 100% sure after all that and don't in fact care for the planet in question, just pick your doomsday planet killer weapon of choice or whichever you have currently handy and blow the planet into tiny bits AND then sweep those bits with clean with Adeptus Astartes. Any planetary debris large enough to perhaps one day support life again you infest with Orcs, just have an Orc fart on it or execute an Orc on it and leave the body behind, but that's for when who ever used to live on that planet really upset you.

In the movie, they were not conducting extermination. They were there to capture live brain-cast bugs and take them back for study. Asteroids would have killed the bugs they were trying to take alive.

Joseph Attwell The humans wanted to colonize it after.

Better than what they did.

lmao I'd do that

Were it so easy...

Vaniellis that my line!

Thel 'Vadam Omg a Twin ! 😲

My phone caught fire due to the highest concentration of sarcasm I've ever encountered.

"Random and light." Like it's a frakking weather report. It's not a snowstorm, Captain--it's frakking concentrated plasma that can shear a troop carrier in half if it hits just right!

They pretty much plan along those lines in the book, but the movie basically takes the intelligence and tosses it out as "garbage." Those are all good ideas, but the differentiation between the types also makes them insanely overpowered. I think the dumbest moment in the movie was actually finding out the outpost's commander had their brain sucked out and not calling in an immediate evac before the outpost is swarmed

Only one step: NUKES!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF NUKES!!!

Mica T - simple. 1. Have carrier ships launch as many bombers as possible 2. Bomb it 3. Bomb it 4. Bomb it 5. Bomb it 6. Bomb it 7. Bomb it 8. Bomb it 9. Bomb it 10. return bombers to their respective parent carrier ships 11. Have carrier ships glass the planet from orbit, just to be sure.

bombs....lots and lots of bombs...

Mica T let's say u r the admiral attacking this planet against these bugs, how would u do it? We don't want to destroy the planet though because one day we want to colonize it

57Grambo57 Fire bomb it. Fire bomb it. Fire bomb it so hard the entire atmosphere is burned. Wait 20 years and start dropping plant bombs to start converting that atmosphere back to an oxygen rich environment. Wait another 20 to see if bugs are still there. Realize it's a massive galaxy and crack that planet open because you can just go to any other planet.

juan gonzalez so just leave the planet alone then lol

That and the Mobile Infantry are so bad at aiming it puts Stormtroopers to shame

@@Mobysimo Colonial Marines would be wiping the floor with the Bugs. What Hudson says during the drop is the amount of firepower they can carry.

You've got loose soldiers!? Tighten them up before you lose them!

@@megadeathx Then they'll lose their flexibility in combat, won't they? 😃😂😅 🌌🔭

I know this comment is three years old, but you just rarely see reference to the Sten series anymore. And then once everything's been bombed flat, dust the planet for good measure.

@@samporter9729 indeed. I love those series with exception of the last book it is one of my favorite sf series. Alongside Space Hospital and Stainless Steel Rat.

That’s a constant problem for amphibious and airborne operations in real life, and why keeping and maintaining an open line of supply is so critical. Securing and holding air and sea superiority, in this case space superiority, is vital for maintaining the flow of supplies and reinforcements to the initially deployed forces.

Doktor L nope, still stupid. You don't send the king of a country to an unknown country to see what's what. You send a representative that's acknowledgeable to handle negotiations and such. The keyword in your statement is specialists and xenobiology and social expert should be one of them to be onboard the enterprise. Yet there doesn't seem to have any onboard doesn't it?

You don't want to mess with a pissed off Star Trek universe, what we see is the federation sending down small parties, mostly for peaceful purposes. You set the Federation on war mode (or any faction for that matter), and Bam! Hundreds of ships simultaneously beaming down troops in every conceivable strategic location, locked and loaded. And and that's not including what doktor L said, previously mentioned ships could just surgically destroy every military asset from orbit.

McbrideStudios But that's because planetary invasion in Star Trek are never performed. They prefer to glass the planet in question.

Not true the siege of AR-558 is the one and only example of a planetary invasion. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558_(episode) and while most of the forces appear to be random gold shirts their (their leader died ages ago) Sisko decides that half his senior officers should stay and fight so McbrideStudios is right, the Federation isn't that smart.

the Federation cant fight its way out of a paper bag they run around with no armor no real training they just give guys an over sized phaser a red shirt and say good luck the only combat forces they had were MACOS and they disbanded them and the most feared dedicated warship the have is a escort

Pure class. Hope these quality YT Channels are never taken down or the people making them never quit. Thank You Spacedock. Thank You.

Hi

John Griffiths, you let your 8 year old child watch Starship Troopers?

Damn, you got an admiral on your hands man

And that's when you want to have the planet for a later use. If you don't need it (Or need it broken in pieces so you can have the resources deep with in.) you are even more free to do what is needed if you have the power.

I'm afraid it doesn't quite work like that.

Read the book and you will know why that is a stupid idea.

The old Char Colony drop strategy

Land your star cruiser on an asteroid in the Oort Cloud. Strap on. Fly it toward where the planet will be. Release and veer off. Back to the Oort cloud to get another BFR (Big F'ing Rock). This uses the ship's thrusters as a trigger, and the star's gravity as a weapon.

Losing 100.000 men in a fight is considered minimal casualty in the guard.

I think the Death Korps of Krieg would be glad if it could sacrifice itself like them.

Well to the credit of Imperium of Man, they can at least have help of orbital bombardment/heavy infantry weapon/tanks/artillery/aircrafts and if shit hit the fan very hard, some elite troops like Space Marines. Then we see this shit above, and well.

The Guard at least provides planning and strategy to assure victory with major losses, any Imperial Commander pulling the Klendathu assault is likely to be executed for heresy.

these casualties are in respect to much larger overall armies, and to be fair I would expect the heaviest casualties to be in that first hour. 100,000 casualties in the first hour, but you're still landing a continuous stream of troops 5 weeks later. and the guard would have had rather than 2 columns a entire front that stretches. still don't think they wold have got many bombing runs due to the fact the guard don't get much air support.

If the keyboard is fine why does he own you a new one?

Alec Adanglao F U C K I N G H E R A T I C S

Ypu forgot a T you heretic

Purge the unclean.

Nuke it from orbit then send it shit tons of guardsmen along with superheavy tanks

Alec Adanglao A nova bomb would be more practical.

The closest adaptation to source materials was made in Japan and released in 1988 as a tribute to Heinlein. ST always has been one of the greatest influencers of military sci fi. StarCraft and Halo took some pages of it.

You wrote this comment 21 years after the movie's theatrical release. I'm assuming you must be some kind of time-traveler who came back from the year 2040 to leave comments on KZfaq. Nothing else makes sense

@@Withlovefrominterent Yes, it was two decades, not four. 🤦‍♂️😉🤣

I want to add a like but this is such a good number

Klaus Gartenstiel lol

Remember Admiral Ozzel. Darth Vader: "You have failed me for the last time..."

I love surprises!

The bugs firing to them were MORE unrealistic...

And you ironically spelt stupid wrong

@Ray Noonan - *misspelled... also ironic?

Richard True lol ik right?

One can also argue that the Dropships might just have a limited range, meaning that the Carrier Ships NEEDED to have such a tight formation/proximetry to one another to make sure that they could land their troops in close proximetry to one another and sucessfully establish an LZ. Afterall that does make more sense from many points rather than scattering your whole troops all over the Planet's surface. I also assume the Intelligence Report was fubar due to the fact that they probably only had a singular vessel in high Orbit and that hardly more than a dozen Plasma-Bugs focussed on it at best... this in addition with evasive manuvers would render the Plasma-Bugs fairly useless I'd reckon. However when we are talking about hundreds if not thousands of Capital ships and supposedly thousands (if not more) of Plasma-Bugs, it's a whole different story, considering that it seems like those Plasma-Bugs have unlimited Ammo. Last but not least the second wave wasnt landed and so, we have no clue what the original invasion plan truely looked like aside of what we saw. I for one have difficulties to imagine that the whole idea was just to get those Troopers down, blast some bugs and call it a day... (seeing how logistical issues and strategic conduct of the Invasion would have bound to come up in due time).

Or Gallipoli

Except the Somme was some what akin to a very shitty pyric victory unlike Klendathu.

Churchill's finest hour! :)

Or Ethiopia

JR Reed they actually attacked earth believe it or not.

@@sirilluminarthevaliant2895 Well, a meteor hit Earth and it was blamed on the bugs. Whether they actually attacked or not is a different conversation entirely.

RRW considering in later series. Like roughnecks they would actually invade earth it’s not hard to believe

The bugs actually have more than one planet, They have the ability to colonize planets "by hurling their spores into space"

They have underground hives and space travel abilities

True, but i would preserve heavy armor behind screen of lighter units like cheap AFV's and technicals really, since ambushes are a thing and you dont want to loose that heavy armor in first few seconds. Truck or lightly armored vehicle isint that bad of a loss compared to heavy guns of tanks.

Not when it's sinking, lol.

Paul Verhoeven is a clever enough director that he could've stuck to the book and still made his satirical point about right wing totalitarian governments.

@@jenniferbrewer5370 But Verhoeven has a bad habit of running headfirst into Poe's law. I mean, Robocop reads equally well as a satire of 80's action movies and as a foundation for the spectacles that followed. And no matter how much he changed the context, the story told was still largely what we expected in Starship Troopers. Without knowing naval tactics or ground strategy, it's easy for a laymen to just accept the stupid decisions made because movies always have bad tactics. Verhoeven tries to make satire, but he tends to end up with conventional action movies because he tries to go big and goofy and explicit. Besides that, half the book is Heinlein describing a meritocratic authoritarian state with limited franchise rights and an expansionist interstellar policy. While describing that could be interesting on it's own, the meritocracy would make satire more difficult to parse and subtle, which is why it was removed from the film. Like the power armor that made all that fighting seem feasible. Verhoeven wasn't interested in exploring the philosophy or events of the book, he was interested in setting up a counterpoint.

In his defense, the cameraman usually can't be killed, so this wasn't expected.

You mean where they have vast fleets of starships and orbital weapon systems, but once ground forces are deployed, they are limited to hoofing it around on foot, with only hand weapons that are notoriously inaccurate and slow firing and they have litteral war-horns for communication between units?

Well they do at least have to brains to orbital bombard then use bombers then use troops with air support!

Or you could do how the Wraith invade planets. Strategically bombard enemy military positions and send it Darts and troops to kill or cull the remaining survivors.

UncleFester84 How to Win a Losing Planetary invasion? Fire Cyclonic Torpedo's targeted planet

You might as well bring a giant can of bug spray

The book is very different. Imagine the Movie, if it were played completely straight, with all the satire removed and absolutely glorying in war and the military.

First Cynic they don't have powered armor troopers but they do have micro nukes!!!

yukin1990 read the book.

The director made a choice. Do the powered armor or do the bugs. Their CG budget could support one, so they went with the bugs.

The book was a jingoistic ode to the soldier and the military, and the director wanted to make an anti-war satirical movie. I feel like the movie was a script that happened to be given the name Starship Troopers by some exec who saw dollar signs. They're very different stories, the book has the aliens as explicitly the enemy of humanity and implies that peace is impossible and each has to fight for their right to exist. The movie, meanwhile, questions whether or not the aliens even attacked.

Keyon Hutson you clearly never read the book, and I'm sorry but now I hate you for besmirching it's greatness with your shitty not even cliff notes lies about it. I'd feel bad about it, but since you're trash talking my man Heinlein you're probably shit anyway.

Oh yeah. Would have used it here if not for copyright issues. 'Klendathu Drop' is one of my very favorite pieces of SF Soundtrack.

Spacedock Personally, despite the incompetence, Klendathu Drop is probably my favorite big battle scene from any movie ever. By the way, out of curiosity, what is your opinion on the actual novel Starship Troopers?

Pyroskies Why waste your time planing the invasion,when you can drown your enemey with your own troop blood?

Just exterminatus the whole damn thing

Drown you're enemy with the blood of your troops. Have no troops when the next attack happens.

Why use human scouts when drones are cheaper, have better equipment, have better mobility and can hide better.

Drown your enemies in the blood and guts of your troops until you have none left. That way, if you get a 100% casualty rating for the first invasion, you'll have a 0% casualty rating the second invasion, which means a 1000% increase of life preservation!

Hey most invasions in stargate aren't too bad either, even goauld! Bomb from orbit, alkesh then bomb more strategically then troops go down (we ignore how competent those troops may be how ever)

Jimmy Rustles that's because they had the best of the best working there lol, but really when they started the show they said they wanted it as real as possible and I think they did a damn fine job, sad it's over

The UNSC's formations in space or on the ground? Honestly, both don't really matter in the grand scheme of the human-covenant war. In space, human ships are so outclassed (three human ships of equal tonnage equal one covenant ship) that it doesn't much matter what they did. The human fleet is also outnumbered six-to-one by the Covenant Empire. On the ground, the planets are just glassed. Maybe 1/20 planets are invaded instead of glassed, and even then, it's by Covenant forces so numerically superior and with so many advantages against human forces with no hope of resupply or reinforcement. Only on Reach and Earth formations really matter.

I believe they actually hired military advisors for that show, to explain how the Air Force and other branches of the military would behave in the situations given to them.

You are 100% correct. They did. Which makes there universe so much more believable (for a sci-fi universe at least) than any other property.

Leon Trotsky Same

that would be a really big ass can of Raid. ...someone get that damn hair off my screen.

If we go by the book they aren't actually bugs they are a technologically advanced (they have an interstellar civilisation) alien arachnoids with a communistic ant-like society, they even have an ally (although the Skinnies do switch sides) and take POWs.

Dammit Hiaruga, you got me again with that damn hair pic!.... jerk :P

Except for cockroaches to be used in propaganda videos.

Movie that's and good thing NOT REAL. I'm glad that we have the bugs we have in reality. ( SMALL) I can't imagine a ww2 with 🦂🕷🐝 this size as the movie bugs that the only thing they do is ( STAB YOU OR BURN YOU OR BITE)

Cylinder Pringles would you like to know more?

Friggin' bug lovers! Get lost, the lot of you!

It indeed was.

But at least the music was awesome

Imho the only thing the movie got right was how deadly the bugs were. The movie depiction of the MI was just fucking idiotic. They acted like a bunch of raw recruits where as in the book they were all volunteers who were professional soldiers.

"Volunteers." That is another thing the movie did right. If you want to be a citizen, you have to perform mandatory service. This could be as bad as being a lab rat for the science division. Rico chose to be a citizen and chose to be a MI so he could have some control on the way he lived/died.

The director straight up said he hated the message of the book and made this movie like it is to portray the book as a joke. So yes it is satirical and it does it in a spectacular way.

Can't say I can ever have respect for someone who can't finish a damn book before before making a movie about it. even ignoring the historical context of the time the book was written.

+Patrick McKoin The movie doesn't have anything to do with the book (other than a few things) because the director signed up for this movie when it was called bug hunt but they then changed the name's of character and the name of the movie to fit the book for money; He hated the message of the book but had already signed up so he made a satirical film for the Book so I can't say I have respect for a person that takes things out of context then bitches.

Yeah, but the book also unironically tries to advocate for a system of government which basically amounts to fascism wearing the skin of democracy. The film spoofs that by making human society openly fascist and makes the human leadership incompetent in a way which reflects the reality of authoritarian regimes in which ideological loyalty is prized over merit and competance.

@@jossgoyanko7006 the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with a typical voter.

I guess, Diz nuts. I'll leave now

@@biocybernaught3512 actually I think more effectively would be the propaganda that candidates on both sides use, especially the shaming ones.

you want a virus bombing, basically

Is that from the novel?

Land your star cruiser on an asteroid in the Oort Cloud. Strap on. Fly it toward where the planet will be. Release and veer off. Back to the Oort cloud to get another BFR (Big F'ing Rock). This uses the ship's thrusters as a trigger, and the star's gravity as a weapon. It'll be coming at the bugs at 1% of the speed of light. SWAT!

My invasion plan: get a multi-gigawatt laser and melt it from a comfortable distance. No close encounters needed.

This is actually addressed in the book. Sure, they could just nuke the surface, but the bugs are subterranean, so there would be little point to it. Later on they create the Nova Bomb which can crack the planet itself. But by then they suspect that the bugs might hold hostages on Klendathu, so they don't dare use it during the second invasion.

Alex Ye Oh yea. Time to Exterminatus the Bugs, Ork style! Edit: man, now I want to see the Emperium or Orks fight the Bugs. It'd be short, but fun.

Alex Ye Yeah just melt the Planet you want to Colonisies

Funny enough that's exactly what the bugs did to humanity in the book.

*Kriegsmarine*

@@wjzav1971 I'm referring to the Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard forces, but in one form or another your suggestion could work too...

In war, the point isn't to die for your country, it's to make the other poor SOB die for HIS country...

In the novel, they deploy in powered armor and the military is portrayed as competent.

I'd use biological weapons, the fallout from that many nuces would make landing troops incredibly stupid. Plus using the bio/chemical options your going to have more effect in the hives

@@ianmills9266 Simply use kinetic warheads. 1 ton tungsten rod for every square meter is pretty much a planet killer.

@@Zappina it would definitely make the surface uninhabitable. But the nature of warfare suggests that you would want to use the planet after. Hence the biological and chemical approach.

@@ianmills9266 Land your star cruiser on an asteroid in the Oort Cloud. Strap on. Fly it toward where the planet will be. Release and veer off. Back to the Oort cloud to get another BFR (Big F'ing Rock). This uses the ship's thrusters as a trigger, and the star's gravity as a weapon. No, you won't get to use the planet for a thousand years while the surface solidifies. Neither will the enemy. You're space troopers! Harvest the asteroids, and live happily on your wretched replicator food. The real lesson for this story is not to put all your eggs in one basket. How hard would it be to use a gravity assist bomb on ten thousand asteroid colonies?

@@geraldfrost4710 so use non destructive weapons, such as biological warheads and save the infrastructure for your own use.

It was written as a farce the movie was also a farce, it was just “farcier”

You would have to dig up Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles it recycles the CGI from the movie . It follows the book a lot more than the movies, not too bad for a kiddie cartoon. Power suits and even skinnies make their appearance .

The script for the movie had nothing to do with Heinlein's book. They simply bought the rights to the book so they could use the title and shit on Heinlein's good name.

Yeah, I'd like a genuine Starship Troopers adaptation of the book for movie format. Not what we got. It had a lot of good philosophy in it that, even if flawed in some way, gets one thinking about alternative ways to organize society and handle problems at both the individual and collective levels. All of Heinlein's books are like that, such as "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", which even discusses alternative sexual lifestyles not just alternative social orders (and rebellion against existing social orders). Heinlein's writings were as much science fiction as philosophical discussions of alternatives for... everything! The Starship Troopers book deserves a movie that deals with the heart of what Heinlein and his stories were, not... what we got.

The original was fascist propaganda. The movie was better done as satire. Only reason you'd want it done true to the source material is that you yourself are a fascist. :sus:

I would love that as well. I know the book focused more on hit and run after the invasion of Klendathu :) would be nice to see a compare and contrast video

Also in the book all infantrymen is literally a walking tank. So they don´t need vehicles.

Well, the Federation had tanks, but the point of the Mobile Infantry was that there mobile and could count as infantry, in the power armour. Forgive the lack of a quote, but Rico does mean that there were ray tanks, but they couldn't compare to a gorilla suit. Different purpose, different nature. Book was reasonably solid on a lot of things, this area being one of them.

To which, if I remember correctly, Rico suggested said epithet was used all the way back to Caeser's time to motivate and inspire. I might know that book too well.

starshiptroopers.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Suit

Does anyone ever wonder how that asteroid exceeded lightspeed? Any astroid would have taken about a billions years to get across the Milky Way Galaxy. These bug have the ability to somehow warp space, but have not yet invented the gun... or the wheel for that matter...

The bugs didn't fire the asteroid. It was inevitably going to hit the earth, and had probably been on a collision course for eons. The Roger Young said that the asteroid came from Klendathu, but again, that's on the other side of the flipping galaxy. They might as well have pointed out the window and said "it came from that direction" for all the good it would do to get an accurate assessment of the asteroid's origin.

It is impossible to shoot anything across the galaxy full stop unless your Omniscience. The projectile, even at light speed would take hundreds of thousands (if not millions at minimum) of years to reach the other side. Without Omniscience, It's impossible to account for all the possible gravitational pull that will make the asteroid go off course, missing the target.

If a race is omnipotence, they don't need to fling anything through space, they'd be god and destroy whatever they want. I'm specially talking about flinging an asteroid through the galaxy.

Actually it's not that hard but you definitely can't hit something city sized. You're more likely to expect to hit something planet sized. Plus you'd have to accelerate your projective up to around 1/10th of light speed.

They should have added on what was I think Bowing's approach: one basic model for mass production, but customizable with a variety of attachments and modules so that the basic model could be adapted to different missions or roles.

Part II: the weakness was found after the battle, at least in the book, special bombs were created to destroy the enemy. MI standard distance was 1.8 kilometers between soldiers, in this operation was less. MI costumes in the book pretty much have super powers and speed, radars , automated turrets mounted in the shoulder, 2 kinds of flamethrowers and the list go on. The movie was film too soon, it needed the avatar budget to follow the book

Except Verhoeven butchered it all on purpose. He proudly admitted, that he never read the book further than a few early chapters.

idk i'm pretty good on fascist propaganda

@@lettuceprime4922 did you even READ the original?

@@zab6124 yeah. Heinlein wrote it to castigate the US for fucking up in Korea. It's a book fundamentally about killing Communists lmao

Jervis Horton if it were an even fight hell yea. Colonial marines have better dropships, the Sulaco ship type is a more well armed type ship, they have APCs compared to the Mobile Infantries lack of any vehicles, and they have a more variable arsenal. The Colonial Marines would curb stomp the Mobile infantry in a standup fight. The only real leg the MI has to stand on are those low yield tactical nuke launchers.

Not to mention how the MI would be utterly desintegrated by the Imperial Guard or any other main or even sub-faction of wh40k

SonsOfLorgar The Imperial Guards would fuck over any troops of the SW

novocaine that's an insult to the Imperial Guard. The IG only seem weak due to comparison to who they have to fight on a daily basis, shit that make the arachnids look like an ant infestation. Not to mention the Imperium as fucked up as it is at least has the intelligence to deploy heavy ordinance, vehicles, and have "competant" military leaders.

And the Imperium has Giant F*cking Robots