How Nvidia Has Slowly Lost Our Trust

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The RTX 4060 just dropped in as a reminder of how much has changed in 7 years. Nvidia, not that long ago, was just beloved by almost everyone, now they're taking the route of Activision x Blizzard. This video is kinda long and covers many topics to feel free to skip around with the timestamps. All in all tho we talked about how Nvidia has slowly lost our trust. I don't think things will get better, but we'll see.
Daniel: • RTX 3060 vs RTX 4060 v...
• I'm going to show you ...
LTT: • I’m actually getting M...
GN: • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 406...
HUB: • Nvidia Clown Themselve...
0:00- Sus RTX 4060
3:40- This is what RTX 4000 will look like
6:45- Nvidia and AMD are both boring
8:40- Keep making the same mistakes
10:15- Less and less value to the consumers
16:10- Nvidia is getting too comfortable
19:00- Is Oversupply and Greed be causing this?
24:32- Why only the RTX 4090 is good
28:30- 5000 series COULD be awesome, but that makes it terrible
30:35- Justifying the 4090 ig
32:35- Again, AIBs might be scared
35:42- RTX 4060 in a nutshell

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@vextakes
@vextakes 11 ай бұрын
From a stream (link in description) from earlier. Lot to talk abt here
@notrixamoris3318
@notrixamoris3318 11 ай бұрын
For Nvidia GREEDISGOOD
@gpexplorer1143
@gpexplorer1143 11 ай бұрын
the 3050's are probably laptops.
@cybersamiches4028
@cybersamiches4028 11 ай бұрын
NgrEedia
@jskyg68
@jskyg68 11 ай бұрын
"How Nvidia Has Slowly Lost Our Trust" If you saw what i saw in the early/mid 2000's you'd never have trusted these scumbags in the first place.....
@michaelthompson9798
@michaelthompson9798 11 ай бұрын
Hi Vex🥰👋, just found your channel and love your content style and content itself 🤩💪. Great work and it’s always great to hear real world context being used in arguments rather than PR marketing fluff that we hear from manufacturers 🤔🙈🤦‍♀💩💩
@arjitmishra100
@arjitmishra100 11 ай бұрын
better title, how gamers are no longer primary customer base.
@a.tevetoglu3366
@a.tevetoglu3366 11 ай бұрын
Gamers? Primary customers?That... regarding nvidia... never was the case. Corporate clients were and are and will be the key accounts. Hence customer support quality for quadro level hardware compared to gaming branch Geforce. Gamers got the cattilage while the beef (best silicon) was always served to data centers. The "mid" range creatives or users will be sucked dry until the consolidation via cloud , ai and subscription ware will be the only thing. No cool garage bands anymore. Only stiff and centralised monoculture. The future smells bad.
@printedprops8730
@printedprops8730 11 ай бұрын
Just business, nothing personal lol
@carlosdgutierrez6570
@carlosdgutierrez6570 11 ай бұрын
​​@@a.tevetoglu3366the fuck has to do all that shit about monoculture with the obvious fact that enterprise clients are way, way more profitable than your average guy working a 9-5 job? It is nothing personal, just business.
@martinqizeaq
@martinqizeaq 11 ай бұрын
Another best title. How Nvidia doesn't care. People still buy it.
@user-iu5ib8bj6l
@user-iu5ib8bj6l 10 ай бұрын
And gamer would still buy it, steam hardware survey dont lie, Nvidia can do whatever the fuck they want, because AMD still had no answer no Cuda/Tensor core and great software/community support, their rocm is just starting out, while Nvidia been earning a fuck ton by selling their quadro
@OneDollaBill
@OneDollaBill 11 ай бұрын
Nvidia just thought they could ride out the 40 series on the crypto boom price hike. These cards were in development/design at the time mining was still a thing. They basically gimped down every tier card. 4060 is 4050, 4060ti is 4050ti, 4070 is actual 4060 and so on. You can even tell that with the die name and memory bus.
@dracopug
@dracopug 11 ай бұрын
The die sizes are ridiculously small, meaning there's simply less gpu for your money. And then they promote that as a good thing because it saves on power consumption :/ Marketing really can find positives from literal negative attributes.
@OneDollaBill
@OneDollaBill 11 ай бұрын
@@dracopug usually the die size shrinks a bit when they go to smaller process node, in this case 5nm. But not by almost half.
@Quxer0721
@Quxer0721 11 ай бұрын
@@OneDollaBill I did calculate % difference in core count between models for RTX 40 series and 4090 and 4080 had the same difference as 3090 and 3070 Ti. This is probably why most of reviews were disappointed with 4080 results and were talking about to big gap between. Just for your knowledge, there are % difference between models by core count: RTX 4090: - RTX 4080 - 59,375% - RTX 4070 Ti - 46,875% - RTX 4070 - 35,937% - RTX 4060 Ti - 26,562% - RTX 4060 - 18,750% RTX 3090: - RTX 3080 Ti - 97,560% - RTX 3080 - 85,365% - RTX 3070 Ti - 58,536% - RTX 3070 - 56,097% - RTX 3060 Ti - 46,341% - RTX 3060 - 34,146% There are also other cuts as smaller bandwidth on memory bus, etc. But even if we just look at core count there should be shift in naming for RTX 40 series cards. Renaming: - RTX 4080 -> RTX 4070 Ti - RTX 4070 Ti -> RTX 4060 Ti - RTX 4070 -> RTX 4060 - RTX 4060 Ti -> RTX 4050 - RTX 4060 - should not exist
@chrisrosenkreuz23
@chrisrosenkreuz23 11 ай бұрын
I really don't think they care, this time around. You may be right that this was how they intended it, but when they saw this wasn't going to pan out, they couldn't care less to shift it around. This generation is just a progress showcase for the shareholders.
@mrquicky
@mrquicky 10 ай бұрын
Your post is hilariously inaccurate. People stopped using graphics cards for mining many, many years ago. Well before Nvidia put in the hash limits. How do I know? Because I was a miner. ASIC miners took over the market for miners more than a decade ago. There is another, more obvious reason for the rampant dominance of the graphics card market which many gamers completely ignore. The artificial intelligence/machine learning market is without a doubt, the primary consumer of Nvidia CUDA cores and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. OpenCL is meant to compete in this market, but the two main ML libraries (PyTorch & TensorFlow) do not use it.
@vinayakchoudhary7984
@vinayakchoudhary7984 11 ай бұрын
Moral of "tech company" story:- First they gain your trust and then you lose your money.
@shib5267
@shib5267 11 ай бұрын
let's be honest here, neither nvidia nor their investors really care if their consumer cards are shit at gaming
@tomaszzalewski4541
@tomaszzalewski4541 11 ай бұрын
Or working correctly (ehm ehm Gigabyte)
@Q5Grafx
@Q5Grafx 11 ай бұрын
so bud light and target them
@Mr.Genesis
@Mr.Genesis 11 ай бұрын
And you can always tell who's stuck in brand loyalty. When they bring up DLSS3 and Frame Generation as things people "Asked for and wanted" No i don't care that my GPU hits 200W TDP.. I want Native performance. If the way you get more performance is by lowering the TDP and using a Gimmick? Absolutely not. i'm buying AMD where they don't sell me a Gimmick as a "Performance boost"
@tomaszzalewski4541
@tomaszzalewski4541 11 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Genesis sorry bro but Amd also started their own bs with their AI cores or whatever they call It. They all know how much Money this made for Nvidia and want part of it. Want a Good GPU? Buy one from previous Gen. And seriously avoid Gigabyte if you can
@Mr.Genesis
@Mr.Genesis 11 ай бұрын
@@tomaszzalewski4541 Still not as marketed as "Necessary" Nvidia literally wants KZfaqrs and "Content creators" to use DLSS3 and Frame Generation in their benchmarks just to show how "Ahead" they are. AMD can still provide a price to performance over Nvidia. im not a fanboy of anything besides Price to Performance.
@bradt2656
@bradt2656 11 ай бұрын
bro i paid 300$ for a rx580 8gb meant for 1080p, 7 years later its the same....
@mikfhan
@mikfhan 11 ай бұрын
Same - its value over time keeps growing just because prices since then have been moronic. I kinda hope some company invents an analog/optical/whatever ASIC device that outperforms nVidia AI cards by a huge margin they can never recover from and FTC/EU blocks them from acquiring that company. I don't want AMD to win I just want nVidia to lose.
@RynoGunner24
@RynoGunner24 11 ай бұрын
Hey, this just means the 6900XT I just scored holds its value wayyyy better. SO happy with it. And I'm completely convinced this is the result of Nvidia's found a price point that lets them make profit margins regardless of how successful a series is AND they've justified it with "oh we can milk the poors (average consumer) or failing that, get the rich people to pay whatever we ask because they're doing that anyway".
@Mo_Moji
@Mo_Moji 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, I went with AMD with a brand new build as well.
@tomtomkowski7653
@tomtomkowski7653 11 ай бұрын
$300 1080p medium settings GPU alone versus $400 PS5 Digital - things went out of control.
@lilpain1997
@lilpain1997 11 ай бұрын
I mean as someone who has owned all the consoles and a high end PC the consoles are starting to do below 1080p to hit an uneven 60 on a few new games now. Also the 30fps modes are usually the best and they are starting to drop to 1080p to weird in betweens of 1440p. Not saying the PC market isnt horrible but yeah, consoles arent really any better. They also are not a replacement for many
@stangamer1151
@stangamer1151 11 ай бұрын
​@@lilpain19974060 is barely faster than PS5, yet it is 75% of it's price. A single GPU! And if you add all other components (including controller), you will end up with ~$700 machine. And it won't be able to max out any setting in modern AAA games, even textures, due to 8GB VRAM buffer. 4060 is too weak for RT too. And frame generation is not viable as well, as it needs more VRAM. So the only thing you get for these additional ~$300 is DLSS 2. Not a good deal at all, taking into account that this will be a very modern machine, while $400 PS5 is almost ancient at this point of time. Still this 3 year old hardware can outperfom the new GPU in almost every aspect in terms of price/performace ratio. Man, GPU market is in awful state. 4060 PC should be significantly faster than PS5 and better in every single aspect.
@maegnificant
@maegnificant 11 ай бұрын
​@@stangamer1151the ps5 has an amd radeon 5700 equivalent in it
@GamerSg84
@GamerSg84 11 ай бұрын
Get a $250 6650xt which is comparable to a PS5 in performance. Only downside is 8GB VRAM. If you want higher textures, go for a $320 6700XT that is ~30% more performance than a PS5.
@lilpain1997
@lilpain1997 11 ай бұрын
@@stangamer1151 I literally said the GPU market is horrible right now??? But for many a console is not a replacement for a PC. Besides we can get good deals on last gen components. Especially seeing as if it runs like shit on PC it also runs like shit on console... This is coming from someone who owns all of them
@pantsgaming759
@pantsgaming759 11 ай бұрын
the biggest slap in the face is the vram, when i first got my 6800xt i thought that it wasnt as good as a 3080 but now with a 4k monitor and multiple games running in the 12+ gb vram im so glad i got the 6800xt, honestly you dont need up scaling in 99% of games so dlss dosnt mean much to me and worst they didnt give frame gen to 3000 cards. slap slap slap
@Thakkii
@Thakkii 11 ай бұрын
That's why i always recommend people to buy stuff they actually need and not based on popularity , sure Amd has problems and so nvidia , tbh even tho i had problems with some driver in runescape i still bought an 6700xt some days ago and man i couldn't be happier .
@MARKXHWANG
@MARKXHWANG 11 ай бұрын
go buy some ddr7,stop blaming your own shit on other people
@pantsgaming759
@pantsgaming759 11 ай бұрын
@@Thakkii i had a 3060ti and a 1440p monitors the 8gb was good for that 2 years but now the 4060ti should have 12gb min and also be like 25% more powerful
@AzusaSnowflake
@AzusaSnowflake 11 ай бұрын
​@@pantsgaming759Also, blame lazy a** game developers for not optimising games properly and sucking/allocating vram too much when game looking like trash, not just nvidia or amd
@You_are_wrong99
@You_are_wrong99 11 ай бұрын
​@@Thakkiiis amd good for ai?
@hennermais
@hennermais 11 ай бұрын
I'm not angry, I'm "just" disappointed My dad to me, me to Nvidia
@W9HJBill
@W9HJBill 11 ай бұрын
The 4060 should have been called a 4050 and cost $250. Then it wouldn't suck so bad. A GTX 1080Ti is actually faster, if you don't use the 40's series new features.
@oxfordsparky
@oxfordsparky 10 ай бұрын
Stupid people say stupid things.
@elove6215
@elove6215 10 ай бұрын
bro💀
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 11 ай бұрын
For $300 bucks 1080p is simply not good enough.
@Thakkii
@Thakkii 11 ай бұрын
Agree also i dont blame people go buy consoles instead , there is so many sht goin on in pc gaming , all started from pandemic /shortages , scalpers , bad pc ports , now prices are kinda meh.
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 11 ай бұрын
@@Thakkii Kinda meh, and a bunch of overheating junk. I'm sitting here with an i5-9400f with a GTX 1660 ti that I have capped at 85% power draw because the old cpu really throttles the 1660 ti these days and just gets stupid hot at 100%, would like a new cpu and case for my old gpu, but most of the cases I need for a better "CPU" end up being massive anyways. So I just keep using my 20 buck USB fan blowing air at my PC when I really want to game. (This is after already massively upgrading the case fans),
@prateekpanwar646
@prateekpanwar646 11 ай бұрын
@@mikem9536hecked ur thermals (at idle) and clean installed? It shouldn’t limit 1660 ti even 2060 in any way.
@whohan779
@whohan779 11 ай бұрын
@@Thakkii I was baffled that any real gamer would buy the Jaguar-CPU power junk consoles of the earlier generation. At least with the Switch you had a portable system, so it was clearly set apart from PCs. Nowadays with PC handhelds from AYA(NEO), Valve, etc. even that is dwindling quick, but current consoles have effectively third-gen Ryzen & custom RDNA1/2-hybrid architecture plus a lightning fast (if miniscule) SSD, so they don't actually suck & my PS5 has not physically taken off due to the fan going berserk. The PS5 with a 4 TB cheap Gen4 SSD for ~$200 (for a $600-$700 total depending upon edition, more if bundled) might just be the sweetspot now.
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 11 ай бұрын
@captain_morgan Meaningless because games are limited by tech. Meaning new tech should perform better by default.
@Playingwith3D
@Playingwith3D 11 ай бұрын
That is probably why AMD isn't in a big hurry to release a 7700-7800XT and non XT versions yet.
@supremacy98
@supremacy98 11 ай бұрын
For some reason they lowered the 7600's price even further before the 4060's release. Honestly not necessary from AMD since it's significantly cheaper than the 4060 while not performing much worse. This is a small win for AMD but I hope they don't get complacent with the 7700/XT, they've been making some good choices
@SinNumero_no41
@SinNumero_no41 11 ай бұрын
@@supremacy98 not necesary? a 269$ 8gb card is DOA in 2023 onwards, this should be at 199$ like the rx 6600 was so it can be considered a refresh instead
@supremacy98
@supremacy98 11 ай бұрын
​@@SinNumero_no41it's true that with the specs of the 4060 with the low vram and memory bus width, it would DOA in 2023. But realistically for a mid-range card, no company, whether Nvidia, AMD or Intel would ever price it under $200 starting MSRP. It'd take the market some time for the price to go down, but it won't be so cheap at the start unfortunately, not anymore like last time
@SinNumero_no41
@SinNumero_no41 11 ай бұрын
@@supremacy98 They always do that, if they price it at 199$ at start they won't be milking the costumers enough, eventually it will fall below 200$, but i think they would've sell way more if they price it 199$ from the very beginning
@MMK86
@MMK86 11 ай бұрын
hardware sales have slowed down a lot, if there was huge demand it might have already been released...I'm looking forward to see how they perform though
@slepy5883
@slepy5883 11 ай бұрын
what's sad is the fact that the people over in Nvidia that actually make the GPU's actually want to make good GPU's, but Nvidia just let's their investors bend them over and rail them
@CaptainWaffles
@CaptainWaffles 11 ай бұрын
I got a used GPU for the first time, a 1080ti for 190$ total after shipping, upgraded from a 1660 super. I built my current rig in 2017: I7 6700k GTX 1080 EVGA 1000 watt PSU 16 GB DDR4 RAM My GPU got fried after a lightning strike on the power line like a year after that, which I then replaced with a 1660 super, and I've been using it ever since. 1080ti is still a great card, the main 2 games I wanted to play on high settings, dead space remake and resident 4 remake run really well on it.
@iwillruletheword
@iwillruletheword 11 ай бұрын
I think the Rx 5700 xt would have been a good contender for 100 USD which is significantly cheaper and about the Same or better performance. But It does has less vram
@owaismanzar1310
@owaismanzar1310 11 ай бұрын
​@@iwillruletheword5700xt is slightly slower, but not a huge difference and is significantly cheaper
@elove6215
@elove6215 10 ай бұрын
yeah but tdp of 1080ti is high
@vogonp4287
@vogonp4287 10 ай бұрын
​@@owaismanzar1310It is very dependent on the game. In a few, it does outperform the 1080 ti, but in others it performs worse. Regardless, both are great cards.
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 11 ай бұрын
Slowly? NGreedia lost it's mind with it's "RTX" Junk.
@RenHeika
@RenHeika 11 ай бұрын
My RTX 2060 Notebook GPU has more memory bandwidth than the 4060....
@wolfstorm5394
@wolfstorm5394 11 ай бұрын
What's funny is for a while now the 60 class GPUs came with 192bit but this generation they figured they'd just ruin it with 128bit bus width, utterly ridiculous
@jskyg68
@jskyg68 11 ай бұрын
@@wolfstorm5394 And 8x pcie lanes...
@sosofms
@sosofms 11 ай бұрын
In my country 4060Ti is at the same price with AMD 6800(non XT). It was an easy way to choose an 6800 MSI GAMING Z TRIO and im verry happy.
@dgillies5420
@dgillies5420 11 ай бұрын
AMD should just find a way to upgrade the 6700xt encoders (h.264 and AV1) in place. Call it the 6700 xtx. They could crush everything within $50 of $300.
@OfficialDJSoru
@OfficialDJSoru 11 ай бұрын
But AMD already uses h.265 along with 264. They literally only have to add in AV1 encoding support at this point.
@IamSH1VA
@IamSH1VA 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@OfficialDJSoruTRUE, it needs only AV1 encoding.
@OfficialDJSoru
@OfficialDJSoru 11 ай бұрын
@@IamSH1VA come to think of it, didn't this guy mention what the 6700 could use encoder wise in his video trying out amd?
@Gaming_Groove
@Gaming_Groove 11 ай бұрын
This would be an acceptable card at $200-$230, as the _60 cards were pre-RTX. Even if it were though, the extremely slim performance margins from the 3060 are very disappointing. They've essentially shifted the product stack a whole tier, so now at the sweet spot of about $200 (which is the price point the vast majority of PC gamers have budgeted historically), the best they can get from nvidia are the 3050 or lower if they're buying new, which itself is barely better than something like a 1660 Ti/Super in terms of native rasterized performance and has to sell itself on DLSS and encoder performance. I would probably never consider an nvidia card again if AMD would put some work into the low bitrate performance of their h.264 encoder...it's the only part of my RX 570 I've been dissatisfied with for the past 4 years.
@bonked9426
@bonked9426 11 ай бұрын
That's everyone's first mistake, trusting a multi-billion-million corporation.
@guanyu210379
@guanyu210379 11 ай бұрын
This is why I am still on my old 1070ti for 1440p. I probably will keep my 1070ti until it is broken and move to iGPU after that. If this is PC gaming will look like in the future, I am going console 100%.
@chasesonic292
@chasesonic292 11 ай бұрын
Just go AMD, or go for the 3060 12gb or wait for the 50 series
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 11 ай бұрын
Bruhh, why you go to consoles when APUs and Intel exist ? Go lock yourself in a closed ecosystem of expensive games and accessories if you really want to. The console argument is sh!t because console equivalent 6700 is only 260$ right now.
@Hyper.773
@Hyper.773 11 ай бұрын
I'm never gonna get over the fact that I get ticked off whenever someone pauses every 2 nanoseconds when reacting to something-even if I've already watched whatever they're reacting to. Great video, tho. Good content
@pazitor
@pazitor 11 ай бұрын
NVidia is no longer primarily a video card manufacturer, and most likely will never again prioritize the market. It's all about AI now.
@josephbornman8462
@josephbornman8462 6 ай бұрын
How’d you learn that? I’d like to get a rundown on that as well
@phoenixrising4995
@phoenixrising4995 11 ай бұрын
I just got the A770 LE from Intel for 300 USD during a flash sale around Christmas. If the performance rumours are true for Battlemage, AMD and Nvidia are opening up the midrange for Intel to scoop up.
@ExplosiveTacoLand
@ExplosiveTacoLand 11 ай бұрын
1:22 I lost it. Laughed for a good couple minutes. Thanks for that dude.
@kasmidjan
@kasmidjan 11 ай бұрын
Coping so hard
@townefn
@townefn 11 ай бұрын
Just bought a 6700 XT in the making of this video
@evacody1249
@evacody1249 11 ай бұрын
I got my 6700xt back in 2021.
@townefn
@townefn 11 ай бұрын
@@evacody1249 I just got mine today, I saw it on Facebook marketplace for 200, that’s a good deal that you can’t pass up
@jskyg68
@jskyg68 11 ай бұрын
@@townefn Awesome card, mine runs at 6 watts on desktop with a single monitor.
@crazymcgee3604
@crazymcgee3604 11 ай бұрын
Im donning the tin-foil hat for this one: nVidia, realizing the error of over-ordering silicon for a market that no longer exists, coupled with their rather insane profits from AI, intentionally crippled the 40-series (apart from the -90 model so they could reap SOME profit) in order to drive buyers to the 30 series. They still rack in the profits from gamers while easing their logistics. It also helps that they refused to lower pricing while also limiting available stock - this allowed nVidia to push more silicon into their profitable AI SKUs while ensuring that when the 50 series is launched that they will have fewer 40 series cards on the market. Corporations are nowhere near as stupid as we would like to believe them to be. A company valued at a trillion dollars doesnt mind losing 3 or 4 points of market share, nor do they care about losing hundreds of millions of dollars in potential profits from that same market when another market makes them tens of billions. Keep that in mind when the 50 series releases to outright applause from reviewers.
@OneDollaBill
@OneDollaBill 11 ай бұрын
Nothing tinfoil about this. It is 90% sure how it went. A lot of these cards were on desgin phase during the crypto boom. They just thought like aight were gonna ride this one on the next gen and gimp down the whole stack below the flagship
@vogonp4287
@vogonp4287 10 ай бұрын
Yeah. That's pretty much what I've thought. It makes so much sense.
@Krenisphia
@Krenisphia 11 ай бұрын
If you're not shopping in the 4080 and 4090 range, you should be buying previous gen or AMD instead. Apart from those two cards, the entire 40-series generation is just a waste of silicon.
@halrichard1969
@halrichard1969 11 ай бұрын
You are a pretty down to earth character Vex. Just keep doing what you are doing. I am now subbed and liked. Carry on.
@Sybertek
@Sybertek 11 ай бұрын
If you buy a 4060, you can forget about Raytracing at a reasonable framerate natively.
@marufulislam4311
@marufulislam4311 11 ай бұрын
the main reason why 4060 is boring is because its 8gb. if it was 12gb with 192 bit bus. it would have sold well in $300. 3060 still sells well
@profpigeon5441
@profpigeon5441 11 ай бұрын
And since nvidia cheaper out on the 4070 ram everything below is 8
@Andrew_Johnson_2973
@Andrew_Johnson_2973 10 ай бұрын
The 3060 is an awesome card. I've got one.
@svarthofde2492
@svarthofde2492 10 ай бұрын
Press F for the 10 series. 1070 at 420 bucks was a steal price to performance wise. Now... the market is dismal
@thejimmichanga2913
@thejimmichanga2913 11 ай бұрын
I will say if somehow they create a 4050 that's runs off of pcie power and has 3050 spec and priced a $200 or less I feel like that could be potentially a win. There's a lot of people taking dells, hp, etc and making cheap rigs out of. Having newer more capable card than the 1650 that runs off of pcie would be pretty big deal. If you want dlss rn all you have is the a2000.
@romanmendelson7761
@romanmendelson7761 11 ай бұрын
DLSS can be good on low priced GPU, I think
@ZaHandle
@ZaHandle 11 ай бұрын
And I thought spending 150 on a 1650 to put in a Dell was already expensive
@thejimmichanga2913
@thejimmichanga2913 11 ай бұрын
@@ZaHandle It is considering it offers no DLSS and is 4 generations old at this point. That extra $50 would get you (based off the 3050) double the VRAM, dlss support, giving you a massive performance boost next to the 1650. I hope to actually see this happen as it'll make buying, upgrading and selling office PC's relevant again or give people a cheap avenue to play games on PC. The 1650 is damn near reaching obsolete status w/ it's 4gb of RAM. This would keep a lot of office PC's out of the landfill.
@clem9808
@clem9808 11 ай бұрын
I'm surprised people still not used to Nvidia's marketing gimmick. 1000 series = Good 2000 series = Bad 3000 series = Good 4000 series = Bad Nvidia will retaliate with their 5000 series GPUs , and continue their ongoing cycle.
@filipealves6602
@filipealves6602 11 ай бұрын
Funny how you say the 3000 series was good, when it lost to AMD in price-performance, and at best tier per tier the 3090 lost to the 6900 XT, the 3080 won to the 6800 XT, the 3070 lost to the 6800 non-XT, etc.
@ErockOnTech
@ErockOnTech 11 ай бұрын
Hey I made the video! Lol. I had no idea you were planning to make this a video. But it makes sense! Good job. It was fun hanging out in the stream. I’ll be back!
@Framtastify
@Framtastify 11 ай бұрын
I got a 6700XT during the worse of the scalper market somehow at msrp. It's a phenomenal card, have not been disappointed. And radeon software center just feels better.
@nowherebrain
@nowherebrain 11 ай бұрын
here's the thing..along a normal projection curve...we should all be on 1440p right now...but 1080p and 8gb cards are haunting us....people keep talking about 1080p.....but it's the same argument as 8gb cards...we should not be having expensive 1440p monitors at this point, they should be mainstream...they should have been mainstream 5 years ago.....
@Mediiiicc
@Mediiiicc 11 ай бұрын
Trust doesn't matter when you have mostly brand loyalists.
@jamiw1
@jamiw1 11 ай бұрын
brand loyalists are annoying, like i don’t care if you think “oh nvidia is the best!!1!” or “no!!1! amd is the best!!!!1!1!1!!” if you’re genuinely that loyal to a brand, that’s just sad
@ssud11
@ssud11 11 ай бұрын
They are the best right now unfortunately, that's why they are doing BS pricing like these, cause there's no competition
@CrownedFalcon00
@CrownedFalcon00 11 ай бұрын
Just A Minor addition to what you say about "enterprise/studio" gear. The Nvidia Gaming Cards are very popular in Academia because Research groups are really sensative to price to performance due to grant money. Unless you have a super computing cluster most research groups buy consumer GPUs because most research groups are not really worried about ECC memory or other enterprise features. A lot of research groups were fucked over by the pandemic and they are often starved for RAM on the GPU. So those 24/36/48 GB cards are primarily meant for research because they offer high amounts of memory and performance for substantially cheaper than the enterprise or data center gear. Computing clusters are the only groups in research that can realistically afford the enterprise/data center gear. I'd be so happy if we didn't need to use Nvidia GPUs because AMD offers more ram for a better price but due to the way CUDA is integrated into all research software packages I'm forced into the Nvidia Ecosystem. Its really an unfortunate scenario because its research groups that are able to buy these 4090 cards and drive up prices on the high end. If the 4080 were priced into the $900 all research groups would be gobbling them up and driving up the prices again. Nvidia has us by the balls in research. I do physics research by the way where I don't need any of the AI acceleration or Machine Learning features. All I need is raw parallelized computing grunt and VRAM for my molecular dynamics simulations. Theoretically I could use AMD cards and they are more Stable than Nvidia's on Linux but we run into the issue that Nvidia's performance is better optimized because our simulation libraries have been optimized by Nvidia.
@baraka629
@baraka629 10 ай бұрын
in that case the AMD counterparts should be more popular with academia since they usually come equipped with more VRAM than their Nvidia equivalents in each price bracket.
@CrownedFalcon00
@CrownedFalcon00 10 ай бұрын
@@baraka629 You missed the 2nd half of my long Post CUDA is what keeps researchers locked into NVIDIA. Researchers don't want to spend time and money rewriting or writing new software for AMD hardware. Paying researchers and grad students to rewrite that code when they themselves are not experts on writing hardware specific optimized code is a very tall task. CUDA makes integration with all software packages easy. All we (or the package developers) need to do is implement well documented CUDA instructions and we get optimized instructions and codes. It is not this easy with AMD. Certainly if you are a large research group, national laboratory, or Super Computer Cluster then yes AMD makes more sense but it doesn't make sense for the smaller research groups often made up of less than 10 individuals. CUDA is the issue, Nvidia makes it really easy to use their products despite all the headaches. AMD needs to improve its software and tools if it wants to make headway into smaller research groups
@biznisman7049
@biznisman7049 11 ай бұрын
2060 was 192-bit 2060 Super was 256-bit, 3060 was 192-bit, 3060 ti was 256-bit and now 4060 is 128-bit and 4060 ti is also 128-bit.... 40XX Generation is cut down in more ways than just a VRAM
@absurd.inc.
@absurd.inc. 11 ай бұрын
I think unless you have a 4090 or 4080, this gen will age like fine milk
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 11 ай бұрын
It will with an 80 too, 31% price hike AFTER inflation.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 11 ай бұрын
4080 is also bad for the price.
@64bitmodels66
@64bitmodels66 11 ай бұрын
​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombathonestly 4090 too when you consider how much it takes them to make one
@brianchan8
@brianchan8 11 ай бұрын
4070 is still ok
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 11 ай бұрын
@@brianchan8 The only decent card from Nvidia that isn't the 4090.
@armandomartinez2699
@armandomartinez2699 11 ай бұрын
its 1/4 the die area no?
@Bazihar
@Bazihar 11 ай бұрын
11:21 damn steve's hair looking great
@getawaydance
@getawaydance 11 ай бұрын
I don't get why AIBs stick with these products. They had the specs and knew they'd be bad. evga did the right move
@Chrisp707-
@Chrisp707- 11 ай бұрын
The other AIBs could likely be in a contract still which forces them to still do this. If you look at it quite a few of the 60 and 70 class cards are right around the msrp. Where last gen the AIBs were all above
@Saiyan_Wizard69
@Saiyan_Wizard69 11 ай бұрын
Great Content Vex my Brother 💪🏼💥
@vincentvega3093
@vincentvega3093 11 ай бұрын
Nvidia made sure people preferred 3000 stock. It will fix this by issuing super models in 1.5 years
@dracopug
@dracopug 11 ай бұрын
It's not a given since they're jumping on the AI data centre bandwagon. If they're giving consumers new products, theyre going to be an afterthought.
@ogapadoga2
@ogapadoga2 11 ай бұрын
4000 series they are releasing the super models
@Dregomz02
@Dregomz02 11 ай бұрын
Super will come much earlier, my estimate early next year till end of 2024 where they will release rtx 4060 super that's superior to rtx 4060 ti with more vram and more processing units
@tommyg3031
@tommyg3031 11 ай бұрын
Copium detected
@laszlozsurka8991
@laszlozsurka8991 11 ай бұрын
What makes you think for sure that NVIDIA will release a SUPER refresh? I bet NVIDIA isn't even thinking of a SUPER refresh at all. This comment is just pure copium.
@wag1492
@wag1492 11 ай бұрын
AMD is trying to give Gamers what they want... and Nvidia doesn't give a crap about you
@redbullsauberpetronas
@redbullsauberpetronas 11 ай бұрын
Feels like when AMD fucks up it's usually just incompetence while Nvidia it's pure malice
@82_930
@82_930 11 ай бұрын
@@redbullsauberpetronasa mix of malice and pure greed
@JahidulIslam
@JahidulIslam 11 ай бұрын
What did AMD give with 7600 GPU? That GPU is also shit.
@laszlozsurka8991
@laszlozsurka8991 11 ай бұрын
Oh yeah because the RX 7600 was what gamers wanted.
@filipealves6602
@filipealves6602 11 ай бұрын
The 7600 exists because both the 6500 XT and the 6600 sold well. It's not for us, but there's a market for it. There's no point in being upset about it, just move on.
@Shizzmoney74
@Shizzmoney74 11 ай бұрын
I have a 3070 waiting for 5000 series (along with AM5 migration with it)... and I am worried
@placeholder3853
@placeholder3853 11 ай бұрын
I mean you don't NEED to upgrade then if it's that bad, as long as you're comfortable turning down settings
@TylerVining
@TylerVining 11 ай бұрын
Ayy my comment made it into the video (indirectly, & not mentioned per se, but I'll take it!) Thanks for the quality vidz, Vex!
@australienski6687
@australienski6687 11 ай бұрын
I think you're right about the "tick tock" cycle. RTX 40 series is gimped on purpose to make the 50 series look good when it comes out.
@zedorda1337
@zedorda1337 11 ай бұрын
I was running a GTX 1080 for years by the time the RTX 4000 series launched and it sold me on the RTX 3090 Ti. So I can wait out the next 2 generations again.
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland 11 ай бұрын
After tax/shipping the $299.99 figure is irrelevant. It's definitely $300+ no matter what you do - until the rebates or price cuts start appearing at least.
@Nate_the_Nobody
@Nate_the_Nobody 10 ай бұрын
5:14 I paid $350 for my GTX 1070 on rebate less then a year after it launched, I was gaming on 1440p all the way up to 2022
@inqizzo
@inqizzo 10 ай бұрын
Pascal was the real one
@TheAzexis
@TheAzexis 10 ай бұрын
I'm still playing on my old near 10 years old GTX 970 because everytime i'm waiting for a card that will be really a good ratio perf/price and its not even bothering me as a take care of my hardware change thermal interface on both gpu and cpu for liquid metal so i can squeeze every bit of perf and still stay at reasonable temps ... And I can still play every games that i'm interested on ... even play at 4K fullres on multiple games..
@mm...6919
@mm...6919 11 ай бұрын
Hello I’m from French and I need some answer I’m about to build mi first pc but I want to take 3060 to but I have a app 5 5600g did I need to change for a cpu? I have 650euro so about 700dollars nice video to
@mm...6919
@mm...6919 11 ай бұрын
If someone can recommend me a case or a motherboard to paired your welcome
@BixxPlays
@BixxPlays 11 ай бұрын
the thing is nvidia already has a card that's basically the same profformence as a 3060ti and it draws like 70 watts just its a workstation card. its called the rtx4000 sff ada generation
@uss_04
@uss_04 10 ай бұрын
Pascal is almost a decade old and me and my 1070 are still in denial.
@anthcesana
@anthcesana 11 ай бұрын
This is not a new thing. Everyone seems to think that this is the first time this name change, get less for your money has happened. This shit has been happening since the 600 series was released. We're talking 2012. And that's the first time that I myself am aware of, returning to PC in 2011. This is like round 4.
@hardcorehardware361
@hardcorehardware361 11 ай бұрын
Allot of the people who make these videos are relatively new to PC Hardware but for us that have been here for a while can remember the GK104 GTX680. I've said the same thing numerous times not that anything changes.
@nelsonbutcher1
@nelsonbutcher1 11 ай бұрын
1080p high/1440p medium settings 144hz is the new standard imo. 60hz is the standard from 7 YEARS AGO. High refresh rate displays are cheap now. No more excuses.
@googleandyoutubeareevil
@googleandyoutubeareevil 11 ай бұрын
Ngreedia lost my trust when they rebadged some of the Geforce 3 cards that used the prior Geforce 2 architecture. That was in 2001. Combine that with Ngreedia's paid troll campaign that claimed ATI cards caught on fire due to bad drivers I vowed to never buy another Ngreedia card again. Which is hilarious since I bought the Riva 128 up to the Geforce 256.
@jskyg68
@jskyg68 11 ай бұрын
Yep I wrote them off as well for flooding Guru3d and other tech sites with paid trolls, plus the Malware they call "physx" that's only reason to exist was to tank Amd/Ati performance. They'd have to change leadership before I'd ever consider buying their trash again.
@Kennephone
@Kennephone 10 ай бұрын
The 4060s memory bandwidth is 272GB/sec, my 1660ti is 336. I spent $200 on ebay about a year ago for it, when prices were still higher. Something's seriously wrong.
@Aerobrake
@Aerobrake 11 ай бұрын
4060 is heavily skewed in cyberpunks favor and thats all, THAT IS HOW THEY GET YOU. The 4060 has nothing else special going for it
@tomnook1929
@tomnook1929 6 ай бұрын
a reviewer i used to watch named flossy carter would be like "these headphones were like 120 bucks."
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 11 ай бұрын
What if you game with "Native" and don't rely on DLSS?
@shanent5793
@shanent5793 11 ай бұрын
If a game has 12GB of textures it's just not going to fit in an 8GB card, no matter how wide the bus is. It cannot compensate for insufficient VRAM in a rasterization workload. Increasing the bus width of the 4060 to 256b would have made the card much more expensive for no good reason. On any chip IO is expensive. It has to be placed on the perimeter of the chip, and takes up a lot of area due to it's partially analog nature. More IO means a larger package, more traces to fan-out and route, more memory packages, more board area, more heat, etc. making everything cost more. So if you're going to double the width, you might as well double the capacity since there isn't much marginal saving going to a lower density VRAM. The 4060 doesn't have the processing throughput to justify such an expense.
@SleepyRulu
@SleepyRulu 11 ай бұрын
Is weird that both amd and nvidia fucked up yet I am happy that people finally see their true colors.
@zdspider6778
@zdspider6778 11 ай бұрын
I think this is why EVGA pulled out of the GPU market. They were only making Nvidia cards. They probably received the specs for the 4000 series and they noped the fuck out, fully knowing that people would not buy this crap generation and they would lose money on making them. They knew these cards are a waste of silicon.
@unrealengine1enhanced
@unrealengine1enhanced 8 ай бұрын
they aren't even letting you combine many of the cards you buy without some drawback, or issue, or windows updating and changing your configuration later, which is a pain when you have things setup how you like.
@casedistorted
@casedistorted 11 ай бұрын
It was barely a year or two ago I sold my EVGA 1070 SC for $300 off Craigslist to get my 3070 Ti when it was brand new.
@Thefishyperson
@Thefishyperson 10 ай бұрын
GTX 1080 Ti founders edition is the most beautiful looking graphics card ever, nothing will change my mind on it!
@leeebbrell9
@leeebbrell9 11 ай бұрын
I wounder why unbowed doesn't have 2080ti on gpu charts, its always missing. I want to see where my card sits inbetween others
@damonblackburn2434
@damonblackburn2434 11 ай бұрын
Look for 3070 close to same performance
@mr.guillotine3766
@mr.guillotine3766 11 ай бұрын
It's not necessarily that the cards are "meh" it's that at their price points, they are even worse than "meh"...it's not the peformance really though, it's the damn pricing...I have wanted to upgrade for a bit now since I only have a 1650 with 4 gigs of VRAM and I was hoping that the entry/mid range options in this new generation would offer me a decent option...but at this point, I'm looking at last gen AMD more often than not or even a 7600 if I think I might need the AV1, because honestly, in a few months, it will likely be at, or below, $250 (of course, if Intel keeps improving their drivers, I might even go with one of those instead. Especially if the A770 16 GB comes down to around that $250-$275 range)
@aruce9
@aruce9 10 ай бұрын
Is it sad that the 30 series was the last set of cards that had the lower end card was at the same performance as the generation prior at one tier higher. Like how the 3070 was similar in performance to the 2080ti? I am glad I bought a new Pc a couple years ago because I am not going with Nvidia moving forward
@Micromation
@Micromation 11 ай бұрын
Still got my 1080Ti, lives in Thunderbolt enclosure and is being used solely for Blender rendering ;)
@Plus_Escapee
@Plus_Escapee 11 ай бұрын
1:22 sums it up pretty much.
@Mantrevouir
@Mantrevouir 11 ай бұрын
Whats 90 fps frame Generation when you still have latency of 40 fps
@ThatGamerDude9000
@ThatGamerDude9000 11 ай бұрын
I get that nvidia wants to lean on AI, but why not just commit to it full stop? Why put the money into research, development, and marketing if you aren't going to make much improvements on the card? Why not just make AI that runs better on the pre-existing hardware? I get that this new hardware can act as a small scale showcase for their AI in better ways than the 30 series can, but why market it as GeForce RTX? They obviously have no interest in the gaming side. Why would they care if AMD outcompetes them in a market they don't even care about anymore? It's just so weird. They aren't making money off us anymore.
@pyrophobia133
@pyrophobia133 11 ай бұрын
that 1080 ti is becoming more and more legendary with every generation
@briananeuraysem3321
@briananeuraysem3321 11 ай бұрын
Talking about the dies used for each GPU model, what I find disappointing is how Nvidia in the mobile GPU space (at least for the 4090 and 4080) both have one tier lower GPU dies compared to their desktop counterparts, which to my knowledge did not happen with 30 series
@siyzerix
@siyzerix 11 ай бұрын
Pascal and turing used the same chip for the desktop and laptop ones. Including the 1080 and 2080/super mobile. The 4050 and 4060 are basically desktop perf. 4070, 4080 and 4090 are shite.
@barcelona2170
@barcelona2170 11 ай бұрын
I have to say, I had some friends who said "2k gaming really is a sweet spot and you can do it brand new. Not too expensive, go NVidia". I'm a new person to PC gaming. Not new to PC's. This was a slap in the face. Personally even as a new gamer I'm more inclined to give AMD guaranteed money and Intel a shot so we have some competition. All other components have been easy for me to educate myself on and make good decisions. GPU's have slightly made me regret building if not for my desire to play some games only available on PC. I'm not giving up my I just bought a low cost 8gb card and will upgrade next year when I have tax money.
@enderlore1337
@enderlore1337 11 ай бұрын
Looking at the performance on techpowerup it supposedly says that 4060 is on the level of a 1080 ti? That’s probably bad information tho
@dhaumya23gango75
@dhaumya23gango75 11 ай бұрын
3060 performs like a 1080ti. 4060 is slightly faster than both the 1080 ti and 3060.
@enderlore1337
@enderlore1337 11 ай бұрын
@@dhaumya23gango75 yeah. It could probably be a good upgrade for a 1080ti if it didnt have a pcie 4x8 connection
@nathanmccormack6549
@nathanmccormack6549 10 ай бұрын
I bought a 2nd hand 4080, I feel like I didn’t support these new prices but someone else did. The change to the 4080 12gb to 4070ti completely screwed the bottom lineup. A 4070 would have been called a 4060ti and performed one notch higher. Now a 3060ti and 4060ti are same same. That one change screwed the lineup
@andik6828
@andik6828 11 ай бұрын
It's more power efficient because the nomicular is just wrong the 4060 is really a 4050 the 4070 is really a 4060, what odds we never see a 4050 because they hit rock-bottom already I have never seen a 109 in any generation so where is the 4050 coming from?
@evilvash0
@evilvash0 11 ай бұрын
30:38 I Need a RX 7600 for AV1 and I need a RX 7900XTX for the long term and hell I need the new Avermedia external capture card that has incredible specs that way I can run my current PC as a Media/Streaming Machine and use the new one for purely gaming but jokes aside another great Vid Vex and I really do hope next year is a Improvement with the next release of cards and hopefully they stop production and just have what's out there out there only way they will get rid of both current and old gen before next gen.
@Zxanonblade
@Zxanonblade 11 ай бұрын
Wait Avermedia's making a new capture card!?
@evilvash0
@evilvash0 11 ай бұрын
@@Zxanonblade yup it's it was announced this year at Computex can't wait down side its gonna be $300 for both internal and External but well worth it just look up on youtube "I don't normally Pre-Order stuff... - AVerMedia @ Computex 2023 - ShortCircuit"
@nisem0no
@nisem0no 11 ай бұрын
I have a 2080 Super, and an upgrade path (to get a mid range card, as prices are too high these days in my country to get something more capable) is nonexistent. I'm having issues with tons of games due to 8gm VRAM, and yet I can't find something that gives a 30-50% boost and has more VRAM at a decent price. This is 4-5 years later. Like huh?
@JohnDoe-ip3oq
@JohnDoe-ip3oq 11 ай бұрын
Nvidia has been doing this forever. Just remember the 460, and 660. They were garbage on RELEASE, and I'm not kidding you when reviewers were scamming readers with cherry picked benchmarks. The problem was you couldn't call it out then, and now it's just obvious. Stop taking the abuse. Nvidia has always scammed it's users. The 10 series was the exception. The 30 series doesn't count due to VRAM and pricing. You were not getting those cards at reasonable prices. The only recent reasonable 1440p card has been the 6700.
@tlfearofthedarkhun387
@tlfearofthedarkhun387 11 ай бұрын
AGreed. Happened several times in the past, it was just not as obvious. 6700 xt or 6800 are the best value right now for 1440, 6900 xt 6950 xt also make sense perhaps a 3090 for 4k. 4080 and 4090 are too expensive.
@boufenarafetooh
@boufenarafetooh 11 ай бұрын
Nvidia in 2016 ( Pascal 💪) Let's release the gtx 1060 , faster than 970 and with the same amount of Vram of previous flagship (980 Ti) Imagine the RTX 4060 is faster than 3070 with 24GB of VRAM
@unrealengine1enhanced
@unrealengine1enhanced 8 ай бұрын
i run a asus prime 390-p, with a i9 9900k / and 32gb ddr4 my gpu intel a770 LE 16gb with resize bar enabled(luckily my chipset/board was given support in a firmware update) 1tb ssd / 12 tb mechanical [ and i haven't had any complaints, since i got it up and runnning(one of my cables wasn't "acceptable" to the gpu) ] long story short: i play anything and everything, and it looks VERY NICE, who cares if i'm not running "epic nvidia settings" i'm running an intel gpu, and the graphics are more than comparable.
@Warbob11
@Warbob11 11 ай бұрын
Hell back in 2020, I had a 6800XT in my cart from AMD it swapped to a 6700. I was not going for that from a 1080ti, I spent a couple of months looking for the 6800xt email or one too appear. Went towards a 3080 10GB (EVGA Email before Christmas.) Paid faster shipping so it would arrive before Christmas, I was happy paid a little over MSRP + Tax and shipping I was happy and still happy with it. Though I know soon at 120HZ 1440p it will start to suffer from VRAM deficiency. I will not upgrade for a while, I'm leaning towards a Intel or AMD card depending on the uplift from my card and VRAM and Bus.
@yuan.pingchen3056
@yuan.pingchen3056 11 ай бұрын
There is no memory interface 64bit version of RTX4000 series, I hope this card has an AV1 encoding and sold at under $99 USD
@badass6300
@badass6300 11 ай бұрын
The GTX 1000 series were you exactly like the rtx 4000 series, they were just more affordable and it all started in 2012 with the GTX 660 being renamed to a GTX 680 a few weeks before release
@ooringe378
@ooringe378 11 ай бұрын
Wouldn't suprise me if Nvidia milked Ada Lovelace for two generations just like Keplar, they're literally a generation ahead at this point in terms of performance and efficiency. All they need to do is double the VRAM, give you a better cut chip, call it a RTX 50X0 and charge you a couple hundred more $$$s for it. That's how "Ada Lovelace-Next" rings to my ears.
@Ibrahim_Alharbi
@Ibrahim_Alharbi 10 ай бұрын
Should i upgrade from a 1080 ti 11gb ?
@TonyChan-eh3nz
@TonyChan-eh3nz 10 ай бұрын
No
@elitesennabubble
@elitesennabubble 9 ай бұрын
Id just stick with the 30 series or the 10 series. I upgraded from a 1070 to a 1080ti, sold the 1070 for £100, bought the 1080ti for £185, literally the most value for money upgrade ever.
@pauli2753
@pauli2753 11 ай бұрын
on the comment about xess being new and having a brighter future: yes, it is newer than fsr2, but their first public releases are only 2 months apart.
@dyris2594
@dyris2594 11 ай бұрын
Isn't the 4070 a decent deal when everything is taken into account?
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 11 ай бұрын
After you factor inflation, yes. The 4060 is bad despite a technical discount because of 4.0x8 (meaning a 5%+ reduction on 3.0), and too little VRAM.
@rQuilln
@rQuilln 9 ай бұрын
13:05 although 4060 is "power efficient" than 3060. They will draw both 100 Watts. Plus, it can't even power limit below 50% or so..
@ThomasPrell
@ThomasPrell 11 ай бұрын
i am almost very sure nvidia wants to stand out with their blackwellseries a lot (RTX5000) or wants to squeeze in sth like 4060 super
@rogofos
@rogofos 11 ай бұрын
I bought used gtx1070 in 2019 for 15k rubles or at the time 250$ I can't believe that to this day no new video card topped this offer in terms of value Nvidia truly peaked with Pascal and I mean it in the worst way possible
@vogonp4287
@vogonp4287 10 ай бұрын
The 1080 ti is still performing really well. Unless Nvidia kills Pascal through drivers (which they probably will eventually), the 10 series will be great for at least a few more years.
@shihabuddinahmad7284
@shihabuddinahmad7284 11 ай бұрын
4000 series named as Love less. Nvidia proved it why.
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