From a stream (link in description) from earlier. Lot to talk abt here

better title, how gamers are no longer primary customer base.

Moral of "tech company" story:- First they gain your trust and then you lose your money.

let's be honest here, neither nvidia nor their investors really care if their consumer cards are shit at gaming

Nvidia just thought they could ride out the 40 series on the crypto boom price hike. These cards were in development/design at the time mining was still a thing. They basically gimped down every tier card. 4060 is 4050, 4060ti is 4050ti, 4070 is actual 4060 and so on. You can even tell that with the die name and memory bus.

$300 1080p medium settings GPU alone versus $400 PS5 Digital - things went out of control.

Hey, this just means the 6900XT I just scored holds its value wayyyy better. SO happy with it. And I'm completely convinced this is the result of Nvidia's found a price point that lets them make profit margins regardless of how successful a series is AND they've justified it with "oh we can milk the poors (average consumer) or failing that, get the rich people to pay whatever we ask because they're doing that anyway".

the biggest slap in the face is the vram, when i first got my 6800xt i thought that it wasnt as good as a 3080 but now with a 4k monitor and multiple games running in the 12+ gb vram im so glad i got the 6800xt, honestly you dont need up scaling in 99% of games so dlss dosnt mean much to me and worst they didnt give frame gen to 3000 cards. slap slap slap

bro i paid 300$ for a rx580 8gb meant for 1080p, 7 years later its the same....

I'm not angry, I'm "just" disappointed My dad to me, me to Nvidia

what's sad is the fact that the people over in Nvidia that actually make the GPU's actually want to make good GPU's, but Nvidia just let's their investors bend them over and rail them

The 4060 should have been called a 4050 and cost $250. Then it wouldn't suck so bad. A GTX 1080Ti is actually faster, if you don't use the 40's series new features.

Slowly? NGreedia lost it's mind with it's "RTX" Junk.

That is probably why AMD isn't in a big hurry to release a 7700-7800XT and non XT versions yet.

For $300 bucks 1080p is simply not good enough.

My RTX 2060 Notebook GPU has more memory bandwidth than the 4060....

I got a used GPU for the first time, a 1080ti for 190$ total after shipping, upgraded from a 1660 super. I built my current rig in 2017: I7 6700k GTX 1080 EVGA 1000 watt PSU 16 GB DDR4 RAM My GPU got fried after a lightning strike on the power line like a year after that, which I then replaced with a 1660 super, and I've been using it ever since. 1080ti is still a great card, the main 2 games I wanted to play on high settings, dead space remake and resident 4 remake run really well on it.

Im donning the tin-foil hat for this one: nVidia, realizing the error of over-ordering silicon for a market that no longer exists, coupled with their rather insane profits from AI, intentionally crippled the 40-series (apart from the -90 model so they could reap SOME profit) in order to drive buyers to the 30 series. They still rack in the profits from gamers while easing their logistics. It also helps that they refused to lower pricing while also limiting available stock - this allowed nVidia to push more silicon into their profitable AI SKUs while ensuring that when the 50 series is launched that they will have fewer 40 series cards on the market. Corporations are nowhere near as stupid as we would like to believe them to be. A company valued at a trillion dollars doesnt mind losing 3 or 4 points of market share, nor do they care about losing hundreds of millions of dollars in potential profits from that same market when another market makes them tens of billions. Keep that in mind when the 50 series releases to outright applause from reviewers.

That's everyone's first mistake, trusting a multi-billion-million corporation.

In my country 4060Ti is at the same price with AMD 6800(non XT). It was an easy way to choose an 6800 MSI GAMING Z TRIO and im verry happy.

AMD should just find a way to upgrade the 6700xt encoders (h.264 and AV1) in place. Call it the 6700 xtx. They could crush everything within $50 of $300.

Just bought a 6700 XT in the making of this video

This would be an acceptable card at $200-$230, as the _60 cards were pre-RTX. Even if it were though, the extremely slim performance margins from the 3060 are very disappointing. They've essentially shifted the product stack a whole tier, so now at the sweet spot of about $200 (which is the price point the vast majority of PC gamers have budgeted historically), the best they can get from nvidia are the 3050 or lower if they're buying new, which itself is barely better than something like a 1660 Ti/Super in terms of native rasterized performance and has to sell itself on DLSS and encoder performance. I would probably never consider an nvidia card again if AMD would put some work into the low bitrate performance of their h.264 encoder...it's the only part of my RX 570 I've been dissatisfied with for the past 4 years.

I'm never gonna get over the fact that I get ticked off whenever someone pauses every 2 nanoseconds when reacting to something-even if I've already watched whatever they're reacting to. Great video, tho. Good content

NVidia is no longer primarily a video card manufacturer, and most likely will never again prioritize the market. It's all about AI now.

This is why I am still on my old 1070ti for 1440p. I probably will keep my 1070ti until it is broken and move to iGPU after that. If this is PC gaming will look like in the future, I am going console 100%.

I'm surprised people still not used to Nvidia's marketing gimmick. 1000 series = Good 2000 series = Bad 3000 series = Good 4000 series = Bad Nvidia will retaliate with their 5000 series GPUs , and continue their ongoing cycle.

If you're not shopping in the 4080 and 4090 range, you should be buying previous gen or AMD instead. Apart from those two cards, the entire 40-series generation is just a waste of silicon.

Press F for the 10 series. 1070 at 420 bucks was a steal price to performance wise. Now... the market is dismal

You are a pretty down to earth character Vex. Just keep doing what you are doing. I am now subbed and liked. Carry on.

If you buy a 4060, you can forget about Raytracing at a reasonable framerate natively.

the main reason why 4060 is boring is because its 8gb. if it was 12gb with 192 bit bus. it would have sold well in $300. 3060 still sells well

I just got the A770 LE from Intel for 300 USD during a flash sale around Christmas. If the performance rumours are true for Battlemage, AMD and Nvidia are opening up the midrange for Intel to scoop up.

1:22 I lost it. Laughed for a good couple minutes. Thanks for that dude.

Trust doesn't matter when you have mostly brand loyalists.

Hey I made the video! Lol. I had no idea you were planning to make this a video. But it makes sense! Good job. It was fun hanging out in the stream. I’ll be back!

2060 was 192-bit 2060 Super was 256-bit, 3060 was 192-bit, 3060 ti was 256-bit and now 4060 is 128-bit and 4060 ti is also 128-bit.... 40XX Generation is cut down in more ways than just a VRAM

here's the thing..along a normal projection curve...we should all be on 1440p right now...but 1080p and 8gb cards are haunting us....people keep talking about 1080p.....but it's the same argument as 8gb cards...we should not be having expensive 1440p monitors at this point, they should be mainstream...they should have been mainstream 5 years ago.....

I don't get why AIBs stick with these products. They had the specs and knew they'd be bad. evga did the right move

I got a 6700XT during the worse of the scalper market somehow at msrp. It's a phenomenal card, have not been disappointed. And radeon software center just feels better.

I think unless you have a 4090 or 4080, this gen will age like fine milk

I will say if somehow they create a 4050 that's runs off of pcie power and has 3050 spec and priced a $200 or less I feel like that could be potentially a win. There's a lot of people taking dells, hp, etc and making cheap rigs out of. Having newer more capable card than the 1650 that runs off of pcie would be pretty big deal. If you want dlss rn all you have is the a2000.

AMD is trying to give Gamers what they want... and Nvidia doesn't give a crap about you

1080p high/1440p medium settings 144hz is the new standard imo. 60hz is the standard from 7 YEARS AGO. High refresh rate displays are cheap now. No more excuses.

I think this is why EVGA pulled out of the GPU market. They were only making Nvidia cards. They probably received the specs for the 4000 series and they noped the fuck out, fully knowing that people would not buy this crap generation and they would lose money on making them. They knew these cards are a waste of silicon.

Nvidia made sure people preferred 3000 stock. It will fix this by issuing super models in 1.5 years

the thing is nvidia already has a card that's basically the same profformence as a 3060ti and it draws like 70 watts just its a workstation card. its called the rtx4000 sff ada generation

Ayy my comment made it into the video (indirectly, & not mentioned per se, but I'll take it!) Thanks for the quality vidz, Vex!

After tax/shipping the $299.99 figure is irrelevant. It's definitely $300+ no matter what you do - until the rebates or price cuts start appearing at least.

I was running a GTX 1080 for years by the time the RTX 4000 series launched and it sold me on the RTX 3090 Ti. So I can wait out the next 2 generations again.

Great Content Vex my Brother 💪🏼💥

Just A Minor addition to what you say about "enterprise/studio" gear. The Nvidia Gaming Cards are very popular in Academia because Research groups are really sensative to price to performance due to grant money. Unless you have a super computing cluster most research groups buy consumer GPUs because most research groups are not really worried about ECC memory or other enterprise features. A lot of research groups were fucked over by the pandemic and they are often starved for RAM on the GPU. So those 24/36/48 GB cards are primarily meant for research because they offer high amounts of memory and performance for substantially cheaper than the enterprise or data center gear. Computing clusters are the only groups in research that can realistically afford the enterprise/data center gear. I'd be so happy if we didn't need to use Nvidia GPUs because AMD offers more ram for a better price but due to the way CUDA is integrated into all research software packages I'm forced into the Nvidia Ecosystem. Its really an unfortunate scenario because its research groups that are able to buy these 4090 cards and drive up prices on the high end. If the 4080 were priced into the $900 all research groups would be gobbling them up and driving up the prices again. Nvidia has us by the balls in research. I do physics research by the way where I don't need any of the AI acceleration or Machine Learning features. All I need is raw parallelized computing grunt and VRAM for my molecular dynamics simulations. Theoretically I could use AMD cards and they are more Stable than Nvidia's on Linux but we run into the issue that Nvidia's performance is better optimized because our simulation libraries have been optimized by Nvidia.

This is not a new thing. Everyone seems to think that this is the first time this name change, get less for your money has happened. This shit has been happening since the 600 series was released. We're talking 2012. And that's the first time that I myself am aware of, returning to PC in 2011. This is like round 4.

11:21 damn steve's hair looking great

GTX 1080 Ti founders edition is the most beautiful looking graphics card ever, nothing will change my mind on it!

I have a 3070 waiting for 5000 series (along with AM5 migration with it)... and I am worried

I think you're right about the "tick tock" cycle. RTX 40 series is gimped on purpose to make the 50 series look good when it comes out.

Ngreedia lost my trust when they rebadged some of the Geforce 3 cards that used the prior Geforce 2 architecture. That was in 2001. Combine that with Ngreedia's paid troll campaign that claimed ATI cards caught on fire due to bad drivers I vowed to never buy another Ngreedia card again. Which is hilarious since I bought the Riva 128 up to the Geforce 256.

5:14 I paid $350 for my GTX 1070 on rebate less then a year after it launched, I was gaming on 1440p all the way up to 2022

4060 is heavily skewed in cyberpunks favor and thats all, THAT IS HOW THEY GET YOU. The 4060 has nothing else special going for it

I'm still playing on my old near 10 years old GTX 970 because everytime i'm waiting for a card that will be really a good ratio perf/price and its not even bothering me as a take care of my hardware change thermal interface on both gpu and cpu for liquid metal so i can squeeze every bit of perf and still stay at reasonable temps ... And I can still play every games that i'm interested on ... even play at 4K fullres on multiple games..

Is weird that both amd and nvidia fucked up yet I am happy that people finally see their true colors.

they aren't even letting you combine many of the cards you buy without some drawback, or issue, or windows updating and changing your configuration later, which is a pain when you have things setup how you like.

I get that nvidia wants to lean on AI, but why not just commit to it full stop? Why put the money into research, development, and marketing if you aren't going to make much improvements on the card? Why not just make AI that runs better on the pre-existing hardware? I get that this new hardware can act as a small scale showcase for their AI in better ways than the 30 series can, but why market it as GeForce RTX? They obviously have no interest in the gaming side. Why would they care if AMD outcompetes them in a market they don't even care about anymore? It's just so weird. They aren't making money off us anymore.

If a game has 12GB of textures it's just not going to fit in an 8GB card, no matter how wide the bus is. It cannot compensate for insufficient VRAM in a rasterization workload. Increasing the bus width of the 4060 to 256b would have made the card much more expensive for no good reason. On any chip IO is expensive. It has to be placed on the perimeter of the chip, and takes up a lot of area due to it's partially analog nature. More IO means a larger package, more traces to fan-out and route, more memory packages, more board area, more heat, etc. making everything cost more. So if you're going to double the width, you might as well double the capacity since there isn't much marginal saving going to a lower density VRAM. The 4060 doesn't have the processing throughput to justify such an expense.

Hello I’m from French and I need some answer I’m about to build mi first pc but I want to take 3060 to but I have a app 5 5600g did I need to change for a cpu? I have 650euro so about 700dollars nice video to

Still got my 1080Ti, lives in Thunderbolt enclosure and is being used solely for Blender rendering ;)

4000 series named as Love less. Nvidia proved it why.

its 1/4 the die area no?

The 4060s memory bandwidth is 272GB/sec, my 1660ti is 336. I spent $200 on ebay about a year ago for it, when prices were still higher. Something's seriously wrong.

1:22 sums it up pretty much.

Why would they care about your trust? Not like you buy from their competitors instead, their market share only grows

Pascal is almost a decade old and me and my 1070 are still in denial.

I bought a 2nd hand 4080, I feel like I didn’t support these new prices but someone else did. The change to the 4080 12gb to 4070ti completely screwed the bottom lineup. A 4070 would have been called a 4060ti and performed one notch higher. Now a 3060ti and 4060ti are same same. That one change screwed the lineup

Talking about the dies used for each GPU model, what I find disappointing is how Nvidia in the mobile GPU space (at least for the 4090 and 4080) both have one tier lower GPU dies compared to their desktop counterparts, which to my knowledge did not happen with 30 series

AMD RX 5700XT User here.. 256 Bit bus... 8GB VRAM.. it literally is better in Video memory than a brand new GPU at the same price from 4 years ago.

Id just stick with the 30 series or the 10 series. I upgraded from a 1070 to a 1080ti, sold the 1070 for £100, bought the 1080ti for £185, literally the most value for money upgrade ever.

It was barely a year or two ago I sold my EVGA 1070 SC for $300 off Craigslist to get my 3070 Ti when it was brand new.

that 1080 ti is becoming more and more legendary with every generation

with rx480 4gb vs 8gb people were saying the same thing "vram doesn't matter, the gpu is so slow, by the time its relevant the card will be outdated" and then cyberpunk came out and every video card below 8gb fucking choked to death but yeah that bus is a deal-breaker

I bought rx6700xt nd it's the best purchase I had

It's more power efficient because the nomicular is just wrong the 4060 is really a 4050 the 4070 is really a 4060, what odds we never see a 4050 because they hit rock-bottom already I have never seen a 109 in any generation so where is the 4050 coming from?

I bought used gtx1070 in 2019 for 15k rubles or at the time 250$ I can't believe that to this day no new video card topped this offer in terms of value Nvidia truly peaked with Pascal and I mean it in the worst way possible

I wounder why unbowed doesn't have 2080ti on gpu charts, its always missing. I want to see where my card sits inbetween others

30:38 I Need a RX 7600 for AV1 and I need a RX 7900XTX for the long term and hell I need the new Avermedia external capture card that has incredible specs that way I can run my current PC as a Media/Streaming Machine and use the new one for purely gaming but jokes aside another great Vid Vex and I really do hope next year is a Improvement with the next release of cards and hopefully they stop production and just have what's out there out there only way they will get rid of both current and old gen before next gen.

I have a 2080 Super, and an upgrade path (to get a mid range card, as prices are too high these days in my country to get something more capable) is nonexistent. I'm having issues with tons of games due to 8gm VRAM, and yet I can't find something that gives a 30-50% boost and has more VRAM at a decent price. This is 4-5 years later. Like huh?

Nvidia has been doing this forever. Just remember the 460, and 660. They were garbage on RELEASE, and I'm not kidding you when reviewers were scamming readers with cherry picked benchmarks. The problem was you couldn't call it out then, and now it's just obvious. Stop taking the abuse. Nvidia has always scammed it's users. The 10 series was the exception. The 30 series doesn't count due to VRAM and pricing. You were not getting those cards at reasonable prices. The only recent reasonable 1440p card has been the 6700.

I have to say, I had some friends who said "2k gaming really is a sweet spot and you can do it brand new. Not too expensive, go NVidia". I'm a new person to PC gaming. Not new to PC's. This was a slap in the face. Personally even as a new gamer I'm more inclined to give AMD guaranteed money and Intel a shot so we have some competition. All other components have been easy for me to educate myself on and make good decisions. GPU's have slightly made me regret building if not for my desire to play some games only available on PC. I'm not giving up my I just bought a low cost 8gb card and will upgrade next year when I have tax money.

Is it sad that the 30 series was the last set of cards that had the lower end card was at the same performance as the generation prior at one tier higher. Like how the 3070 was similar in performance to the 2080ti? I am glad I bought a new Pc a couple years ago because I am not going with Nvidia moving forward

Should i upgrade from a 1080 ti 11gb ?

It's not necessarily that the cards are "meh" it's that at their price points, they are even worse than "meh"...it's not the peformance really though, it's the damn pricing...I have wanted to upgrade for a bit now since I only have a 1650 with 4 gigs of VRAM and I was hoping that the entry/mid range options in this new generation would offer me a decent option...but at this point, I'm looking at last gen AMD more often than not or even a 7600 if I think I might need the AV1, because honestly, in a few months, it will likely be at, or below, $250 (of course, if Intel keeps improving their drivers, I might even go with one of those instead. Especially if the A770 16 GB comes down to around that $250-$275 range)

What if you game with "Native" and don't rely on DLSS?

Whats 90 fps frame Generation when you still have latency of 40 fps

The GTX 1000 series were you exactly like the rtx 4000 series, they were just more affordable and it all started in 2012 with the GTX 660 being renamed to a GTX 680 a few weeks before release

on the comment about xess being new and having a brighter future: yes, it is newer than fsr2, but their first public releases are only 2 months apart.

RX 6800 owner here 1440, max to high settings on most scenarios and 100 plus fps for $360

30:20 We are already expecting a 64-bit bus on these, but now we know how it will be possible - GDDR7.

Hell back in 2020, I had a 6800XT in my cart from AMD it swapped to a 6700. I was not going for that from a 1080ti, I spent a couple of months looking for the 6800xt email or one too appear. Went towards a 3080 10GB (EVGA Email before Christmas.) Paid faster shipping so it would arrive before Christmas, I was happy paid a little over MSRP + Tax and shipping I was happy and still happy with it. Though I know soon at 120HZ 1440p it will start to suffer from VRAM deficiency. I will not upgrade for a while, I'm leaning towards a Intel or AMD card depending on the uplift from my card and VRAM and Bus.

a reviewer i used to watch named flossy carter would be like "these headphones were like 120 bucks."

i am almost very sure nvidia wants to stand out with their blackwellseries a lot (RTX5000) or wants to squeeze in sth like 4060 super