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How One Crazy Chord Can Teach You a Ton of Music Theory

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Bill Hilton

Bill Hilton

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@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
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@Martinbeef
@Martinbeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill. I’m dealing with a lot of depression, and seem to have forgotten the years of music lessons I’ve had in the past 20 years. I’ve got your first book , which is great, but getting out of a depression makes playing music extremely difficult. I hope I can get there. I love the piano and music, and want to play it properly.
@JamesRone
@JamesRone 2 жыл бұрын
Best of luck, Martin.
@coloaten6682
@coloaten6682 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck Martin, I know how you feel. I initially took up piano to deal with depression as well. Practicing scales helped a lot, along with hand independence exercises. My brain found it impossible to think of other things while practicing those.
@nick326697
@nick326697 2 жыл бұрын
Depression is horrible but music is one thing that sometime helps. Good luck!
@nick326697
@nick326697 2 жыл бұрын
Depression is horrible but music is one thing that sometime helps. Good luck!
@Martinbeef
@Martinbeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the replies ❤️
@joemaddock5387
@joemaddock5387 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I agree with the person who said it’s functioning as a B9 (or a B7) I hear it as a V of V thing because it has the same tritone as a B7 would and is leading, effectively, to E.
@yert2008
@yert2008 2 жыл бұрын
Just some useful theory information if you are interested (I'll try to be as clear as possible): In the context of A major, D#m7b5/E is vii(halfdim)/V with the 5th degree of A major (E) in the bass. (this is secondary dominant in function) This is similarly followed by a V7(13) chord with a I in the bass (E7(13)/A). (Note the added 13 is the major 3rd of the key C#) Brahms uses this interesting technique of adding the root of the following chord in the bass to create more tension while still feeling grounded in the motion of the chords. We assume from this pattern of sustained petal tone bass notes that we would resolve to A major but we instead half cadence instead to the main theme. The oblique motion of the E bass being carried into the next chord helps us not to drift too far from our key of A major while visiting D#m7b5 Also a very common and melancholic way to resolve V to I is to include the 13 of your V chord (or that major 3rd note of the key) in the V7 chord.
@pedrofuster9161
@pedrofuster9161 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@demiurge2501
@demiurge2501 2 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful, thanks
@Apfelstrudl
@Apfelstrudl 2 жыл бұрын
THIS!
@TJ-hs1qm
@TJ-hs1qm 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't D#m7b5 be the half diminished vii in the key of E major rather than A major?
@yert2008
@yert2008 2 жыл бұрын
@@TJ-hs1qm it is, however the key of the piece is A major so this is functioning as a secondary dominant.
@steverino3447
@steverino3447 2 жыл бұрын
I would add that the interval of F & B (played together) not only has a tendency to resolve chromatically 'outward' to E & C BUT has an equal tendency to resolve 'inward' to F# & A#. I call this the tritone theory and it's hugely important in understanding jazz chord substitutions.
@lukearmbruster8144
@lukearmbruster8144 2 жыл бұрын
all he means is it resolves to a major third
@waytospergtherebro
@waytospergtherebro 2 жыл бұрын
What else do you call things?
@mosstet
@mosstet 2 жыл бұрын
that's because it is behaving as both C#7 and G7- the 3 and 7 of either of those chords. They both, respectively, resolve to F# or C.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Hey everyone! Somebody yesterday posted a comment suggesting this chord and the one that comes after it are functioning like a heavily modified ii-V (i.e., is it actually a dominant function chord, or predominant?). Unfortunately whoever it was changed their mind and deleted the comment before I got a chance to reply, which is a shame, because it seemed like an interesting thought to me. Thanks for all the interesting analyses, and please keep them coming. I think I might get a whole other video out of the multifarious ways that exist of analysing this chord...! 😂
@nicolaipulley4398
@nicolaipulley4398 2 жыл бұрын
Well, its D#m7b5/E to what seems to be Amaj9, so resolving it to Dmaj would place the key as D lydian and resolving it to Bmin would be B dorian.
@diarmuidkeane1
@diarmuidkeane1 2 жыл бұрын
It's an unrooted B9/E followed by E7/A passing by D/A resolving to A .so it goes II V (IV) I
@terrylaw18
@terrylaw18 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that also after hearing you play the whole phrase that its functioning tonally as a 2 5 1. Read down in the comments and saw a lot of music professors analyzing the heck out of this but isn't the takeaway what you hear? It has the sound of a modified 2 5 1. But isn't that the essence of jazz? Who knew Brahms was a jazz musician?
@terrylaw18
@terrylaw18 2 жыл бұрын
All he's missing is the syncopation. Actually, when you think about it, that's the big difference between classical and rock/pop/jazz. Syncopation.
@PANDORAZTOYBOKZ
@PANDORAZTOYBOKZ 2 жыл бұрын
It would only be functioning as dominant if the progression lead to D- or A#-. Adding a b9 on a D#-7b5 does not give it the function of a diatonic dominant but rather a variation on the iv chord, which is functionally the same since ii and IV are both sub dominant.
@legoguy23451
@legoguy23451 2 жыл бұрын
wow, i was kinda worried this tutorial would've been for complete beginners the way you were using your language, but i was surprised to have learned something both new and very valuable. thank you so much for broadening my horizons as a musician, bill
@harvey66616
@harvey66616 2 жыл бұрын
And yet, one of the "magical" elements of the presentation is that, at least to this rank beginner, there is still information that is both valuable, but more importantly, _digestible_ for a beginner. I admit, there may be still things in the video that went over my head, but I still gained a lot in spite of my inexperience. I mean, at some point the student has to understand at least some of the language being used for the topic, but it's a great teacher who can, as Hinton's done here, break the information down into easy enough to understand bits that the less-educated can still benefit. I really appreciate that element here.
@pctarist
@pctarist 2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember the last time i had a real rush to learn some music theory but you've made it real. Thank you!
@michaelmorgan1610
@michaelmorgan1610 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bill! What a great analysis of this enigmatic chord from Brahms' wonderful Intermezzo Op 118 No2. I immediately fell in love with this glorious piece after hearing it, for the first time, performed as an encore by Radu Lupu in Carnegie Hall, in 2010. The piece, written towards the end of Brahms' life, has haunted me ever since and I like to think it finally expresses, better than unspoken words ever could, his love for Clara, the wife of his close friend, the composer Robert Schumann. Typical of Brahms, this Intermezzo is deceptively difficult to play well!
@povilasl5383
@povilasl5383 2 жыл бұрын
this is an awesome example of context is the most important thing in music, thank you!
@SomethingImpromptu
@SomethingImpromptu 2 жыл бұрын
Quite a good video; as somebody essentially self-teaching my way through the intermediate level of music theory & songwriting & production & guitar, it gave me a lot to think about, so thanks!
@malcolmbritton33
@malcolmbritton33 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill, I so enjoy your channel. I've been a classical pianist for over 50 years but I always find something interesting in your videos. I've been playing that Intermezzo for about 30 years i think, and I've never thought about that sction in this "chord centric" way; probably because i was trained to think in terms of melody and harmony rather than chord progressions. Great stuff, thank you for this perspective.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Malcolm - interestingly, it was musicians like you I had in mind when I first started making these tutorials back in 2009, and although the audience has widened a bit since then it's good to hear I'm still doing something that appeals to the original "target market". You can probably do the Brahms much better justice than I can!
@malcolmbritton33
@malcolmbritton33 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHilton Maybe! 😄. Perhaps you could consider a series analysing classical piano pieces for non classicallly trained musicians? Relating classical music to today's styles would help make it relevant to modern producers and composers? I'm often still amazed to pick up very "modern" melodies and key progressions in classical music, particularly piano repertoire. You could start with Chopin's 4th ballade, I've been trying to understand the coda for 40 years and am still non the wiser - and still can't play it very well either! Keep up the great work Bill!
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmbritton33 Hmmm - that's a very interesting idea, Malcolm. The perpetual bind with this kind of thing is the KZfaq copyright algorithm, which mistakes my playing (it happens to others too) for copyrighted recordings, with all sorts of dire consequences. Even so, there are ways around that. I shall give it some thought. Thanks for the idea!
@malcolmbritton33
@malcolmbritton33 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHilton Great!
@Ted655687653
@Ted655687653 2 жыл бұрын
I like this progression that delays the I chord. Its a B9/E to E7 to A major (or a substitute for A major). The B9 does not have the B expressed, however the B is present as a overtone from the E bass note. Another way to express this chord is vii°7 of V / V bass. The B9/E is a substitute for F#m/E (aka vi/V bass), but instead of adding another third on top of the chord, we add another third below the chord. The D# is a minor third below the F#. Yes, this is a creative substitute. The next chord, E7, could be an E9 or E7 b9. As you say, it depends on the context as to which one sounds best in that situation. Cheers!
@adamgreener3475
@adamgreener3475 2 жыл бұрын
Its also a bit like a ‘5 of 5’ chord. B9( without the root) resolving to E7 and back to a tonic chord. Or alternatively it could be thought of as a heavily suspended E dominant chord with a D# tendency tone thrown in for good measure. Just my take. Sounds very beautiful however we interpret it theoretically
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Adam - you're right that it does have that kind of suspended effect, and I certainly find it easier to make sense of in those kind of composite terms rather than as a unified chord (elsewhere on the thread someone has suggested it's simply an Emaj13 voicing, which is a fair comment, but for me doesn't quite capture what the thing is doing).
@ibanezplayaa
@ibanezplayaa 2 жыл бұрын
I also agree with this theory. When I listen to the resolution, it does seem to function as a V/V-V resolving to a colorful V-I cadence. I think with this analysis, that 4th (E) in the bass really makes for a unique voicing that really piques the ear.
@zinzermunch
@zinzermunch 2 жыл бұрын
I see it more as a #IV approach, D# in the key of A, you can approach the V chord E with the #IV of A, in this case D#, why? Because D# is VII of E and E is V of A, both D#m7b5 and D#dim7 work well, D#m7b5 is VII in E and D#dim7 is VII in Em (D#dim7 borrowing from the parallel minor key Em), Chopin and Liszt use this concept a lot but if I'm not wrong it was Schubert who started it in the classical period, but obviously this approach was widely used and possibly invented by J.S. Bach in the baroque period, in jazz it's called #IV substitution, it's a secondary dominant (VII of V) but with a more dramatic colour. The bass notes E over the D#m7b5 and the A over the E7 chord that follows on the score are simply delayed bass notes, the D# resolves to the E in the next beat and I guess the A bass with the E7 at the top will eventually become an A chord, it's kind of a pedal effect.
@nadasonic6
@nadasonic6 2 жыл бұрын
it's B7 (with an appoggiatura to the root) over E. Common II V I device where the II is dominant and suspended over the root of the V.
@pihermoso11
@pihermoso11 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like a chord from claude debussy's 'claire de lune' anyway i'm terrible at music theory, i only got a few patterns to get back to the root IV - V - I IV - iv (minor 4th) - I IV - iib5add7 (minor 2nd flat 5 add 7) or ivadd6 (minor 4th add 6) - I i heard the minor 2nd flat 5 add 7 is the same chord as the minor 4th add 6 , i really like this chord before going back to the root
@DavidGraves
@DavidGraves 2 жыл бұрын
You have coalesced in this one video ideas that have taken me years to arrive at.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, David - I'm sure there's much more to be said, but I tried to cram in as much useful stuff as I could!
@Jack-fs2im
@Jack-fs2im 2 жыл бұрын
nice vid.growing up in 50s music teachers taught “the authentic cadence’ or 5 to 1 as “The Amen cadence”
@MrMikomi
@MrMikomi 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Amen was IV - I.
@beanzthumbz
@beanzthumbz 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMikomi haha yeah amen is IV-I. Sing it in your head then map it to the chords
@Jack-fs2im
@Jack-fs2im 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMikomi I play it in my piano in church V - 1 amen
@jadeowenhamblyn4405
@jadeowenhamblyn4405 2 жыл бұрын
Amen is a plagal cadence not perfect cadence.
@Jack-fs2im
@Jack-fs2im 2 жыл бұрын
@@jadeowenhamblyn4405 if you want,some use 2m to 1 .I find 4-1 weak and mainly gospel.
@jarlardo
@jarlardo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining. I have seen this chord pop up in some great pieces of music and now I am ready to compose with it myself. I think Elton John used it a lot on his songs
@harukomeyers7073
@harukomeyers7073 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@jamesmitchell6925
@jamesmitchell6925 2 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of tritone substitution is sort of right. It’s usually the root that changes. Not Db7/G but G7/Db (Db7-5-9). Important note about the beginning: it’s not just Dmaj at the beginning but D/A. More on this in a second I see Brahms doing a 2,5,1. Instead of Bm7, E7, A it’s (in my opinion) upper structure B9 (secondary dominant) followed by E13. In his genius, he uses the melody c#,b,d (that finally resolves to c#, b, a). The B9/E followed with E13/A is typical V7/I stuff seen all over classical music. Ultimately it results in a deceptive cadence: II, V7, IV
@AuXXKeyz
@AuXXKeyz 2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@decemberswitch
@decemberswitch 2 жыл бұрын
wow! I recognized the right hand as a Half Diminished chord, but this is the first time I've seen the left hand split like that. Its almost like a 251 with a left hand inversion / left hand playing early. I'm happy you explained the relation to Diminished chords at 12:40. Thanks for the lesson!
@ulfsvensson9710
@ulfsvensson9710 2 жыл бұрын
Exelent lesson!
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ulf!
@swaguilar_
@swaguilar_ 2 жыл бұрын
The infographics and emojis really helped understand what you were saying 👍
@coloaten6682
@coloaten6682 2 жыл бұрын
This video really pulls together many strands, great job Bill. Thanks! :)
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear you like it Col - thanks very much!
@antoniosmusic
@antoniosmusic 2 жыл бұрын
From the perspective of classical music theory all 4 of the notes over E are appoggiaturas, neighbouring dissonant notes of the harmony notes of chord E that resolve with a step.
@thomasbruno5860
@thomasbruno5860 2 жыл бұрын
Your Right! Brahms did make that progression and my ear could not understand it! None the less, I LOVE IT!!! Thanks for allowing me to understand Brahms a "little bit better." (Very Interesting Cord!)
@josdurkstraful
@josdurkstraful 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it functions as a V of V B7/E omitting the root B, secondary dominant for E with the E already in the bass, followed by E (V) to I (I guess it goes to A).
@odedkeren5404
@odedkeren5404 2 жыл бұрын
there we go, I thought so as well - that it's an expansion of the idea of delayed reolution, where B7/E would resolve to E, a typical beethoven device that brahms also uses, only here by the time the dominant sound of D#m7b5 resolves to E713, a dominant, we get A in the bass, like a chain of delayed resolutions.
@jorgemartinez42069
@jorgemartinez42069 2 жыл бұрын
I like this explanation as well. However, as with all things music theory, there is not usually one "correct" interpretation. There can be multiple ways of using music theory to "accurately" explain the same piece.
@TracksWithDax
@TracksWithDax 2 жыл бұрын
This to my ear makes the most sense by far. Especially when you hear it in context in the example he put in the description
@gtrdaveg
@gtrdaveg 2 жыл бұрын
Take a _ii > V > I,_ change the _ii_ to major, so that it functions as a secondary dominant onto the _V,_ extend the chords for some extra flavour so you end up with _II9 > V7 > I_ and now take the root away from the _II9_ chord (you don't need it) and voila! Then bring the bass notes in one chord too soon because Brahms and you're sorted.
@passage2enBleu
@passage2enBleu 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent that you give classical examples. Thanks.
@CommunicationsPC
@CommunicationsPC 2 жыл бұрын
KInda roughly knew about the theory behind this lesson, but it's very helpful to hear it explained and confirmed by a pro like yourself. Now I know for sure. This deepens my understanding ! Great lesson ! Thanks !
@michaeldeloatch7461
@michaeldeloatch7461 2 жыл бұрын
I have been a fan of classical music since childhood. However I can clearly recall I didn't "get" Johannes Brahms at all until I hit my mid 30s. Now that I am looking at the commencement of my declining years, I can't imagine life without the consoling genius of Brahms. Not to say I can play classical myself worth a hoot, and have never tried intermezzos, but this particular chord has always stood out to me while listening to this piece. Thanks for the explanation.
@Healingmind1
@Healingmind1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow😍 this is very nice lovely ambience music and video. Nice sharing my friend!👏
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@johngilbert184
@johngilbert184 2 жыл бұрын
Super clear explanation. very helpful for chord prog design. Many thanks.
@tdlabs
@tdlabs 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing your knowledge ! keep up the great work! cheers from Portugal !
@smokey6455
@smokey6455 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! However, I was waiting for you to use that pencil the whole video 🤣 why were you holding it?? Lmao
@prismaux5168
@prismaux5168 2 жыл бұрын
This video was absolutely great even to someone with very minimal music theory knowledge.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you - really glad you liked it!
@sebastianmoggia4800
@sebastianmoggia4800 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
@chicolofi
@chicolofi 2 жыл бұрын
Great lesson! Including the English lesson, since your pronunciation is absolutely clear to a non native like me. Thanks!
@sarsedacn
@sarsedacn 2 жыл бұрын
very illustrative tutorial. Thanks a lot Bill
@Amateursdelight
@Amateursdelight 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Very enlightening.
@lilycarone5116
@lilycarone5116 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video!!
@arxaaron
@arxaaron 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully rich and descriptive language for describing the chords and sounds. :-)
@cunjoz
@cunjoz 2 жыл бұрын
the reason you can find this chord in Brahms and not in the boring classical music is because Brahms isn't classical but romantic. i'm not saying that classical is boring ofc, but there's a valid reason why people in general consider it boring - it adheres to a strict set of rules. romanticism was a break from that and that's why music from that period is considered more interesting.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
All good points, thank you! I would say that it’s pretty standard to refer to art music in the western tradition, especially that the predates the mid-twentieth century, as “classical”. Most writers then use a capital C to differentiate the Classical style and era (of Haydn, Mozart etc) within that tradition.
@andyfrankland-davies2164
@andyfrankland-davies2164 2 жыл бұрын
Way above my knowledge level this... but so much made sense. Will try a few more of your clips. 30+ years of being a musician... only 2 years ago did I try and read a score ;)
@ronbanks312
@ronbanks312 2 жыл бұрын
This has sparked a fire in me to sit behind my piano and explore new territory. I feel like Christopher Columbus looking,, searching for land undiscovered full of wonderful new treats treasures
@robertshaffer9166
@robertshaffer9166 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm it’s kind of like the bass notes are doing a ii-V-I in D while the rest of the notes are doing a vii of V and a V7 in A. Like the upper harmonies are doing a fake out like it’s going to the I, but the bass is telling you the truth. Neat!
@ruanof7
@ruanof7 2 жыл бұрын
Great upload !, thanks.
@steellemonstudios
@steellemonstudios 2 жыл бұрын
There and Back Again: A chord progression’s journey
@maclayyc
@maclayyc 2 жыл бұрын
It feels much more like some sort of suspended B/E, since the C# has tension that would resolve first down to B, and then the whole thing like V-I to E major (although it's left hanging in the Brahms)
@Horzinicla
@Horzinicla 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds a lot like the beginning of one of my favorite songs "Oh Lori"
@justinpeter5752
@justinpeter5752 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was a very well done video! I will subscribe.
@yansa1966
@yansa1966 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@ronbanks312
@ronbanks312 2 жыл бұрын
This was so cool! At first I was thinking who plays an E bass with an E flat or D sharp Min 7 flat 5???? Lol
@jorgemartinez42069
@jorgemartinez42069 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, great video! You're very good at explaining these concepts.
@Somanybeats
@Somanybeats 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@HybridMusicians
@HybridMusicians 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly formatted lesson!
@samuelbrown434
@samuelbrown434 2 жыл бұрын
I might call this a sus chord because it resolves like one. 4 falling down to 3. It has an additional element though that is nice and spicy: the Major 7th falling down to the Minor 7th. So there’s a parallel tritone that doesn’t sound as dissonant the first time because there are other clashing notes. The second time the tritone exposed and not obscured as being part of a triad and so sounds harsher. Overall it’s building in dissonance to get a super satisfying resolution to get back to the theme.
@vurbddum
@vurbddum 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial, i'll be sure to check out some more. Thanks.
@AtomizedSound
@AtomizedSound 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a nice flat 9 sounding chord with the flat 9th in the bass.
@juliabrooke4544
@juliabrooke4544 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, Your videos have been such an inspiration to me. I know this doesn't have anything to do with the video, but I've just recently gotten back to playing the piano. I've always wanted to improvise, and your videos have been a great help, but I'm stuck at the moment. I don't know if there might be some music theory that I'm missing that will help. I just really need to get out of this rut that I'm in. :)
@michaelcarlos2064
@michaelcarlos2064 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Jonny May's channel: kzfaq.info. Like you I'm playing again after a very long break, and I'm loving his channel. Learn something fabulous every time I go there.
@rockstarjazzcat
@rockstarjazzcat 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@l.g.brandon4294
@l.g.brandon4294 2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Thanks!
@mothra87
@mothra87 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent lesson... Thanks!
@RobWickline
@RobWickline 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, what is the software you are using to show the digital piano highlighting the notes you are playing? I have been searching for something like this for my virtual students and have been struggling to find something.
@penndragon22
@penndragon22 2 жыл бұрын
First play of the chord made me think Jamiroquai Virtual Insanity
@straightupanarg6226
@straightupanarg6226 2 жыл бұрын
I see you are a man of taste
@rickhbrown
@rickhbrown 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill, well done
@justburnin
@justburnin 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@RenanteNate
@RenanteNate 2 жыл бұрын
it is a simple F#m7/E or ii7/I. This is a part of ii-V-! chord progression
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
It’s certainly *close* to that, and arguably had a similar effect (someone else on the thread has pointed out it can be interpreted as a modified ii-V-I). But F#m7 is F#-A-C#-E - no D#, which is playing a very prominent role here.
@BurakBaduroglu
@BurakBaduroglu 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@sorin.n
@sorin.n 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@DavidFeilyMusic
@DavidFeilyMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe A13(#11)/E resolving eventually to D? My ear initially heard it as E13 type chord. Emaj13(add4)? I guess I don’t know the piece well enough to say for sure. I would be reluctant to call it a D#m7b5/E. Rootless B9/E as others have mentioned as alternate?
@johnmcminn9455
@johnmcminn9455 2 жыл бұрын
I am wondering the names of classical cadences "vii half diminished" is used. if you wiki cadence you get a history of how cadences progressed though out the years with great composers , they try to do something different to get a distinct sound, the Baroque Era had one sound, Classical Era another , romantic used a lot of diminished principal " Beethovan" Modern Era got away from functional harmony" circle of fifths walk downs" and refused to resolve " Modal harmony" the other basic knowledge " tri tone sub" and Tonic sub Tonic, half cadence" could have easily been for another video linked in the description for those who don't know.
@gersten1008
@gersten1008 2 жыл бұрын
Thought this was a hello foe video with Adam Neely text because of the thumbnail
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that Adam did *cough cough* inspire the thumbnail. I hope he takes it as an acknowledgment of how outstanding he is!
@TheGoodGoodMan
@TheGoodGoodMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@brijmohannig9474
@brijmohannig9474 2 жыл бұрын
Sir, can you please recommend a video from your channel on how to make your own jazz chord progressions with jazz chord formulas? Am looking for free jazz piano tutorials and those which teach to make your own chord progressions and improvisation.
@andreipetrov4850
@andreipetrov4850 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, I am for the first time here. I am not a musician, either (just trying to better understand music by playing…). However I am interested in the theoretical aspects, especially harmonic minor (sick and tired of western school starting everything from C :-)))). Sorry, while everything about tensions seems to be legit, E does not seem to formally belong to D#m7b5 (in order to be shown as /E like an inversion) -???:-) - sorry for being silly but something looks like I am not getting here… (however, don’t you think that it might be one of the reasons classic composers do not need to indicate chords (harmony) explicitly? Perhaps, they are just that good to create tensions by ear, without thinking how to properly make a stack of the triads?..)
@deancholakis2047
@deancholakis2047 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful music, and interesting harmony. I thank you for that. For me personally, there was too much time spent explaining basic cadences. 8 minutes? The video would have been better with a brief explanation of dominant and plagal cadences, and then the concept of a secondary dominant - B9/E to E13/A !!!
@evangoodrow
@evangoodrow 2 жыл бұрын
Secondary dominants with sustained bass figures
@ThomasJLarsen
@ThomasJLarsen 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking the first time I heard the chord. Thanks for writing my message. 🙂 This cord is screaming for a E7 of some kind. Nice it comes with an A in the bass.
@jmarkinman
@jmarkinman 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I think you mislabeled this chord and your analysis was quite off, even if your main point about tension and release is correct. That is NOT a d-sharp min 7 flat5/E in the Brahms. As you say, context is important. The E in the bass is actually a dominant pedal tone that resolves to a Tonic pedal. And the C# in the melody is not a harmonic tone, it is a non-harmonic tone known as an appoggiatura, this tone is actually resolved to the harmonic tone B, and in the right hand you have a simple B7 which is the V7/V. Honestly have an expert check your analysis first. This is a V7/V in first inversion over a dominant pedal resolving to V7 in third inversion over a tonic pedal.
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting points, djinnman, thank you. Re: getting my reasoning “checked with an expert”, I’m sure that’s good advice, but it begs the question “which one!?” This thread appears to be full of music theory experts - and they’re all analysing this chord differently 😂 This is my analysis, and it’s the one that I feel best makes my underlying point to an audience that mostly doesn’t have classical training. But I realise there are other possible analyses, and I’m grateful to you for offering yours!
@khe84
@khe84 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHilton sorry I admire Bill Hilton's idea in overall, but I also can't deny telling the chord as 'Ebm7b5/E' or 'D#m7b5/E" feels like very microscopic to me. As the right-hand voicing is extended shape and 'bass-omitted' form of B7, I'm more likely to agree with dijinnman's idea. Probably Brahms didn't intend that voicing as minor7b5 but bass-pedaled extended dominant or some sort. But looking that one bright moment and calling the chord as 'D#m7b5/E' feels very Jazzy to me. Nice stuff.
@jmarkinman
@jmarkinman 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHilton A lot of expert musicians are not expert theorists, and while there are a lot of ways those particular chord notes can be used, the context of the Brahms is clearly that of a V7 of V over a pedal tone, which means the root of the chord is not D-sharp, it is B, which is implied by the appoggiatura. If however, there was no appoggiatura and the C-sharp never went to B, then yes, that would be a D-sharp diminished minor 7 chord, aka half-diminished 7th. But that isn't what happened.
@ignacioalberdi3063
@ignacioalberdi3063 2 жыл бұрын
B7/ E = E sus4 ..7# and 9 . second part of this equation is ugly.. and non functional.. B7/ E IS functional .. tacking in count that c# is only appogiatura like djinnman said. and also E is pedal point waiting B7 become E7 simplest right ?
@jmarkinman
@jmarkinman 2 жыл бұрын
@@ignacioalberdi3063 Yes, except I want to correct myself, I looked more closely at the sheet music and the appoggiatura is best understood as an escape tone as the C-sharp comes in from an A chord and is not step-wise.
@captainred441
@captainred441 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's great to at last find a channel on music theory with the presenter not sounding almost hysterical and with 'background music' at the same volume level as the presenter's voice. Subscribing.
@ewallt
@ewallt 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of a chord that has the tonic within itself as an unstable chord that resolves nicely is to combine the tonic with a subdominant minor. For example, F Ab D on the bottom, G C E on the top, an F minor major chord, resolves nicely to C major. These same notes will sound nice and resolve nicely in many different orders. For example, with the G in the bass, it’s a sus b9 chord, making a nice V/I resolution, especially with the beautiful Ab. The comment about the tension chord having the tonic within it made me think of this as another example. A IVmn -> I is such a pretty resolution, it’s pretty cool that you can combine the two into one chord, and get a nice resolution that way too.
@Yadeehoo
@Yadeehoo 2 жыл бұрын
A minor b5 is also called a diminished chord
@cyanhallows7809
@cyanhallows7809 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But not appropriate in this context, half dim vs full dim vs m7b5 creates needless confusion
@Yadeehoo
@Yadeehoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@cyanhallows7809 I agree half dim creates confusion, just call the chord a dim7. Either minor b5 or dim is totally fine, dim is just more convenient to write with the º sign for example G#º
@hybridziro4765
@hybridziro4765 2 жыл бұрын
i hear more poeple call Jazz just playing random notes than people saying classical is boring.
@shriram5494
@shriram5494 2 жыл бұрын
Really? you can get a copyright infringement strike from playing a classical piece from the 1890s? Isnt that in the public domain by now??
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the piece is public domain, but recent professional recordings of it are copyrighted. The algorithm often mistakes classical stuff I play for other recordings, which causes copyright problems. It’s a pretty well-known problem that affects quite a few people who make piano tutorials on KZfaq.
@claudiakramer4516
@claudiakramer4516 2 жыл бұрын
This is a Lydian6 chord and your voicing it like a Phrygian minor 7, which it is also
@ButthurtNinja
@ButthurtNinja 2 жыл бұрын
This chord is on Jerry Was A Racecar Driver... I think.
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 2 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup for this. I'm too much of a beginner to understand most of this, but I like your explanations. I'll check in again when I have earned my chops. (Do I get points for almost sounding like a musician?)
@darklightmotion5534
@darklightmotion5534 2 жыл бұрын
>Do I get points for... No. >:( you get hella points for striving to educate yourself
@raaron4315
@raaron4315 2 жыл бұрын
You could also call it a lydian chord, or A#11/E, and it's a lot less confusing lol. But you explained it fantastically. I learned a lot!
@nomore2001
@nomore2001 2 жыл бұрын
Are you using a piano or a keyboard Bill?
@adlfm
@adlfm 2 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of scared that this Brahms piece is the first thing I thought of (before he mentioned it).
@jakeb3849
@jakeb3849 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, but I think the volume of your piano is quite low compared to your voiceover.
@realraven2000
@realraven2000 2 жыл бұрын
I am missing an explanation on how it resolves. obviously going straight back to the tonic would be highly unsatisfactory. I guess there is some detour over a five?
@Mizzdr111
@Mizzdr111 2 жыл бұрын
Thats Locrian or Phrygian at best. The bass an inversion is a minor 2nd so you can play those scales. quite dim
@skylergoodman3889
@skylergoodman3889 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man. So Thats actually just a B7/E then an E7 over E to A. it's a 2 5 1 dude. That C# is just a suspension, he resolves it right after...
@andrewphillips-hird3761
@andrewphillips-hird3761 2 жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video wondering how long Tristan and Isolde would take to appear lol
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
I cam *this* close to mentioning the Tristan chord, Andrew, since one reading of it is Fm7b5 (though obvs the voicing completely changes how it actually functions, and I don't have a PhD in Wagnerian harmony etc etc). Anyway, given the controversy and multiple valid analyses this bit of Brahms has generated (see below...) it's probably a good job I left Wagner out of it 😂
@andrewphillips-hird3761
@andrewphillips-hird3761 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHilton I'm by no means an expert either but my impression is that the Tristan chord almost does away with harmony by shifting the focus drastically over to voice leading rather than what notes are being played simultaneously. That was at least the impression I got playing the cor anglais and noticing that I was often going up 1 voice at a time with each repetition
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewphillips-hird3761 Yes, my understanding too. I'd like to understand more about his harmony, but I've never really much enjoyed the music - I can see its brilliance, but it's never been something I listen to for the fun of it, which, as you'll no doubt know yourself, can be a big barrier to making sense of something.
@Pingoping
@Pingoping 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't it called D# half dim/E? Edit: nvm you mentioned it in the video
@marcushoyt527
@marcushoyt527 2 жыл бұрын
If you give it a b it’s just a B9
@Blake22022
@Blake22022 2 жыл бұрын
Why is g7 played with an F and not and F sharp???
@matteolibutti
@matteolibutti 2 жыл бұрын
also called Emaj13..
@BillHilton
@BillHilton 2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed - it’s the notes of Emaj13, but, given the voicing, esp in the upper structure, I decided that I wasn’t quite satisfied with it as a label. The perils of trying to name complex chords… 😂
@Andreas_Straub
@Andreas_Straub 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this eye- (or ear-?) opening video! Creates a lot of new ideas and approaches to finding chords :-)
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