How One Of World’s Best Self Propelled Artillery Guns Lost Its Reputation In The Ukraine War

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Жыл бұрын

The German Panzerhaubitze or PzH 2000, which is considered the new substitute for old Soviet artillery in the Ukrainian military, is encountering difficulties operating in the country's challenging terrain. This information was shared in a recent article from The New York Times and other media posts.
The muddy conditions during the spring season are causing problems for both Russian and Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine. It is impeding their movements and slowing down their operations. Moreover, the state of the terrain is posing a challenge for Ukrainian troops who are using a German-made 155mm howitzer that is highly susceptible to dirt and grime.
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@volairn70 Жыл бұрын

Some parts of this is BS. You need to clean every gun with "a long brush." That is routine maintenance for literally every howitzer.

@deven6518 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the question is when. After the weapon is done, and in a relatively safe space....yeah. Every few shots and before every setup so the gun can get a proper read....ehhh, not so much. All that....to achieve no significant gains in results.

@jdogdarkness Жыл бұрын

@volairn70 That's kinda what I'm thinking. This is the first time I'm hearing about an "image loss" for Pzh. Literally all vehicles tracked or not face these issues. Heavier systems even more so. All electronics are susceptible to water lol.

@jdogdarkness Жыл бұрын

Finally, maybe Russian propagandists aren't the best sources lol.

@SegzWithTedCruz Жыл бұрын

Keep huffing that copium

@volairn70 Жыл бұрын

@@SegzWithTedCruz lol it isn't copium to call out needing to clean the barrel on a howitzer as something that isn't routine. It is literally one of the most basic practices of routine gun maintenance for any gun. Keep the bore clean. Period

@Norvecte.doktor Жыл бұрын

This is normal. You have a product to work in a different environment. German industry will definitely improve it.

@MrCemicalX Жыл бұрын

Yeah, granted the mud-season in Ukraine is infamous and I have yet to hear vehicles traverse it easily. These mud seasons just are not there in the other countrys that operate them, like Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. One thing I remember reading about the Pzh2000 problems though was that the daily fire missions that Ukraine's military needed exeeded the barrels intended design of the Pzh2000. Which makes sense for NATO doctrine as they are less artillery focused and more so on air-superiority. It's all about adapting and tweaking the hardware and the western arms industries and armies will get a lot of viable feedback.

@albertkowalski5629 Жыл бұрын

@@MrCemicalX Polish Krab howitzer is duing very well in muds of Ukraine.

@MrCemicalX Жыл бұрын

@@albertkowalski5629 Really? Interesting, what suspension does it use? I know its lighter than the Pzh2000, granted its probably among the heaviest cause of the armor for its class. Does Krab go withthe rubber or steel tracks?

@heikos4264 Жыл бұрын

@@albertkowalski5629 Yup, Krab is so much better that Ukraine ordered exactly double the amount of PZH2000 (50 Krab & 100 PZH200). But crap aside. Grow up little fanboy. Both system are very good and they compliment each other.

@DavidJones-bl1ti Жыл бұрын

@@MrCemicalX Also they no doubt expected it to be used in larger numbers which would lower the number of times each one needed to be fired per day.

@pastormango6688 10 ай бұрын

Bad vehicle? The funny thing is: None of them have been destroyed, a lancet drone hit one of them but its armor protected the vehicle and nothing happened to it, plus they have destroyed a lot of russian equipment, that's where your argument falls apart

@Rick2010100 Жыл бұрын

In this mud season EVERY vehicle get struck, the seasonn is called Rasputiza the ground is deep froozen and when the upper layer get gets warm and thawed, the water can not seep away as the lower layers are still froozen. The region is also in a trough so the mud becomes very deep, and no vehicle can move, even those on tracks. The PZH2000 is on tracks, but has a high weight wich has always to be considered by choosing their positions. With a range of over 40 mi, the choice of the right position should be not that problem. The German military is also in favour of hiding the PZH2000 on steady ground with camouflage nets wich emulate trees instead of using natural bushes.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

you know, just for information. Ukraine's infrastructure is a legacy of the Soviet Union. 50% of bridges in Ukraine cannot pass a 50 ton vehicle. And the PzH 2000 weighs 58 tons. makes it difficult to use in Ukraine, especially during raputista

@philchristmas4071 Жыл бұрын

Every interview I've seen with Ukrainians they absolutely praise the PZH2000 as the best artillery piece they have.

@VunderGuy Жыл бұрын

Well beggers can't be choosers so it wouldn't make sense for them to add the asterisk after that statement of 'When the mud doesn't maul it like it does the rest of our exceptionally heavy western supplied equipment I'll suited for the terrain compared to soviet style equipment.'

@darthnagus5457 Жыл бұрын

It's an excellent piece of equipment but to be fair any vehicle would get stuck in the mud.

@hellboystein2926 Жыл бұрын

Correct, EVERY tank can have difficulties with Mud if the deep Black-Soil-Grounds there are soaked. (exept maybe these extrem light and nimble Tracked recon Vehicles like the Britisch CVR(T)s or the Wiesel). But thats propably also a reason why Ukraine hasn't started by now with its big stampede towards Mariupol!

@letsgorandom1380 Жыл бұрын

If they say it's shit, the Germans might think twice to send more.

@hellboystein2926 Жыл бұрын

@@letsgorandom1380 They arn't' shit' by any means, fact is, that the 2S7 Pion don't uses any kind of electronics, what might prevent electronic failures(LOL) but also prevent its fire-control system from beeing accurate by ignoring things like corrections for weather, actual measured barrel velocities...

@lexxro87 9 ай бұрын

Lost its Reputation? What the hell are you talking about?! It is one of the best Artillery Systems and Performing outstanding things in Ukraine.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

@mackie5004 Жыл бұрын

The PZH is a 100% counter artillery system designed for central european grounds. We tested it in the army against the old M109 and towed howitzers. With proper recon, the system is absolutely superior. What it needs in Ukraine are proper tracks and the right strategy.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

@Verdun-fp5ez Жыл бұрын

😅 During the Rasputitsa seasons (the wet seasons); everything gets stuck in the Eastern European mud. Even russian tanks... And by the time a russian peony crew has installed their tripod and azimuth circle; a PZH2000 has fired 2 shots and the russian peony has become airborne. C'mon.

@deven6518 Жыл бұрын

Why not compare it to the 2s19/2s33 and the 2s35 guns? Different weapons you see. I'm pretty sure that'd be a better comparison, because the 2S7 system is a far heavier gun....which could not be accommodated on a similar chassis.

@stevencharnock9271 Жыл бұрын

Napoleon found his wagons stuck in the mud anything with any weight gets bogged down very quickly. You can see WW2 footage of German horse and carts stuck up so heavy guns have no chance.

@SRB.4S 8 ай бұрын

It's an idea, that is, a theory that it might be like that, as you said... Except that it didn't happen... PZH-2000 didn't destroy a single Russian/Soviet self-propelled howitzer?! Which speaks volumes, that theory and propaganda is something completely different from practice, which is much more significant! The PZH-2000 was such a good howitzer in practice, that the Ukrainians put it out of use... And the old Soviet/Russian self-propelled howitzers, as well as the new ones, performed much better in terms of performance, usability, maintenance, passability, robustness ... While on-target performance is the same or better than Soviet/Russian self-propelled howitzers. Also, it's rare that even the old Soviet self-propelled howitzers use a tripod, so it's a fabrication, someone lied to you, probably western propaganda... As for the mud in Ukraine and in general in Eastern Europe, that's exactly what you said. But Russian Soviet/Russian tanks as well as self-propelled howitzers can move on that terrain, the only ones cannot, or the movement is difficult in some extreme conditions... While at the first rains and the first mud, western tanks and self-propelled howitzers are no longer usable, because can't move on that terrain...Because of poorly designed drive, tracks, wheel suspensions, and the weight of western tanks and self-propelled howitzers, which are too heavy for this terrain in Ukraine.

@Jazz_03 8 ай бұрын

@@SRB.4S I think the western allies have no problems with becoming back their equipment. If the PZH2000 is so shitty...why there are no pieces back in the giving country's ? Because this channel talks a lot of BS and u believe this propaganda ^^ The accuracy of the western Howitzers are far more formidable than every Russian BS howitzer on earth. For the guided shells u need the western howitzers. So... the Ukraine cant live without this weapons. They didnt have enough ammunition for their Russian howitzers. They want the Nato shells and the Nato Howitzers. And if u think Russian heavy weapons can run in this terrain, thats BS. ur field of view is so far from the reality that it is laughable ^^ Thats why streets are so important at this war. This equipment stuck in the mud like their western counterparts. So pls inform urself and stop talking BS.

@selmerca Жыл бұрын

3:18 There may be rubber treads on PzH2000 tracks. They are there to protect normal streets in peace time, but of course you can remove them if needed. smh

@j.h.7334 7 ай бұрын

The stupid reporter, paid by Moscow, doesn't know that.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

The tracks have different size to the t72 tank. so you need a new production line to make it.

@ivoferin8176 Жыл бұрын

Lost its reputation? This is clickbait...I thought the PzH2000 was an artillery piece not a cross country asset. Mud impairs every single armored vehicle, wheeled vehicle, 4WD everything (besides the Sherp, even any tractor gets bogged down in mud) ... Some to more others to less degree... In soft ground the Pion performs better when moving and relocating? Sure, ok... Does it shoot better? I doubt it. Adjusting your fire missions to move around in harder roads or without going to open fields in muddy season seems a rather small trade off to what the H2000 can offer.

@albertkowalski5629 Жыл бұрын

Are you joking? For example. Polish Krab howitzer is duing very well in muds of Ukraine.

@simon_7620 Жыл бұрын

@@albertkowalski5629 it's suffering pretty much the same problems with the difference that the Pzh2000 is a bit heavier but also better armored and has a higher survivability

@embreis2257 Жыл бұрын

plus this monster weighs 55 tonnes, ofc it gets stuck in Ukrainian mud during raspustitsa.

@albertkowalski5629 Жыл бұрын

@@simon_7620 no, its not. It has the same survivalibity against drones or Artillery compared to krab. Main difference is there are 4 times more Krabs on Ukrainian battlefield than Pzh2000, that's why you see more Krabs destroyed by Lancet drones.

@simon_7620 Жыл бұрын

@@albertkowalski5629 well no. First of all the Pzh2000 stores it's charges in separate compartments with Blow out panals. Someting the Krab doesn't have have, the Pzh2000 is able to withstand Anti Tank Bomblets and small Detonation from above bc it has the so called hedgehog add on armor. That's why the Pzh2000 survived 2 direct Hits with Lancet Drones and all the Krabs exploded. Ukraine got 72 Krabs and 16 got heavy damaged or Destroyed. That's every 4.6875 got damaged so it can no longer be used. Of 28 used Pzh2000 only 2 where damaged so they needed repair. That's every 14 got damaged so it can no longer be used. At least these are the visual confirmed ones but it's fact and confirmed by Ukraine that no a single Pzh2000 got Destroyed. technically is one less for the Krab and Pzh2000 since one Krab Throw it's barrel bc it was overused and one Pzh2000 got damaged by splinters on the Barrel so I has to be checked. But Throwing the Barrel can also not happen with the Pzh2000 bc the system is warning you before it. That's the main problem Ukraine had with the Pzh2000 at the start. The system is blocking the use before something can happen you still have a missive safety margin but the system don't want to go into it. This was also changed later. My point is the Pzh2000 is the safest SPH to operate. Yeah it's a heavier system but also safer for the crew. A lvl or crew protection no other SPH in active service can offer.

@andrescarmona6993 Жыл бұрын

The problem is probably bad maintenence. People think you can give a lot of different weapons to Ukraine and that's enough to win the war, but the logistics is the most difficult part to achieve to keep this weapons functioning.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

2S19 Msta-S use same t72 engine and transmission But PzH 2000 don't use leopard engine and transmission 😂

@3rno1nf 21 күн бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Yes, but replacing the Power Pack on the PzH-2000 and Leopards is about 30 minutes. You can not make such a thing with the russian ones.

@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын

I suspect that tracks can be developed with better performance in mud. The sensitivity to dirt is more of a concern but accuracy inevitably requires tight tolerances.

@hellboystein2926 Жыл бұрын

The Chassis of the PzHb-2000 is lend by the proven Leopard-1 tank, but 'a bit more loaded' propably because the Leo1 has around ~45t, whilst the PzHb2000 has 50+tonns of weight.

@bugaboo-bricks Жыл бұрын

Yeah, just take the rubber pads off.

@adamabele785 8 ай бұрын

The rubber pads are an adaptation for Germany. You'd position this artillery pieces in mountainous terrain in woods with rocky ground and drive on paved roads more or less. Germany has lots of roads all over the place and very little undeveloped land. So you would use the existing roads to change position quickly. Metal tracks would be very expensive in Germany, because you need to repair all the roads and bridges each time you use it.

@Handyman1703 Жыл бұрын

I think the comment is exagerated. Yes there are dirt issues but Ukraine is still very happy with this system.

@enescustovic1883 Жыл бұрын

You need a vacuum cleaner to make sure the inside doesnt get too dirty or humid. Now that's german design... This war is actually a blessing to see how all these pieces of equipment really work in reality, not in some showroom.

@FairladyS130 Жыл бұрын

Yes, instead of providing a vacuum cleaner lol how about making the susceptible components environmentally protected.

@pr248 Жыл бұрын

@@FairladyS130 A clean vehicle is one that is less likely to malfunction. Crews of all vehicles will have at the very least, a brush to clean them out and will be very well drilled to clean them as often as possible to keep them spotlessly clean. Otherwise it will be more likey to fail, start to become unpleasant for the troop to operate in and worse of all, you will get absolutley bollocked by by your commander for not looking after an expensive piece of euipment designed to protect you and save the lives of your fellow troops.

@FairladyS130 Жыл бұрын

@@pr248 Of course but the function and reliability of a fighting vehicle should not depend on attention that may not always be possible in combat situations.

@pr248 Жыл бұрын

@@FairladyS130 Other than heavy mud, I very much doubt these things are being rendered useless due to a bit of dust and dirt.

@FairladyS130 Жыл бұрын

@@pr248 There were computer related problems reported a while ago, it seems like those sorts of items should be climate proofed.

@blackginkgo8169 8 ай бұрын

Im glad that many people here understand and defend our equipment, the rasputiza season and have the common sense to tell that every vehicle will face this problem. Brushing the barrel? Rubberpads in the field? Thats regular maintenance and stupidity for the latter, rubberpads are only for streets and not for war time operation. Of course tanks and vehicles have to be cleaned, but the PZH2000, Marder and Leopard1/2 have also ventilation systems that prevent moisture. Jesus is it that hard to do research? There is no image loss or reputation loss, when regular maintenance is already a problem...

@simonhall3590 Жыл бұрын

As far as I know they are praising the PHZ2000. Ím very surprised by this video. Unheard of…

@sp7873 11 ай бұрын

lmost of the content is bs or exagerated

@holdenmcgroin8699 Жыл бұрын

Panzer: survives mortar hits but dies from dust and mud Peony: dies from any hit but survives from dust and mud

@deven6518 Жыл бұрын

Good luck surviving a mortar shot. It's meant for splinters from a mortar attack, a couple metres away, meaning not a direct hit. Such damage will also not destroy most armored vehicles. Most actual tanks though will be destroyed by a direct mortar hit, or severely damaged if its a light mortar. The pzh is no different.

@Defort-jd8xe Жыл бұрын

the PzH 2000 survives shit.

@darthsidius9631 8 ай бұрын

I don't know if that's true but 😂😂😂

@martinkaliszczuk1955 Жыл бұрын

They need to introduce ostketten for the pzh2000 if its a real problem

@dirty_doxer6868 Жыл бұрын

UKR MOD just called it "prob the best Howitzer in the world" TRY HARDER!

@adamabele785 8 ай бұрын

The PzH 2000 is designed for Germany. German crews take 18 months of training, the Ukrainians never had that time, and unavoidably they lack some skills and experience needed for the maintenance necessary. This is like sending a 400 hp Porsche to a ploughing contest with 80 hp tractors. You need to use every equipment for the purpose it is designed. The number of PzH 2000 delivered to Ukraine is small, so it can not outweigh hundreds of Russian tanks and artillery, but it can play an important role in specialized operations with quick manoeuvres. And the last source you need to ask about the efficiency, operability, or usability is a Russian propagandist. This guy never in his life has ever seen it with his own eyes or god forbid has worked with it or ever been on the battlefield ever. The guys that got hit and roasted will not report, and you can not see and hardly determine which gun has fired the artillery shell that gave the deadly blow. Russia should encourage more deliveries of this artillery because it will give them an advance if it is THAT bad. The last thing to notice is that the German engineers that build this system are smart and will have a look at every problem and will work on improvements and more reliability for the next generation of that artillery. The PzH is so bad, that Ukraine ordered the delivery of 100 more of this system. They will send gifts to Russia with love.🔧🔬🔭🎯♥🪦

@bluthammer1442 Жыл бұрын

there's something ballsup here. They are complaining about a heavy tracked vehicle getting stuck in mud, like all the others... which is why during the muddy period ...err.. anyway

@pr248 Жыл бұрын

The very same mud that slowed the advance of Russian forces against Kyiv right at the start of the invasion.

@opponenspericulo Жыл бұрын

Many believe tracked SPG are generally much sturdier in rough terrain than wheeled ones. Now we see the new classic eastern front. This is why they need the promised 12-20 Archer systems in place; lightning quick, 6-wheel drive with very high ground clearance and able to operate with all wheels punctured, and the weight is about a third of the Pzh2000. The reach is longer (longer barrel).

@phatnguyen4803 Жыл бұрын

No, the Arrcher will stuck in that muddy terrain for 100%, the problem with the PHz 2000 is it's too heavy(the Krab and Paladin as well the Soviet/Russian era SPG still pose their great effectiveness in Ukraine), also, it is too expensive so it will be an enormous loss if some of them destroyed

@opponenspericulo Жыл бұрын

@@phatnguyen4803 What do you mean "for 100%"? If you have no real knowledge, do not comment.

@HingerlAlois 8 ай бұрын

What makes you think that Archer has a longer barrel? They are both 155mm L52.

@opponenspericulo 8 ай бұрын

@@HingerlAlois Maybe it is no longer, an illusion bec af the different designs. Ive heard it has a bit longer barrel, I could be wrong. Anyhow, it has a brutal range, 60km+ w the right ammo.

@HingerlAlois 8 ай бұрын

@@opponenspericulo With fancy ammunition like Vulcano Guided Long Range (GLR) you can reach 70km with 155mm L52 howitzers like PzH2000, Archer etc. Unfortunately those shells are of course expensive and only available in limited numbers. Germany ordered last year (at least) 255 VULCANO GLR shells for Ukraine.

@johhny711 Жыл бұрын

Bullsh1t, all tanks and Self-propelled Howitzers struggle in mud and all gun barrels have to be cleaned regularly.

@hungabastahdeluxe3751 Жыл бұрын

I recommend a Vorwerk vacuum cleaner. However, due to the lack of sales staff at the front, the procurement renders difficulties.

@jdogdarkness Жыл бұрын

This video is literally describing the same problems Napolein faced as new problem only the Pzh faces lol. This is like the oldest core problem with armored vehicles. It would be different if he described hardware limitations specific to Pzh, but largely he doesn't. Rubber tracks & something about electronics is the closest he comes.

@lordsesshomaru8960 Жыл бұрын

Its not surprising, mud has always been a problem for armies & artillery to move through.

@jeanettewest Жыл бұрын

Getting stuck in "abnormally wet conditions". Well any heavy equipment will get stuck if you drive it into this situation. Getting stuck isn't limited to this piece by itself. How silly this observation.

@IsraelMilitaryChannel Жыл бұрын

Mobility is a must for superb logistics

@pilotjoe4963 Жыл бұрын

Besides the matter of fact that Ukrainians praise the PZH2000, they will even get the new RCH155! This is even more maneuverable.

@tasman006 Жыл бұрын

Its going to happen in different environments and the Rasputisa from history is the worse when it comes to logistics and movement during a war. I'm sure upgrades can improve this vechile in that environment.

@Max-hw7xl 9 ай бұрын

way to be contrarian. Ukrainian MOD loves this vehicle. the only issue everyone can agree on is barrel life, which isnt unique to this system

@tonykalf5946 Жыл бұрын

LOL you can drive a tank in to a swamp, and unless it's not a hoovercraft, it will sink. This has nothing to do with the quality of this tank, but the stupidity of the commander.

@muddyfeet69 Жыл бұрын

It is still one of the best self propelled artillery guns in the world !

@a5cent 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. This seems like BS. If your heavy vehicles sink into the mud, they absolutely will have trouble escaping counter artillery fire. Literally every heavy vehicle in Ukraine has this problem, on both sides of the front, which is why all offensive operations typically come to a halt during the rainy season.

@Twiggy163 7 ай бұрын

The PZH2000 most certainly did not lose its reputation. Its barrel lining, for example, lasted far longer than what the manufacturer recommended for maintenance intervals. Sure, it may get stuck in mud. But, as you said yourself later in the video: so did Russian vehicles. So it is nothing unusual. The Ukrainian military seems to like the PZH2000.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

@hishot1078 5 ай бұрын

Nah, Pzh2000 autoloader is designed by an idiot who never went to field training. 😂😂 Why you have a big opening on the floor? No wonder why Ukrainians kept saying "have to maintain cleanness". 😂😂

@Samsson83 Жыл бұрын

This video script is comedy gold 😂

@jlpeyret Жыл бұрын

Yet they’re supposed to have had minimal losses to date, along w Caesars. The 777s and M109s havent been so lucky.

@DLT-po6to Жыл бұрын

The springtime mud in eastern europe is legendary. It stalled Napoleon, the Wehrmacht, the Soviets and today both Ukrainians and Orcs. German military high tech always needed a lot of maintainance. Even in WW2. The Bundeswehr has a whole support system specialised on the Leopards and Leopard based vehicles like the PZH2000. That a russian of all people claims that the system lost its reputation is highly questionable. Ukraine lacks the proper support to keep them in working order and only has a hand ful of them. They are meant to be used in rotation. Out in the field for a few days at max - than maintainace while another unit takes over.

@huibrijntjes1411 Жыл бұрын

Stay out of the mud... that's all !!! Use every weapon as it is effective !!!

@blackshark2088 Жыл бұрын

The Haubitze2000 needs "Ostketten" ...we learn it in 1942... greetings from Germany.

@talassaXXI Жыл бұрын

Ostketten?

@2011metalmaniac Жыл бұрын

Wide tracks designed in ww2 for exactly this mud problem

@talassaXXI Жыл бұрын

@@2011metalmaniac Tiger and Panther had those large tracks?

@2011metalmaniac Жыл бұрын

@@talassaXXI not standard. Using over wide tracks on hard ground is a waste of fuel

@FXGreggan. Жыл бұрын

I wonder how Archer will fare... being articulated haulers I expect they will do fine, Swedish and Ukrainian enviroments are quite similar...

@yking8565 Жыл бұрын

Oh wow, the howitzer doesn't perform in conditions it isn't made for.

@cototp Жыл бұрын

From what i know not much can move in that muddy season

@saiaini2439 8 ай бұрын

Those incompetent worker in a construction site always blame their tools as unqualified for the job even though they already pick the best that is available. While the true professional worker always finish their job with whatever tools that is left in stock.

@letsgorandom1380 Жыл бұрын

What an idiotic comparison. On the one hand we have a German artillery gun and on the other hand we have a Russian heavy mortar. Why did you not take the Russian 2S19 MSTA ? The crew must needs slippers and a vacuum cleaner? Do they also need a rainbow flag?

@mauertal Жыл бұрын

AHA...........thats why Ukraine bought 100 more PzH 2000.....?????

@raymondmoore2707 Жыл бұрын

Nothing is mud proof. Everything can and will get stuck.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

@dazman88 Жыл бұрын

Yes, heavy vehicles get stuck in mud.

@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 Жыл бұрын

Well, they're firing shells at an alarming rate & having them on the move, equipment stress is a thing,

@earthboy5719 Жыл бұрын

What a story. They get stuck in the mud because they are heawy dude

@coolhand66 Жыл бұрын

Well there's always a learning curve the German Panzer mobile artillery is an incredible piece of kit. And yes it needs a little more tender loving care everyday. But they will learn how to maintain them how to use them. When my country first started to use the M1 Abrams main battle tank it had lots of problems lots and lots and lots of problems but they worked the problems out they found all kinds of interesting things you can do to get it to work and weird conditions like if you're going to be in a desert condition women's pantyhose work really good to keep the dirt out of the engine things like that. The more that we can help Ukraine the quicker this world will be over that's what I hope for God bless Ukraine Slava

@bigglesharrumpher4139 Жыл бұрын

The mud hampers all vehicles. Now the fields are dry, they should be able to come back with a vengeance. Perhaps newer models will have wider tracks?

@abarthspider3479 Жыл бұрын

Muddy conditions will affect numerous artillery.

@User-iq4rw Жыл бұрын

LOL it failed its Mission, shooting till its broken sounds like a lot of dead Russian invaders. Failed... love these videos i would say it was tested and will be improved.

@petesheppard1709 Жыл бұрын

It sounds like the main problem is the weight of the Pz2000, which is a good bit heavier than other SPGs

@mangopastor 11 ай бұрын

It's average weight, are you aware of the weight of most western howitzers or tanks? they're all a lot heavier than the heavily criticized tiger tank from ww2

@adamabele785 8 ай бұрын

The M109 is lighter, but very slow in terrain and on slopes. It has less armour than the PzH 2000 and a smaller and weaker engine.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

@@mangopastoryou know, just for information. Ukraine's infrastructure is a legacy of the Soviet Union. 50% of bridges in Ukraine cannot pass a 50 ton vehicle. And the PzH 2000 weighs 58 tons. makes it difficult to use in Ukraine, especially during raputista

@sdwelham Жыл бұрын

So cutting through all the crap……….the German SPG needs a change of tracks and a more skilled crew (one that can use the built in ‘Henry’)……… A suggestion in the meantime, don’t send the system where it will get stuck.

@FairladyS130 Жыл бұрын

You like the other fanbois here are ignoring the environmental susceptible component problems.

@mirola73 8 ай бұрын

War unfortunately is ALWAYS the best test for weapon systems.

@amertestas5044 Жыл бұрын

What's the Special Military Operation?

@KurtBoulter Жыл бұрын

The designers went with a more narrow track design, rather than the broad track seen on earlier heavy tracked vehicles from German designers, which would have helped to overcome many of the issues arising from the muddy, snow covered terrain.

@paulzink2492 Жыл бұрын

That would pose a problem for any heavy tank,and is still the best artillery equipment Ukraine has. Best to pull them away from those areas. They need to switch the tracks to metal ASAP. Those would be better to use them on dried high ground. I think Russia is and evil country to the core but Russia has done the one most countries haven't done. Simple,and durable over tech. Tech is good but u need to keep your military equipment simple,and durable,and easy to maintain.

@WangAiHua 10 ай бұрын

Why do you show a map of Ukraine without Crimea?

@davequinn2369 Жыл бұрын

First time this has been used in consistent combat. Back to the drawing board. MUD

@arminbrkic 8 ай бұрын

Every cannon barrel has to be cleaned, I don't know why you are citing that as a problem?

@tankandspank Жыл бұрын

General mud does not discriminate

@i.vel.892 Жыл бұрын

Conflict in Russia? "Deployment in Russia" Are you saying that Ukraine is in Russia? Double-check @ 4.38.

@sp7873 11 ай бұрын

this is a kremlin propaganda channel

@trevortrevortsr2 Жыл бұрын

Wheel out the Old AS-90 & Paladin's

@munkfish101 Жыл бұрын

This is nothing new, operators need to plan better, looking at the weather and terrain.

@Sockenbart 11 ай бұрын

You lost me quoting a Russian military expert. They are just not the most reliable sources. Oh, in the end you actually only told propaganda.

@marvinherrera4579 Жыл бұрын

Idk i mean everything gets stuck in that mud, Hell napoleon's wagons got stuck and everyone knows western equipment needs more maintenance, comparing it to the 2s7 is a little unjust considering their roles are somewhat different, would of bein different if you compare it to the m109 or the Archer system, by the way I would love to see an analysis on the m109, dont think is doing that good but still want to see one, btw I'm like everyone here an armchair general, sorry if i made mistakes, i only comment based on what i see from both russian and ukranian side and a little independent news sources, the truth is a little in between all sides.

@TomatoFettuccini 3 ай бұрын

Did it really though? One of them put 20,000 round before a barrel replacement. 1:09 "...often got stuck in abnormally wet ground conditions..." Key words in that phrase: "abnormally wet". So, a machine, during one the wettest part of the year, and during an "abnormally wet" period, a part of the year so renown for it being wet that it has it's own name, Rasputitsa, bogged down. During a period of time in the year where literally everyone knows not to tramp into the mud because of the very bog-like nature of the muddy ground, during an "abnormally wet" period for this extremely wet period, a machine got bogged down. My goodness! You have to MAINTAIN a piece of equipment that uses explosives by swabbing the barrel? Have any of these people ever interacted with a firearm before? Because swabbing the barrel is standard maintenance for literally every firearm that has ever existed and ever will exist. Ohhh, dammn PzH 2000! You can't operate in mud that literally no one can operate in? You got owned son! Will you listen to yourself? JFK, glad I'm not subscribed to this channel if this is the standard quality of informational content for it.

@hanslaurentius4618 Жыл бұрын

I believe that's nothing new, snow, rain, and afterwards mud was one of the main reasons the German Wehrmacht lost the Safari in Russia especially in STALINGRAD.

@scrubvision5652 Жыл бұрын

plus eastern front was always a numbers game just like today who can put more for how long will win

@adamabele785 8 ай бұрын

The US aid and the large distances saved the Soviet Union.

@joelrunyan1608 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. But... once it dries out? They'll be used again.

@Ryan_Revier 10 ай бұрын

Tanks are not for functional on mud..its stance on the ground with hard soil and could be the best positions and attacks..

@eugenek8372 Жыл бұрын

5:24 You use the wrong map Crimea is missing.

@terminusest5902 Жыл бұрын

Mud is a reason for avoiding offensives at certain times. Why we are waiting for a spring offensive. This applies to most military vehicles, A major mistake for the Russian invasion in the muddy season. Why they used roads. Different tracks could be developed for these conditions. Many weapons systems have failing during operations that can be overcome. This could include mapping of suitable roads. These guns have never seen such heavy use away from support bases. I would not count on the opinion of Russian experts. I expect they will be used effectively. If not perfectly.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa 5 ай бұрын

have weapons that can only maneuver 6 months of the year and get stuck in the mud 6 months of the year. is a bad performance

@albertkowalski5629 Жыл бұрын

Still no video about Polish Krab which is duing very well in Ukraine, except some Lancet drone strikes.

@scifidude184 11 ай бұрын

Ok why are they using a self propelled gun soo close to the front they are worried about enemy tanks? Base bleed rounds can sail 40-46KM whereas the standard shells fire 30-36KM. That and the mud should not be in issue of you conduct proper terrain reconnaissance from firing pint, hide point, and ammo holding area.

@adamabele785 8 ай бұрын

Long range shots are easier to track and they wear out the barrels quickly. Artillery probably fires at the enemy positions that are near, unless they can hit a command centre or something that is of high value like anti-aircraft or radar equipment.

@ColdWarWarriors 11 ай бұрын

Like most western equipment, only performs under ideal circumstances

@moritzj2953 9 ай бұрын

“German Howitzer bad” Source very trustworthy Russian Propagandist

@hishot1078 3 ай бұрын

You opinion aren't worth as well. 😂

@stevencharnock9271 Жыл бұрын

The mud effects both sides when it comes to movement but I guess this "expert" has not got his single brain cell around the problem. The Russian mobile guns are in defence so not moving around much and deployed near roads but they have trouble transporting ammunition to them so are easy targets as are the ammunition lorries. Ukraine on the other hand has more range and still has not committed the bulk of the force to an assault.

@hans-hermannspiess9903 Жыл бұрын

What a nonsense! You're comparing apples to pears.

@jdogdarkness Жыл бұрын

It sounds like this video *unintentionally* used a Russian propaganda piece as its main source. He citing Russian "military experts". This is the first im hearing of any Pzh "image collapse".

@yougonahaveanoratime9726 8 ай бұрын

Ok, seriously, what the hell are these criticisms? It get's stuck in Ukraine's mud season. You mean like every other vehicle gets stuck in there? It has a high need for maintenance and needs to be cleaned a lot. Well yeah, most advanced equipment tends to be more fragile when It comes to Its electronics. These two points are just so fing dumb

@messmeg7582 Жыл бұрын

It is not that Germans wepond losem reputation but in the action the other country new product were little better like Polish Krab.

@simon_7620 Жыл бұрын

Well the Combat records show the opposite. Especially the Krab and M109 are really suffering, lacking survivability compared to the Pzh2000. And overall the fire Missions take 25% longer. And the Pzh2000 when maintained correctly has a longer barrel life than the other 2.

@KarlHeinzSpock 10 ай бұрын

any heavy vehicle gets problems under such weather and ground conditions, russian and ucraninan built machines as well.

@KirTyun 8 ай бұрын

Source: Trust me bro! Seriously... how can you possibly talk so much BS and still believing yourself? Every vehicle gets stuck in that mud. Yes, the PZH2000 is a complexe weapon because of its electronic systems but thats what makes it the best in the world, IF used correctly. And cmon... cleaning its barrel is a bad thing? You even have to clean the barrel of your firearms now and then. And they use the PZH2000 nearly every day over its capability. Its recommended that the PZH2000 doesnt shoot more than 100 rounds per day. But the ukrainians exceed this number big time. Of course they need maintances then.

@Sunsa0 Жыл бұрын

Rubers on track are the thing now, all military equipment in OTAN have this feature, but russia its trie making this now.

@drbendover7467 Жыл бұрын

Makes sense, its a German self propelled gun! made for summer time not Russian winter's lol:)

@jamesmorrison4976 Жыл бұрын

It is made for all seasons and it performs well. All vehicles get stuck in the mud. That is why the spring offensive was halted till the ground is stable. Russian faced the same issues last year that it was already to mild which made the ground wobbly and soft so vehicles get stuck.

@stephenbrickwood1602 Жыл бұрын

Mud season is over, so keep them in position ?

@user-lz8qo2ie7s Жыл бұрын

Not in the zone of Russia, we have rains here in the summer

@stephenbrickwood1602 Жыл бұрын

@@user-lz8qo2ie7s so Russia was always safe from foreign invasion summer and winter. WTF is Russia killing its neighbours children.?

@j3althasar99 Жыл бұрын

Salt

@Alex-bf6qm 8 ай бұрын

Diese Spezialisten brauchen doch blos die DST Laufpolster bei den Ketten rausmachen und mit den Greifern ersetzen, und schwups haben sie eine deutlich bessere Traktion im Gelände. Gut, sie machen dann halt ihre Strassen kaputt (deswegen haben sie es halt bei uns standardmässig Polster drauf), aber das ist in den Ostgefilden anscheinend wurscht, weil die ganzen Russen fahren eh schon so rum. Und wegen Wartungsarbeiten die am Rohr nach x Schuß fällig werden, braucht auch keiner meckern - DAS PROBLEM HAT JEDES ARISYSTEM ZWANGSLÄUFIG - und je weiter und genauer das Teil schiesst, um so öfter muß es halt wegen erhöhter Rohrbelastung gewartet werden (Gasdruck, Abrieb und was da sonst noch ansteht) - irgendeinen Tod muss man halt sterben...für die Dummen: viel Bumm immer viel Wartung! Mir geht diese Lamentiererei mittlerweile wirklich auf den Sack! Erst rumjammern dass die bösen Deutschen ihnen keine Panzerhaubitzen liefern und dann zu ignorant sein um das Teil vernünftig einzusetzen und über die ach so schlechten Systeme der Europäer herziehen... Kauft euch einen Lada und schraubt ein Ofenrohr obendrauf, den könnt ihr dann beim Dorfschlosser reparieren lassen und das Ofenrohr schiesst sich auch nicht so schnell aus wenn ihr keine zu harten Kartoffel verwendet!

@shreddershredderer6585 6 ай бұрын

Lol unterbewerteter Kommentar😂 tja die Amis glauben halt jeden Müll, den man ihnen erzählt. Mit ihrer armseligen M109 Kartoffelkanone und ihren M777 aus dem gefühlt vorletzten Jahrhundert haben die im Bereich der Artillerie einen Stand, bei dem die Russen die auslachen würden. Die amerikanische Armee hat sogar schon mal überlegt, die Panzerhaubitze 2000 für ihre eigene Armee einzukaufen, haben es aber am Ende (wahrscheinlich aus falschem Stolz) gelassen. Die M109 hat weniger Schussreichweite, eine wesentlich geringere Schussfrequenz, ist schlechter geschützt etc pp. Was die sich mit ihren Einwegprodukten immer einbilden, ist auch für mich unbegreiflich, aber am Ende sprechen die tatsächlichen Verluste der Waffensysteme eine deutliche Sprache und da muss man ganz klar sagen, dass die Panzerhaubitze 2000 in ausreichenden Stückzahlen mit genügend Munition ein absoluter Gamechanger, weil die Russen dem bis dato außer Drohnen so gut wie nichts entgegen zu setzen haben.

@JRBendixen Жыл бұрын

Complete idiocy.

@zbiku82 Жыл бұрын

Seems like the Polish Krab is better suited for these tough weather conditions 🤔

@franzheger2871 8 ай бұрын

I dont know one Barrel (from handguns to artillery) which does not need a cleaning? The Ukraine Artillery seems to have with western systems control of the russian artillery (atm). Less Systems can hold down the russian artillery and take them out precise with less ammunition. The Barrels of the Pzh2000 holds much longer as mentioned even by the producer. From a dozen of tanks and artillerysystems from the west, not hundreds like the russian throw in. Want to see videos of russian, us and so on equipment get stuck in Mud? Just search in youtube ... and sorry, russian military expert (i guess he believs still in his 3 day Special Operation)? Where are the T-14, the undefeatable Airforce, Marine and Tanks from Russia? I realy dont see something impressiv from russia since start of war. Oh sorry, i forgot the russian flying turrets, they are impressive. They only thing they can do is drawing some stupid redlines (if have a Gun, but u are only allowed to use a knife ...) and bomb and terrorize like idiots Towns, but meanwhile they even cant do this with many losses of their rockets and drones. A 3 day special operation with 200.000+ soldiers is not working very well for the 2nd strongest army of the world, or should i say the 2nd strongest army in ukraine. Russia only can threaten others with there nukes, the myth of the russian army is dead, once and forever. In my opinion if the west didnt take so long to make decisions to support ukraine and the weapons needed would be delivered allready last summer, the russian would be surley back on their own border. I dont know how this war ends, but im shure, that russia will regret this decision for a long time. And they are vasting thru incompetence many russian soldiers live, which they would need to rebuild there army after this war. Russia has the same problem with populations growth like the most industrial nations on this planet. And next, we will see how good the chinese army is performing (i guess they are looking very well to ukraine, how a smaller nation has no fear from the russian bear). Its just a matter of time till china will start a war. They are pissing so many nations in Asia atm.

@taimikauppinen5282 Жыл бұрын

Swedish Archer OWN's

@m_zbrv3967 Жыл бұрын

Does his name really "Mykola"?

@darrenskjoelsvold 11 ай бұрын

The issue is that the Germans designed a piece of equipment that is good at everything and overbuilt it and it's too heavy for the mud. Once things dry up these howitzers will be fine. But I might add that the older and less well protected self propelled guns of the same caliber might work better in the mud. But the reports of these things totally sucking are likely just Russian propaganda and I wouldn't trust them to report on the weather.

@Iulznazi Жыл бұрын

I feel like the track issue can be quickly remedied in order to be used on more muddy terrain. In regards to being needing to be higher maintenance, that is a little more concerning. It definitely shows the differences in terms for development. Germany probably thinks that they will be fighting more in urban areas, whereas the Russian/Soviets figured that they would be fighting in more wild/natural terrain. Thus, Germans developed a system that's more precise & accurate, but susceptible to muddy issues. Whereas the Russians don't care about being precise, but focused on being rugged.

@paulzink2492 Жыл бұрын

In a war having your basic fighting equipment more rugged is better I think,and I lot of countries go way overboard with high tech. Wars are won on the battlefield,and it's not always the best tank that wins the day. Like in WW2. Germany had the better tanks but they had the same problems with mud even with metal tracks,and Germany had less tanks. The US makes the same mistake too I think in some ways.