How Orbán Uses History to His Advantage

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Understanding Orban: History and Rhetoric
Link to Sources: www.dropbox.com/s/bb54nk4dv74...
Chapters:
Historical Context: 0:00
Orban Addressing the far Right: 2:18
Capturing Historical Anxieties of the Public: 5:52
A Tragic Consciousness & A Victim Nation: 7:48
A Hungary of Heroism & Pride Part 1: 9:47
A Balancing Act - Historical Narratives: 11:02
A Hungary of Heroism & Pride Part 2: 11:32
European Context: 13:38
Orban's Success In Hungary: 15:16
Conclusion: 16:28
Credits: 17:12
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This documentary was produced in order to discuss how history has factored into Orban's rhetoric, and how it has aided him in building up beneficial narratives that have made him ever more popular among the nation's people. ------------------------------------------
Viktor Orban is seen by many as a strongman, a would-be dictator who has slowly but surely eroded the aspects of democratic freedoms in his country. His isolationist and rejectionist policies have been criticised by a myriad of foreign observers, and his position as an opportunist without many moral qualms has allowed him to gradually accrue a tremendous power base, to such an extent that his party, in large part, wrote the country’s constitution. How has he managed this feat? How has he rallied the people so effectively to become one of the most successful populist leaders in Europe? Well it may well start with a bit of history.------------------------------------------
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@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 2 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone! I've seen a few comments asking for the sources to be made available, so I've included a Dropbox link in the description of the video.
@aronkvh
@aronkvh 2 жыл бұрын
wow 👏 ! this is a prime example when quality content doesn't get the many hundreds of thousands of views it deserves
@a.balazs4413
@a.balazs4413 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! As a Hungarian living abroad, its amazing to see videos that talk about the current state of the country.
@roboticzamat
@roboticzamat Жыл бұрын
same!
@heptahidratferrum
@heptahidratferrum 3 ай бұрын
Amazing is that you believe them.
@BluOrion08
@BluOrion08 Ай бұрын
Agreed
@heptahidratferrum
@heptahidratferrum Ай бұрын
@@BluOrion08 video kell the radio stars
@BluOrion08
@BluOrion08 Ай бұрын
@@heptahidratferrum I'm not sure I understand.
@cthoadmin7458
@cthoadmin7458 9 ай бұрын
Your content is unique, intelligent and very well researched. Thank you for taking the time to bring this to us!
@TheFalseShepphard
@TheFalseShepphard Жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering about the music used in the background during the first minutes, It's Antidote X By Van Sandano
@alperena1675
@alperena1675 2 жыл бұрын
awesome graphic design bro, complements the well researched and balanced script suitably.
@aaaaardvarka4946
@aaaaardvarka4946 2 жыл бұрын
I subscribed halfway through the video. So good
@kaleb_barbour3
@kaleb_barbour3 2 жыл бұрын
As an American, I don't know much about European politics, but this is a well made video. I look forward to watching more of your content.
@doomdimensiondweller5627
@doomdimensiondweller5627 11 ай бұрын
9:13 your not really challenging anything Orban says. Also AL Jazeera has no right to judge seeing as they are quite literally a mouth piece for the royal family of Qatar where Christianity and other non Islamic faiths are basically illegal. Qtar also treat their own migrant populations horribly
@foxylovelace2679
@foxylovelace2679 9 ай бұрын
I'm always so pleased to hear your pronunciations
@slagmaxxing
@slagmaxxing 2 жыл бұрын
Ngl I quite like this video. Editing is on point & deserves far more views than it has.
@ganargxkraken
@ganargxkraken Жыл бұрын
Why are Hungarians obliged to House Muslims in their country? They want Hungary to Remain Hungarian, what's wrong with that?
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 Жыл бұрын
Soros and anti-Muslim Immigration are valid points to Orbans policy, but those are just front cover to what is he actually doing to Hungary (turing it into Oligarchy and restarting tensions with neighbouring countrys)
@brandonmorel2658
@brandonmorel2658 Жыл бұрын
Because it is openly racist and xenophobic policy that encourages more hatred instead of dialogue?
@wallachia4797
@wallachia4797 Жыл бұрын
@@brandonmorel2658 There's no dialogue to be had. The monologue is that Hungarians don't want them in their country, nothing else to discuss.
@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472
@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 Жыл бұрын
Strong national identities make it easier for people to form connections and by extent harder for people to become socially isolated, in doing so they become harder to subjugate by foreign powers
@brandonmorel2658
@brandonmorel2658 Жыл бұрын
@@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 You are right, it is a double edged sword though. Nationalism has been used by almost all demagogues to undermine democracy and freedom.
@hans7856
@hans7856 Жыл бұрын
The main argument against Orbán that I hear on the streets here, is that he is secretly a gypsy (conspiracy theory) or that he is corrupt (definitely true). Quite shocking to see the opposition using the first, and very telling that people bring up the second. People don't dislike his policy so much, they mostly dislike his corruption. An opposition that focuses on liberal ideals of the west will never succeed here, and we clearly saw that during the last national elections. My recommendation for the opposition: do not oppose what people like. Work together with the government to get rid of the things that people hate (i.e. corruption). Isolation and polarisation have never had good outcomes.
@sammyjones8279
@sammyjones8279 2 жыл бұрын
This video needs more views! This is so insanely well thought out and the visuals are so clean and polished.
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 11 ай бұрын
Extremely biased beyong believe also 😂😂😂
@heptahidratferrum
@heptahidratferrum 3 ай бұрын
Why? It's just propaganda. Have fun!
@Kamome163
@Kamome163 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@theangrycheeto
@theangrycheeto Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, this is an incredibly well done video. Your channel is bound to blow up. Keep it up!
@aidena6138
@aidena6138 10 ай бұрын
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@rogergalindo7318
@rogergalindo7318 2 жыл бұрын
How is it possible that you still have under 1k subs!!?? Your content is great, keep it up!
@universalflamethrower6342
@universalflamethrower6342 Жыл бұрын
it is because he is a mouth piece of certain globe trotting people
@christian4460
@christian4460 3 жыл бұрын
Yo hold on.... Are you making these videos or reuploading them? If you're making these videos then wow great channel.
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 3 жыл бұрын
Yep these are made exclusively by me. The other soyuz video on the channel was just a reupload to fix some errors and the different narrator was just because I thought it was more fitting than my voice over.
@christian4460
@christian4460 3 жыл бұрын
@@IMPERIALYT aye that's awesome keep up the uploads and I'll keep watching. Amazing work!
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@christian4460 thanks man!
@HikmaHistory
@HikmaHistory Жыл бұрын
Fascinating video!
@Martin-nq3xx
@Martin-nq3xx 2 жыл бұрын
What a discovery this channel!
@adityabanerjee_1899
@adityabanerjee_1899 3 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, really You gained my following... Great video sir
@S41GON
@S41GON 10 ай бұрын
It is factually true that Hungary throughout its history was more often than not a victim and not an agressor. The animosity against Jews is not justified, but somewhat understandable when you take into consideration the massive Jewish presence in both of Hungary's communist dictatorships' leadership roles (Béla Kun, Mátyás Rákosi and many others). Hungary has a right to place its interests in the center in contrary to international interests when it comes to deciding its sovereign fate. Soros is not a philanthropist, he's an oligarch that promotes a Western liberal hegemonic world order through a web of his NGOs and his aim to undermine national sovereignity, he openly admitted this in his memoirs because as an internationalist plutocrat who got rich by performing economic hitjobs against countries adverserial to theWestern liberal hegemonic world order he has no loyalty to any country and naturally he feels threatened by nationalism. History is not black and white.
@milkshake1993
@milkshake1993 3 ай бұрын
And yet to many of its neighbors like us Serbians they were a terrorist more often than not
@hughlevantjames905
@hughlevantjames905 Ай бұрын
spoken like a true orbanist
@S41GON
@S41GON Ай бұрын
@@milkshake1993 Says the Serbian lmao, like you never did anything wrong to Hungarians or any other neighbours, right?! When it comes to genocide, you are certainly punching above your weight...
@TheEnduringGardener
@TheEnduringGardener 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done 👍🏼
@sammyjones8279
@sammyjones8279 2 жыл бұрын
This is incredible
@profile.
@profile. 2 жыл бұрын
Köszönjük szépen!
@superninjaraidingman
@superninjaraidingman 4 ай бұрын
Fed energy from this creator
@Clifford_Banes
@Clifford_Banes 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, look at these visuals
@jamest2401
@jamest2401 11 ай бұрын
I think the wariness of the Hungarians to accept large swaths of Muslim communities into their own, and their warnings of what that might entail, is being well borne out in what we see occurring across so many Western European nations today. Exponential spikes in crime and sexual assaults on women; complete “no-go” areas for law enforcement and emergency services; in some cases, even absolute bedlam (see France 2023). No, I think the Hungarians are well within reason and their rights, to wish to quash these trends before they even get a toehold.
@northwestpassage6234
@northwestpassage6234 11 ай бұрын
Sweden going from one of the safest countries in the world to the per capita rape capital in 2 decades should paint the picture for anyone not acting for an ideology.
@slimeblue3387
@slimeblue3387 2 жыл бұрын
I was here when this channel just had 1000 Subscribers but I am certain this will change soon...
@jabm344
@jabm344 Жыл бұрын
good video
@jtgd
@jtgd 2 жыл бұрын
You’ll get big someday
@orlandomora5182
@orlandomora5182 Жыл бұрын
Who is founding these well made videos
@GameandComedy
@GameandComedy Жыл бұрын
(((they)))
@jhpjhun
@jhpjhun Жыл бұрын
As a Korean-American, this video is particularly fascinating to me as these countries rhetorics mirror the current political climate of S. Korea in a similar way. In Korea, both sides of the political isle has frequently used victimhood against the Imperial Japanese occupation and establishing questionable national heroes to gain political support. However, it has been used far more frequently by the left side in recent years as it is not in China, N. Korea, and Russia's interest for Korea to grow close to Japan and the U.S.. There is massive propaganda efforts from the three countries' ethnic Korean population using the internet, which helps the Korean liberals. As a side note, some of these so called national heroes of Korea are recorded to to have terrorized ordinary Korean citizens in order to gain financial backing for their freedom fighting efforts. Yet, Korean textbooks will not detail these heroes' lives in order to skew viewpoints. Japan has taken a similar path in terms of history post WWII. Many of the younger generation Japanese these days think the U.S. nuclear bombings were simply an retaliatory, show-of-force, over reaction for a small skirmish during a worldwide imperial waring era and had to be tolerated because the U.S. was a superpower and Japan was weak. If I was a founding father of a random country, I think it would be important to establish the department of history, institutionally independent from political interference, kind of how central banks work.
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 11 ай бұрын
Lmao you completely leave out the fact that south koreas military and many senators arent even koreans they are americans, destroyed their own culture for christanity (even japan didnt do this) and now multilate their penises, you are a defacto client state of the usa, a bulwark against “le ebil commies” funny that china has barely done anything to korea yet the right wingers pretend that china is the big bad that has done worse than japan, and its not even the left wing, lots of right wingers who actually like imperial rule bash america,
@Zilero
@Zilero 2 жыл бұрын
Please publish any sources
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there! I’ll include a link to the document I used to put this video together in the description later today.
@Zilero
@Zilero 2 жыл бұрын
@@IMPERIALYT Thanks : )
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 11 ай бұрын
3:15 lol instantly accusing him of being anti Semitic, man you really dont have anything else on him eh?
@zeroattitude4162
@zeroattitude4162 4 ай бұрын
It’s hard to really lay out all the types of remarks but let’s be fair here, antisemitism has a lot to do with it. There’s an entire wiki page about Soros conspiracy theories and whenever something ‘liberal’ occurs people jump to connect it to soros in any way possible no matter how unrelated.
@GameandComedy
@GameandComedy Жыл бұрын
lol, imagine calling Soros a philantropist
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 11 ай бұрын
This entire video is extremelt biased beyong believe its like listening to wall street journal
@adamwyker4800
@adamwyker4800 5 ай бұрын
Haha, exactly
@PumpedSmartass
@PumpedSmartass Жыл бұрын
1:16 thats Baron Zsigmond Kemény
@willmanley922
@willmanley922 3 жыл бұрын
So well done! Thank you!
@KoziPLUS
@KoziPLUS Жыл бұрын
Poland is a very similar case
@jacobsloop
@jacobsloop Жыл бұрын
this is insanely well produced
@vilmosmaraczy4914
@vilmosmaraczy4914 6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@samuelkorger3567
@samuelkorger3567 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be so confident that Soros means well in Hungary, or the world at large.
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 Жыл бұрын
There is one interesting fact about Orban and Soros relationship. Orban actually studied in Soros supported university in Hungary, so he is well versed in what are actual Soroses intentions for Europe. Edit: I dont mean that I support Orban. He is same piece of s**t as Soros about how he is treating Hungary (turing Hungary into oligarchy and restarting tensions with Croatia about access to Adriatic sea trade routes and oil/gas price manipulation in Croatian market.
@trstenik100
@trstenik100 Жыл бұрын
@@madkoala2130 "restarting tensions with Croatia" There is not tensions with Croatia, Orban has overwhelming support for his anti-invasion politics from 2015.
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 Жыл бұрын
@@trstenik100 yeah like claiming that Rijeka belongs to Hungary and not giving away Zolt Hernady to face trail for bribery and corruption.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
Did you get inspiration from 1791l
@maninahatstudios4685
@maninahatstudios4685 3 жыл бұрын
great video my guy
@Pumpv1
@Pumpv1 3 жыл бұрын
Spent the majority of my life speaking and continously learning English, yet I don't have a fucking clue what half the words you use mean. Great Video :)
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you mon ami
@Parakeet-pk6dl
@Parakeet-pk6dl Жыл бұрын
As so often: the video would be better without background music, and if you really insist on keep using it: please lower the volume by a lot...
@Northeast_Atlantic
@Northeast_Atlantic 11 ай бұрын
Don't bring the House of Terror museum into this.
@milkshake1993
@milkshake1993 3 ай бұрын
Was there in 2015, but to us Serbs from Vojvodina the hungarians are terror.
@TrulySwoko
@TrulySwoko 2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere around 4:10 min. you mentioned Jews being deportet to Ukraine. Where you referring to the area of back-then-Ukraine or present-day-Ukraine? I'm asking because of your choice of map which is misleading. Weren't they deported to the "general government"? 😅
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there! I was referring to German occupied Ukraine - I should have used a better map in this instance you are correct. This is the territory which I'm referencing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskommissariat_Ukraine
@TrulySwoko
@TrulySwoko 2 жыл бұрын
@@IMPERIALYT I see, thank you for your answer! Edit: Also not to give off a wrong signal. Alltogether I really enjoyed your video, it's really informative and well researched
@memezmemez5176
@memezmemez5176 Жыл бұрын
Then why is Victor so pro Israel if that was the goal. Maybe rather George is not a 2 dimensional all good guy as you portrait him.
@joerocky8652
@joerocky8652 11 ай бұрын
Orban Victor is the BEST!!!!
@raketoplantv182
@raketoplantv182 11 ай бұрын
I just find it strange that Hungarians have this mindset (or atleast according to this video), while causing a very similar mindset in Slovaks and was it not for the terrible war following the collapse of Yugoslavia, perhaps the Croats too.
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt Жыл бұрын
I hear everything you’re saying but I’m not sure why you have such a problem with it. Orban’s occasional voting with Russia is one thing, as is his flirtation with authoritarianism, but you didn’t go after him for either of those things here. Instead it seems like you simply believe that national pride and/or national foundation narratives are in some way inherently bad…
@IMPERIALYT
@IMPERIALYT Жыл бұрын
Idk, my perspective here was more that he uses national pride to present an airbrushed, and therefore not entirely accurate version of history to Hungarians for political gain. You’re welcome to criticise that perspective of course
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt Жыл бұрын
@@IMPERIALYT I just don’t see how Orban is doing anything different (in terms of presenting national history) from Austria calling itself the “first victim of Naziism” when of course it was one of the staunchest areas of Nazi support. Countries are always going to paint a positive narrative about themselves, mainly for use in national celebrations and for teaching young children, though I do believe all countries should of course teach a more unvarnished version of history as kids start to get into middle/high school when kids are ready to examine more complex issues.
@es2139
@es2139 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheLocalLt I think the creator is, in this regard, rather tonedeaf about how societies work. ALL societies try to present their collective histories in a positive light, because this is what inspires confidence, community and the desire for greatness within its members. That is what all societies since the beginning of time and on all 4 corners of the world and in all stages of civilisation have done and still do basically everywhere but in Western Europe and the Anglosphere. Go and ask a person from Morocco, China or India about their history and you're not going to get a nuanced take there either. Societal history isn't about "scientific accuracy", it is about fostering a communal spirit in society and this is what Orban and others like him are doing. People don't identify with a dry, endlessly nuanced scientific diatribe about their history, their nation or their people, and neither do they with tales about a broad group like "humanity", which includes races and cultures, which have a completely different disposition and historical background, which they can't even fathom to understand. This entire issue is then even more absurd, when you consider, that in countries like Germany, but increasingly also in other Western countries, there has been an ever growing push to normalise another narrative, a narrative of guilt and shame. A narrative, which tries to frame the histories, cultures and nations as uniquely evil by dishonestly using the same tactics used by people like Orban (selectively presenting history), only this time, not to inspire people and uplift them, but to shame, demoralize and humiliate them. Orban uses the Ottomans, Russians and Germans to tell the tale of Hungarian struggle for self-determination, the Western nations use Slavery, Colonialism and the Genocide to tell the tale of Western moral depravity, despite the fact, that, of course, all of these evils were perpetrated by every racial and cultural group on Earth, often with far greater severity and brutality .One shouldn't pretend here, that these "pain points", as he calls them, aren't constantly brought up in contemporary politics to reinforce this sort of narrative, as if for instance in German politics, the Nazis or the Holocaust aren't constantly brought up, when anyone proposes something even slightly left of center or how left-wing politicians in the US aren't frequently drawing a straight line between slavery and the modern criminal justice system. To the US-Blacks, the slavery narrative actually serves a pretty similar role to whatever Orban is doing, it is a unreflected historically inaccurate victim narrative, which primarily serves to shift the blame for the lower position of the black population in society onto the white majority to deflect any blame from primarily left-wing (and often black) politicians (such as those, which run majority black cities) and to give the population a convenient target for their anger. The big difference here remains however, that the black establishment never offers a story of heroism or self-determination, which could possibly inspire any greatness. And the same thing is true for the Jews by the way, whose self-imposed victim narrative existed well before the Nazis or the Holocaust. None of these narratives are criticised or disected in this video. Ironically, the creator actually defends the insistance of the Jews on their victim narrative, when he criticizes the Hungarian WW2-Museum, when it doesn't focus enough on the victimhood of the Jews and the crimes of the Hungarian population but then turns around and criticises the Polish representatives for demanding more Polish representation in the WW2 museum on their own soil. The same thing is of course true for other things as well, like people not wanting their countries flooded by foreign migrants, who don't share your culture and values, don't speak your language, are usually far less educated than their own population and are far more likely to be involved in criminal activity. If you were to ask a Moroccan, Chinese or Indian, how they would feel about having their country flooded with millions of Sub-saharan African immigrants, I think you can imagine, how they would respond to this. India or Israel among many other countries have fixed barriers to ensure, that illegal immigrants are kept out of the country and noone cares, but when Hungary or the US starts to construct such an installation, it immediately becomes a representation of racism, xenophobia and all the like. And people in Hungary probably didn't start flocking around Fidesz, because Orban's narrative was so inticing, but they probably rather just looked towards Germany or France and saw how much fun they were having with the new arrivals from the Middle East. The entire video just fails to make a sensible point. What it describes isn't necessarily wrong, but it just leaves you at the end saying "And, so what?". Of course Orban uses history to bolster his position, that's what any leader does. Of course he is appealing to the sensibilities and cultural focus points, that's just like an American appealing to freedom or their fight against Nazi Germany, the USSR and the like, or increasingly to Slavery, the Native American displacement etc.. The creator is setting a supposedly objective standard for the treatment of history, culture and population, but isn't ready to apply that same standard to other groups as well. Why is it of no concern, when every other country on Earth has an "airbrushed" national history, a well defined national culture, which they don't want to have subverted by NGOs or other undemocratic institutions funded by internationalist billionaires or a people, which they don't want to have marginalized. Why is this ever only a problem, when it is a country like Hungary doing it, so much so, that it merits the creation of an entire 17-minute video on this channel?
@mateodjawa
@mateodjawa Жыл бұрын
@@IMPERIALYT basically all countries in the world then ?? lol.
@karl69marx99
@karl69marx99 11 ай бұрын
What about Horthy?
@AnotherConscript
@AnotherConscript Жыл бұрын
The 2008-9 financial crisis was a gods gift too the far right all across the world.
@AshGamer007
@AshGamer007 Жыл бұрын
Just like how the Great Depression was a gift to the Fascists
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Жыл бұрын
@@AshGamer007 Great depression affected every nation. But it affected the county that was already suffering the most. You didn't see fascism getting traction in UK, US to the level that it did in the republic.
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Жыл бұрын
You are quite stupid especially if you think that's where it began, unlike the US Europe has robust social safety nets. The far right as they exist today in Europe is the result of Islamic terrorism, which began in the first half of the 21st century, add to that Merkel's I'll advised open border policy and the many terrorist attacks that followed that. It's self evident what was the real cause as opposed to your imaginary one, to believe that financial crisis was the exclusive cause is just patently delusional.
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
The irresponsible open border migration policy by the progressive left as well their radical gender and sexuality agenda was the real gift. The 2008 crisis actually had little to do with it.
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 Жыл бұрын
What about far left?
@kiledavis2667
@kiledavis2667 2 жыл бұрын
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@tzufbb
@tzufbb Жыл бұрын
the same can be said to Benjamin Netanyahu in the israeli right wing front
@exsanguinatedd
@exsanguinatedd 5 ай бұрын
"Nooo we suffered Ottoman rule for a whole 150 years!!!" Laughs Bulgarianly.
@milkshake1993
@milkshake1993 3 ай бұрын
Laughs in Serbian 😂😂😂
@r.j.lombardi111
@r.j.lombardi111 11 ай бұрын
Same thing with Croatia to be honest
@northwestpassage6234
@northwestpassage6234 11 ай бұрын
The Gdańsk museum, while impressive, was almost laughably propagandistic while I was there in early 2020.
@correctopinion4708
@correctopinion4708 2 жыл бұрын
lmao the language was butchered some names were misspelled but great video essay nonetheless (doing a quick google translate ain't so hard)
@bamdadkhan
@bamdadkhan 6 ай бұрын
produced and voiced by _____________?
@TheOtherFagola
@TheOtherFagola 23 күн бұрын
(((______)))
@zoomerboomer3109
@zoomerboomer3109 Жыл бұрын
Intresting analysis, not as hysterical as many 'analysis' of Orbans Hungary often are, and a very well made video. However implying that using history to instil pride, unity and further your political goals is somehow evil in Hungarys case is pretty tenious. All ruling political structures and ideologys use history and take their own interpretations of it, or in some cases totally subvert it. Fostering a love for your people, unity and encouraging sovereignty is one of the healthiest things a nation can do, it encourages the people to hold their heads high, feel unity with their comrades and take inspiration for their own goals in life. It is vastly more constructive than condeming all your ancestors as evil and bigoted in a nihilistic way, a bit of self criticisim is good, but doing the later fosters nihilisim, self hatred and subversion from people like Soros. And as for endless cries of victimhood, well we all know that Soros'es relations are the gods of that. Also would've been good to mention that Bella Kun the dictator of communist Hungary in 1919 was Jewish, as well as Matyas Rakosi the Stalinist dictator who contributed hugely to the subsequent Hungarian revoloution, and just because it's called the open socity foundation dose'nt make it good. Pravda 'truth' the Soviet newspaper told prety much the oposite of truth.
@occam7382
@occam7382 Жыл бұрын
There's a huge difference between fostering national pride to instill a love of country in a people, and using that national pride as a justification to do horrible things like stamp out open discourse/criticism, expel or murder one's own people in the name of "purification", or invade and subjugate other countries in the name of strengthening one's own nation. And Viktor Orban has very much been doing the latter. Obviously, he hasn't been murdering his own people or invading other countries (yet), but he certainly has been using it to discriminate against minorities in Hungary as well as turn Hungary into an authoritarian state.
@marcin_kalbarczyk
@marcin_kalbarczyk 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this is soo good, most underrated channel, good luck! Howewer >soros >free speech
@cazwalt9013
@cazwalt9013 Жыл бұрын
I see nothing wrong in using history to present your case it's as valid as any other tool and as a non Hungarian it's a fact that for a long period of time Hungary was a victim nation under differ rulers for example the ottomans so I don't see any problem why they shouldn't be protective of their culture and values plus this video was biased
@vladoba100
@vladoba100 11 ай бұрын
Did you really say "Habsburgian Germany"? 😅
@JohnJones-uu2zc
@JohnJones-uu2zc 6 ай бұрын
Imagine defending Soros lmao
@danielnyc123
@danielnyc123 3 ай бұрын
On the surface level, yes the Hungarian government’s relationship with Hungary’s Jewish community is good. The government provides funding, supports private Jewish schools, maintains Jewish cultural sites, etc.. Yet, Hungary’s Jewish community does not let this money blind them and many understand that the Hungarian government is rewriting history in a way that denies Hungarian involvement in the Holocaust, this has left a sour taste in the mouths of many in the Hungarian Jewish community.
@Gonnygbs
@Gonnygbs 2 жыл бұрын
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@Northeast_Atlantic
@Northeast_Atlantic 11 ай бұрын
It's not "Kemeni" it's "Kemeny" like in Kenya
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
This seems like propaganda more than a neutral analysis to me. Presenting Orban as an authoritarian propagandist who is changing history to serve his OWN needs rather than caring about the needs of either Hungary or the Hungarian population. I understand this shouldn't be a Orban propaganda piece, however equally it is incredibly biased in an anti Orban, anti Fidez direction, which makes me think you aren't as objective as you seem to imply you are. Also presenting Soros as an innocent victim who simply wants transparency and fairness while being falsely presented as a scapegoat is incredibly dishonest. You essentially are calling Soros "the good honest human rights fighter" that the "evil racist dictator Orban is opressing". You need to show a more unbiased and neutral view of events if you want to taken seriously as an analyst and not a progressive propagandist that you seem to be.
@brandonmorel2658
@brandonmorel2658 Жыл бұрын
Not all assholes deserve a neutral point of view though. This show is not presenting itself to be apolitical anyways, your expectations are wrong.
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
@@brandonmorel2658 A foolish and naive statement. An information campaign should always be neutral in nature. If you want to express your opinion then you ought to make it clear that you aren't informing people on a topic but rather simply giving your take on it. Otherwise you are purposefully misleading people by claiming to be giving only the objective truth wherein you are just giving a biased subjective take.
@johnisaacfelipe6357
@johnisaacfelipe6357 Жыл бұрын
Didn't i see you complain about american involvement in the politics of south american countries? An foreign internationalist power subjecting its will onto a domestic populace, ignoring the nation's sovereignty and the cultural and economical concerns of the domestic and indigenous people of these lands yet you support another internationalist force that is trying to subject its will onto a population, wishing to distort its people's cultural perception of themselves and turning them into pliant members of an internationalist hegemon. This is why i detest you leftists, you people are flagrant in your hypocrisies as you criticise others for fighting against the forces who's intent are the same as those whom you detest.
@brandonmorel2658
@brandonmorel2658 Жыл бұрын
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 Leftists are not arguing for Uncle Sam style interventionism on nations like Hungary, or for cultural assimilation for that matter, where did you get that? A criticism of the foreign policy of a far right country and it's leader is not the same as the desire to impose our will and ideology forcefully onto a population. That attitude is a failure of the democratic yankee and the EU people, not of the *actual* left.
@johnisaacfelipe6357
@johnisaacfelipe6357 Жыл бұрын
​@@brandonmorel2658 LMAO you think george soros' open society is not for dismantling the culture of the indigenous peoples of the west and imposing the will of others to a very reluctant population? You literally see it happening now with so many policies that open society advances that are entirely against the wishes of the majority population (immigration, marginalization of the host country's own culture, criminal reform in favor of the criminals, etc). That is why their leaders are so spineless against american leadership especially when american directives impugns on the needs of their own peoples because the european political class have been sacrificing the peace, culture, and sovereignty of their own peoples for some time now, the european political class are now trained vassals kept from advancing their people's interests. (you can clearly see this by the reaction of the european political class after nordstream's destruction). While nations like Hungary who seems to still treat their people as a unique quadra of humanity and whose nation is supposed to represent them and serve their people are the ones who aren't just slaves to the western hegemon. If it isn't clear to you now, that is what is being done to the peoples of europe, their heritage, their sovereignty, their culture, their very peoples are being forced to accept all manner of abuse, ridicule, and marginalization because of leftists organizations like george soros' "open society". When you want liberation from foreign influence for south american states then you ascribe foriegn influence in other states, you only mark yourself as some massive hypocrite.
@janlaan9602
@janlaan9602 2 жыл бұрын
Orbans story kind of ignores that the Hungarians stood with the ottomans against the catholics
@blessedkarl5764
@blessedkarl5764 2 жыл бұрын
That's very not true though.
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
Yes As puppets just like the Romanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, even Italians. It doesn't mean they actually support the Türks.
@SwfanredLotr
@SwfanredLotr Жыл бұрын
Source for that claim?
@gabork5055
@gabork5055 10 ай бұрын
Their smart and insightful support of the Ottomans against the Catholics is the reason why the original Magyar population is still alive and well. Or maybe not.
@astur2544
@astur2544 Жыл бұрын
¡Víctor Orbán, la salvación de Europa!
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile being the same piece of s**t as Soros on running media (propaganda) and turing Hungary into Oligarchy (same as Russias). You trade one evil for another one.
@wallachia4797
@wallachia4797 Жыл бұрын
Orban is a gypsy.
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Жыл бұрын
8:54 You would find similar sentiments in every country where there is a sizeable Muslim community without being a majority. Saying that isolationism and insular politics are somehow bad is just plain naive intellectual fantasy disassociated from reality. Japan is the quintessential example for it so was Korea before the war. Insularity allowed them to stave of excessive diversity and thus consolidate political and drive economic growth when the opportunity presented itself. Accepting refugees is Sociopolitical political suicide for the existing numerical majority for the singular reason that the people that are immigrants bring with them their own cultural differences, languages, religions, customs and social outlooks and expect the existing majority to be accomodating. Equivalent of somebody coming into my home without my permission and asking me to be accomodating, the problem rises two or three generation after the initial immigration thats when the successors of immigrant families start feeling disenchanted for reasons ranging from an identity crisis to a sense of alienation resulting from different cultural outlooks and will ask for more from the majority in terms of political representation and cultural visibility aka power and every seat or token of representation gained by the minority eats into the majority's existing share of the whole, because that's how math works. Of course grand righteous delusions of the centre and far left Intellectuals might propel idiots in the academia, business and elite class to embrace the migrant disease. But the protests in Europe in the after math of George Floyd's death was a telling reminder of the history of Europe in Africa not to mention the middle East which is a whole another hornets nest. Accepting immigrats or refugees from other countries that speak different languages practice different religions and have phenotypical features that stand out in a general crowd is patently stupid and carcinogenic to society. Ofcourse now European and Intellectuals see this as racist, but give it time, your people will learn. Societies much older and illustrious than yours have you wont be any different no matter how many diversity/inclusion fetish one might engage in, You are one clear cut famine or economic disaster away from a real crisis especially since all you seem to be doing is policing the behavior of the majority. Rule of thumb when it comes to governance is numbers matter in the long run. The are all that matters in the long run and Number always favours the >. Relatively homogenous societies are not multicultural despite what they claim, There is a majority in each and every one of the European states. what I fear is during the last World War Jews where persecuted despite being a miniscule population that was the most productive group with in the society, despite that or perhaps because of it, they endured untold pain and suffering, this was a group that never harmed a single European(German), Now Imagine Muslims in Europe since 9/11, the number of attacks perpetrated in the name of their god. Put them in contrast and the people who facilitated this mentally retarded open arm border policy will singularly be responsible for every far right crime Europe is bound to see in its future, add to that he growing assertive muslim population. You have a perfect powder keg. At least real or not insularity gives a certain sense of control.
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
It's a very biased video, essentially portraying Orban as an evil racist dictator and a historical revisionist.
@tanalhesser6513
@tanalhesser6513 Жыл бұрын
Sir this is a Wendy’s
@advakart4208
@advakart4208 Жыл бұрын
All of those words, just to justify a hatred and fear of refugees. I don't get you folk. Why not just go to /pol/ and say all the shit you want with no filters?
@arbendit4348
@arbendit4348 Жыл бұрын
@@advakart4208 This isn't about refugees, but about preserving my ancestors heritage and fighting against those who wish to slander it out of irrational hatred and disdain. As for your second point, my goal isn't to go to an echo chamber. It is rather to engage the brainwashed and the ignorant to either make them understand the truth , or at the very least to change the minds of others who might read what I've written later. I don't run from debate, I welcome it.
@tariz32
@tariz32 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The left wouldn’t get it and they just continue believing that all cultures on Earth were somehow created to be fitted with one another equally. Such disastrous thinking has led Europe to astray, while Japan and Korea, the two most homogenous countries, have been able to keep their cultures and societies peacefully intact.
@Desmaad
@Desmaad 10 ай бұрын
Here I am, cringing from all the butchering of Hungarian names and words.
@milkshake1993
@milkshake1993 3 ай бұрын
First of all, us Serbians were the ones being border control between the ottomans and Austro-Hungary. Second of all, there were many Hungarian collaborators in WW2, just an example: the throwing of Serbs under the ice of a semi frozen Danube in Novi Sad in January of 1942.
@Northeast_Atlantic
@Northeast_Atlantic 11 ай бұрын
IT'S NOT FIDEZH 😭 IT'S FIDESZ, PRONOUNCED LIKE "FIDES"
@caspianlola7776
@caspianlola7776 Жыл бұрын
so when are we gonna address the legit atrocities of isreal against palestine
@adamwyker4800
@adamwyker4800 5 ай бұрын
Who cares?
@SgtCake101
@SgtCake101 11 ай бұрын
A little frustrated country that had its peak a long time ago but still fantasises that it has any resemblance of international importance...
@themyp7820
@themyp7820 26 күн бұрын
So you still believe Soros?
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