McDavid Collectors Box 🔥 therthcompany.com/products/guaranteed-graded-card-box How does the NHL fix this? Or maybe, does it even need to be fixed?

To me the solution seems obvious. A hybrid cap for the playoffs. Your game night lineup has to be cap compliment but your full roster can exceed the cap so you can have backup options still. This means if Stone were to come back for the playoffs, the Knights would have to choose to dress someone like Hertl or Stone but wouldn't be able to fit both on the game day roster because it would be over the cap. They could alternate those players from game to game, or take out other players to fit both.

Players on LTIR cannot play in the playoffs unless they play in the final game of the regular season, meaning they are off LTIR and their salary counts toward the cap. There’s probably some loop hole around this method but I’d imagine it can be fixed. Edit: Alr I’ve changed my mind, a point that’s been brought up is that what if a player is truly injured and can’t play in the final game of the season. A simple solution is to just make the cap count in the playoffs, which doesn’t include the cap of players on LTIR, but once those players are eligible, they count towards the cap. Meaning that if teams try and stack up with an expensive player on LTIR, if they want him to play in the playoffs, they’re gonna run into some crazy cap troubles.

“Shout out north side Lethbridge” as I drive past greens pop shop lol

You forgot to mention Desjardins. He was a massive part of that 2015 run as well with Kruger and Shaw on the 4th line. One of the sickest 4th lines I've ever seen

I don't know why people complain about circumvention I mean about 30% of men Canada and 71% of men in the USA are circumvented

great video. The history with this LTIR loophole is crazy and it gets even weirder when you consider Tampa of all teams were one of two teams along with the blues to oppose and vote to fix the loophole back when it was discovered after 2015.

I can't believe they circumcised the cap.

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I really think the best answer would be that LTIR isn't included in the salary cap, but your active roster in the playoffs has to fit into the cap. Almost like, I don't know, the regular season? If an LTIR player returns for the playoffs, you have to healthy scratch players and mess around with rosters so that you're fielding a team on the ice that fits into the cap. If you want to buy players for the sake of filling a roster gap, go ahead. If the league really wants to keep this, make returning LTIR players miss the 1st round. I don't think I can have a neutral opinion on this though, being an Islanders fan and seeing this happen two straight seasons in a row against a Lightning organization abusing cap loop holes and going on to win back-to-back cups.

Crazy how 10 years into cap era nobody had thought of pulling that move. Then it happened organically & the vultures moved in to feast on the loophole.

There's a simple solution: Teams in the playoffs should never be over the cap with the players they field in a single game. If someone comes back from the LTIR they will need to bench one or more players to fit the cap in their next game(s). Am I missing something? Also, just adjust the cap on a team basis based on the taxation in their respective locations. It doesn't seem that difficult to me at all, and I'm sure there are smart enough people running the show. The real question is what their motives are for not implementing these changes.

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I'm not gonna lie, it feels like laser-guided karma for the Panthers to be ultimately responsible for the LTIR loophole being abused like it has been by injuring Kane in a dirty play, then getting absolutely destroyed by the team making the most use of the loophole during their best cup run ever.

100% they have to find a way to fix this. Here's an idea, the salary cap applies starting game 1 of the playoffs. So you can make your moves if a key player is actually out, but you can't load up and then also bring them back for the playoffs.

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I think that one work around could be that in the playoffs you can have more players signed but ur only allowed to play within the cap or a little over. So rather than being able to acquire all kinds of new pieces and playing all the old ones as well you have to pick and choose who to play. This would mean that if a player is still injured throughout the playoffs he can be replaced but ur not getting a massive advantage by playing all the guys you acquired with their cap space while that player was on the LTIR.

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Great video, at 5:26 I love the inclusion of the N64 Golden Eye Soundtrack!

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Enforce a salary cap in the playoffs with a 10% increase. All teams have the flexibility to bolster the lineup or replace an injured star but aren’t able to add multiple large contracts. Contracts can be maximum 50% retained by the team dealing in the trade, 3 way retention is made illegal. Teams w/o LTIR will be forced to scratch players game by game to insert their acquisitions throughout the rest of the regular season, teams using LTIR space may or may not need to do the same. Activating a player off LTIR during the playoffs works the same as in season, forced to scratch players if necessary to comply w the cap.

Idk if the hawks breezed their way to the finals in 2015 lol. Conference finals against the ducks was rough

A complicated way to fix it would be to lower the salary cap by a flat percentage for states that do not have income tax, or increase it by a flat percentage for the teams that do, allowing the players to be paid the same no matter where they go

The cap problems began before the 2010 cup was even won because Tallon didn't get offer sheets handed in on time, so the Hawks "promoted" him to a position in the basement before he left for Florida. Byfuglien, Eager, and Versteeg were gone after the first cup win. Versteeg was back for the 3rd cup win.

Killin it per usual Rob great video

A thought I had was having the salary cap be in effect for the Playoffs, but maybe raising it by a few million. That still allows teams to have injury replacements and still be able to make some trades, but then they can’t just exploit the LTIR rule to the extent it’s being exploited

If I recall, Tampa voted AGAINST the LTIR-glitch, so they’re the only team that should be immune to criticism for using it. 💁🏻‍♂️

Of course it was Ken Holland 😑

easy fix, if a team finds themselves in a situation where a player or players over 3MAAV is injured, that team will be awarded 3M per player. Or if you wann get whacky, if you have a over 5M in injuries you'll be awarded 5M OR One single acquisition equal to the total AAV of injured players. Gives teams the option of depth while restricting them, or allows them to sign a star but keeps it from becoming the NBA

As an Islander fan, this really brought back some blood boiling memories, especially the video of Kucherov...

2:53 as someone from lethbridge this is facts 😭

The build up to the actual point of this video was so good, I forgot that’s what the whole thing was about.

The Hawks, Kings and Lightning are what I wished the Canucks were in the 2010s (well Lightning in the 2020s)

You forgot to mention David Bolland and his line that shutdown every single #1 Line throught the first two Cup Runs (and had 8 goals and 8 assists in the 2010 Playoffs I believe), Patrick Sharp, and 2 of the most underrated in Hawks History and maybe even playoff History in Hjalmarsson and Crawford. Without them, they do not make deep runs each year or win the 2nd and 3rd Cups.

Imo it's as simple as any roster you ice needs to be under the cap. Ironically this means vegas last year is actually alright.

Change the Canadian government

I love the clip of the crowd cheering on Kane to score against their team, and erupting when he does. It's both great fanmanship and so like Chicagoans to celebrate their demise.

Seeing your picture I must ask. Did your parents have seats behind the visitors bench in Vancouver??

I personally don't see a massive issue. You still need to build a great team without a top player to even make the playoffs. Seems more unfair to punish a team or players by either holding them out of the playoffs if they aren't back for the end of the season even if they really are still injured and can't return before the playoffs.

I heard a thought that I think would help this and it doesn't make teams unable to go and pick up players at the deadline but the idea I heard was that the roster that you put on the ice during each playoff game has to be cap compliant meaning like Vegas could dress stone off of LTIR and Hanifin and Hertl but they may only be able to dress 18 players for tonights game to be cap complaint.

i straight up forgot this was a patrick kane video until the end when you circled back around to it

Wow, no respect for Krüger, Oduya and, the unsung hero of the ‘13 and ‘15 cup run, the one and only; Niklas “Hjammer” Hjalmarsson - I highly doubt the Hawks would have won those two cups if it weren’t for the d-pairing of Hjalmarsson and Oduya to support Keith and Seabrook Those guys had way more impact than some of the guys you mentioned, I get Byfuglien and Ladd but Bolland? Frolik? Stålberg? No shade against those guys, love em but wow man

This is the type of thing that happens in a hard cap league, among other "issues" such as certain markets being more attractive than others. There is no issue with LTIR by itself. LTIR exists for the purpose of being able to replace your long term injured pieces. Ken Holland was right, teams shouldn't be penalized for getting their key guys healthy in the most important part of the season - the playoffs. Never forget the fact that teams are gambling when they make moves to go over the cap. They still have to play well enough to qualify for the playoffs without their best players and in some cases advance before injured players are able to return. Even with all of that, teams still need to account for the cap after the season ends and they're still giving up players, picks, or both to make deadline deals. It's not exactly a free transaction, takes more than one team to make a trade or pick up on waivers. RE: VGK, the video failed to mention all of the extra moves VGK had to make in order to gain capital and cap space for the Eichel trade. They traded away a lot of pieces beforehand and Alex Tuch + their best prospect went directly to their trade partner in the same deal. A big chunk of how the roster was constructed changed while trying to make the Eichel trade possible and they missed the playoffs that season too. All of that was done to trade for a 10M+ AAV guy that was seen as a bust, locker room cancer, immature, etc...and wasn't even healthy at the time, heading into non-traditional surgery. That type of move is done by an organization with balls enough to gamble like this. Too many people whining about this team always forgets these parts of the story bc the LTIR narratives are too strong and easy to blame.

This idea that vegas is cap circumventing and gonna coast is ridiculous. Half our team was injured for over half the season now. We went from 2nd in the league battling for top 3 with the rangers and van, to barely holding onto a wild card slot and in danger of missing completely. But fans of other teams sit here and say "oh well you should just accept defeat instead of using rules allowed by the league because thats cheating" "How is a canadian team supposed..." the same way the canucks are. Play better.

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The issue is that if you restricted it, players would just force themselves to play through injuries way more often. The NHLPA would never agree to this. Every team can equally take advantage of it. The main issue is that late season games don't matter at all.

One way could be that a new category is made for injured players SEIL (season-ending injury list) and players placed there don't count towards the salary cap but also can't play a competitive game until pre-season game 1. Plus change the rule that a portion (how much exactly can be debated, maybe 50%, or even slighting scale depending on the length of time the player is injured) of a player's salary still counts towards the salary cap when placed into LTIR. But at the end of the day when your team does then it's "great rule lawyering" and when a team you don't like does it then it's "BS that needs to end".

I feel like an easy fix for this would be to have your roster for that game fit within the salary cap.

as a detroit fan it feels right blaming all of this on Ken Holland

Good to know!!

Love the north Lethbridge shout out. Yeah it’s bad out here 😂

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Hybrid cap is probably the best idea I've heard. You can only bench a cap compliant team on the night. So if someone does come off LTIR and you are put above the cap, you can still play them. The downside is you'd have to exclude players from the game to become cap complaint. To further deter loophole abuse, those players you have selected to not play would not be allowed to play for the rest of the playoffs or the series. You'll need to call up an AHL backup for reinforcements. This stops you loading up on players who don't have a two way contract at the deadline, and further risks your depth options if you need to clear waivers to prepare for your abuse.

Great Vid. I kid you not!

Only way is a false tax across the league to add up in accordance to the team of least post tax income. Players would never let that happen.

A percentage of the cap overages in the playoffs should carry over to the next season

Anyone else remember when, I forget but, either the '16 or '17 Penguins won the cup with like half their AHL team. I miss those times.

When you mentioned Lethbridge i laughed so hard being that i live a few minutes away from town

create a short term and long term injury reserve list. Long term has a minimum time of 2 months or something like that for serious injuries, and short term still counts towards cap

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So, the fix to this issue would either be to limit the amount you can be over the cap in the playoffs to like 5 mil or 10 mil even, or make it so contracts above a certain threshold still count. Like, the rule is intended to prevent them from having an AHL player fill in for like a JT Compher or whatever you’re not intended to get a free replacement superstar. You could also have the NHL do independent medical assessments to make sure no one is gaming the system. The other fix is to allow for the team as a whole to be over the cap but the team they put on the ice must be under the cap, so they could theoretically have those extra players scratched or not dressed but still available to the team if there’s an injury but you can’t ice a team over the cap that way the injury replacement issue is solved but you’re not getting essentially a free superstar above the cap 18 mil ya know. The fix for the taxes is easily, make the teams pay the average state tax that the Canadian and American teams with state taxes pay and make the teams pay that on every deal into either the player assistance fund, referee assistance fund, revenue sharing, or some other charitable or other fund to even the playing field and perhaps do something good with it simultaneously, either that or you could theoretically penalize teams with no state tax with whatever the average percentage is built into the cap to account for the players taking discounts. That or have the the NHLPA, or some other type of competitive balance tax formula to even it out.

Okay so hear me out. What if the salary cap is still in effect in the playoffs?? Is that so hard?? Great video though, really lays out the situation nicely!

We should raise the salary cap by $5-10 million during the playoffs

Feel like the only way this could be “fixed” would be some sort of modification to it, like players on LTIR going into the playoffs cannot return until the second round (if the team were to get there). Any team can do it and would probably love to if its your own team doing so, but hate it when its someone you’d be going up against

Bro casually mentioned being almost stabbed

Crazy to see the Hawks just fall off soo fast after 2015. I thought they would have a few more short runs

0:49 oh yea, like a cab driver

1:54, this soul moment is why I will forever hate the hawks and forever debate against anyone who says jimmy howard was a legit #1 starter.

love you rob maybe itll be this year

If you're on ltir you can't play until game 4 of the first round passes. Once game 5 starts, you can be worthy of the conn Smythe for all I care, but if you're so injured you can't play in the regular season then shouldn't you take an extra week to recover?

GoldenEYE background music ftw.

This is an amazing point that few have thought of. Call your state rep and tell them to not tax nhl players. If you could tell them that I shouldn’t pay state taxes too it would be appreciated.

Just make it ao you uave to have q cap compliant roater at the start of every round. If you get someone back from injury and they are not on the roater you can swap them out at the start of the next round. Youre not ounished for having players off the active roster capwise, they just cant play. That gives teams a reason to acquire at the deadline and use LTIR space but they will need to adjust

yeah but aside from kucherov the rest of the money on tampas ltir was on players that were never going to play another nhl game again.

As a wings fan I love/absolutely hated Kane. I was never scared about the hawks but until they got Hossa. Around that time I knew they were gonna be unstoppable. They had such a solid young core.

Northside Lethbridge, lol. Nice shoutot.

The league should allow a team to put someone out at will counting against the cap. Any player who's injury will not count towards the cap should be submitted to the NHL who will have a board of physicians randomly pick one to approve the long term injury as replaceable and a follow up of medical reports to that Dr should be made every 15 days. If it appears they will come back before the playoffs, or near the play offs they are placed back on cap hit. The player also shouldn't be allowed to return if not approved by the Dr, or a board of doctors to ensure they're health is not at risk

my slight workaround would be for players making 6+ million would be to make it so only half of the salary can be taken off the cap, also if they had a hard cap for how much money can be used for ltir like say 10 million. so basically for example stone’s salary only counts for 4.75 Million. I understand why players and owners don’t have a problem with it but you have to at least tweak it a bit.

New rule the NHL should make. shouldn’t allow a player on LTIR to play in the playoffs if they didn’t play the last 10 games of the season or something. Teams wouldn’t be able to use the loophole anymore cuzz they would have to use the player that is on LTIR for the last 10 games or just not use him in the playoffs at all. Would be interesting

lol yea, any given team you field is required to fit the salary cap. Load up on players if someone's LTIR? If they come back you need to sit players until your active team is under the cap.

Players on LTIR not being able 2 play until the 2nd round at the earliest, or just not able to play in the playoffs at all

Man... I miss Doc!

I think F1 just made a ruling that all salary capped leagues should follow, you get extra salary cap based on cost of living and taxes where you are located so if you need to pay you engeneers more because of taxes or high costs of living you can stay competitive with teams that don't have this issue

as a flyers fan it’s been 14 years and that’s when we peaked 😢 I know that pain. Happy for Kimmo T. though, he deserved a cup

A dirty play from a Florida Panthers player should never be a surprise in any year, including this season.

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Player on the LTR after the trade deadline do not count for the cap space, but ALSO should not be allowed to play in the playoff. LTR is meant to be long-term after all.

Easiest fix ever, and it's already been brought up (both in the video and in the NHL) - Just put the cap in place during the postseason. It's literally that easy. Hearing the reasoning for this not being in place as "If you're on a run and players get injured you don't want to be stuck with AHL guys" is complete BS. Shit happens in the season to every team, and you need to deal with it as an organization. If you didn't build a team with depth, good luck next year. I'm a Buffalo fan and had to watch all hope of us ever winning a cup go out the window during the 05-06 playoffs when our entire D corps went down with injury during the Finals...just to be stuck with an AHL defense when it mattered most. Shit happens, and that's just how the season went.

Make it so players injured 2 weeks before the trade deadline still count towards the cap unless their injuries are life threatening or are evaluated to be longer than the rest of the season and playoffs

His old bucket was so goofy

Make players coming off of LTIR miss the first round of the playoffs. They won’t block them from competing entirely but limiting it in the first round will bounce at least a few of the teams attempting to circumvent the cap and then players will have to enter into a harshly competitive environment without having played recently so regaining full game ready conditioning won’t likely happen until the third round at a minimum

The integrity of the game has been compromised because of this. The chain reaction cause by Kane's injury is serious. Glad you brought the issue to more eyes. No state tax increases your chances at the Stanley Cup ten fold. That is just plain old not fair. I know there are some other details that go into it, but the broad strokes are that simple. Something needs to be done or else it will really start to get out of hand.

It should be OK to allow extanded cap for play-off, but there should be cap applied on players sitting on bench for every game. So you can shuffle players between matches, handle injuries. But not have 4x 1st line in game 🤷‍♂️

Richards is one of the main reasons I became a flyers fan in 2010 and never looked back. One of the most elite two-way players in their prime. Richards could do it all while leading a sub par team to the finals

It doesn’t ever get mentioned that the hawks easily could have missed the playoffs with no Kane (who was having an MVP and an Art Ross level season). Every central team had 90 points in 2015 and Kane wasn’t himself at all that entire playoff run hawks could have quite easily missed the playoffs that year

You're telling me my team caused the Vagas Injured Reserves creation??? Sad day

At 1:55, Rob says "... Brent Seabrook, of all people, would score the overtime goal!". I wonder what Rob meant by that? I am a Blackhawks fan. Seabrook is one of my favourite players of all-time and I have been following that team since the early 70's. It sounded like Seabrook was an unlikely hero which is bizarre because he was a mainstay on that team throughout is career.