How would you rate your teams rebuild? A? B-? D?

Thanks for having me on Rob! It was great talking to you and the video turned out awesome. Let's do it again sometime.

The best teams are the ones who make their luck. As I once heard an analyst say "You gotta get lucky to get good, but you gotta get good to get lucky."

Since my beloved Red Wings failed to show up to the dance, I'm rooting for your boys to take it home. Who doesn't love a good underdog story? I've been following you for a long time and you're channel just keeps getting better. Congrats Rob!

Craziest thing about this series is Demko has been out since Game 1, his back up was injured in Game 3, and now theyre playing with a friggin rookie goalie

We gotta give Silov hell of a lot of credits for saving a lot of so many shots in Game 4 last night 💪 Let's get game 5, go canucks go❤

PDO is merely a ratio of shooting percentage and save percentage. It cannot tell you that the Canucks prefer to cycle over shooting mindlessly at the net, or that we have not one, but two of the best goalie coaches in our system -- Ian Clark in Vancouver, and Igor Shesterkin's goalie coach back in his KHL days in Marko Torenius. It cannot tell you why Hogs scored 24 goals at even strength despite being on four different lines this season, and it can't tell you how good Lindholm has been defensively as a centerman. I think PDO caters to human psychology because it tries to provide a simple answer to a tough question which is what most people truly want in life, no matter how skewed or flawed the end result may be. Boston's PDO was high as well last year, but nobody even knew what PDO was until the Canucks overachieved (allegedly).

Changing the coach (and hence the culture in the team) was the best move that made all the difference

Been expecting them to choke all season. They haven't yet. Goaltending is the unknown variable right now, so far so good.

I'd rather see the Canucks go on with some luck and win then another US team that is "helped" by the referees during the playoffs like we've seen since the past 10 years...

An improved Hughes is the exact reason Nashville has been smashvill-ing him, unfortunately.

I'm not so sure about the PDO thing because some teams tend to pepper the net with low probability shots whereas other teams tend to hang on to the puck as they try for the perfect tick-tack-toe goal. Teams that strive for perfect goals will, in theory, end up with a higher PDO.

When it comes to matters of luck, the best statement I've heard is "good teams create their own luck." If you're a good team, you'll be creating situations where you're more likely to get the good bounces or capitalize on that strange bounce that put the puck on the back door with an open net. Because the good teams will have a guy on that back door for just such an eventuality. Bad teams will have that guy behind the net or in the corner, so the puck trickles through and nobody's there and the D or goalie eventually clears or smothers it. Or that puck tricked through the goalie at the other end and a d-man or backchecking forward was there, Jonny on the spot to clear it out of harm's way before the other team could do any real damage. Bad teams don't do that and that loose puck is left sitting that extra fraction of a second longer where an attacking player may just get to it ahead of the goalie and bang it in.

your work is beautiful, i think i am going to rewatch it

Love the collab!! Great work once again.

Great interview

This is a great breakdown. Your seeing the game at a high level and explaining it wonderfully.

I’m not so sure about this, I fully expected Vancouver to handle Nashville with relative ease

Another absolute banger from Rob.

Never heard of this channel until I seen this title, but I clicked it thinking you were going to burn the Canucks. But one of the top comments I see is Brendan Morrison responding saying "thanks for having me" made me instantly interested in what had to be said! To have a legend like #7 on your channel and video and the break downs both of you have put in, became an instant fan and sub. Preds were downed in a hard fought series, where I don't think the 3-1 series win doesn't justify thinking Canucks "owned" them in any means. I'm stoked for the Edmonton series!

Great collab!

You've got some juice Rob when you can get a legend like Brendan Morrison on your show... good to see how much he is still into the hockey culture. With the talent that Vancouver has, I'm surprised it has taken them this long to get back into contention. I think the team management was the biggest hurdle as they made some bad deals that hurt their bottom 6, as well as the defense, for several years. The coaching change is huge... Tocchet is one of those guys who is great at motivating people. I watched Tocchet play, and also got to see him coach, and I can definitely say the guy knows how to get the most from his players.

Great video! A lot of insight and perspective on the game. Thanks!

really nice analytics. quiet the contrast to the topic 'huge frauds.' i'm impressed!!

How can they be frauds if you never expected anything from them in the first place? Could it be their division is weak?

This core group always kind of played this way. In the series against Vegas few years ago for example they were outshot badly and still managed to take them to 7 games.

Another thing worth mentioning is, the reason the Canucks shooting percentage is so high is because they prioritize redirects and deflections. Another reason why Hughes' new shot profile is so good for Vancouver. Shooting more, means more chances for guys like Boeser, Lindholm, and anyone else to get a tip or redirection. Also, when showing the PDO kings of the league. Dallas, Winnipeg, Tampa, the Rangers and Boston were also near the top, but no one considers them lucky. But they have something in common. Amazing goaltenders. This idea having a good goalie means you're "lucky" is absurd. ALSO, also. Lets not discount the work management did adding Cole, Soucy, Hronek, and Zadorov on the blueline, Blueger up front is worth noting. The reason our goals against is so much better than last year is we actually have blueliners worth a damn. I wouldn't give Tocc all the credit. Not to mention guys like Foote and Gonchar.

Analytics get so specific these days they end up missing or leaving out important context. When a team "defies statistical models" for a whole season the models likely need to be recalibrated.

Just a picture perfect rebuild getting a Franchise C/D/G/W in Pettersson/Hughes/Demko/Boeser and trading for a franchise powerforward in JT Miller. Hoglander turning into a 25 goal scorer, blue chip prospects still on the way in Lekkerimaki and Willander. Plus guys like Silovs, Raty, Pettersson, and Podkolzin. Fantastic 3rd line with Garland/Joshua. Unreal time to be a Canucks fan right now.

We so fraud cause we never truly rebuild or tank, we sucked by accident under Benning for 8 years, never won a single lottery pick (drop a couple spots almost very time), drafted a couple busts in Virtanen and Juolevi with high pick, yet lucked our way into Hughes and Boeser 😂😂😂

Brendan Morrison should be on a national network! He clearly has an immense amount of knowledge and a unique perspective to offer i hope he gets everything he want out of his online showing! This man has been a star in the show and was one of my favourite players growing up!

First and foremost, it's sad when a title depicts a message that a hockey team is fraud when that team is doing everything possible to win a playoff game. We have to remember that any team in this playoff has a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Now if an underdog wins the Stanley Cup does that mean they are frauds too?

The D was a big upgrade, no longer are you relying on a few #8s for 2nd pairings. Fwds got some upgrades too. Systems. Demko not injured for most of the year, great backup for first half to 3/4 of season, then was still good.

loved hearing your guys opinions. I grew up on the West Coast Express line!! Brendan Morrison, Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund will always hold a special place in my hockey heart.

I’m confused what analysts had Nashville as favourites in the series? Not one I read did, and Vegas had Canucks as favourites to win that series.

luck is, when skill becomes a habit ;) also regarding drafting "skill" its also up to the development pipeline right? I would love to see you dive into that topic "Drafting vs Developing" of players

let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent analysis. I remember debating last year whether the Canucks should trade away Boeser. We could see his potential, but it was not showing. Now, we're so happy he's still with Vancouver. I don't know how far we'll go this year, but it's all just icing on the cake from this point.

Vancouver just has to win a Stanley cup.

Fail to see how PDO is a calculation of "luck". Ah yes save percentage, my favorite luck based stat. Goalie making saves, pure luck. The goalie slander is wild, ty Rob for sticking up for the tendies

We in Vancouver believe that they are paid to lose.

We had the most insane puck luck at the beginning and of the season. If we get that back in the post season we are unstoppable. May the gods smile upon us.

Another reason for the Canucks success can be attributed to management and the overhaul of the roster. 7/13 forwards that played 40+ games this season were brought in by Alvin and Rutherford. 4/7 of the defenseman to play 40+ games were brought in by Management. Add DeSmith and you're looking at a 55% roster turnover. The core that was being built is coming through. But it takes a full roster to win and that's where Jim Benning really struggled. To top it off, the front office and coaching staff are on the same page. Players are brought in to work under Tocchet's structure. Those that haven't worked have found themselves shipped out. One or two analytics can't put the whole puzzle together. Winning is more complicated than what the data says.

I picked Vancouver to come out of the West but that was with Demko in net. It’s gonna be interesting to see how they play without him or DeSmith back there. Silovs was great in Game 4 but he’s still a wildcard at this point if he has to play the rest of the series

Theyve been able to sustain it for a full season so we cant call them just lucky. Sure theyve definitely been lucky at times but theyve earned their luck a lot of the time this season. My only question is how sustainable is the way they play going into next season because weve seen before teams have these crazy seasons out of no where but then the next season they arent able to repeat it because teams figure out an easy way to shut them down. I dont think thats the case with the Canucks but I dont think we see them 1st in the Pacific next season either

we just beat Nashville with our rookie goalkeeper I don’t think Nashville has a chance and I’m confident with my statement lol

Great vid

This is a team that creates chances that often end up on a scoring threat or a scoring goal. They are great at doing this and just stopping their opponents on the defensive end by not giving them enough room. I was at the game yesterday in Nashville and the fact that the Canucks won that game should tell you that they were great at creating a win that many thought was a loss.

What this shows me is that Vancouver has all the pieces for a deep, playoff worthy team, but they need more experience. Their mental just isn’t there yet, and I don’t know if they could beat a Colorado or a Vegas, Carolina, Florida, the Rangers, ect.

Morrison is such a great guy, got to meet him a couple of times at CAN-AM events, meet bertuzzi as well, he is also a very very nice guy

I'm so proud of the Canucks! Go Canucks Go!! Boeser you stud!

1:05 I would take this list anyday. Garly has been our top grind player since his arrival and I love that he is with us

Analytics can give some good context and lay some foundation, but it doesn't measure cohesiveness and heart. The Leafs, for example, are stacked with a talented core, but the Leafs don't play as a cohesive team. The Canucks were doing similar things until Tocchet came along. Now, Vancouver can throw any five guys out there and they'll play well together. On paper, the Leafs should have wiped Boston in 4, but hockey isn't played on paper and the Bruins have a tight, cohesive team who buy into a system and a formula and that's why they're up 3-1 as of this writing.

Well as a huge rangers fan for 30 years I honestly picked Nashville as my surprise team. If they got ANY type of goaltending they could’ve beat Vancouver. Total collapse by saros

I BELIEVE

It is important to note that although Mikeyev, Suter, and Lafferty are not producing, they are beastly defensively, they rarely make mistakes in the D zone. So, yes, we are overpaying for 4th liners, but at least they are not hurting us on the ice. Kuzmenko had to go, he did not buy in. During the high PDO time, if you actually looked at the goals, many of them were incredible chances, like open nets where you would have been UNLUCKY to not score. I think the PDO people were not actually watching the games.

Well, the Canucks have delivered this year (fan since they joined the NHL--old school). Great interviews, btw. But not Frauds, just kinda unexpected interlopers. Not too terrified Team is about the goaltending situation--although activating Silovs this early is a bit...alarming. Team is strong. Love to see it. Work to be done...

the moment they signed Teddy blueger I knew they were gonna be top 2 in the pacific

This year's Canucks reminded me of last year's New Jersey, except Vancouver has a better goalie, and that's mostly a regular season comparison.

16:52 "Only one of them would become a Star." This is true in both ways...Kevin Connauton is the only player he drafted who played for the Dallas Stars (from a 2 minute scan). It's possible some more of them played for the Texas Stars and never reached the NHL though, didn't bother verifying all of the players who never played in the NHL.

McDavid held shotless in game one😂😂.They had 6 shots in the third.Canucks have always been good in the third that’s not luck

Omg bruce still looked old af back in 09 🤣

All you have to see is sissoons missing the open net. All luck. They have been outplayed for 3 games and the only reason why they are up is because Nashville is shooting them selfs in the foot. You can throw all these stats and other things you described in this Video but the fact of the matter is they like the devils last year were extremely lucky and healthy for most of them year. You have to be very lucky to win the amount of games they did this year. Great team but very very lucky

Luck or not, I think the one thing that separates the good teams from the decent teams is that good teams capitalize on their luck. Did we get lucky that the puck hit the post at the end? Sure, but we capitalized on that luck and turned it into a win. An ok team would have still lost.

Put a body on Hughes and you stop him, put a body on Makar and you stop him. Having a guy like Wilson or reaves will allow for that to happen and may add to the scoring as well.

@3:41 why is Hammond holding what appears to be a pancake in his hand?

How fitting considering last night.

The Canucks are experts at disappointing their fans.

It's a bit of a stretch to think that defending hockey players spend a lot of time going over individual shooting stats of the opposing team. Mostly they just don't want to be embarrassed, and end up on some highlight reel somewhere for years. If a player is slippery you might give him a little more room so you have enough time to react before he beats you clean. That extra room can be used to get off a shot. And defensemen will always have a lower scoring percentage because they are shooting from a greater distance. Most of the time they are looking for the tip, which if successful doesn't even count as a goal, it's an assist.

I dunno why you think demko is not involved in PDO cause hes had some incredibly lucky plays and games this year... All the scorpion saves are pure luck, him diving across the net and getting a hand on the puck is pure luck, 9/10 times the forward is gonna bury those goals on demko but it just so happens that he strung goals together, and Vancouver is also lucky with injuries this year in that no terrible ones but quinn hughes looks pretty slow against nashville and petterson looks a little weak and demko is out, I'm betting there are some hidden injuries, they also got lucky playing teams when they were slumping, for example they beat the oilers 3 times early in the season but that was when the oilers were the 31/32 placed team in the league but imagine people surprise when the oilers were only i think 4 points back at the end of the season.... oilers are way hotter that the canucks

Huge Frauds my ass. . . They made an awesome comeback!

Their series against Nashville looks like two 8th seeds. They will have to play much different to win a cup.

They won with the Zamboni driver in goal. Jets can’t even compete with a team they beat all season. Go Canucks!

When we had Luongo, Kesler and the Wonder twins…. Those were the days

Man miller is just money from the top of the left circle

Rob sounds like a Salty Leafs fan. Go Canucks Go 💙

How's the salt taste? 😂😂😂 Go Canucks!

The way I see luck in hockey is that there is no such thing. The puck has crazy bounces, but the best in the league can read those bounces and make plays off of them. Sure some people are just in the right place at the right time, but being in the right place is a skill on its own. You also need the reaction time to even capitalize on those opportunities, and people seem to think it's either good or bad luck that makes those things happen when in reality it's skill. The Canucks move the puck well and they have a good core, it was a matter of time before they got the puck sliding their way.

Brotato!

You gotta be lucky to be good, and good to be lucky.

It seems PDO is a hugely overrated stat. Yes, the Canucks have the highest PDO, but looks at the top 5 season PDO: 1. Vancouver Canucks 102.9 2. Winnipeg Jets 102.7 3. Boston Bruins 102.6 4. New York Rangers 102.0 5. Dallas Stars 101.8 It's difficult to seriously argue that the Bruins, Rangers, and the Stars are in the playoffs because they're frauds. So let's accept for the sake of argument that Vancouver and Winnipeg are frauds (because I've heard that said about the Jets too). So 2 of 5 are frauds. In other words, PDO is about as useful a predictive tool for identifying teams who are playing above their class as a coin flip. I like the idea of PDO reflecting a culture, though, there seems to be a little more merit to that when you sort the league by PDO, though it's still not perfect.

Bro went god mode in game 4.. not luck

54 years and counting. I quit watching the canooks after the 2011 playoffs, wasted 30 years watching them before that 😅

The problem with Petey is Tocchet then. He’s coached the talent out of him.

On this graphic 🎉

Interestingly, the teams with the top PDO in the league are also the teams who were near the top of the league. Luck? No. Just better shooting and goal tending than the rest. Trying to call it luck factor is misinterpreting the basic metrics. The league as a whole will end up with a 1.000 PDO average across all teams. Good teams will be higher, bad teams will be lower.

3-1 series rn. Doesn’t seem like their fakers to me

Pettersson is pretty much invisible in the playoffs so far...

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Pedersson is still on a slump.

Vancouver won the Pacific because Edmonton was riddled with injuries the first 6 weeks of the season (a lot of players like McDavid, Draisaitl, and Ekholm were playing through those injuries) and had an epic collapse that nearly derailed their season (which led to the firing of Woodcroft). We'll see in round 2 if Vancouver is legitimate once they get past the worst team in the conference, the Nashville Predators.

You must be happy being a canucks fun! Great team this year 👌🏻

Marking this video for when you take the “quotes” out of the title when they lose in 7

Luck is a factor, but you also create luck with hard work.

You all fail to see the nine free agents playing for contracts big motivator

"Legends like... Bertuzzi" guys infamous for being a piece of shit, thats about it. Wouldn't call that legend material.

They will great the long term signing of Elias P. Regular season All-Star, invisible man in Playoffs...

Van gonna take the cup bruh

Idk if his edges are as good as KK97.

PDO is not meant to be a metric for a complete team. It’s meant solely for measuring the “puck luck” of an individual player. The reason that they chose on-ice shooting percentage and on-ice save percentage is because they are two stats that a single player has the least impact on. They are both “team” stats, therefore one individual player can’t markedly improve the combined numbers.