She's CERE-ously strong!

9 BBY was not Vader´s year. Got defeated by Obi Wan and nearly killed by Cere.

i just love how playing as Cere lets the player mow down the force resistant clones. Truly showing the difference between a Jedi Master and a Knight like Cal

Cere Junda is so powerful she made Darth Vader have a health bar

My favorite detail of this fight is how in Vadar’s first phase, he has relatively short combos and only uses one hand. But after he’s burned, he starts to grip the saber with two, and is relentless in his attacks. Such a cool detail that shows how Vadar goes from nit really trying to using his full power in the fight against Cere.

I don't think people understand. Having battles against Jedi like Cere makes Vader way more interesting than just having him stomp noobs all the time. He wins and strikes down an incredibly powerful hero. That's way more scary than “oh my gerd, he killed all the rebel troops so easy!”

This just makes me more excited to see Cal surpass his two Jedi masters in the third game!

I saw people complain that they didn’t respect Vader in that fight, however I think those people didn’t understand how powerful Cere is. I think her being around Ashoka Tano is accurate.

What’s crazy yo think about is with how close Cere was, if Cal had just listened to Bode, Vader would be dead and they could’ve made a serious move against the empire right then and there and forgotten about Tanalorr entirely

I hate how instead of thinking she's powerful, 90% of the fan base will go for "Vader got nerfed". We've seen him destory, Kanan, Cal and Reva. Do you want to see that over and over? Because i think its boring and want him to fight against someone who stands a chance

Cere’s final duel with Darth Vader reminded me of Vader’s engagement with An’ya Kuro in Legends. Kuro-also known as the Dark Woman-was a Human Jedi Master whose estimated to be over a century in age. The battle itself took place on a world called Cophrigin V. While Vader ultimately emerged victorious in that fight, the Dark Woman still gave him a serious challenge. She was able to compete with Vader in lightsaber combat, even using a power known as Plant Surge to ensnare his limbs with vines and actually disarming him of his red lightsaber. That is beyond impressive considering the duel occurred close to A New Hope, where Vader was said to be at the height of his power. I like to imagine the creators of Jedi Survivor took some inspiration from the Cophrigin duel when establishing Cere’s final stand.

I just want to point out one thing people don’t notice when it comes to cere. When you play Cere she has a unique move set the light combo is a stab swing then overhead and the heavy sends you into the air while smashing down if you are in the air along with stronger versions of the force abilities. When Cal uses the dark side slow he replaces his move set with ceres move set exactly. I believe this is a nod to cere using the dark side to fuel her abilities the same way mace does. Usually light side users that tap into the dark are given a purple saber, and her fight with Vader shows how formidable she was. Vaapad which Mace used let’s a Jedi tap into the dark side to fuel their power along with the dark side of their opponent which let him easily dismantle sidious. I just love how you can see she still had darkness but has a outlet for it due to cal having her move set when he’s enraged. Just more context clues given via gameplay.

9:33 I love the way they’re standing with their sabers crossed, reminds me a lot of the fight on the Death Star in a new hope

She’s a beast! I got chills when Vader said I see you’ve gotten stronger and Cere responding NO I ONLY LET GO OF MY FEAR🥶

Look. I (like any star wars fan) LOVE Darth Vader. And i think these games did a hell of a job respecting the character and his power level. You definitely feel like you're fighting with a Juggernaut in this game - in fact this was the boss fight that gave me the most trouble aside from Ogdo & his spawn in the force tear! Cere Junda was never my favourite character (didnt love her didn't hate her) but i respect her a hell of a lot more for the fight she put up against Vader. Cant understand why people just dont accept this fight for what it is

I’d like to think Vader really respected her tbh. The fact she locks in with him, faces him without fear and displays unique power is notable. I think Vader was entertaining himself in the first two stages of the duel, but once she sets him on fire it’s over almost immediately.

I wanna see a interaction between obi wan / Cal Kestis using the blaster saber

Love this video, great to see Cere get the recognition she deserves. So many people have a hard time accepting Vader had to work a little bit but when you think about who Cere is and how far she’s come it’s not difficult to take in at all

I didn't really pay attention to how it happened. But it's crazy how fast vaders reflexes were that he was able to grab her hands and make her miss.

You also can’t leave out the fact of how long she not only survived after being stabbed but how long she stayed standing

I think it's pretty clear that Cere is high Jedi council level aka maybe not as powerful as Obi-Wan, Mace windu or Yoda but in the lower end of the tier and could probably keep up with them by the time of her death in survivor. I do think however, that at the very least during the start of her duel with Vader that he was heavily underestimating her and playing with his food so to speak. Up until he had the giant bookcase smashed down on him based on his statement of her being stronger prior and almost sounding surprised at how attuned into the force she is despite already being on the other end of her prowess with the force in the last game which only takes place 5 years earlier.

Cere really grew on me as a character between the last two games, deep down i had a feeling she was gonna die in survivor though, theres no way for cal to progress in his story without doing it on his own, i love the send off too with the fight with vader.

Finally a video about cere's powerscaling, her perfomance against vader war simply astounding and also belieavable

I think Cal has the potential to surpass Cere, but Cere is more powerful thanks to experience

I honestly think Cere is the concept of Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi but done in a more nuanced and palatable way.

Vader knew Cere would beat any inquisitor. That’s why he said “I have come for you”

Ngl, Cere got greedy with that big flashy jumping deathblow. If the deathblow had been a feint to set up an attack from a different angle instead of a dashing stab and she immediately force-reverses her jump mid-air, dashes backward, and transitions into a helicopter lightsaber throw or something, it might have caught Vader as he waited to counter her heroic move. If anything, Vader didn't even counter that by the skin of his teeth. In fact, I'd bet that when she did that, he was immediately reminded of his ill-fated jump on Mustafar vs. Obi-Wan and felt an emotion captured by the quote, "Revenge is served," before countering her deathblow. It reminds me of reading a take that says that Obi-Wan once discussed his victory over Darth Maul with Anakin regarding the jump move he did before cutting him in half, and on Mustafar, he baited Anakin to try it on him. Cere may have been unfamiliar with that little story and didn't know Vader would be extremely prepared to counter a move like that at the very end given his experience in lightsaber combat, especially when it comes to clutch deathblows, which Vader knows A LOT about. Man, if Cere had known that and baited him, it would have been a GENIUS tactic that Vader might have easily fallen for. It would have been hilarious if she used a setup like that to leave Vader's flesh intact but cybernetically limbless & under another giant bookcase, astonished and embarrassed.

I think Vader just really underestimated her and because of that he got completely caught of guard with that stuff falling on to him doing more damage than he predicted. Wouldn't have changed the outcome anyways but she's definitely up there with the other Jedi masters

There's so many people downplaying cal and cere but don't even knows there's a novel and comics

Happy you are making more Star Wars videos. Here’s an idea. After the comic series The Broken Blade comes out, you should make a video on Porter Engle as you’ve talked about him being the strongest Jedi. The Broken Blade is seemingly going to show us why he is called the blade of bardotta so that’s why I suggest the wait.

One thing to note is that for the first three quarters of the fight Vader is making his classic mistake - being cocky. He is playing with Cere, not really trying very hard to defeat her. After she drops an archive on him and messes up his life support, he starts trying, but by this point he's already sustained pretty heavy damage.

The Darth Vader fight really showed how powerful he is

I love how some Vader fans say that the only reason Cere got so close to killing him is because he underestimated her. In my opinion it isn't any excuse for Vader. Dark side and underestimating your opponent are connected with one and another. Dark side makes you stronger quickly but also makes you arrogant. Star Wars showed many times that dark side users often lose to objectively weaker Jedi due to this (for example Maul vs Ahsoka). I personally believe that by this time Vader kinda believed in his myth of being so powerful that he doesn't even have to try which made him lose to Obi-wan and almost lose to Cere. Even if Vader technically is better duelist and stronger in the force, the dark side ironically makes him weaker.

playing as cere and Dark Cal made me want another star wars unleashed or a game of that style

I’m just glad to see Cere getting the love she deserves. Remember everyone hating on her on Fallen Order for no discernible reason

Let's not forget: Vader was using both hands against Cere. His fighting style is frequently one handed.

she made it to masterhood, that alone makes her exceptional. she survived order 66 and captivity in an inquisitor base, that makes her one of maybe three to do both those things. she almost destroyed the inquisitor base twice single handed, throws ships from the air into the ground, and imposed her will to force people in onto her blade, and vader himself to his knees, this puts her in league with a handful in history including maul, vader, rey, palpatine, dooku, windu, plo koon, shaak ti, obi wan, yoda, valkorion/vitiate, malgus, satele, bane, revan, nomi sunrider, luke. what stops me putting ahsoka here is she does not have as much stamina and had only held her own against vader when he wasn't trying to kill her yet. what put her in a league of her own was how she managed to use the dark side so destructively, and yet return to arguably be a vessel and avatar for the purity of the light side, only enacted twice. once before by yoda in late 19bby against the most powerful lord of the sith who was using the full might of the dark side at his pinnacle, and in this 8-9bby time period by a resurgent obi wan. to put into perspective, not to our knowledge in the 800 odd years of yoda did he have to struggle coming back from the dark side so much that he cut himself off the force out of shame, but cere who is more than 700 years younger in her early 70s? did. cere having come back from that to be the polar opposite with her force connection and discipline, came closer to destroying one of the most powerful lords of the sith than yoda did in the same position and was prepared to do what needed to be done unlike obi wan kenobi in both his duels. in a way she nearly surpassed both those jedi in her trial against the sith. she was more dangerous than kenobi, she was even a potential danger to sidious.

Great break down keep it up 🔥🔥🔥

So basically, cere with her incredible prowess, harnesses the power of the light as the single paragon of the Jedi order . Yoda hiding, obi wan hiding, the only one who had truly become the next grand master; Cere Junda.

Would be interesting do a scaling video on a legends character like valkorian,nihilius,or reven

The amount of Vader cope in this comment section is laughable. If it hurts your ideal image of your daddy so much just ignore this instance of him struggling like you’ve always done 😂

Another great video. Btw what sources are those from @4:30, 12:18, 13:07? Wanna check it out for fun as well.

Consider this: aside from Kenobi, nobody has given Vader a nice old barbacue like Cere.

I have no real comment of substance beyond saying two things: 1. I love the characters and stories these games have introduced into canon and think they’ve been developed incredibly well; and 2. Why couldn’t the folks responsible for the games have been in charge of the sequels?

Girl survived for long enough to literally walk away from Vader but didn't decide to move the saber just a bit more left lmao

I think that one thing people seem to be forgetting is that Cere was on the back pedal for a good portion of the fight. Yes Vader is very strong and intimadating, but he is not invincible, a force a nature sure. But he most certainly is not invunerable. The fact that people have a problem with him getting hurt at all in a duel is a bit silly. It's happened a bit before in the comics. And yeah sure it was obvious that Cere was going to die at some point, but if she died 5 seconds into the fight do you know how much of a buzzkill that would have been at that point in the game? Remember people, Vader is still a person inside of that suit, granted a very strong person but that doesn't mean he can just win literally every fight against a Jedi and come out of it completely unscatched. That's honestly just an impractical way of thinking.

I love how she died from a lightsaber to the stomach. Dagan took a saber through the chest and was still ready to fight.

I picked up on something maybe helping making the case for Jedah being a light side nexus/vergence. If you talk to Sister Taske in Survivor Cal says that Jeddah reminds him of Illum in the way the force feels on the Planet.

Cere gave Vador that work and the way she took out the imperial army was just a masterpiece but danm the way vader got her was slick

I just realized Cere has nightsister tattoos.

For some reason, I saw ppl trying to compare the fight between Cere and Vader, to the fight between Vader and Starkiller from Force Unleashed even tho it's a completely separate continuity. They were saying the version that fought Starkiller was nerfed 🤨

If you notice the way Cere regular move is like Cal using his Dark Side Force. That how powerful she was

I got to meet Debra Wilson about 2 months after the release of Survivor, she's a wonderful woman who knows what grace and strength her character has, honestly one of my favorite characters in star wars

I hope that in the third game Cal can use force shield, It is so cool.

KZfaqr: How powerful is Cere Junda? Me: Not powerful enough to give us an alternate timeline.

She kicked Vader's ass. He won but he knew he was in a fight that day.

3:24 that stab was personal💀

I don't think Vader really considered Cere a huge threat until she takes advantage of the burning rubble and crushes him. Then he acknowledges that Cere is serious and actually has to try because she just heavily damaged him.

Will you make a how powerful is Count Dooku video?

For everyone trying to claim Vader was nerfed just remember that he was bullying Cere in the first game (Until Cere embraced the dark side and folded him with the force) Vader wasn’t nerfed, Cere only got stronger over the last five years in between games, she let go of her fear and got more powerful, progressing as a force wielder just as other characters do throughout time and experience.

I feel it’s interesting to note how Cere likely wasn’t at peak strength when fighting Vader too given how she was holding off the Empire before the fight and nearly passed out after dropping part of the Archive on Vader. Maybe she was at full strength given the whole Meditation points, but I’m not sure if that should just be considered a game mechanic or not. Just an interesting thing I thought of after finally getting to and beating the game lol.

you know shit gets real when Vader starts fighting with two hands.

Cere is a badass I was so hype when we got to play her

She is beating Darth Momin.

I've been building up my skill tree to fight Dagan thinking that was the end boss but i was wrong lol -- I've been able to fight Dagan for the last week but I went and did a lot more rumors and big kills to get more skill points to fill some branches -- Today I'm just outside the chamber before the fight with Dagan - then I'm looking forward to the rest of the game. Looking forward to playing as Cere soon after that though, even though I know the outcome since you cannot kill Vadar in the game lol. I've always really liked the Cere character, I hope they do bring her back for Jedi 3 as a Force Spirit/Ghost to guide Cal. I've not even finished Survivor yet and Jedi 3 is years away but I'm already excited. Have absolutely loved Jedi Fallen Order & Survivor. I got God of War with it being out for the PC finally at the same time as I got Survivor after finishing Fallen Order and I haven't even started God of War yet due to how much commitment I have to play Survivor! Thanks for all your videos, they're great!

I feel like Cal will be at this level in the last game, this was just a taste of that!

(9:30) - No, I've only let go of my FEAR - {Cere Junda}

Cool video key issues

I fucking love debra wilson. Absolutely perfect fucking casting.

If you look above the whole thing, it all spells that there will be a third game Add a much more powerful Cal. and in this third game, he will have to deal with his temptation toward the Darkside.. it will probably be cold somewhere along the lines of “Jedi redemption“. just add up all the subtleties in this game and it should show you where it’s pointing.

“I’ve been waiting” Yasssss

loved her Arc

Awesome video.

Bro, this woman literally hits Vader with Highground. He gets up so mad. Lol 😂

I did not realize it was debra wilson from MadTV playing cere till i watched this

Saving this vid for post Survivor

one thing that i hated was taht Cordova died so easily. He could sirvided and then teahc ways to call on how to control his darkside and then died in the next game.

Because the force defaults light side I’d say anything that isn’t explicitly turned into a darkside nexus should be assumed to be a lightside vergence. It’s probably pretty similar to the new cannon on corrupting kyber

the first time i played Fallen Order, i legit thought Vader killed Cere when he yeet’d her off the edge, as though tossing her into lava. of course was relived to see her less than 5 minutes later, but with how much of an unstoppable monster Vader was presented in that game, i believed it Her death in Survivor was very well done,allowing Vader to be a fightable boss, but ultimately unbeatable

I think its a good thing that the fight went as is. As a Vader fanboy myself, you can see the ocerconfidence that we all know vader has in the first 2 phases, showing his arrogance and disdain in cere from their previous meetings, but once she landed that bookcase move, he realized that he messed up, and fixed his attitude and focused up. Personally i loved the fight, and cere did great in her final battle, and this fight helps both characters by showing that vader isnt perfect, and that he still has a bit of anakin ego in him

Thank you I requested this video on someone else channel and they recommend you

That darth vader fight. It may just b me but I raged so hard in that third phase

I know people are a little salty but I personally like Cere as a character

Honestly when she said "ive been waiting" and the arena changed , i tought she had a trap ,like drowning vader or some kind of mechanism to stop him or something. But no...

Are the Jedi texts from The Last Jedi the ones that we recover in Jedi Survivor

At first I wasn't a fan of cere matching Vader, but with jedha being in my opinion a clear light side nexus it does make sense and it seems i missed just how powerful she clearly is. Good game.

3:46 YEET!!! 😂😂😂😂

If cere didnt lose to her emotions i believe she would have fought a serious vader using the force to put her down just like he did to obiwan. you seriously cant jump like that into a enemy that was trained by kenobi in swordfighting as well as sidious in the force.

The only reason she almost beat vader is because he was not really trying at the start, but when she dropped the archives on him, he started to take it seriously and won by the skin of his teeth. She's a rather average jedi master tbh. Plus you said cal "struggles" against purge troopers. But thats only gameplay. You can see cal one shotting purge troopers in cutscenes.

Been waiting for someone to talk about how strong she is took forever for a powerscaling for her

Bro posted IT REALLY IS MY BIRTHDAY

The only correction I have, is, he did not defeat grandmaster Yoda. They landed in a standstill. They were equals in the force. Yodas small stature and old age caused him to retreat into exile, because he knew if he lost the fate of the Jedi order would be lost with him.

Could you make a video on the strength of all versions of obi wan ( Star Wars TPM, AOTC, ROTs, rebels/ANH) please : )

Can you scale bode? Also outside of the story and emotions involved was bode a difficult fight for cal?

I mean… In the whole timeline (with comics) there were like two occasions when Vader got actually hit hard so I think she’s pretty strong

I hope if we get another game cal will be as strong as cere and only other force users are a threat to him

11:04 add great the most hyped part add IT DIDN’T EVEN GO THROUGH HIM

Imagine how short the first game would've been if she just wasn't afraid of using the force...

She's powerful enough to make vader limp. And that's pretty fucking powerful if you ask me

Considering that the force is such an individalistic and spiritual thing. I hate that people try to power scale with it and quantify it, it just feels like counter to the entire meaning of the force as a concept