I set one up for cross drilling on my Chinese lathe using the supplied pulleys. Looks and mounts like a miniature Dumore or Baldor TPG. Camera: Nikon L820
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@garyc54835 жыл бұрын
Looks to be a handy little device for modelling work Rob. Thanks for sharing. regards from the UK
@dankolar60665 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Thank you for sharing.
@glennfelpel97855 жыл бұрын
Very nice, thank you for showing this set up.
@richardmckay38445 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing your work and giving a detailed commentary, always a pleasure to watch your channel. Best regards from Scotland.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard. Cheers from down under.
@TheMiniMachineShop4 жыл бұрын
Haven't stopped by in some time but really nice design!! Well done! Cheers..
@springwoodcottage42485 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Fabulous piece of kit, complementing your dye grinder & Hilda set ups & so useful for putting cross holes where they are needed, using for example the optical setup with the camera microscope that you showed sometime ago to give super accurate hole division etc at such low cost. Thanks for sharing!
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Just shows you don't need a lot of money or brand name kit to do accurate work. I'm sure I burn up a lot of wanna be machinists who dish out mega bucks to have the very best equipment money can buy. That doesn't make you a good machinist. It just gives you bragging rights ;) Cheers Rob
@springwoodcottage42485 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu I am getting around to thinking that the more you pay for something the more likely hood that it will brake in some way that is expensive and inconvenient to fix. Too cheap will hurt you, but at least then you have money left to get something else based on what you learn, but too expensive gets you many ways. The decision by various tool makers to sponsor youtube stars looks to me to be brilliant commercial logic. The money must have come back countless times from folk seduced into the new tech and feeling they are incomplete with out it. The beauty of seeing this lower cost stuff that you have shown is that it removes the fears of it being too cheap and I have bought with confidence some fabulous stuff such as the digital micrometer you reviewed that is a great blessing to me. I rarely if ever bother now with the analogue ones nowadays.
@neilhansen56635 жыл бұрын
Nice little setup
@columjevens46125 жыл бұрын
Brill😀👍. Enjoyed the simplicity of the set up .
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
More to come Colum ;)
@allengentz75725 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob good bit of kit.
@martik778 Жыл бұрын
Great idea. I may get an ER11 adapter to mount directly to the 5mm 775 motor shaft to eliminate the need for the belt and separate spindle. I just need it for a TPG.
@RRINTHESHOP5 жыл бұрын
Nice setup Robert, works well.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Randy, Works OK for a cheap fun thing. Would be a bonus for most model makers. Plus it gives some good shed time ;) Cheers Rob
@keldsor5 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob ! I have decided to finish/evaluate my projects in the pipe, but I'm afraid I just got another one in there ;-) ! I will try to draw it first and maybe get some good improvement ideas. Right now I'm buzy finishing my wheel chairs - a Hell of a setup job ! Thx for sharing !
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Keld, This was just a suck it and see project/basic build. Proof of concept I suppose you could say. I have two modifications that I will probably include. The first is to give the chuck more drill space as indicated, the other is yet to be revealed ;) For anyone with a lathe these kits make for good fun and an opportunity to play around in the workshop - without spending very much money. What could be better ? The end product could even be useful. Cheers Rob
@kiritvara2575 жыл бұрын
Very good very useful but very easy to make .Thanks
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop5 жыл бұрын
G'day Rob. Very handy little device.
@Spetet4 жыл бұрын
Nice. If you need bigger holes, you can do precise pilot holes with this, and finish on the drill press.
@mechanical19554 жыл бұрын
Nice one again Rob Those little motors are very useful and cheap Your setup would be ideal for cutting small keyways in shafts Thumbs up
@jpwipeout995 жыл бұрын
I didn’t see the build (just subscribed). But this is a clever device! Awesome job mate
@RickRose5 жыл бұрын
Nice job Rob. Looks like a mini Dumore grinder.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Sure does - the drive pulley is on the opposite side on the big one.
@SteveJordan5 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, A really nice design. A good test also. So it is a brilliant design for model makers, like you have proved. On one of my toolpost drills I have several drills that are shortened for use, like core drills for BA screws etc .
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, It's basically a miniature Dumore grinder :) By playing around with the voltage and gearing you could actually make it run like one for small work. I don't intend to do much grinding with it as I don't like the idea of the DC motor having permanent magnets, which are going to attract grindings both inside and out. For cross and radial drilling this will be no problem and the accuracy will be top notch and repeatable. I've done a couple of mods which should interest you - in the next video. Cheers Rob
@dalemcinnes18345 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this follow up on this little unit. I sure see lot's of ideas with this. One improvement might be a variable speed with a variable power supply up to full speed for better grinding capabilities etc.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
All things are possible.
@Reman19754 жыл бұрын
These 775 motors can go from 3000 ish RPM at 12V, and go all the way up to nearly 10,000 rpm at 36v (Most go to 36V, Some are only rated to 24V continuous use). The "Machifit No Power Spindle Assembly" comes with a 20T spindle pulley and Banggood only seem to offer a 10T pulley in the XL tooth size to fit to your motor, So that still only gears the spindle down into the 1500/5000 rpm range. Putting a cheap and cheerful PWM speed controller into the circuit would be a great idea because you could just get a 36V PSU and use the speed controler to drop the speed when required. You'd lose some torque when trying to slow it right down, But as this kit of parts isn't going to be much use to make over a 5mm hole anyway, You'd only really need to get down to 1300 rpm for steel anyway. If you wanted to surface grind using this setup you'd really need some pretty impressive speeds. The SFPM ("Surface feet per minute" in case anyone's wondering) needed for most grinding want's to be up around 5,000 to 10,000 (Note, That's SFPM NOT rpm), So with the spindle only going 5000 rpm you'd need something like a 4 to 8" grinding wheel to get up to the SFPM !!!. If you decided to go with different pulleys, Say for instance a 60T motor and 20T spindle pulley, You could get a much more usable 30.000 rpm at the spindle, And that would mean being able to use 1/2" to 1.1/2" grinding wheels, But I'm pretty sure the spindles bearings wouldn't be particularly happy at that speed for long, and even a slight imbalance in the assembly at those RPM's is going to vibrate the whole lathe and ruin any surface finish benefit grinding would have given you.......... There's a reason why tool post surface grinders look unreasonably expensive. :)
@hdadb5 жыл бұрын
Neat piece of kit Rob. Some cutting oil will no doubt help with drilling steel.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
If that takes your fancy. It will help a bit.
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc79243 жыл бұрын
That is not bad on drilling at all, I have the 12 volt version of this, I made a 100mm circular saw for cutting Frets out on a cigar box guitar using a jig i made so the depth is only about 3mm in the cut, works perfect every time, The saw blade is direct on the drill. The 775 motor is not the fastest on the block but it has a lot of torque, Your drills were chipping nice there, they must be sharp!!
@superrodder20025 жыл бұрын
A good way to establish center height would be to put a drill or steel rod in the drill Chuck and the other end in the lathe Chuck. Then spot the holes in the pillow block to your mounting bracket
@rayfalcone68975 жыл бұрын
nice video Rob, i made a similar one and i used a larger ac supply with a bridge rectifier rated for 45 amps.and it works great also the same can be applied to a small southbend 9'' .....cheers
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ray, Endless fun for not much money. What could be better? Cheers Rob
@stemer11495 жыл бұрын
I like the setup, thank you for showing. It would be even better if that spindle was available with a small collet chuck, ER11 or so.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Yes, collets rule.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Note: It appears that my information about the drill chuck tapers is incorrect. I have only ever seen Jacobs Tapers on drill chucks in Australia, but apparently there is a B taper used on chucks in Europe. I read the chuck stampings and assumed they were all Jacobs as the smallest one is Jacobs 0. I reasoned that the B was a chuck size/type related number. I also notice that Steve Jordan referred to them as B type mounts and thought he was wrong, however it is likely that the three largest chucks are actually European B Taper and not Jacobs. So be aware of this difference. Cheers Rob
@iancraig19515 жыл бұрын
Its a pretty good idea Rob--I did something similar a few years ago,made sure the spindle was heavy enough and direct coupled an electric drill to it..Use it as a tool post grinder or use it with an end mill to cut keyways in shafts..Its pretty handy to have around..E Also I have been using the wheel divider full on--had to make 15 or 16 sprockets--38 teeth --22--and so on--it was real easy,it was just work time..
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, Work time is always good for those jobs ;) Yes, the divider wheel works excellently. Best used with a USB microscope. Easier to use than any dividing head. Cheers Rob
@EverettsWorkshop5 жыл бұрын
Very cool, I've wondered at how powerful these little units are. Would be good even as a starting point for a light duty tool post grinder setup, where you want it to run a little faster. Thanks for sharing!
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
More volts equals more speed with DC ;)
@johnstrange67995 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Note: This is NOT a heavy duty workshop unit. This is just a play thing that is excellent for model making. If you expect more, look elsewhere. Don't expect top shelf equipment for the few miserly bucks this thing costs. If you want the business then be prepared to pay for it. Cheers Rob
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Z pewnością tak jest. Bardzo tanie za to, co może zrobić. Dobry projekt zabawy.
@dirkjulius18635 жыл бұрын
Nice work Rob! Could this 775 DC motor using solar generated power drive in your opinion/experience a low RPM electric generator like those shown at kzfaq.info
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Why would you use a motor from solar power to drive a generator when all you need is a DC feed to storage batteries ?
@kirillkirillov38095 жыл бұрын
Most cordless tools based on 775 motor have 20amps overload protection. 4amps is not near enough for this motor.
@ray-charc31315 жыл бұрын
Sewing machine motor is better. No belt direct connection.
@nsns49745 жыл бұрын
Very good
@zedo58515 жыл бұрын
Slow it down and try a end mill might work for every small keyways or slots. Love the concept and simple design great job. Zed
@ChrisB2575 жыл бұрын
Nice set up Rob... motor seems to work out adequate for modest drill sizes.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, It's meant for very small/light work. You can't expect anything else for this size and price. I saw someone somewhere saying they can only drill 2 mm with these, but that's total BS. Maybe their drill was blunt. Then again it could have been their brain ;) Cheers Rob
@garyhardman83695 жыл бұрын
Nice job Rob. I will be ordering the same kit from Banggood. A while back, I needed to do some cross drilling on my lathe, so I cobbled a cheap Dremel type tool on to the tool post. It would have been much easier with the kit you used!
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
It's worth the few Drachma.
@awsedxzq4 жыл бұрын
muy ingenioso y excelente idea.
@Xynudu4 жыл бұрын
Funciona de maravilla. Lo uso regularmente para hacer modelos. Muy preciso y rápido de configurar. Cheers Rob
@EnglishTurbines5 жыл бұрын
I made a similar one some time ago...I think it would benefit from a bit more gearing down, providing more torque. As with most drilling, once you have a pilot hole, opening out to a bigger size is easy.
@airgunningyup5 жыл бұрын
very cool
@anthonymagnani41005 жыл бұрын
Just thinking out aloud... can you angle the compound and re-align the drill channel to parallel to ways and give room for longer drills? Looks great!
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, That is how you would do it for radial drilling. Clearance is no issue in that situation, but that's not cross drilling capable. Cheers Rob
@allanpowell72085 жыл бұрын
Rob, just a suggestion: mount the drill chuck on a pair of slots to lower and higher the chuck and use an end mill. Light milling on this would be a breeze, as always the video is well worth a watch. Keep at it, you give a lot of people both information and entertainment . Cheers
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Allan, Lots of possibilities with this. I do most of my milling on the lathe with a mill slide as I don't have a milling machine. There will be something interesting in the next video showing a few modifications which expand the power spindle envelope somewhat. I see BG have sold thousands of these components. Apparently there is a lot of interest in the power spindle and the DC motor from enthusiasts/hobbyists/RC/model makers etc. People forget that a lot of people work in a miniature world out there and make some amazing stuff, so full credit to them. Takes real skill to do that type of work. Glad you enjoy the videos and thanks for the suggestion. Cheers Rob
@allanpowell72085 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu I got sick of milling larger work on the Myford so I got a Hafco 52 for all ops except small jobs. Got sick of the Hercus for big turning so I got a Colchester Triumph 2000 but I do love seeing the short cuts and ideas you come up with. They would have saved me hours had I known of them sooner. Cheers Mate
@whidbeyman5 жыл бұрын
It's easy enough to measure power input, which is how small dc electric motors are often rated, anyway. 746 Watts per horsepower. At 19 volts, that's 39 amps per hp.
@Reman19754 жыл бұрын
I've only just found this video. I've got all the parts to make a similar tool post drill/grinder for my lathe. Interestingly I independently settled on the exact same spindle and motor setup (Looked a good compromise between space and power, But I'm intending to make a flatter "Chassis" from either a block of alloy or, If the final dimensions allow it, one of the offcuts of thick walled steel box section that my workroom's littered with. My idea is to mount the motor at the end of the block, then cross drill the other end so I can lose the original drill spindles housing and fit it's bearings directly into the chassis. This way I should be able to flip the unit over and refit it upside down and at 90' when I need to drill into the end of a workpiece. As long as I measure the height from the compound slides top face to the centerline of the lathes spindle and double that to get the total thickness for the unit's chassis......... But minus a couple of MM, Because I'd rather it was shimmed up to get right on the centerline, as it would be a lot harder to "Shim down" to it if I slightly cock up the dimensions, I should be golden. 😁 I'll drill the tool post mounting hole through the block as close to the units drill chuck corner as I can in the hope it'll cut down on how much torsion the unit sees when I'm trying to push my less than perfectly reground drill bit's through workpieces. With any luck this should be a reasonably quick, But useful little addition for my lathe...... and yet another to it's alarmingly large collection of unguarded pulleys and belts (I really really REALLY have to do something about all those belts, It's probably a good idea to make some guards while I've still got all the fingers I'd require to make them !!! 🤔).
@Xynudu4 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your project. Tolerances have to be spot on for these to work correctly. Shims are handy when you can use them ;) Cheers Rob
@ronwilken52193 жыл бұрын
There's a design on a recent "homemade tools" website video showing this bearing block and spindle complete with covers over the belt etc. Very professional looking. Appeared in the last fortnight. Have a look for it. Might be just what you want.
@fun_ghoul5 жыл бұрын
I always find myself thinking of the voltage as being _only_ related to motor speed, but I guess the real import is how much balls (or, in metric, wattage) the motor has to power through the tough stuff as opposed to no-load speed. In that vein, would you not be able to use a larger drill if you powered it with 36V?
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Yes. That's basically how the HILDA operates. Being low torque it drops drill speed to safer levels in hard going.
@pierresgarage26875 жыл бұрын
Just like you say, it's great for drilling smaller holes, you could even try small carbide drill bits by maxing the speed, just that carbide needs a good solid set-up... Interesting due to the low cost of the whole assembly.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Pierre, It's cheap fun in the workshop. You can't expect miracles for that sort of money, and for model making it could actually build something useful. I will try it on some light milling (keyway maybe) and see how it shapes up. I don't expect the supplied bearings to tolerate a lot of that, but it would be easy to bung in a few more races to take care of the side thrust if it looks like a goer. Toys for boys ;) The next best thing to beer. Cheers Rob
@MabrayFarm5 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool set up. wonder if adjusting the sizes on the pulleys to slow the spindle speed and increase the torque would help with the larger drills?
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Aaron, It would. Cutting a larger spindle pulley would be pretty easy. It's basically just a spur gear with a different tooth profile. The raised edges are actually not required. If the belt is running true it will stay in position. Most car and motorcycle Gilmer/toothed belt camshaft drives are like this. Cheers Rob
@telesniper25 жыл бұрын
cool
@pgs85975 жыл бұрын
G’day Rob, simple design and works, what else could you ask for. I was just thinking how many tool post drill/grinders do you need, you’ve done the Hilda, air pencil drill, now this, have you done others or am I confused with Steve Jordan? Works good mate, cheers Peter
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
I also have my original "0" sized Baldor industrial TPG that rarely sees the light of day now. Size is important with grinders, and small is often the way to go. Most industrial TPGs won't fit on any lathe smaller than 10" swing. So these little jiggers are mighty handy if you are a hobbyist. Cheers Rob
@griplove5 жыл бұрын
Is that the JT2 sized Chuck? Great video, these little no power spindles look pretty neat.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@apollorobb5 жыл бұрын
i built one similar with a outrunner RC motor and a ER16 collet chuck
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Sounds good. Collets are the best.
@fourtwo76125 жыл бұрын
Do you think it would be possible to use a shorter belt? That would give a more compact layout.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, You could do that if you can find one. Moving the centres closer together does reduce the arc (number) of the gripping teeth on the drive pulley, so the current setup is about right. Cheers Rob
@geograph10005 жыл бұрын
that is a very neat set up Rob, I have been on the lookout for something like this for a while with a tool post grinder in mind, do you think your design would be up to grinding cheers mate, bob from Goolwa
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bob, You would have to spin it faster with higher DC voltage or gear it up. TPGs generally run in the high 20 - 30 K rpm ranges. I have a Waldown TPG and it's a screamer. Internal grinding generally requires very high speed as the stones are small diameter. Sealed bearings may not last long at those sort of speeds. TPG's run open oil bathed magneto bearings which are designed for this type of work. The design will grind, but speeds will be down on a real TPG. Cheers Rob
@geograph10005 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu that sounds about right, I think I will give it a go, it would be a valuable addition to the workshop thank you for your reply, much appreciated
@ericchilton37815 жыл бұрын
hi rob ....is that 5" channel you used for the base of the bracket ? thanks ...Eric in Kentucky ...USA.......
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric. It's 4 x 2 inch thick wall. You don't see this stocked very often. This was some left over from a salvage yard pick up. Cheers Rob
@ericchilton37815 жыл бұрын
thanks for your quick reply............Eric
@jackboswell16843 жыл бұрын
Hi, how did you raise and lower your spindle? I’m going to build. Nice job. Thank you
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the question. The spindle is on lathe center line using dead centers to align it.
@jackboswell16843 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu Hi , sorry for the confusion. It looks to me that the first part of the video the spindle is way below the center line, and the second part of the video the spindle is on the center line so you could grind and drill. Did you some how raise the spindle and motor or am I looking at it wrong. Hope that is a little clearer. Thankyou so much for the help and sure enjoy the videos. Jack P.S. I got my spindle today!!!!!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
It's just camera angle Jack. Everything is on center line. Cheers Rob
@chuckels4315 жыл бұрын
Nice work sir, while you’re modifying it how about a larger pulley on the spindle, it would give you more torque and bring the rpm down for the larger drill bits.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Yes, good comment. I have done a lot of spur gear cutting and this would be a similar exercise. Not very difficult. You just need to profile a cutter and do it. The sides of these toothed belt pulley teeth are not actually parallel. But that is no problem. It would be a simple exercise to make a tapered cutter out of an old reamer, much like a Woodroofe keyway cutter, using a TPG. Cheers Rob
@johanandersson92875 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Rob! Given your title above, and that the 775 should take about 150W nominal - I guess you'd have somewhat better torque with a beefier DC supply (and cables): 10-15 Amps out to begin with, then it wouldn't drop its speed or hog, just chew up all the volts and amps and run! With your current supply the motor simply cannot perform, as the power supply limits the motor's possible output, which was your goal with the test. Your quote on "half an amp" is probably when the motor is freewheeling w/o a load. Measure the idling consumption with belt and spindle and you'll probably see it swallows almost 2 of your 4 available amps right there... BangGood's figures for revs and consumption is often not correct even at no-load. //Just for kicks I fed a kiddie electric kickbike 36 V (nominal 12 v & 150 W) and my ammeter maxed out at standstill, more than 20 A, or over 750W in. No harm to the motor in these short bursts. Just zoomed along at max 25 kph.// Cheers, DIYSwede
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Johan, I just measured the amps down to stall speed on that 4.7 amp 19 volt printer power pack. Wow, you are on the money. 1.1 amps at free turning speed/load. It gets worse, a lot worse under load ;) Watch the next video where I explore this aspect and show a few modifications and numbers. That sure is one amp hungry little motor. I'm surprised as the armature windings are fairly light gauge. Having said that, the scrap power pack will do all I want for model making and the maximum drill size is fine for that type of work. I might gear it down a bit mechanically in the future - making a toothed pulley would be quite easy. I feel the need for some more gear cutting ;) I could run it off of one of the two commercial AC - DC inverters I have, but I like the idea of the printer pack being sealed, it's much better/safer in oily and dirty lathe conditions. The larger units have to breath, so there's always a chance of metal ingress and you really need a permanent shielded mount for them. Cheers Rob
@johanandersson92875 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu Thanks Rob - I thought your note above was directed north, to me... //Crudely stated: Motor revs (when free-running) are nearly proportional to the input voltage, and motor torque is proportional to drawn current. You need a PSU that can deliver both, with a bit of headroom depending on how much overload capability you want. Electric motors can stand app 300% overload for a short time (as my kiddie kickbike example showed) - then you need a temp fuse (motor guards work like that: High start current and lower when running @nominal speed) to protect it from welding itself shut. The 775 is rated (fingers crossed) at 150 W, and that's supposed to mean continous effect... Personally, I've scrounged 2 crates full of PSUs from the electronics dumpster at work, as the IT guys swapped all the computers a few years back: DELL DA-2 "Power Brick" 220W: 12 VDC, 18 A, totally enclosed with a remote start possibility. Easily series connected for higher voltage (I haven't tried them in parallel, as I have a gut feeling that their stabilizers might make the output oscillate). Only snag is: you cannot tweak the output voltage (13,9 would otherwise be great for charging SLAs), and even worse: You gotta ramp up the start load over a second, otherwise they'll shut themselves down. Tip: Look for computer server PSUs - those can crank out from half a kW upwards...// Opted for a spindle/ chuck kit myself, but took the 200W 885 Lo-rev motor instead, and I'll try those out. I'll get back with info in abt a month if you're curious. Keep up the good, cheap work! Cheers! DIYSwede
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
@@johanandersson9287 Free is always good. Cheap can also be good when carefully selected and used appropriately ;) Dumpster diving is the sport of Kings. Yes, let me know how you get on. You can email me at gloaming_agnet@hotmail.com if you wish. Cheers Rob
@swanvalleymachineshop5 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had one of those moments when you turned the lathe on instead of the drill ! Cheers .
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Max, Yes, more than once. It's a mindset thing with using a lathe. You wonder how you can be so stupid, but it happens all too easily. I think we've all done it at some stage. Cheers Rob
@swanvalleymachineshop5 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu Thats ok , i was pressure turning the other day & grabbed the chuck key to release the part !
@user-de1mu1cw6r5 жыл бұрын
Очень хорошее приспособление...Возьму на заметку..если автор не против...!!
@richardchang97404 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, where did you get the pulley from? Was it home made or bought? Cheers
@Xynudu4 жыл бұрын
Both were bought. Came with the kit.
@dalegriggs53925 жыл бұрын
Robby, Decent demonstration and simple design that gets it done. I am as surprised as you at the capacity of the little motor. Most cordless machines have even smaller motors but the power is amplified through gear reduction which also amplifies torque. Some of that is achieved in this application by pulley ratio but not that much so the motor is really quite powerful. A set of machine drills and your good to go. Jobber drills would be too long in the larger sizes. Thanks for the information.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dale, It did better than I expected. I might have a go at light milling with it when I get a chance. I doubt the bearings are up to it long term, but it will be interesting. Should be simple to add a few more races to beef up the spindle side load capacity. Cheers Rob
@dalegriggs53925 жыл бұрын
I thought about that possibility. Perhaps cutting a key way or something similar. As you I don’t believe the bearings would last long in a milling application but it would be interesting to see the results. Banggood must have a super overstock of those kits as cheap as they are selling them. I haven’t ordered any but just might now that I know the capabilities of the motor. I have a couple of those 9 volt power cubes plus a 12 or 24 volt power block that powers a couple of spot lights in my shop. They were meant for off road vehicles and provide a lot of illumination. I lost my left eye in Vietnam back in the sixties so good lighting is critical as well as magnification for my one tired eye. I mostly use an optivision headset rather than a magnifying glass. Works better for me.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dale, It's no powerhouse,but does the job on small fun projects. Ideal tool for Stirling and flame licker motor builds. Cheers Rob
@MrSuwds5 жыл бұрын
Hi nynudu, how much speed did you measure on the axis?
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
A bit over 3K.
@lewisl59855 жыл бұрын
you should try powering it with a rc car brushless motor and esc
5 жыл бұрын
With an end mill inserted would it cut a key way groove?
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, I tried it and it will, but very slow process with shallow cuts and small end mills only. It's doable for model making. You can't compare this little motor to lathe or mill power. Cheers Rob
@divingfalconfpv4602 Жыл бұрын
Wonder if I can get to fit a tank. Put huge battery on tank.
@phamtrung40595 жыл бұрын
Tay nghê gioi quá 👍🏆👏👏👏❤️
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Hi Pham, Hãy nhìn con đường đó. Có lẽ tay người Việt không lớn lắm :) Cheers Rob
@pcka124 жыл бұрын
Now what you need are a couple of opposed cone pulleys and you will have a ‘drilling machine’!
@ronwilken52193 жыл бұрын
A set of pulleys like Unimat used on their small lathes. I have one and have used the mandrel as a milling machine as well. It's a standard attachment for the basic lathe. I made a third pulley which enables a double speed reduction for larger drills and mills.
@captainshihab12323 жыл бұрын
😮😮
@7xME5 жыл бұрын
Just wonder how you'd be able to drill on an angle when directional don't have angles or do they
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Simply rotate BOTH the topslide and align the drill/power spindle to whatever angle you want.
@machinist_matt Жыл бұрын
Hi buddy. What's the ratio of the pulleys?
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
Diameters are 18 and 36 mm.
@machinist_matt Жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu Thank you! 👍
@TheRainHarvester Жыл бұрын
😊
@jasonblann335 жыл бұрын
How does it stack up to the hilda
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
They are totally different concepts. Using the Hilda as the drive motor would be interesting, but you have to remember that die grinders are low torque.
@cryo_life4 жыл бұрын
You could make a table saw
@user-de1mu1cw6r5 жыл бұрын
Какова мощность привода дополнительного шпинделя ???? Это постоянного тока от шуруповерта ???
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Да, это только питание от электродвигателя постоянного тока
@LASSAKRI-Abdelali5 жыл бұрын
you need a gear system...without a gear system. the motor will heat up quickly...
@user-de1mu1cw6r5 жыл бұрын
Как выставить соосность ??? или ход по Z...???
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Используйте ручку в патроне токарного станка, чтобы отметить центральную линию на креплении приводного вала, а затем отмерьте положения болтов оттуда. Окончательно выровняйте по мертвой точке в токарном и сверлильном патронах. Проверьте также, что приводной шпиндель параллелен путям токарного станка. С уважением Роб
@amateurdesubaru5 жыл бұрын
just having seen the size of those chinese bearings in the first video , doesn t look as there is a axial bearing in the kit, this will turn out to be a drill dulling device , why don t design and make it yourself
@robburdack43615 жыл бұрын
Would have been more impressive if you didnt use a pilot and let it drill a fresh hole each time
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
LOL. You always use a pilot hole/spot drill on round stock. Where did you learn metalwoork ? It eventually drilled into solid steel. What more do you want ?
@fun_ghoul5 жыл бұрын
-Also, Rob B., the sides of the drill see more friction than the tip. What you're suggesting is really a better test for drill sharpness than motor wattage, IMO.- EDIT: Of course, that's only the case when you drill a pilot first. Thinking hard sometimes is coffee without.
@Rolingmetal5 жыл бұрын
I think that little spindle needs a thrust bearing. It also runs to fast in my opinion. 500 rpm would be much better. You' re not doing any production work. you should try a cheap PWM board.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
A PWM will reduce power as you are reducing voltage. Better to gear it down more and boost torque if you want to drop the speed.
Knowing utterly nothing about it, I would estimate 100 watts.
@carneeki5 жыл бұрын
If Rob's running 19V with 4 or 5A then the most the power supply could provide would be 19*4 or 19*5 which clocks in between 76 and 95W. Not a bad estimate :) I used to do a lot of robotics competition stuff and there's a company called VexPro who has dyno tested a bunch of different manufacturer's 775 motors and posted the power and torque curves (and all the test data) on their website, some pretty impressive power outputs can be had from them when you can design the gearing to run the motor at the peak of the curve.
@fun_ghoul5 жыл бұрын
Maybe when it stalled, LOL.
@superrodder20025 жыл бұрын
19 volts x 2 amps under load would be 38va so say 45 to 50 watts average
@Andy-df5fj5 жыл бұрын
Power is a factor of torque and speed. You're basically wasting all the power on a speed that's way too fast and an as expected torque that's way too low.
@Andy-df5fj5 жыл бұрын
Put a much bigger pulley on the spindle. Your drills won't last long at those speeds.
@MrF4eable5 жыл бұрын
You probably need a bigger pulley
@dudleycornman16245 жыл бұрын
Yea, for bigger drills, it's just too fast. Geared down it could handle it though.
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would have more torque and the speed would be better for using larger diameter drills.
@user-de1mu1cw6r5 жыл бұрын
Извиняюсь..что на русском...другого нет...Русский тоже могучий язык....😆
@Americal19705 жыл бұрын
I would slow it down
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
Small diameter drills can handle high RPM no problem. Just go to the dentist and see what he is spinning when he drills your teeth. The problem arises when you go larger diameter drills. The radius dictates that the speed be reduced to keep the outer surface speed of the cutter correct. So larger means slower. But this rig does not have the torque to go larger, so no problem, small drills only. But then that is what model makers use.. As we are working with small diameter drills the speed is quite OK. Basic physics which you would have learnt at school tells you this. Cheers Rob
@Americal19705 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu OK. I don't want to sound like a know it all. You have a kool set up there. KZfaq is a great. I admire guys like you who take the time to share with others. I am a 69 yr old retired Pipefitter disabled Vet.... Army
@Xynudu5 жыл бұрын
No problem. I value sensible comments. Ideally a bit slower would be better and give more torque, so maybe I will make a larger spindle pulley down the track. It's just like cutting a spur gear, so that's easy to do. At the moment it is OK and no drill burning is occuring, so I can use it as is, primarily on brass and aluminium. I don't want to fit a PWM voltage reducer/speed controller because you lose power as well, so mechanical reduction is the way to go. It's good to share knowledge and YT is a good learning platform. It's become a video Wikipedia. Cheers Rob