How Progressive Christianity Has Hijacked the Gospel-The Alisa Childers podcast #15

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Alisa Childers

4 жыл бұрын

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@mamamarigold9040
@mamamarigold9040 2 жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. I spent 10 years in new age/occult…I had left Christianity for this. The way you describe progressive Christianity is exactly what I learned in new age. I can’t believe this is even being called Christianity at all. I’m a born again christian now, and I’m seeing progressive ideas moving into churches and people everywhere. I want to be completely set apart from these ideas. Thank you for all of the work you do, Alisa.
@rogersacco4624
@rogersacco4624 3 ай бұрын
Naive .Go to Data over Dogma
@katharinedavis4947
@katharinedavis4947 4 жыл бұрын
I went through 20 years of doubts. Very painful. The long dark night of the soul. When God broke through I never looked back . It is now bulletproof, tested in the fire . I continue studying the word , as I have now for nearly 40 years, I'm 75 now . It worked for me . Maybe other people's path is different. K
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
Are you going to heaven for sure or maybe not? If you are then how do you know for sure?
@martinripka6898
@martinripka6898 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Alicia Childers, thank you for your analysis and your wonderful way of explaining truth and faith! Here in Europe we've sadly been in these trobles for 50 to 100 years by now. (Just think that National Socialism and Atheistic Communism came from Germany.) Also liberal bible dissolution and leftist faith deconstruction are also "Made in Germany (R)" The good news is, that also brilliant brains are there, too. Personalities like Johannes Hartl give talks and write books, which are also 30-40 years ahead of the American situation in the positive way. It would very much be worth translating.
@gheffz
@gheffz 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Alisa !!!! Praise the Lord you are doing this ... you are a great communicator !!!!
@paulpenn6584
@paulpenn6584 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Outstanding! Especially the point you made with the photo of your daughter. So good!
@bec_a
@bec_a 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I love the analogy of the counterfeit money - we recognise the false because we’ve studied and know the truth. I’ve heard Alistair Begg say that too...
@racheltevaseu6508
@racheltevaseu6508 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your eloquent and articulate way of speaking. God bless you.
@d.c.sodyssey4783
@d.c.sodyssey4783 3 жыл бұрын
I predict that this live presentation will be the go-to introduction for others to understand the Progressive movement.
@michaelutley128
@michaelutley128 4 жыл бұрын
You always bring your points to the table in an amazing way. Thank you for what you do.
@kurtanderson5023
@kurtanderson5023 3 жыл бұрын
I had same issue with commercials although she can’t help that. It’s just KZfaq.
@Nyakairu.K
@Nyakairu.K Жыл бұрын
This was so eye-opening. Thank you.
@Nena92169
@Nena92169 2 жыл бұрын
I have totally been blessed by this. Thank you. Good job with that counterfeit photo example
@magdalenamalarveelivaloo1694
@magdalenamalarveelivaloo1694 3 жыл бұрын
Thanking God for He has lead me to your channel.
@imlistening3218
@imlistening3218 3 жыл бұрын
@9:40 where you talk about your rocking in the dark and asking for an lifeboat, and hearing Ravi...that is so close to my situation. And it was Ravi speaking as well. And while there are those who want to condemn him and everything about him, I believe that his ministry and messages served a purpose then- and continue to today. There is much good to learn, and he offers hope in the Truth of the Gospel. If the accusations are true , God will sort that all out. But the messages Ravi spoke should not be destroyed ; they can reach others in ways others may not understand. And Alisa, I'm grateful you use your platform to honor God and that He pulled you out of the brink of deconstruction to serve Him. God bless.
@ooshta
@ooshta 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Alisa & God bless you & your family. Love Ravi Z. When I hear the word progressive & christian together I hear apostates & fake Christians. For when you compromise the word of God or pick & choose what you like & don't like in the bible & act accordingly Than you've become a lukewarm Christian or worse an apostate. That's why I love our Pastor Greg for he calls things for what they are & he's definitely not politically correct. He goes by the bible & only the word of God as absolute. :-)
@indrawinangun2392
@indrawinangun2392 3 жыл бұрын
You are great speaker
@ElliePreacher
@ElliePreacher 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your videos! God bless you Alisa! ❤️🙏
@aaronadams8166
@aaronadams8166 Жыл бұрын
Yes!! Thanks
@gregsmith3615
@gregsmith3615 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your presentation. However, the overwhelming number of commercials throughout was distracting. It took away from the flow and my train of thought in following your explanations.
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
Does she teach what book and verse of the KJV Bible is the Gospel for us today? Enlighten me as I see her as another wolf in sheeps clothing playing on one's emotions. Satan plays on ones emotions!
@polarshift11
@polarshift11 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alisa.
@tieeshacarson-henry7023
@tieeshacarson-henry7023 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@patr9117
@patr9117 3 жыл бұрын
Allen parr brought me here so glad.🙂
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
Where is your video on how to get saved???
@kcrcbest
@kcrcbest 3 жыл бұрын
woooow it boils down to the real belief in Gods Word as the real bill ( it is true about the real and counterfeit ) , the real thing totally thanx
@jelitonunes9094
@jelitonunes9094 4 жыл бұрын
Every person come out to their own doubts, I saw that, but if you come out your own emotions like to be shine doing activities better than others do so, you fall into troubles other than God believed. Therefore every time God said humble yourself with the mighty hand of God. Once I was so much strong believers, God had given me insight wisdom to looked at peoples who talked to them, and by grace you would not believed for me that person i could make out he bring the message of Devil and he can seen me the devil has on him or her face. Meanwhile one person attacked me by shown me a pronographic website which was i never knew about. When I looked at, I addicted in that looked over again and again. I missed balanced of my mentality power. I tried to come out from that, for this my personal issued i paid my tithes, offering regularly in the church. I tried to change my son more than for myself. I found the house by the grace of God, money comes and money goes, i enjoyed good life not physically abusive sex,but spiritually with my own pride of emotion.At last I had given up all this and promised to God i believed in Jesus and repented my sins and everything goes well now. This is personally experience of my life. First of all I want to be humble myself to see the God clearity image of God in Spirit.
@kidkratoski3778
@kidkratoski3778 4 жыл бұрын
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@Jer.616
@Jer.616 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the accusations against Ravi Zacharias?
@AP-Design
@AP-Design 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you have viewed it yet, but she made a video about it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o66klrOmnLawgIk.html
@Jer.616
@Jer.616 3 жыл бұрын
@@AP-Design I hadn't. Thank you!
@insiderinside1905
@insiderinside1905 4 жыл бұрын
Why so many commercials???
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
Got keep that money flowing in! Did Jesus sell books and have commercials? Anyone making a profit off of Jesus is someone you need to run from! She does not even have a video on how to get saved and know for sure you are going to heaven that I can find! Wolf in sheeps clothing!
@joaniel9562
@joaniel9562 3 жыл бұрын
I would imagine like all of us she needs to make an income. It is very obvious that she has spent a lot of time doing research and now teaching us for which I am most grateful
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
@@joaniel9562 What does she teach as far as Salvation goes?
@Lianel402
@Lianel402 3 жыл бұрын
@@abomination2theLord Do your own research! Better yet, contact Alisa and have a conversation with her.
@abomination2theLord
@abomination2theLord 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lianel402 How about you tell me what she teaches on salvation; because, she is not answering me! Love 4Truth!
@Thehappybirder
@Thehappybirder 3 жыл бұрын
I find it hard that somebody would preach against this kind of teaching and yet still teach think that the Bible teaches evolution. This Progressive Christianity is just taking the foundational belief of theistic evolution and taking it to its next logical step. You cannot get to this point with a worldview based on biblical creation. Theistic evolution is not based on the Bible.
@lohell13
@lohell13 4 жыл бұрын
Are only Evangelical Churches Progressive?
@Jer.616
@Jer.616 3 жыл бұрын
No, Catholic and Orthodox can be as well.
@Thehappybirder
@Thehappybirder 3 жыл бұрын
Again, if you believe in theistic evolution you have a hard time speaking out against aberrant sexual behavior. If you can’t defend that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and created us male and female you’re gonna have a hard time defending the rest of the Bible at least with any kind of consistency.
@austindavid7155
@austindavid7155 Жыл бұрын
@12:56 So this may be the earliest creed, but we have to ask, "what scriptures?" "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures." What scriptures? Childers herself admits that 1 Corinthians was written before the gospels, so the "scriptures" Paul is referring to can't be the gospels, even though the gospels claim Jesus died for sins. Yet the letters of Paul appear after the gospels in the New Testament order. There's a reason they did that. The Church knew that if you read the gospels first, and then the letters of Paul, you would be inclined to read the letters of Paul through a gospel lens. How many Christians out there find themselves reading Paul with Gospel presuppositions? But if you read the letters of Paul before the gospels, then when you come across this verse, you're like, "what scriptures?" What scriptures say that Christ died for sins? Would they be in the Old Testament? No! Those are the only scriptures Paul could be referring to, yet the Old Testament says nothing about a Christ dying for sins. In fact, I think it's Daniel chapter 7 that claims that doing charity work atones for sins, not the crucifixion of a messianic figure. So Paul is straight up lying here. He is referring to scriptures that don't actually exist! That's why Progressives deny that the bible is the word of God -- the bible disqualifies itself from such a title with these kinds of things. Childers and other evangelicals need to learn WHY Progressives believe what we believe and deny what we deny. We have reasons and arguments for our beliefs and lack of beliefs. And when evangelicals learn what we believe and why, they often become "Ex-vangelicals," when they become convinced of our arguments. Most people in Progressive Christianity are former evangelicals who have realized that Progressive Christianity actually makes sense and that what they have been raised to believe about the bible in evangelical churches was wrong.
@joehinojosa24
@joehinojosa24 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus NOT PROGRESSIVE, SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER
@ILikeFreedomYo
@ILikeFreedomYo 4 жыл бұрын
I get what your saying about presentation of one's own gospel as more accurate than scriptures. However your forgetting to address priesthood, personal revelation and the fact that the Bible has been translated so many times that you can buy one to say whatever you want it to say anyways. The only reason the bible is divine is because it's written by those who had authority. If you forget that then its nothing more then a journal. But of course it's more then a journal. It's interpretation of Gods intent for His children.
@kevinwells7080
@kevinwells7080 4 жыл бұрын
Joel Breinholt the multiple translations trope doesn’t have the implications which you think it does. since i have access to many translations of the original languages, I can compare them and more knowledgeably determine what the original passage meant. Similarly, bc we have thousands of copies of the original manuscripts (esp. for the new testament) we can cross-check these and can arrive at a very high level of assurance that our original language volumes are accurate. In any case, even skeptical scholars like Dr. Bart Ehrman affirm that no essential doctrine is put in danger by a translation or transmission (copying) controversy. So multiple, publicly-available translations facilitate, rather than inhibit, an intellectually grounded faith.
@ILikeFreedomYo
@ILikeFreedomYo 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinwells7080 you didn't even use the word trope in it's classic definition. Why would I believe that your study of Hebrew or Greek is on point?
@ILikeFreedomYo
@ILikeFreedomYo 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinwells7080 anyways there is plenty of doctrine that is called into question by my simple reading of the bible. Things like God hardening Pharaohs heart. How exactly do you propose God went about removing agency of a man in favor of sinful behavior? Did God sin?
@kevinwells7080
@kevinwells7080 4 жыл бұрын
Joel Breinholt colloquial definition. I have no expertise in original languages.
@kevinwells7080
@kevinwells7080 4 жыл бұрын
Joel Breinholt This is not a doctrinal issue, since many Christians are determinists. But there are acceptable views re. that passage which don’t have God violating libertarian free will. for that matter, LFW only requires that free agents have significant moral freedom, not unlimited freedom in every circumstance. but again, LFW is a philosophical rather than a doctrinal conviction. thanks for your reply. I hope you and yours are well.
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 3 жыл бұрын
Psalms83:18KJV"18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Note please that there is but one named JEHOVAH. Note also that this one is the MOST HIGH. Thus if ones God is associated with multiple co'equals (e.g the Trinitarian Jesus). He is not the Lord JEHOVAH.
@verindictus3639
@verindictus3639 Жыл бұрын
God is three in one. This concept is nearly incomprehensible to finite beings like us, but our inability to fully understand it does not make it less true. The God of Abraham claimed the name "Jehovah", or "Yahweh" for Himself in Exodus 3:14, when He told Moses "I am that I am". The Hebrew word translated as "Yahweh" sounds like and is derived from the Hebrew word for "I am". God the father of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is said to be a different person from Jesus the Son, yet Jesus ALSO claims the name "Yahweh" for Himself. In John 8:58, Jesus tells the Pharisees, "Before Abraham was born, I am!" Why didn't He say, "I was"? That would have made more sense, grammatically speaking. Because He wasn't merely claiming to be around before Abraham, He was claiming to be God, claiming to be "I am": "Yahweh". The Jews hearing this recognized this, shown in their reaction by picking up stones to kill Him. So Jesus also claims the name "Yahweh". But He does NOT deny the Godhood of the Father, Who first claims the name "Yahweh" in the Bible. Nor does He deny that God is One. So Who is Yahweh? Both. Both are part of the Triune God, the God Who is One in three Persons, often described as three Persons in one Being.. The Trinitarian Jesus is NOT "associated with multiple coequals". The Trinitarian Jesus is ONE, but three in one. And as such, He is God.