how Richard Feynman would integrate 1/(1+x^2)^2

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Жыл бұрын

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We can use trig substitution (letting x=tanθ ) to do a typical calculus 2 integral, the integral of 1/(1+x^2)^2. However, we will use Feynman's technique of integration (aka Leibniz's integral rule, aka differentiation under the integral sign) to come up with a very nice integral formula.
Here's the integral of 1/(1+x^2) by using complex numbers 👉 • integral of 1/(x^2+1) ...
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@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos Жыл бұрын
He has another famous technique (at least for people who calculate Feynman diagrams) called using Feynman parameters. It’s a way of re-casting an integral you’re solving into a form with temporarily more integrals that make the original integral easier to evaluate. Of course this is only helpful if the remaining Feynman parameter integrals can be solved analytically or are at least less expensive to solve numerically (it’s usually the latter). Not sure if you’ve ever made a video on it, but in the same spirit of Feynman integration tricks!
@maalikserebryakov
@maalikserebryakov Жыл бұрын
Dude you’re still interested in symbolic calculus?
@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos Жыл бұрын
@@maalikserebryakov never know when it’ll help with an integral I’m trying to solve for research 🤷🏻‍♂️
@alozin5339
@alozin5339 Жыл бұрын
yo whens the next upload
@nicolasmendoza6183
@nicolasmendoza6183 Жыл бұрын
@@maalikserebryakov buddy, you're watching the wrong channel if you're not interested!
@abrarazad1571
@abrarazad1571 6 ай бұрын
You also watch him????
@plainbreadmike
@plainbreadmike Жыл бұрын
Can't get enough of these integrals with Feynman's technique videos, they're just so satisfying!
@SydneyWeidman
@SydneyWeidman Жыл бұрын
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@aurelio3532
@aurelio3532 Жыл бұрын
yes!!! keep making more please!!!!
@hfgfgnnfgng5562
@hfgfgnnfgng5562 Жыл бұрын
Fr ...
@gagadaddy8713
@gagadaddy8713 Жыл бұрын
This kind of Integration trick is really OUT OF THE BOX, only from the brain of those genius ..... not the ordinary maths student 😆
@epikherolol8189
@epikherolol8189 7 ай бұрын
Usually that's the case but we use these techniques after their inventions to carry on their legacy. That's how new discoveries are made​@@gagadaddy8713
@flowingafterglow629
@flowingafterglow629 Жыл бұрын
That answer is really slick, because if you look at it, the first term just looks like the integral of 1/u^2, where u = 1+x^2 and then the second term is just some version of the integral of 1/(1+x^2) Random factors of 2, I agree, but the form is pretty cool
@ceromat2022
@ceromat2022 Жыл бұрын
This is another approach: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msh-m9WjvLvPm5c.html
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын
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@user-hq7hi2sl2o
@user-hq7hi2sl2o Жыл бұрын
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@davidalexander4505
@davidalexander4505 Жыл бұрын
For definite integrals, I now see that there is actually no differentiating under an integral sign (requiring something like dominated convergence theorem) it's actually much prettier, we can write it as follows: d/dx (1/a arctan(x/a)) = 1/(a^2+x^2) Hence, d/da d/dx (1/a arctan(x/a)) = d/da 1/(a^2+x^2). By commutativity of partial derivatives, d/dx d/da (1/a arctan(x/a)) = d/da 1/(a^2+x^2). Thus, an anti derivative for d/da (1/a arctan(x/a)) is d/da 1/(a^2+x^2). (then work out these partial derivatives)
@adamlopez2339
@adamlopez2339 Жыл бұрын
wow, what a nice way to solve this integral. Thank you for the video
@MathNerd1729
@MathNerd1729 Жыл бұрын
I recall seeing you do this in October 2018. Still a very neat video! :)
@jellowz3556
@jellowz3556 Жыл бұрын
Thank po sir! I hope you will also teach this topic "definition of exp z for imaginary z" under the linear equations with constant coefficient
@haaansolo8568
@haaansolo8568 Жыл бұрын
I learned about Feynman's trick when it came up in Howard and Sheldon's fight on tbbt, and have been stunned by it ever since.
@SahajOp
@SahajOp Жыл бұрын
What is that
@a_beats5529
@a_beats5529 Жыл бұрын
@@SahajOp tbbt is the big bang theory, a famous american sitcom
@6612770
@6612770 Жыл бұрын
What is the episode name?
@Francesco-bf8cb
@Francesco-bf8cb Жыл бұрын
I've tried a differents (but much longer) method You know when you differentiate f/g you get (f'g-g'f)/g², so know it becomes a differential equation
@neutron417
@neutron417 Жыл бұрын
Didn't thought bout that amazing technique!
@NarutoSSj6
@NarutoSSj6 Жыл бұрын
Rip Chen Leu. Although maybe never uttered by name again, you have a special place in all our hearts.
@dr.rahulgupta7573
@dr.rahulgupta7573 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation 👌
@jirisykora9926
@jirisykora9926 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if anyone wrote it before but if you plug in -1 for a it's going to be the same as for a=1 because of the nature of the formula, where a^3 and tan^-1 cancel the negative sign of each other.
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
7:20
@chanduudarapu7906
@chanduudarapu7906 11 ай бұрын
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@rjc3343
@rjc3343 Жыл бұрын
Bro, you're so talented, I have my undergrad as a mech E and still come to your page for fun! Please don't stop the videos lol
@maalikserebryakov
@maalikserebryakov Жыл бұрын
How’s mechanical engineering treating you 8 months later? Symbolic calculus isn’t going to help you as an engineer you know. I bet you’re thinking of dropping out.
@jmz_50
@jmz_50 10 ай бұрын
How are you currently doing? Just curious, good luck btw
@rjc3343
@rjc3343 10 ай бұрын
Man that's a very toxic outlook on math and its integration (no pun intended) into engineering. I use the skills taught in diffEQ almost daily. And yeah, it was the best decision of my life to leave active duty in the military and pursue that degree. I have a solid job that keeps me entertained daily. And yeah, I'm not a quitter, hence already having the undergrad when I wrote this originally, but thanks for your concern. @@maalikserebryakov
@rjc3343
@rjc3343 10 ай бұрын
I'm good, love the degree. Work with a lot of EE and Physicists that treat me and my ideas with a lot of respect. @@jmz_50
@lumina_
@lumina_ 8 ай бұрын
​@@maalikserebryakov why are you being so negative? You seem like a miserable person to be around
@vishalmishra3046
@vishalmishra3046 Жыл бұрын
This video has an innovative new method of solving such integrals. Here is the old boring way for the same - set x = tanT which changes the problem to INT { cos^2 T = (1+cos2T)/2 } dT = T/2 + sin2T/4 = T/2 + 2tanT / 4sec^2 T = [ arctan x + x / (1+x^2) ] / 2
@AyushGupta-cj3sy
@AyushGupta-cj3sy Жыл бұрын
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@subramanyakarthik5843
@subramanyakarthik5843 Жыл бұрын
@@AyushGupta-cj3sy This Equation says about feyman technique
@AyushGupta-cj3sy
@AyushGupta-cj3sy Жыл бұрын
@@subramanyakarthik5843 buddy i mean to says indian 🇮🇳could easily solve these
@AyushGupta-cj3sy
@AyushGupta-cj3sy Жыл бұрын
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@subramanyakarthik5843
@subramanyakarthik5843 Жыл бұрын
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@joykukreja4270
@joykukreja4270 Жыл бұрын
Cool method. I did it by putting x = tan theta in 5 steps.
@maciejkubera1536
@maciejkubera1536 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual! On 0:49 You forgot to square the constant c ;) ;) ;) ;)
@PapiCiencias
@PapiCiencias 6 ай бұрын
i love you man, you are very carismatic even not trying it
@DavyCDiamondback
@DavyCDiamondback Жыл бұрын
So does it wind up not mattering that the value of c, for any constant boundary conditions, is variable with respect to changing the value of a???
@SlipperyTeeth
@SlipperyTeeth Жыл бұрын
"Why do we add the +C at the end?" It depends on what you consider integration to be. Normally we just think of integration as the opposite of differentiation. But then, what is differentiation? If you think of differentiation as a function from functions to functions, then integration should be its inverse function. But there isn't in general a left inverse for differentiation, because it's not one-to-one - and there are multiple right inverses. So you might consider "integration" to be the entire set/class of right inverses of differentiation - such that whenever you compose "integration"/differentiation, you pull back this abstract layer of set/class and compose them with every instance of an integration function. So differentiation after "integration" is just the set/class of differentiation after right inverses of differentiation - which all collapse to the identity. And there's the added bonus that with just a little more information (such as a single point on the curve) you'll be able to choose one of those integration functions to "act" as a left inverse for a specific input - so the whole set/class of integration functions can act as a left/right inverse for differentiation. For single variable calculus, that's about all you need to consider, and this is a perfectly fine way to define the integration notation. For multivariable calculus, there's a new wrinkle. You can have a function that's constant in one variable, but not another (Let f(x,y) = y, then d/dx (f(x,y)) = 0). So if you integrate a function in the variable x, then you pick up a constant in the variable x. And then if you differentiate that by the variable a, it doesn't always become 0, because "constant in the variable x" doesn't imply "constant in the variable a". Sure, some functions are constant in both x and a, but not all. So if we compose differentiation with "integration", some of those compositions will collapse the constant, but not all. We didn't add +C at the end, it never should have been removed.
@123christiansong
@123christiansong Жыл бұрын
Great 👌 video , much helpful!
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@XKhanBTC
@XKhanBTC Жыл бұрын
This video made my day🔥
@MahfuzRaian
@MahfuzRaian Жыл бұрын
What is the rule of differentiating the integrand inside the integral?
@pirnessa
@pirnessa Жыл бұрын
One mistake: C is a constant in terms of x not in a. Hence, the partial derivative d/da C is not zero in general, it is just another constant in terms of x (which you added back in the end). Nice video! (PLEASE SEE EDITS BELLOW BEFORE YOU COMMENT) Edit: C may depend on parameter a however it wants. Thereby, C can be any function of parameter/variable a, and so, it might not be differentiable with respect to a. So in the end, the best way is just to find one antiderivative of ∫1/(a^2+x^2)^2dx. Then when we set a=1, we now know one antiderivative of ∫1/(1+x^2)^2dx. But we know that all the other antiderivatives of ∫1/(1+x^2)^2dx are obtained by adding a real constant to the antiderivative we already know, since g'(x)=0 for all real x if and only if g is a constant function. This is basically what @blackpenredpen did, but the reasoning that C is a constant with respect to a is not right although it is irrelevant mistake for the main point of the video. Edit 2: First of all my claim is that ∫1/(a^2+x^2)dx=(1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) where C:R->R is any function and R is the set of real numbers. If you think that I'm wrong and that ∫1/(a^2+x^2)dx=(1/a)arctan(x/a)+c, only when c is just any real number, i.e. constant with respect to both a and x. Then your claim against my claim is that if C:R->R is not a constant function, then (1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) is not an antiderivative of 1/(a^2+x^2) with respect to x. To help you, I will go through what you are trying to prove and why it is not true. So you need to take a function C:R->R which is not constant, for example you can think C(a)=a. Then you need to prove that (1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) is not an antiderivative of 1/(a^2+x^2) with respect to x. But you know the definition of antiderivative for multi variable functions, so you know that by the definition you need to prove that the partial derivative d/dx ( (1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) ) is not equal to 1/(a^2+x^2). But we know the following partial derivatives: d/dx (1/a)arctan(x/a)=1/(a^2+x^2) and d/dx C(a) = 0. So by the linearity of partial derivative you have d/dx ( (1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) )=1/(a^2+x^2). Thus, your claim is wrong and we have ended up proving that (1/a)arctan(x/a)+C(a) is an antiderivative of 1/(a^2+x^2) with respect to x if C:R->R is any function. In the comments you can find also different reasonings and how other people realized this. If you still disagree, please read the 50+ other comments in detail, read my arguments, read others arguments, read why in the end they realized that C can be a function of a. Our comments are not the best source so I also recommend studying or recalling multivariable calculus and before that one variable calculus. Even better is to go to talk people in some university's math department. If after this you still feel that I'm wrong, then G I M M E A V A L I D P R O O F of the direction you are claiming and cite to my previous comments and show where I went wrong so the conversation is easier and faster.
@tobechukwublessed4274
@tobechukwublessed4274 Жыл бұрын
A constant is a constant, independent of any variable... That's what I think. So it's pretty much staright, no mistake
@pirnessa
@pirnessa Жыл бұрын
​@@tobechukwublessed4274 Yes you are correct, but here C is only a constant in terms of x. So first we were just in the "x-world" where C is just a constant. But when we introduce the parameter aka new real variable a we are not anymore in the "x-world", we are in the "xa-world" where C could depend on a while it does not depend on x. It might sound nit picking but this is really important in multivariable calculus. One real variable: Here when we talk about integration in one variable we mean antiderivative aka inverse derivative aka indefinite integral, i.e. that if F'(x)=f(x), then ∫ f(x)dx=F(x)+C, where C is just a constant aka a real number. So the antiderivative ∫ f(x)dx gives the set of all functions F whose derivative is f. Two real variables: In this video to do the Feynman's trick our function depends on two variables, namely x and a. We want to have the same property as in one variable, that is, ∫f(x,a)dx gives the set of all functions F whose partial derivative with respect to x is f. Thereby, if d/dx F(x,a)=f(x,a), then ∫f(x,a)dx=F(x,a)+C(a), where C is now a real function, which could be a constant. Suppose that we allow C to be only a constant, this is a valid definition but not very useful which I try to clarify by the next example. Let F(x,a)=x+a. Then d/dx F(x,a)=1, and so, ∫d/dx F(x,a)dx = ∫1dx=x+C. If we don't allow C to be a function of a we don't have the nice antiderivative property mentioned above, i.e. F(x,a) do not belong to the set of functions obtained from the antiderivative ∫d/dx F(x,a)dx. More practical example why we want that the antiderivative property is satisfied is that we want to have working tool to solve partial differential equations. Also @Phoenix Fire has really nice comment also in this comment section which clarifies this thing. Hopefully this clarifies.
@tobechukwublessed4274
@tobechukwublessed4274 Жыл бұрын
@@pirnessa it's a cool observation, it really reminds me of solving ODE's by method of Exact equations where some constant may pertain to some variable after integration. But... If you examine carefully what he did, he differntiated both sides partially with respect to a... Now in partial differentiation, the only thing that is permitted to stand is the variable which we are differentiating with respect to, all other variables and/or constants will be assumed as constants for the time being, and what happens when we differntiate constants?... They vanish!
@tobechukwublessed4274
@tobechukwublessed4274 Жыл бұрын
But When we integrate partially, a constant function of the other variables apart from the one we integrate with respect to comes in place.... For instance.... integrate an f'(x,y,z) partially with respect to x will yield f(x,y,z) + h(y) + g(z) where h(y) and g(z) is any function of y and z respectively, be it a constant function or any other type.... But when we differntiate partially, all constants what so ever must vanish. That's my point...
@tobechukwublessed4274
@tobechukwublessed4274 Жыл бұрын
Finally, he was integrating, yes, but he differentiated while integrating, that's the beauty of that method. It's stainless
@frencyii5370
@frencyii5370 2 ай бұрын
You can also solve it by substituting x=tan(u), it allows u to simplify until coming to intregral(cos^2(x)), which is easily solvable with some goniometric formulas.
@dictetord12
@dictetord12 2 ай бұрын
Correct
@helloworld2024-h8i
@helloworld2024-h8i 2 ай бұрын
Did the Same thing :)
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
Any time I see a sum or difference of squares, I immediately reach for trig sub (assuming an inverse-chain rule "u-sub" wouldn't work).
@juhakivekas2175
@juhakivekas2175 Жыл бұрын
Man, that was beautiful!
@nowhereman000
@nowhereman000 6 ай бұрын
If Bro can make an entire playlist on feynman's technique : I one over zero percent sure I will watch it completly.
@aurelio3532
@aurelio3532 Жыл бұрын
absolutely fantastic
@orenfivel6247
@orenfivel6247 Жыл бұрын
i thought U gonna do IBP w/ DI method😁. By the way 4:57 the constant C, it does not depend on x, but might be depend on a (Like in an Exact ODE solving procedure). Thus technically, when differentiate WRT a, we should have C'(a) which is another constant that des not depend on x, and eventually U will rename the last integral constant as C or c or whatvever u wanna 😁
@BetaKeja
@BetaKeja Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had to pause at 7:04 when he added the C back. Nope, C should not have been removed. It is constant w.r.t. x not a.
@epikherolol8189
@epikherolol8189 7 ай бұрын
​@@BetaKejaC is technically the arbitrary constant of integration which is just a variable number. But it is a number after all and thus differentiation of any number with respect to anything is 0
@8bitenginedayo
@8bitenginedayo Жыл бұрын
Bruh this was literally a question in my homework today
@Shivam-ee2pd
@Shivam-ee2pd Жыл бұрын
How do you integrate 1/(x^a+a^x)?
@MochaE44449
@MochaE44449 6 ай бұрын
I have no idea what any of this is, but it’s fun to watch
@zhelyo_physics
@zhelyo_physics Жыл бұрын
Love this!
@fj2147
@fj2147 Жыл бұрын
can you make a video of limit integration?
@illumexhisoka6181
@illumexhisoka6181 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant First time seeing this trick
@nada88882
@nada88882 Жыл бұрын
Yo can you make a video on how to get better at math? Ive been struggling for so long
@s.m.m99203
@s.m.m99203 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@dodokgp
@dodokgp Жыл бұрын
Nice! The caption of the video could have been "Integrating a function without integration"
@giuseppemalaguti435
@giuseppemalaguti435 Жыл бұрын
Metodo interessante,bravo!!!
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@harshbansal7524
@harshbansal7524 Жыл бұрын
sir please of this: integral of sqrt(x^3+1) w.r.t dx
@vietdungle1237
@vietdungle1237 Жыл бұрын
What a nice idea to integreat the seemingly impossible func
@prottaydebnath48
@prottaydebnath48 Жыл бұрын
explain modulus function intrgals plz
@ritikraj26_
@ritikraj26_ Жыл бұрын
Wow. Why did I never think of this?!?
@nishantmiglani1952
@nishantmiglani1952 7 ай бұрын
wait what about when a = i, you get the integral of a real function as a complex function ??
@dorol6375
@dorol6375 Жыл бұрын
What do sin(cos(sin(cos(sin(cos..(x) and cos(sin(cos(sin(cos..(x) converge to?
@ivanegorov3425
@ivanegorov3425 Жыл бұрын
一个小小的建议,您可以在视频的演算完成后留一两秒左右方便截图,视频很棒,感谢您的付出!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын
好, 謝謝! btw, 這部也有中文版的 (自己幫自己打廣告 哈哈) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qc5ll7Riv97KhI0.html
@pashaw8380
@pashaw8380 Жыл бұрын
​@@blackpenredpen You need to take a read at the above comments made by @Sakari Pirnes . Some of those here are professional grad students who have gone through real analysis and functional analysis. In your video you made a mistake by considering C as a normal constant treated the same as that in single variable calculus. But the C here is not an ordinary C; it is a function of 'a' not necessarily zero after being differentiated with respect to the parameter 'a'.
@gregotieno5457
@gregotieno5457 Жыл бұрын
wow my math guy🔥👊💪
@onbushshifting4000
@onbushshifting4000 Ай бұрын
So what happens when u have mutiple parameters?
@jhondoe1618
@jhondoe1618 Жыл бұрын
No hay duda de que Feynman era un genio. Gran video, saludos desde Santa Marta, Colombia
@markproulx1472
@markproulx1472 Жыл бұрын
That’s wild!
@saravanan3833
@saravanan3833 Жыл бұрын
Can't we solve using partial fraction
@aniketde357
@aniketde357 7 ай бұрын
what if i took x=tantheta? wont it be shorter
@arpanmukherjee4625
@arpanmukherjee4625 6 ай бұрын
I came here after Howard mentioned about it in TBBT to an answer to Sheldon's question.
@ikbalhossain80307
@ikbalhossain80307 Жыл бұрын
thanks bro💖🌺
@adityasharma5692
@adityasharma5692 5 ай бұрын
Can we do this by x=tantheta and then diffrentiatte that functin w.r.t to x then putting the value of dx through this and then final it become (cos)²theta dtheta ??? Can we do this
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
You can do whatever you want. There are at least three different ways to evaluate this integral. But that's not the point. The purpose of the video is to show Feynman's technique in action. It was never claimed that you must do it that way, only that it works.
@think_logically_
@think_logically_ Жыл бұрын
Is it legitimate to use Feyman's trick with indefinite integrals? An indefinite integral ∫ 1/(a²+x²) dx is in fact 1/a arctan(x/a) + C(a), where C(a) is not just a constant, but any function depending on 'a', but not on 'x'. Then the derivative d/da has an additional term C'(a) which is impossible to find ! In this case it's a mere coincidence that result is correct (if it really is). Take another example F(a)= ∫(x^a) dx =x^(a+1)/(a+1)+C(a). If you ignore C'(a), differentiate F'(a)=∫(x^a) ln(x) dx = x^a - x^(a+1)/(a+1)², then let a=0, you get ∫lnx dx = 1-x, while the correct answer is ∫ lnx dx = xlnx - x + C. BTW, I don't believe Feyman himself ever used his trick with indefinite integrals, so the title of the video looks misleading to me. 😊
@cwater9795
@cwater9795 Жыл бұрын
Can you use same technique to integrate 1/(x^2+x+1)^2 ?
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
I don't see why not. You can complete the square to put denominator in the same form as (a²+u²)²
@hugo_PaNK
@hugo_PaNK Жыл бұрын
Qué genio eres, y Feynman también.
@tapankumardas3292
@tapankumardas3292 Жыл бұрын
man of action.
@NurHadi-qf9kl
@NurHadi-qf9kl Жыл бұрын
Itu jenis intgral pecah rasionak. Maka dimisalkan 1/(1+x^2)= {(Ax+B)/(1+x^2)}+{(Cx+D)/(1+x^2)^2} Dari asumsi tsb, konstanta2 ABCA dapat ditemukan 1=(Ax+B)(1+x^2)+(Cx+D) 1=Ax+B+Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D 1=(B+D)+(A+C)x+Bx^2+Ax^3 Yg berarti A=B=0; D=1; C=0 Int menjadi
@shone7064
@shone7064 Жыл бұрын
It's so reminiscent of eigenvalue equations
@PREMSINGH-bu2kf
@PREMSINGH-bu2kf 6 ай бұрын
Why can't we use partial fraction method ??
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
You may use whatever method you want. That's not the point. This video is demonstrating how to get the correct result using Feynman's method. You can get the same result using trig sub or partial fractions, or ...
@djh9502
@djh9502 Жыл бұрын
Sir more good problems 👍👍
@gheffz
@gheffz Жыл бұрын
I think it pretty good... and as you end with, cool!
@whilewecan
@whilewecan 4 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@rustam1776
@rustam1776 Жыл бұрын
can you teach natural logarithms from start to finish...
@good.citizen
@good.citizen Жыл бұрын
👍 thank you
@shivanshmehra3365
@shivanshmehra3365 Жыл бұрын
damn my teacher took a similar example in class and this gave me more clarity on the concept :D
@veerdabas5578
@veerdabas5578 Жыл бұрын
You could just solve it by substitution taking x= tanθ and dx = sec^2θ now in the denominator (1+tan^2θ) = sec^4θ now in the end we get cos^2θ and using cos 2θ formula we get θ/2 +cos2θ/4 now by subst. in the end we get tan-1x/2 + 0.5((x^2)/(1+x^2)) simplest method i could have thought about .Takes about 2 minutes to solve .
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
You're missing the point. Yes, you can do that to verify the result, but the point of the demonstration was not to evaluate the integral, but rather to show how Feynman's technique can be used. It's like using trig sub to evaluate int(x/(1+x²))dx. Of course, you don't need to use trig sub, just do u=1+x², but that's not the point. It is to demonstrate how trig sub works using an integrand that is easily handled some other way to check the result.
@mplaw77
@mplaw77 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@chivoronco4853
@chivoronco4853 11 ай бұрын
The constant C may not dissapear by taking partial wrt a since it may depends on a. With this he dont need to add C at the end 8:52
@user-jv6yh3we3y
@user-jv6yh3we3y 9 ай бұрын
This is what I really wondered about.. Could you explain why it shouldn’t disappear?
@user-jv6yh3we3y
@user-jv6yh3we3y 9 ай бұрын
I didn’t understand why there should be constant at the end. I thought that the fact that lhs is an indefinite integral doesn’t fully substantiates the suddenly appeared arbitrary constant, but the constant must be there anyway.. So there must be some reason the constant remains there, and I think your explanation help me understand it much better
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
In this case, +C is +C(a) for a=1, since a=1 was the condition given at the beginning.
@kokainum
@kokainum Ай бұрын
How about the integral of 1/((1+x^2)(1+x^y)) over (0,inf)? I've heard it doesn't depend on y and it's always pi over 4, but idk how to prove it. I guess it's using Feyman's trick.
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
If you are integrating wrt x, then y is treated as a constant.
@manjumanl5279
@manjumanl5279 Жыл бұрын
Just one question here ; Who gaves you the right to deffereciate partially ????? please explain !
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын
Leibniz
@manjumanl5279
@manjumanl5279 Жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Hhhhh , simple ,hhhhhh
@infernape716
@infernape716 Жыл бұрын
That's so cool
@Ashish-li5yw
@Ashish-li5yw Жыл бұрын
How do one make sure that the end result is obtained from what specific standard result. I mean had there been a cube ... The how to proceed ?
@oraz.
@oraz. Жыл бұрын
This seems easier then trig substitution
@samsara2024
@samsara2024 Жыл бұрын
What is this itegral used for?
@sanyamalhotra6834
@sanyamalhotra6834 Жыл бұрын
damn why dont they teach these bangers at school, this is so coool
@abhishekchoudhary4689
@abhishekchoudhary4689 Жыл бұрын
Just substitute x=tan theta you will get theta/2 + sin2theta / 4 where tantheta =x
@Zuhair_Sadman_Mahir
@Zuhair_Sadman_Mahir Жыл бұрын
Good
@Zuhair_Sadman_Mahir
@Zuhair_Sadman_Mahir Жыл бұрын
Best !!! Thanks
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv Ай бұрын
The purpose of this video is not to evaluate the integral. You're missing the point. Yes, you can do that to verify the result, but the point of the demonstration was not to evaluate the integral, but rather to show how Feynman's technique can be used. It's like using trig sub to evaluate int(x/(1+x²))dx. Of course, you don't need to use trig sub, just do u=1+x², but that's not the point. It is to demonstrate how trig sub works using an integrand that is easily handled some other way to check the result.
@markobavdek9450
@markobavdek9450 Жыл бұрын
Magician of parameters
@VijayMishra-uz5dc
@VijayMishra-uz5dc Жыл бұрын
Integrate 1/(x²+a)^n+1 from 0 to infinity . Can you integrate it
@matthieupaty5032
@matthieupaty5032 Жыл бұрын
That was awesome. How would we find c here?
@lawrenceyeoh4084
@lawrenceyeoh4084 Жыл бұрын
When the integral have bounds.
@rithvikmuthyalapati9754
@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Жыл бұрын
If they give an initial condition like f(1)=2 or more commonly f(0)=some number
@filipsperl
@filipsperl 10 ай бұрын
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 is partially correct. The answer in this video is only coincidentally right, since there should be a dc/da at the end, which we don't know, but it's 0 when a=1. You would need a definite integral to properly use this method, and that gives you a number, no c needed there.
@necro5379
@necro5379 Жыл бұрын
Can be done IBP.
@bottom-up1981
@bottom-up1981 Жыл бұрын
物理里这种操作真的多,代数求和或者积分结构加偏导,真的是很漂亮的做法
@pashaw8380
@pashaw8380 Жыл бұрын
然而他在影片裏展示了錯誤的訊息,他將C看成了一個普通的常數,但C并不是一個普通的常數而是一個C(a)的實變函數,他在影片裏把它看作了C(x)因此直接偏導得零,這是一個數學裏很大的錯誤(即使他很幸運地得到了正確的結果),他思考的不夠嚴謹,沒有往多變數微積分的方向去思考。如果他瞭解汎函分析和實變函數論,他就不會犯這個錯誤。倘若你用已知 ∫ 1/√(a² + x²) dx = ln ∣x+√(a² + x²)∣ + C 的訊息去用他上述的方式解 ∫ 1/∛(a² + x²) dx 你就會知道我的意思了,不會得到正確的答案。費曼的方法其實就是萊布尼兹的積分法則,但萊布尼兹法是建立在有界的積分上,并且要遵守收斂定理,不可隨意亂用因爲那是有局限性的。這裏的作者拿它來解不定積分就是一個錯誤的做法了。這個如果不去做深入的講解會誤人子弟的。數學是一個非常嚴謹的學科,不能有漏洞的。
@bottom-up1981
@bottom-up1981 Жыл бұрын
@@pashaw8380 多谢老哥指点,我并非数学和物理出身,做的也是一些无关紧要的脏活,很多东西确实不太了解。
@bottom-up1981
@bottom-up1981 Жыл бұрын
@@pashaw8380 对于泛函,我就在分析力学,qm以及工程数学中有浅薄的了解,推导和证明是很快乐的事情,但更多拿来算。
@undango
@undango Жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t the last bit just be equal to tan ^-1(x) + c when a = 1?
@badabaco
@badabaco Жыл бұрын
half of that but why do you ask?
Жыл бұрын
Integral is power to square 2 below, remember that
@i3moryy797
@i3moryy797 Жыл бұрын
yo please if i want to ask a question can i ask you and how to ask thanks
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t Жыл бұрын
Feynman is here! ... Cool I love Feynman (he's my favorite scientist ever).
@kevinz8215
@kevinz8215 Жыл бұрын
why cant the a=-1?
@markr2609
@markr2609 Жыл бұрын
At first, I thought that's a DOTA T-shirt :D
@joluju2375
@joluju2375 Жыл бұрын
What is the key idea behind this technique, I mean how could one think of doing this, and hope it could work ? It looks like if instead of playing with x, we're playing with the 1. It is as if instead of taking the direct route, we find it easier to take a detour. I would like to understand the reasoning, at least in broad terms.
@gcewing
@gcewing Жыл бұрын
How to think of things like this: Step 1: Be Richard Feynman. Step 2: Think really hard. Step 3: Write down the answer.
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 Жыл бұрын
The hint is that Feynman was a physicist not a mathematician
@maalikserebryakov
@maalikserebryakov Жыл бұрын
@@trueriver1950 feynman didn’t even invent this technique, he just learned it from a book titled “Advanced Calculus” by Woods. So you can remove his ballsack from your mouth now.
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 Жыл бұрын
@Maalik Serebryakov is true that RF did not invent this technique, despite it now being commonly named after him. However, unless you can tell me differently, Woods never got a Nobel prize in either Maths or Physics. Feynman did, for his ground breaking work on QED. He also invented a method of summing a set of path integrals where there are several different paths to consider -- the Feynman diagram (which is more than a pretty picture, as each component of the diagram can be calculated using separate integrals). Are we expected to change the name we use for RSA asymmetric cyphers now we know that British mathematicians beat those three Americans to that technique? I don't think so. My guess is that this technique we now often referred to as Feynman's technique became associated with the Feynman diagram because it is often needed when calculating the separate integrals. Whether my guess is right or not, Feynman did not claim the idea of differentiating under the integral as being original to himself, the name got put on the technique by others. Wood's technique (if you want to insist on calling it that) is also probably inspired by perturbation theory, which is used in both classical and quantum mechanics: certainly Wood's work (or that of previous mathematicians) makes perturbation theory rigorous, which it wasn't at the time physicists started using it. If you read his description of Babylonian vs Greek mathematics, or watch the video of the address where he describes that, you will see the point of my comment: what a mathematician wants from maths is different on a philosophical level from what a mathematician needs, and a lot of Feynman's work is not rigorous as would be required in a mathematics course. And I don't feel it's appropriate to be gratuitously offensive in a non family-friendly way to make the point that this technique has became known after the person who popularised it. If you have ever referred to Pythagoras's theorem then the same comment could be made of your interaction with Pythagoras the theorem having been previously invented by both the Babylonians and the Chinese; and Pythagoras would certainly have known of the work of the Babylonian mathematicians. Theorems and methods become associated with the people who made them famous, not always the same as the people who originated the idea. Get over it, and don't be an offensive troll. And for his work on QED and his later work on QCD I do happen to think, as a physicist, that he was the greatest physicist of the 20th century. (Yes I rate him above Einstein). That does not mean I would go to bed with him, not even if he were still alive (which sadly he's not).
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 Жыл бұрын
@@maalikserebryakov PS the technique was not invented by Woods either -- it's sometimes named after Leibniz who clearly know it. I don't know if Leibniz invented it either.
@prakashgupta8342
@prakashgupta8342 Жыл бұрын
Integration of 1/(1+x⁴) please
@armanavagyan1876
@armanavagyan1876 Жыл бұрын
Please more often new videos)
@marcogelsomini7655
@marcogelsomini7655 Жыл бұрын
Feynman was a crazyyyy dude
@glorymanheretosleep
@glorymanheretosleep Жыл бұрын
Very complex, was this the right answer?
@muradmuradov4522
@muradmuradov4522 Жыл бұрын
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