Imagine stacking that boost with something like Concentrate or a full round of Baton Passes. Couldn’t be me against Maruki-

What about masquerade critical rate?

@@syarifzaki1878 Masquerade does seem to have a higher Crit chance, maybe similar to Sword Dance

@@bainz I guess that's true then but mostly since bosses cannot be critted so it cannot be seen much but does the damage increases despite not critted on bosses?

@@syarifzaki1878 No it won't do more on bosses if it doesn't crit

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I mean sadly, it's still a bit the case -especially for Sumire- considering how late you get them. Like Sumire's move is strong and all, but I feel like you get so much more out of Ann/Ryuji + Ingenious Spirit on the field. At the end of the day, you'll kinda use Sumire just for story purpose. Akechi is something else tho.

IceTM DAbss I feel like if you want someone who can do multi hit damage without a luck factor an and also have a single hit purpose move , I feel like Kasumi is a good choice but once you get the ultimate move. Ann and Ryuji are just the best

@@icetmdabss3501 I feel like Ann and ryuij are good but they will take the role of the third party member where sumire take the second party member slot. So a normal team would have a healer and a DPS so you should pick the best healer (Makoto) and the best DPS (sumire). if you don't understand why she is the best at DPS it's because she without a crit hits higher then ryuji or ann (assuming you're using the will seed on anyone or vegetables for charge) because off her stats and physical does More Damage . The only person close is yusuke but 40% to %60 of the time you deal more damage and have a extra turn for Joker (being insanely broken at this point) plus she's has more survivable because her naturally high Evade and her passive. Ryuji is the most offensive of the 3rd character choice but people generally prefer another support so they run haru instead but he still a good pick. If you want to be fully optimal he's actually the best healer in the game give him salvation through an accessory as well as spell master through jazz. he is very Tanki so he won't die meaning he can pretty much always get the heels off and allows massive damage for your DPS because of his passive and signature move. because of this you're probably running gun haru so you get full value of the party charge. Ann is extremely good for most of the game (so basically up to Palace 7 or 8) with access to sleep and attack down she pretty much a must have but she starts falling off when more enemies start to nullify / absorb her attacks or don't die in one hit because she's incredibly squishy and has no survivability. She's a good 3th party member if you're running a magic team but you kind of can just give somebody the will seed to give concentrate or just vegetables to Joker and run a much more optimal team

@@scopez7203 Scopez 720 , Sumire has a crazy offensive presence yes, but she's meh overall to me. The thing with her is that her crazy good offense is top notch physically, but she's just good at that. As for the highest DPS, to me, Joker is the main damage dealer. He can do pretty much anything in the game, except giving a crazy support like Haru, Ann or Ryuji, which is the reason why I see more value in them than in Sumire (even though Ann hits extremely hard too with her Fire moves....). And also, I don't believe there's any bad team composition really. For example for my personal team composition, I go with Haru, Ryuji/Ann, Makoto/Akechi : -Haru has the best support, and one of the best traits. I give her Salvation Crown. Life Wall + Salvation + her natural affinity to deal with Ailments thanks to the combination of Fast Heal and Cool Customer makes her incredibly valuable and just the best support overall. -Ryuji/Ann mostly for Constant Focus. I don't like Ryuji's Agneyastra because of lack of reliability so I like to give him the Gigantomachia Item or Elec Amp to synergize well with Ann's High Energy if they're both on the field. And Fighting Spirit is just insane as support when you have Joker + Haru, Akechi, or whoever else dealing Phys damage really. Speaking of Ann and her great support, she also hits extremely hard, and most of times, it hits harder than Sumire for me with Blazing Hell + Fire Boost-Amp. And if I have the choice, I'd personally always have her over Sumire because if Sumire faces a physical Res/Null/Rpl/Dr, you're screwed and the only thing that she could bring to the table is Brave Step+Veil of Midnight/Sunrise which is irrelevant in comparison of High-energy imo. And yeah the beautiful thing about these two and why to me they're extremely valuable, is because they make the usage of Ring of Greed/Pride irrelevant because of how good their skills are. So you basically can equip high-end item like Orichalcum R, etc. -Makoto/Akechi. Makoto is incredible in this game. She's one of the best, has always been, and will always be. Checkmate is good, but it's not as valuable as Ryuji's and Ann's imo just because regarding the fights you're gonna have, you're very often better with Debilitate which in most cases does the same thing for three times less SP. But she's just like Haru in a sense where her only presence is valuable thanks to Gaia Blessing that synergizes incredibly well with her natural Nuke Affinity which takes advantage of every Physical Ailment for Technicals. Akechi is also incredible just with the combination of Ingenious Spirit which is in my eyes probably the best Trait of the Party just because it's the one that activates the most out of all the team members traits, and because it synergizes extremely well with his Debilitate+Rebellion Blade. And he can hit extremely hard if needed even if it won't do as much raw damage as Sumire or someone else more specialized like Haru with Gun Boost-Amp, etc. Overall, yeah, to me, there's no best team composition per say, and Sumire isn't bad by any means, but clearly not a mandatory team member regardless of her raw damage potential, at least in my eyes. But every player has a different playstyle I guess, and this game allows you to fully use yours. Her Veil of Midnight/Sunrise seems amazing to grab momentum from an enemy and prevent him from capitalizing on Weakness hunting and dealing 1 Mores. The thing is that it's still kinda situational because before Veil of Sunrise (2/2 then), it doesn't activate as often as we wish to most of times. BTW, you might as well know that Evasion stat doesn't matter at all on Sumire because she has Ali Dance that doesn't check the user's nore the foe's Ag stat. The only case is when she's equipped with Evade Curse, but even then from my most recent tests, Evade Passives don't do much more than Ali Dance in terms of avoiding hits, but tests are still going on my end to bring up an ultimate conclusion. PS : I respect the way you build your team nevertheless.

@@icetmdabss3501 thank you for responding I like to test my belief and see why something might be better. I personally feel no party member is actually bad everyone's good and of course depending on your situation some people are going to be better then other people. Like if the enemy nullifies your main attack or can hit your weakness of course the characters going to be bad in that fight. so there is no best characters Since everyone has flaws I generally don't see the argument for ann. One of your points was that the enemy can Null physical and if it null physical you basically can't do anything which applies to ann and most of the cast as well. granted sumire is the characters that makes it feel the worst but if you have her equipped with a will seed she can still do fine if not swap. If the enemy resisted not null you're very likely to swap out ann because she pretty very frail and will most likely die granted she can party concentrate but you kinda have to build your team around her to use that skill efficiently. if you just want to give concentrate to Joker anyone else can do it with an accessory or vegetables where with sumire you can still go for the crit which basically doubles Jokers DPS if you land it I don't know about you but I like rolling 50/50 to do double the damage by giving him another turn on Joker. though it's very small you can take into account stuff like freeze which will remove that resistance to physical and technical or physical damage technical shock. where there's nothing there for fire to technical off besides the basics asleep and dizzy granted she does generate burn but that's probably the weakest status effect because it only technicals with wind and nuke where most things technical with 3. sure ann can do more damage but Jokers DPS is so strong that you want everyone to support him and most people already Run 2 supports which means that you really don't have a purpose for a third one but sumire can kind of be a DPS and a support with a crits which is something no one else can cover. Personally I actually like running orichalcum over something like the will seed for both of them because I can just make haru Makoto or anyone really to give her charge. And just for sumire with her ultimate gun and the sword from the lock chess it's nice having an extra put 36 defence when that's her weakest stat. (6+ then +7 to all then + 5 to defence make 18 extra defence on paper but the game is bugged and doubles stats on equipment if you don't believe me try it with yusuke's agility gun) I personally feel that akechi is the worst party member in the game mainly because if you actually don't need to use stuff like high energy or life wall most of the time you really only use it's against the final boss or the New Game Plus boss or the Reaper but I don't think any fight can last long enough for you to get full value out of SP reduction and SP isn't really that much of a problem if you can get outside battle to access your infinite coffees or currys at this point. if sp is a worried you can get spell master accessory or from Jazz. And at this point you will probably have around 6 to 7 Soma and there's no way you're going to burn through that much sp. His main draw is debilitate in my opinion but the problem is that there's five different methods of getting it: jazz Joker items Makoto signature skill an accessory. everything else of his kit with the exception of rebellious blade on a downed enemy. other people just do everything better I like your haru but you'll see that I preferred the ryuji version and i have her be a little bit more offensive only because of ryuji's passive giving an 80% damage increase and save sp debilitates or live wall. My thing about the evasions and stuff was just basically simplifying that. Maybe it's been different for you because it's rng but to me sumire passive activates more than akechi's I've done the lavenza fight like 6 time and about 70% of the time the passive product. Makoto is good probably the best character all around in the game but in this late game scenario if you do build something like your haru or my ryuji I feel like you replace her for haru or ryuji which naturally leaves you wanting a physical team because of ryuji passive and unique skills in which case sumire feels like a natural fit. Granted this is assuming you using gun haru you could swing the other way with psy haru and instead of ryuji have ann but in my opinion there's no good 3th choice

Same

And rebellion blade looks like Loki’s sword, Hereward doesn’t have one.

Fr tho. Loki is a really cool looking persona tbh. Would've loved to use him myself

Me too

Perosnally, I think Loki's persona design could have done without all of the black and white stripes. It makes it hard to look at. That's why I prefer Hereward.

Cosmic Hell.

yo i didn't even notice

I mean you can just see the team's hp in the bottom right corner of it

If someone robbed me while moving that smoothly I wouldn’t even be mad

Except for the music.

A boss rush mode using clear data sounds like fun. Even more opportunities to fight with Sumi and Darkechi.

1v1s would be super cool, then Ren and Akechi could finally have their duel.

Imagine if the thieves den saved your party data from their most powerful point across all your playthroughs and allowed you to use them for a boss rush mode, featuring buffed bosses so all of them are endgame-levels of strong. So, like, if you maxed out ryuji using the jazz club in one run, but then did the same for morgana in a separate run, you’d have access to a maxed out ryuji and a maxed out morgana in the thieves den

@@nategwright I mean they get their dual in his confidant

@@galewinds8212 Technically Aketchi is holding back.

Akechi, I can understand, but Sumi should at least join in Mementos for training, if not to fight Shido.

@@mystery8820 Shido would kill Sumi. Sumi was still half awakened at the time. She could defeat random shadows with ease but someone like Shido would absolutely murder her.

milnao All the other PTs (Crow and Oracle excluded) fought the Palace Rulers of their arcs at the same month they awakened their Personas. Sumi had hers for 3 months (well, she awakened but didn’t train her Persona for months). But yes, you’re right. Shido would utterly destroy Sumi. Doc’s actualization was starting to become a real hindrance in that moment.

@@moomer2675 not if joker says something

Who says we don't use it? I always use it and myriad truth to defeat maruki it's the best attack ever for Pancake!

I mean yeah you can chain a BP for it and all, and it naturally hits incredibly hard, but still frustrating to be that restricted with this move.

It's still a good move having the second highest base damage of any Party member move (highest if Downs conditioners is met) but things like elemental amps/boost on Party members or masquerade just do more damage if the condition is not met

Oh absolutely, with Azathoth constantly regenerating the Tentacles with all of their weaknesses it becomes to set Akechi up with the final Baton Pass so that he can hit like a brick

Scopez 720 idk I don’t think Ann’s blazing he’ll will do more damage but I’m not sure

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damn. i learned something new today, i didnt think you could get to the final semester without saying I want to keep our promise.

Dumbass.

The only thing required for 3rd semester is maxing maruki

Exactly! Wish Rebellion Blade was available for Lavenza and the Reaper

@@bainz The reaper wouldn't stand a chance But Lavenza is the real challenge

Isn't it possible to have Ella avaliable for Lavenza and Reaper?

@@GaeaRage0798 Nope, same day as Maruki showing up

@@LawzarXR And yet when you beat the reaper you get 100k XP and lavenza only gives you 50k even tho she's the toughest fight in the game, makes no sense lol

It's probably the other way around because you have to fulfill the condition for it to hit harder which at that point you might as well just use mythical truth or any of Jokers attack with amps and boost.

In fact, you are right, but in a way it doesn't matter so much, because 99% of the time you use your enemies' weaknesses, if you are strong enough to kill with melee attacks or with the attack melee itself. 'of the characters is another story, but both Rebellion Blade and Masquerade are unlocked' 'basically' 'in the final boss, right? so it's fine whatever...

@@scopez7203 Myriad Truths*

I was here to ask if you can relearn in NG+ from the confessional... guess not ☹

@@jennamicieli2931 Yeah, it's only the skills learned through the Jazz Club that carry on in NG+.

Exactly. And only if you aim true ending to get more time

I just hacked it and she was in my party all the time

FOR REAL?? I'm seriously asking

@@killer19183 I'm normally not for hacking, but given how you only get Akechi for 2 dungeons and Sumire for 1, I'm willing to make an exception. Even more so since we can't put their Third Personas to any real use outside of the final boss fights.

Makes sense or they have to rewrite alot of scenes and has the stated in why you cant play as a female protagonist is money and time is the mane obstruction so sumire is unfortunately limited to when shes a party member

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I just put the free DLC item on him that makes him nullify bless

I just finished sumis confidant and straight up didn't have a problem

Atk up + Concentrate + Def down on Fafnir + Rage (halves defense) + Baton Pass + Downed enemy (+50%) + Rebellion Blade downed bonus (~50%) = big damage

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Like p4 floors

Stephanie McArthur that’s more like Tartarus lol

Rebellion Blade did 1097 on avg here vs P3 protag. Masquerade did 1490. If everything else is equal, opponent is downed (1.5), and Ryuji's trait activated, Masquerade would do 4023 (1490 * 1.5 * 1.8). Rebellion Blade in that scenario would 2468 (1097 * 1.5 * 1.5). So Masquerade would be about 60% stronger.

@Aria Khalaji writing the story in a way that makes playable characters unavaliable for most of the game is the mistake.

Yeah, and Morgana’s issue was just that you couldn’t see his cool new persona that long, evade electric and wind immunity aren’t that important.

you should've already had his confidant maxed out before 11/24, if that's what you're wondering, since his last few ranks still end around sae's arc/shido's arc for plot reasons.

I think it has to do with keeping the promise with him.

a very late reply, but masquerade is stronger than both of those moves

Thank you!

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The power of a 840 power move and 2.5x multiplier on knock down (for example megidoloan hits for 210 base power)

Only if she didn’t have a hidden resistance to Almighty skills it would

No, rebellion blade can’t crit, and if you don’t crit lavenza at least once during her crit phase you die, also some of her phases have damage caps, and nothing would stop her from killing akechi if he can’t take those hits. Also that reasoning doesn’t stop izanagi-no-okami

How would you get spell master and arms master on akechi and sumire?

@@mikelavin32 They can learn them at the Jazz Jinn like any other party member. Arms Master is available in the evening on 1/22 and Spell Master 1/29. Edit: I also think the high-tier accessory rewards for beating the Level 99 variants of Full Moon and Foggy Day do grant the perks too.

Yeah, but have you considered 47 sp high energy?

You're supposed to do triple baton pass to Akechi, and have him pound Maruki with zero cost pass boosted rebellion blade. That's why there's three arms and they have so many weaknesses.

@@Robert-nh4dt or you can just do that with anyone, and if that’s true, why’d they give maruki himself immunity to being downed. Baton passing into Ann for high energy is probably better anyway.

@@samkeiser9776 The downed bonus is just for flavor, I think. It's a colossal damage almighty attack, and most likely has the highest base power of any non-hassou-tobi or DLC move. And it's better to pop the high energy and THEN do the baton passes so they're all boosted to heck.

Also, how does Rebellion Blade compare to Morning Star/Black Viper ?

@@Tibochapoadibelet Rebellion Blade is Colloasel Almighty, while Morningstar/Black Viper is only Severe Almighty

It's Almighty, so Magic. Black Viper/Morning Star are only about 6-10% stronger than Megidolaon, Rebellion Blade is 2x stronger. The only Almighty move that's close is Myriad Truths (2.2x stronger than Megidolaon).

@@bainz my bad, it's just the (mediocre) translation in my language made it look like it was a physical attack costing SP

It's pretty much on par with God's Hand. So ~20% less than Masquerade

@@bainz Stronger than God’s Hand, but Brave Blade also exists and is stronger than God’s Hand too. Especially on Yusuke if you give him Charge from Jazz Club on 9/4.

Rebellion *Blade* His persona has a bow. It's an almighty attack.

I think it's a sword because herward was summoning loki's sword from the hammer space.

@@enid22ful it doesn't matter the devs were on drugs when making akechi, bow = sword according to them devs xD

@@lynzr_ Hes not using his bow for that move tho? Lol.

@@lynzr_ Think of it this way. Hereward is basically just Robin Hood but cooler and more upgraded. In the Velvet Room, you can use Gallows to sacrifice personas and give them power and they also inherit a skill from the sacrificed persona. Maybe it works similar to that. Loki was used as a sacrifice/fusion material to strengthen Robin Hood and as he transformed into Hereward, he inherited the sword of Loki.

There is a God's Hand Accessory, you get it from Abbadon Electric Chair during an Alarm

As someone else said, God's Hand is from an accessory. And you can enter the Velvet Room on the Day of Fates to do Challenge Battles.

god asked before anyone says it

HP is easier to replenish than SP, and having good buffs, debuffs, and healing makes keeping said HP up not too problematic after attacking (aside from chaining Critical/Technical attacks without using Baton Pass). Besides, Crow's upgraded trait has a chance of reducing Almighty skill costs, IIRC.

Clearly not the same role in a team. Yes, Ann and Ryuji are S+ Tier members, no doubt. High Energy and Fighting Spirit are amazing. But in that case, Akechi is S Tier at worst. And even without Spell Master, the fact that the rank 4 in BP chain cancels SP/HP cost is already huge, leave aside Ingenious Spirit -which is easily TOP1-3 best team member traits- that activates the most often AND halves Almighty attacks cost.

pretty stupid reason considering you'd be baton passing all day on Maruki and thus nulling the sp and hp cost. Only people I needed to refill sp on was Ann cause of High energy lmao

@@spec7923 and even then, with Akechi on the field and potentially Spell Master, Ann won't even have some SP problems lol. I mean of course 3rd awakening skills are expensive, but they're obtainable on the last part of the game for a reason. At this point, you lose count of items + consumables that are here for SP recovery, whether it is Curry, Carrots, Tomatoes, etc. I don't understand what people expect from these moves honestly. It's just some High Cost High Rewards move, it has a price lol.

I got Akechi Spell master in the jazz club and got Sumire arms master

Did they change his skills in p5r? Cause ryuji was garbage in the plain game

@@misterturkturkle He wasn't, he was one of the best in my opinion.

@@pmar1833 to me all he had was lightning coverage. Against neutral weakness foes his magic is the worst. Hes moderately strong with physicial, but if that was what i wanted id have taken Yusuke instead. For the end and all challenges my party was Morgana, Haru, Makoto. Harus got better coverages (psy > lightning, + she gets that strong high crit gun skill) Makoto has good team support and backup healing and Morgana cause if you dont, joker has to be healer and thats not cool.

@@misterturkturkle dude, that shows how bad you are at the game. Ryuji was and is by far the best party member in 5/Royal.

@@misterturkturkle what?? Ryuji was by far one of the best party members in vanilla lmao. Charge+God's Hand just shreds. Yusuke doesn't even compare to Ryuji's damage output. Although in P5R the jazz club helps even it out a bit since Yusuke can get charge. But then Ryuji can eventually get a mass party charge so ultimately Ryuji still outclasses Yusuke. And yes Ryuji's Ma was shitty but you were never meant to use it offensively. It was more for the purposes of inducing shock or to get BPs/1 Mores/All Out Attacks. All the more so in P5R where technical damage is actually hella relevant now

Numbers First to give you comparisons Megidoloan 210 power Eigoan/Kougoan 190 power (note all other Heavy spells are 160) severe singles 200 power Severe aoes 180 power Rebellion Blade 840 power (2.5x if downed so 2100 power)

It actually does make sense story wise but to implent him gameplay wise they should have given him ability to use both loki and robin hood, make robin hood magic and bless while making loki physical and curse

Akechi’s kit doesn’t suck. Although tbh sumire’s crit potential is a bit laughable because fafnirs are immune to physical.

Masquerade is basically Vorpal Blade but 2x. The extra crit shouldn't matter because regular shadows will die pretty quickly and Maruki cannot be hit with a critical. On the case of Lavenza, Im pretty sure Brave Step will be able to help you out.

Masquerade does seem to have a high crit chance like Sword Dance

Sorry late response but Masquerade hits for 300 power two times and a 20% crit (40% due to apt pupil) and Swords dance hits for 360 base power and a 40% crit (60% because of the crit cap and apt pupil) And because i wanna put it out there there isnt a reason to use swords dance and apt pupil if you can use brave blade and apt pupil as it hits for 600 and has a 35% crit chance (60% with apt pupil) because the game caps a 60% crit chance

I said Rebellion Blade is the best besides Myriad Truths...

Seems so...

funnily enough, when modded in, Sinful Shell does 1 damage

Yeah, because he's hacking the game xd He has some videos were Sumire has "rays of control" which is a skill only Yaldabaoth has.

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@@devilhunter1383 I think he was probably joking about how the character isn't really Kasumi, but I see were your hate comes from and can't really judge you

How about: Let people have their opinions and don't try to lord yours over them. The english dub for the game is amazing, you're just a prick.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbhyYMx5rK63oZ8.html Please bro.

@@Who-ru6hj I see you are a man of culture

@@JR384 i said in my opinion, i'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone lol... you need to chill the fuck out before you start insulting me just cause i dont like the english dub

@@Who-ru6hj ok so im not allowed to say what i think in a youtube comment section that serves that exact purpose... i just stated my opinion dont know why so much butthurt