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Well yes it has been like that from the very start of the series the power levels are there to show how powerful an opponent is and since Goku and Vegeta has learned a technique where they no longer need the power level eye thingy they can just sense an opponent power levels on the spot.

Q4: as you acknowledged in your video, Koyama writes the movies with the intention of them following/being in-line with the Anime. Toriyama also flat out says that they’re based on his original work: “In most cases with the movies, the script writers used their marvelous techniques to write up an original story, based on my original work. The original work develops in such a way that it makes it difficult to come up with side-stories, so I think they really did a good job.” Toriyama stating he views them to take place in a different dimension isn’t a ticket to try and weirdly scale them differently. And with Coola, given Koyama’s statements we can safely assume the Daizenshuu is wrong about its placement. The Z Fighters were still dealing with Dr. Gero in the Anime and First Form Cell was just introduced in the Manga. Not to mention Gohan’s design and lack of Super Saiyan (including the lack of any Super Saiyan Grade above Grade 1). They should just both be Multi-Solar System Level, and 13 dwarfs Meta-Coola through in-universe scaling and Koyama’s statement (which can be applied when not talking Broli).

Thats a pretty cool theory

That would explain how he was able a girl like Vomi

​@@user-yn3vs3mj4egirls just fall to their knees when you got a RRA trucker hat

Same

lol is he reverse michael jackson?

you know it was a solid hit because it knocked SS off

Tfs

100 % I always looked at this as the unseen timeline

Dang what you said makes perfect sense this my headcanon now of this movie!🤯

Eh, I doubt it personally and I also doubt the writers had that in mind when making this. Especially as it does not say how 17 & 18 are taken down here. More like this is a what if sort of thing.

​@@mercenaryknight5419 Its 100% headcanon and I too think they didnt have that in mind, but its also super cool and definitely makes this movie a lot more interesting(and tragic for this Trunks) so I very much think it *should* be canon

@@mercenaryknight5419the writers also didn’t have the cell games in mind when writing return of cooler (as that movie was made almost a year before the cell games even existed) yet for some reason the daizenshuu thinks return of cooler=10 day gap for the cell games

Im think super 13 would be around~ semiperfect cell but not stronger

Super 13 is Super Vegeta Level, a bit weaker but not weaker like Semi-Perfect

Except for Gohan apparently

Really? I see a juggernaut blue vegeta

Thanks for the heart, Numbers. Looking forward to your next work.

😉

​@@Numbers2133 also quick question are you going to do a video on all movie characters? I would really like to see one on Turles , slug and Janemba.

@@Sonicmid Yes. I'm doing a Movie Villain scaling marathon. So the real question is: Who's Next? look forward to them.

Universal at Universal in base

Thank you for the support. I'll make my answer short and simple since I ramble too much. (lol) 1. I'm aware of the singluar and plural. That is why I direct his comments towards the daizenshuu, since even the guidebook concedes that trying to connect the movies not just to the anime but to each other in general also doesn't make sense. The guide also states that Movie 8 has no Cell games, implying Cell is dead, with movie 7 also leading to speculation of the fate of the androids of Goku is shopping. Easter eggs don't count since it's literally an easter egg like in fusion reborn. Hence why it's mostly loose connections and speculation. That's why I made the whole Godzilla, Darth Vader continuity comparison. 2. Koyama's tweet specifically states that the hatchiyack story was a game-original story and not meant to correlate to the movie continuity and fit in its own game continuity. This would only further support my point that the films don't need to connect at all just so films like Super #13 can happen. That Koyama Tweet is in my Cooler video that I already went over and would apply to my #13 video as well. I just didn't need to restate what was already said in a prior video. Plus, Since there are the game version, the ova version, and the Remake OVA, with several minor differences, it once again supports the whole multiversal different continuity claims I'm presenting. 3. Since there are no guides that make such claims, then there is no evidence to support that stance. IF that were the case, then great, I would have no problem debunking myself. That being said, as I already said for point 1, they are easter eggs, just like how a random Dragon Quest Character can cameo in DBZ, any popular character like Mickey Mouse could cameo in DBZ, doesn't mean there has to be a deeper connection. 4. Dragon Ball has long established the concept of multiverse theory. The existence of future trunks and his timelines, Super in General with Zamasu and the time Rings, The existence of GT, Heroes in general which is indeed canon to the Brand of Dragon ball, all the videos games that many acknowledge the infinite multiverse, it's not inconsistent or a contradiction that each film could occur in their own reality. Just like how Marvel or DC comics do with movies, games, comics, tv shows, and so on. 5. yup. you pretty much answered your question. hence why Power scaling doesn't work. You don't scale Goku to Star wars since they are not in the same show, just like how you don't scale GT Goku to evolution Goku. 6. Koyama is sorta biased toward Broly but sad to say, his lore and feats are beyond stupid even when you ignore koyama XD. Just wait for my Broly Scaling Video, you'll realize why I've been hyping him up since my cooler video. He's gonna be the Magnum Opus to this entire Scaling Villain marathon I'm doing. 7. It would likely correlate to the Main continuity only since in the manga, #13 is a failed experiment and scrapped. Since we don't know if #16 exists in Movie 7, we wouldn't know if #13 would be given that title if at all other than being the "ultimate android" within Tenkaichi 2 as a bonus fun fact. 8. I'm aware of the promo. Thats the thing tho. It's just a promo. Plus, IF we were to take it into account that it connects the films together, the problem is that is also connects the original Classic Dragon Ball Movies. With the 3rd completely rewrites the backstory of Goku's training with Korin, mercenary Tao, Chiaotzu being a king, the original dragon ball search not being Pilaf as the main villain in the first film, The first interaction with Launch within Sleeping Devil Princess Castle, and So on. Once again, it would go against all of anime and manga scaling, so at that point, we would have no frame of reference as to how strong Garlic Jr is, Wheelo, kami, The Saiyans, Frieza, and so on, other than assuming events happen even tho early dragon ball era proves that events would likely be different. Ultimately justifying my arguments that it's perfectly fine for each event to be in their own self-contained universe within the multiverse of Dragon ball. I hope I answered your questions to the best of my ability. I normally don't respond but I'm glad this time, I simply wanted to be informative as possible since at the end of the day, I want to show how it CAN make sense even if it does go against what we initially wanted to believe in. You decide what you like to believe, I'm just another fan who simply loves talking about Dragon Ball but I'm grateful for your thoughts on the matter. Hopefully, I'll be able to bring these up as I go through the rest of the remaining movie villains.

@@Numbers2133 YO! Thanks dude. All I wanted to here were your thoughts and you gave them. Didn't think you'd be a rambler too. And the Tenkaichi 2 reference was such a nostalgic call back! Anyways, thanks. Waiting hyped for Jamemba and mostly Broly

And hatchiyack is connected because in that movie Goku says he is as strong as Broly maybe stronger

Get help

@@Thatguyrc2dj nope, I dying

@@MB15046 alright 👍

Right. I edited that to the qna comment I pinned. it can simply mean he has access to infinite ki and stamina since power is often associated to the android's ki. The same thing was mentioned to Meta-Cooler and yet we see how they androids can still lose in the show like Trunks vs the future androids or Semi-Cell Vs #18 and stuff. But like what I also said at the end of the video, who am I to tell you what to think. I 100% agree he has infinite power. It would only further prove he would smack Broly in one-hit. Andrew 13 cannot be beaten XD. Thanks for bringing it up since I only discovered that statement after completing the video.

nah those 2 are lames especially seth

yeah. it got copyrighted for 15 seconds of material despite deeming the other full minute as acceptable. don't worry. Re-uploading it and removing the problem, hopefully passing the system.

Using DC feats alone namek frieza>>>dabura,mystic gohan,gotenks and the androids ETC lmao

@@extremelegendsupreme4596 I think you are right. In the Anime(Toei) version, he shows a Galaxy destroying feat which was shown after the Frieza Saga and begining of Cell

Cell form 2

Erase gotten 😂

Cell max was trash, if you want cell again, bring back cell

@@Casual_guy1234 im with you on that notion

@@wesleyneilsen7671 movie idea, perfections return. That's all I got so far

@@Casual_guy1234 i think thats a good title for it

Dang bro you cooked this dude and this man really said a Frieza level threat is only planetary💀

Check again. Toriyama, the creator himself states that he was the one who created all of RRA's weapons as he was one of the founding members. Dr.Flappe was an anime exclusive character who was stated as the creator but was never part of the original manga story. Daizenshuu 7 clarifies that they were collegues and both worked on android 8 and previous artificial humans. Thats also why I inserted that manga panel cover that clearly displays the timeline of each android created under the hands of Dr.gero himself. Hence why i said "technically, android 13 is canon in the original story" so no, I was not using headcanon. Obviously, you can say Toriyama retconned the backstory or lore of Eighter but otherwise, I was using factual sources by the story and creator himself. So don't act like I was intentionally spreading misinformation. If I notice a mistake in my video, I will naturally call out my video errors. If it's a grey-area topic thats meant to be speculated, I'll naturally say "its up to you guys to decide" since I merely lay out what we do know and then move on. Toriyama Interview source: www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-artificial-humans-cell-arc-01/

@@Numbers2133 it’s fine to try to use a technicality as well. Of course we know there are canon androids 13-15 we have no way to be able to say they were the same androids as displayed in the MOVIE timeline. They were all stated to have been defective. To draw any other conclusion would constitute as headcannon as they aren’t confirmed by any visual other than their number. You directly credited Dr gero as a creator of major metallitron when this is never stated. Even using the daizenshuu is faulty as we know the information presented can directly contradict itself. I give daizenshuu 2 and 3 as examples. Daizenshuu 2 states that ultimate Gohan can use the ssj form while in the ultimate state, however daizenshuu 3 DIRECTLY contradicts this saying that he cannot. It was misleading in the sense that it’s not factual or confirmed that gero designed major metallitron. He isn’t even categorized as an android in any of the sources I’ve seen depicting geros creations. Once again toriyama didn’t conceptualize gero until we’ll after the original run of Dragon ball had ended so either were accepting the blanket “retcon” of gero (who is never mentioned in the entirety of dragon ball until Z) creating all of the red ribbons armaments and androids. By that flow of headcannon I would be on the right path in assuming that gero created the modifications for Cyborg Tao Pai Pai, even though this is never stated or explained.

@@wavelordcelliano1746 Yes, I know, i said "TECHNICALLY" because MANGA WISE, android 13 existed. I wasn't trying to imply the EXACT ONE TO ONE SAME android 13 as in the movie. Cuz we literally know nothing about android 13 from the original story. In my video, I brought it up as a little fun fact, not whether there as some other implication about it. I hope you did read that Toriyama Q&A because he clearly states Gero created ALL weapons for RRA. Major Metallitron IS a weapon. I didn't even labeled Major as an android, just that Gero was his creator, nothing more. He is a robot after all so regardless of him being categorized as an android or not is relevant, just that Gero created him. Again, I was simply establishing the overall build up to Android 13's creation and lore. Lastly, just because two sources contradict each other doesn't mean we cannot use either of them. Toriyama has said prior, the daizenshuu would have made his story better if he had them at the time, meaning he does support their usage. Just because one source is valid, doesn't mean every other source is valid by default. Likewise, just cuz one source is wrong, doesn't mean all sources are wrong. That is why its a case by case situation. if the source is wrong, then great, ignore it, move on. if one source doesn't contradict the story, great, its valid. Hence why its called preponderance of evidence. if the vast majority of lore, statements, guides, etc, leans on Gero being the creator of these robots, then there is no contradiction or inconsistency or outlier. So yes, you can simply label it as a retcon since Gero wasn't written until Z era. There is nothing wrong with that. You can say thats bad writing, thats fine, i don't care. But that is its own topic at that point. I'm not arguing about the quality of the lore writing, just stating what the lore even is to setup my main topic of my video. That all my intention for my intro was that Gero was part of RRA, wants revenge against Goku, has knowledge on creating androids, leading to Android 13's creation for the movie.