Tarantino's dialogue always serves a purpose, it's just a different purpose than moving plot. It moves character development.

I love how Tarantino makes seemingly ordinary conversations so interesting

That first part of the video where are you compared Reservoir dogs and Apocalypse now wasn’t a fair comparison, yes the scene in reservoir dogs was laid back because nothing was going on yet. But in Apocalypse now something was going on and that scene was very important to the plot. So it has to be delivered straightforward and to the point, they don’t have time to talk about waitresses. What you should have done is compared the apocalypse now seen to a scene in the middle of reservoir dogs where something is actually happening. Like that scene where the boss is giving directions to everyone. And that scene there isn’t much side talk because they are focused on their mission just like in the scene you showed from Apocalypse now Edit: this was still a very well put together video

Before the dark times. Before the MCU.

Man 70s films have been amazingly remastered through the years, and also I didn't remember Harrison Ford appeared in apocalypse now

People talk about the “last golden age” of film and how the last good pieces of cinema were in the 00s but, just like everything, film will reinvent itself and there will be another golden age… until that dies off and it happens again

Actually the 90's movies were heavily nostalgic about the 70's.

The Reservoir Dogs scene is character development inconsequential to the plot. The Apocalypse Now scene is exposition. If you included the final discussion between Kurtz and Martin Sheen's character before the temple is blown up then you'd be comparing two scene about character development. Doesn't take away the insights you make in the video but the two scenes have completely different purposes.

the dialogue style u see in reservoir dogs is idealistic. it's about the expression of one's internal world, one's very nature and soul. That's why it works so well in reservoir dogs. It's our first intro to these characters.

The dialogue in Res Doges shows you who the characters are: the dude who rats Buscemi out for not tipping narcs on him bc he's a literal narc, Kietel has a good heart and expresses empathy for the wait staff just like he cares for the narc, and Buscemi is a scumbag and self serving, teased by his attitude towards tipping.

I love the dramas from the 90's more than anything. Perfect time for original stories and the special effects at the time were evolved enough but not so much that it didn't destroy the reality.

I believe you left off a highly important director: Robert Altman, who was alone in incorporating background conversations with main character's.

I'll try to be as polite about this but I do feel you give Tarantino wayyy too much credit for things he didn't invent or even popularize (Godard and Woody Allen already had the casual conversation about "nothing" thing down and Quentin will outright tell you how much he bites from Godard). Or comparing two completely different scenes and movies with Apocalypse Now and Reservoir Dogs to make a non-existent point. Or the implication somehow that what was popular in the 80s suddenly died out because of Tarantino and 90s indie films when most of the very popular films of the 90s were still high budget action/sci fi flicks. Pulp Fiction being as popular as it was is more of an outlier than a mark of change. And I really do love the independent film scene of the 90s but I wouldn't at all call it last golden age when even now there are a lot of very beautiful stories told. I get from your other video on him that you love Tarantino but please don't let that blind you to all the wonderful contributions other have made before or since him.

Keep up the dope videos bro loving them❤️

One can argue can be made that Alex Cox’s Repo Man started the ironic, pop culture laced dialog long before QT.

BEST YEAR OF CINEMA: 1994, Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction and Shawshank redemption all were nominated

Excellent and enjoyable analysis. One thing I don’t hear acknowledged too often, though it’s true only really at a glance, is that the 90’s were a time of relaxation, optimism and relative peace, between the end of the Cold War and 9/11. We’ve pretty much only had rising tensions since then and I think the cinema of the 90’s is quite the contrasting mood, though a movie like ‘Natural Born Killers’, from 1994, does anticipate a pessimistic then-future.

Pretty much after the year 2000 up to now, most of cinema and tv has been a carbon copy or recycle of what was already overly milked and sentenced to be over in the 90s (with few exceptions). Everything appears to have been invented already, so Hollywood's only alternative is to keep applyng new color and varnish to old painted masterpices till they get ruined or even sadder. They break them into little pieces attempting to get something great and new as the original. Filmmakers deep down know this, and have to go back to the roots.

Have no idea how this video was made with NO mention of Danny Boyle/Trainspotting especially from what sounds like a fellow Brit??? Shocking! To me personally 90's films are the high point of pre cgi film making. The technical side was absolutely perfected and so many 90's films look stunning on Blu Ray or 4k, Seven years in Tibet for example. There is a crispness and realness that seems to have been lost with the rubbery cgi that we have nowadays.

You'll notice that nearly all people who make this point only bring up the most massively popular and surface level films, acting as if Tarantino and all the other 90s directors were the first to make this change. No, they were just the first to make this popular. Cassavetes, Paul Schrader, Robert Bresson, and Terrence Malick were all doing this decades before, and they laid the foundation for the independent film boom of the 90s. But the argument that the 90s changed cinema is ridiculous, because we aren't seeing mainstream film do any more or less of this style than they were before the 90s; the movies that are majorly popular now, are extremely similar to the films that were majorly popular in the 80s, action movies with an iconic protagonist (Rambo, terminator, robocop, escape from new york, etc) have been replaced by superhero movies, and nearly everything else is identical. Independent films, since the early seventies, have been nearly constantly releasing, and progressing, and are only getting better as time passes.

Every year of the 90s had great movies

The Big Lebowski is my Favorite movie of all Time. Followed by Fight Club and Terminator 2.

This was kind of inspired by the french new wave of the 60s, you could watch a Jean-Luc Godard film where they'd have random conversations that did not push the narrative, like a shoehorned everyday common man take on what was going on in Vietnam with some random person at a bar, but this was done to tap into the zeitgeist, what was happening, provide different views and general social commentary through characters whilst still engaging in a story. This style of dialogue didn't advance the story but it did provide some kind of timely social commentary which reflected the directors or writers views on certain topics being expressed through characters, or as seen in that Tarantino "tipping" scene. It can also be used to explore different views on societal issues/culture. In that situation, it was the normalized cultural hegemony of tipping.

Here's the thing, when done well, the "conversational dialogue" that doesn't move the plot forward still serves 1 of 2 purposes dialogue should serve in a scrip. In Tarantino's case, that dinner conversation DOES NOT move the plot forward BUT it DOES set up the characters. Now, Mr. Orange doesn't say much but you do get a sense of two of the other main characters. Mr. Pink is self-preserving and selfish presented in a pragmatic manner. Mr. White, though he is a criminal seems to have a code of ethics as a person that extends beyond those specific to place as a thief. He is sympathetic and generally cares about his fellow man or woman in the case of the waitress. So, I disagree with the fact that some directors with successful or acclaimed films completely throughout part of the rule book that says dialogue should server a purpose. These directors figured out a way to maximize their dialogue while still serving 1 of the 2 purpose often which were typically creatively underutilized at the time. :)

"in apocalypse now the dialogue is extremely relevant" "and outlines the journey the main character will go on" i get what your trying to say but the apocalypse now scene is a military briefing, it would feel weird if they were just faffing about.

It really was the last golden age of cinema. Things were different, people are too influenced by social media now, relying on their smartphones for everything in their lives.

The 90's Changed the whole cultural landscape, forever. 90's changed the world, man.

Another example of minimal budget with lots of existential conversations is Naked from Mike Leigh, which although is english it represents perfectly the 90s

Early 80's slashers are my favorite genre. I think they deserve a little credit because they are all about just random conversations between friends, while the presence of the killer becomes more known in the background. Of course, anyone with a modern mindset will just be offended by the whole thing.

I Love your work but please let there be closed captions. English is not my first language and I wanna watch that while I am more chilling after a hard day's work

Another precursor to the 90's film style may be the 70's-80's literary genre of "Dirty Realism" which had very similar elements such as colloquial and seemingly (though not actually) plot-agnostic, "slice-of-life" dialogue.

Spike Lee didn’t get his start in the 90’s he’d made 3 films before the decade started

I still have no idea how apocalypse now looks better than most movies made today.

I was going to lament that you didn't mention The Coen Bros. But then you did mention the Big Lebowski, which has, not only dialogue that doesn't advance the plot, but entire characters like Jesus, and Dude's landlord that don't move the plot.

I truly do believe that we are currently entering another golden age of cinema with the rise in popularity of independent films which are made on a much tighter budget (Knives Out, Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Lighthouse)

"Compare the dialogue here..." And in a British accent!?! Already Subscribed

Theres still clear hope for cinema but its frustraring how much better older films are than what we have now

This just made me think about what Tarantino said about peaks and troughs of what people think of as true cinema. 70s was a peak, 90s-early 2000s was a peak. I think currently we’re in a trough, some great films have come out but overall the standard has been low. Much like the 80s there’s a focus on the ‘big blockbuster’ especially with the MCU. I think going forward through the 2020s or 2030s we will see a return to great films especially with peoples growing boredom with the MCU

Fascinating work -- I just find it ironic you say Woody Allen "slowed us down" in dialogue when compared to other directors of his time. His films where he is not acting are much more palatable -- but whenever he's on screen, it's like he is incapable of letting there be a single moment without pitter-patter dialogue. His incessant droning is insufferable (to me).

Well done m8

What did you mean by "Unfortunately Woody Allen"?

Tim Burton didn't direct The Nightmare Before Christmas fyi.

I spend around 3-400 quid a month on collecting blu rays, 4k discs, critorian , 88 films etc, I rare every movie I have ever seen on IMDb and it's upto a unthinkable 7300 movies. The more i learn the more I see, the more I realize that tarantino has not got an original bone in his body.

don't know if you'll see this - but just an idea, SEO sort of thing. I recently found your channel. When I want to see what else someone has done, I scroll through their recent, and their "popular" (most viewed) to find what else to watch. My eyes shift through the thumbnails, though. Yours really don't describe anything about the topic. Like, one vid I clicked because I thought it was about robert deniro ended up being about scorcesi, which was fine... but not good advertising. As a "new viewer", you have me for a night, and I should be able to find what I'm looking for in the thumbnails, and I shouldn't have to read every video subject title to parse if the thumbnail fits the topic.

Anyone know what movie the scene is from @8:27 ? Just curious

In Reservoir dogs the restaurant scene establishes the characters. If you pay attention the undercover cop rats out the non-tipper.

I'm a spanish speaker, and I really love be able to understan english and this such interesting content unavaliable In my lenguage. Thanks for taking the time of research, write, edit and share this 🙏🏻

Jim Jarmusch was doing this shit way back in the 80's

Well you definitely just explained why I have such a romanticized view of the world. Nobody ever just talks and connects anymore. 😭

hopefully we can get back to this era. i think ppl are starting to grow tired of marvel movies and big budget crap, but then again avatar 2 made a gazillion dollars so maybe im wrong

boogie nights apocalypse now pulp fiction eyes wide shut

The 90s was the best decade for movies. The 2010's were the worst.

The Royale With cheese scene actually provides tons of plot and exposition and sets up the audience for what is to come later. Common misconception for the lazy watcher.

Shakespeare in love had a secret weapon named Harvey weinstein

Dazed and Confused was a good movie, but it’s really just a mashup of “American Graffiti” and “Fast Times at Ridgemont High.”

When Agent Smith explains to Morpheus that the Matrix was chosen to take place in the 90s because it was humanity's high point, I never thought that it could actually be true. Surely the 2000s, or 2010s, etc should and could be better... But looking back to music (especially hiphop), sports (especially basketball), films and western main stream society in general, we have completely souled out (pun intended). Social media has made us willful slaves. We live in a Brave New World where the soma is our own dopamine, the family nucleus is about destroyed and we are flooded beyond recovery in information.

Yeah I would say early 2000s was the last era of great good story telling 💯

“Gone we’re the high octane action flicks” ?!! Seriously? Did you just say that? Have a look at the release schedule again. In the top 20 of each year from 90-99 were at least 3-4 high octane action movies. Do some homework please…

Something told me in my teens that Star Wars was the Trojan Horse 🐴...

The Reservior Dogs' dialogue did have a purpose; to make you (or some jerk who thinks he's woke for not tipping, I guess) identify with these gangsters, who in older cinema would be required to be far more villain-coded. It's a protest against dualistic good/evil narratives. They aren't supposed to be seen good or bad guys, I don't even think they fit in as antiheroes. They're just some random dudes that the gangsters managed to scrap together for their robbery, and establishing that is the point of the scene. The slow-walk following it helps the film transition to the less identifiable bank robber roles that they embody through the rest of the movie. You can really see it, because some of the gangsters look cool, getting you ready, and others look dorky like the scene before it. If it didn't have that 'irrelevant' scene, then the film would open with the robbery, and that'd suggest that they're villains that are eventually going to be stopped. But since it's established that they're "regular dudes", then it's a bit more of a mystery if you should root for them, and if they're going to succeed or not. (till the ending reveals it, of course) I agree on the general point, though. Part of independent film making's boom came from anti-authoritarian attitudes. Anti-dualism is a big part of that. But the problem with mainstreaming anti-authoritarianism, is that doing so makes it no longer counter-cultural. That means more than just it doesn't have the same affect, but it also recasts it's message into as a niche. That makes their natures merely aesthetic, and unfortunately that also banalizes/sterilizes them. Indies breaking into the mold can become big budget corporate funded films not bothering to make a coherent film.

constructive criticism: i felt like you made/outlined the same point several times. I feel like i heard on repeat the 70/80/90s transition statement where they each get a sentence and you use the same examples of directors with Tarantino getting more focus and praise above the rest, and linklater assuming the second best spot. i think in future, if you have a single idea that you really like yk that you don't want to move past you want to sit in that notion and appreciate it more in the video, use editing and graphics to give more time to that sentence without having to fill time with more script, build on it (even better if you include visuals that also communicate this exploration of the statement) go into the caveats, like I think john singleton could've been mentioned in that 90s cohort and their artistic shift - and if he didn't, why? are there socio-economic context surrounding this shift and whos a part of it? or in a different direction, you could look at the screenplays and break down the impact of this dialogue style on the audience and movie around it, I felt like you showed clips of dialogue but never expanded on the example in a meaningful way so that it fed back into what ur trying to explore/share/educate. ur more than welcome to disagree and discard everything I've said; I didn't like this video for the above reason but it seems like you have good concepts for ur vids and i want to see you get better with your writing yk KZfaq is an amazing place for discussion and education n con-crit helps that side of the platform grow and strengthen. thx

suburbia (1996) is an awesome movie

I have mixed feelings about 90s cinema. On the one hand we got something new and fresh that grew out of the indy world, but on the other hand films got too talky. I prefer a film like Apocalypse Now to Reservoir Dogs. Of all of Tarantino's films I think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is his best. It had the most balance between show and tell. The dialogue was very pertinent to the story, which was about Old Hollywood vs New Hollywood; the old ways vs the new ways. The dialogue helped define the characters as much as their action which became very clear at the end.

Hard to pinpoint exact where it ended...but overall there have been fewer and fewer amount of great big picture movies made after about 2015. Movies after this time (give or take) have gradually turned to mediocre to bad to s#it shows of productions. And despite huge budgets, majority are just nothing worth your time & money. It is getting harder & harder to find unique new products. More and more it all looks and sound just the same. Few risk chanses and to much woke BS related issues have ruined a lot of film makers and actors/actresses faces. So much that you will never want to support anything related with them again due to there aggresive woke BS. I know I have near a mental list of these people and many I used to like, but since they started to either lecture all with major hypocracy or politicaly try to shame people or race baiting etc-etc I like many decided it was enough and stop paying any attention or money to there awfull films or galas etc where they smell there own farts of BS.

Speaking in terms of decades is as fraught with contradictions, cliche, and exaggerations as trying to make sweeping statements about generations (e.g. "Millennials are lazy"). You've got some great observations here but over-commit to the decades concept. As a result you downplay the overlaps in careers and artistic movements that were in reality dynamic and inter-related. These filmmakers were watching each other's movies and reacting constantly. Tarantino references early Scorcese in his early films but you can see how later Scorcese films like Gangs of New York and The Departed continued to have influence on Quentin's visual style and cinematic vocabulary. Rather than draw lines between these filmmakers to classify them as belonging to one decade or another, it would be more enlightening to draw out connections between them. How does the visual clarity of the 80s blockbuster show up in the auteur indies of the 90s? The manicured frames of Pulp Fiction or The Big Lebowski seem to owe more to Back to the Future than they do to The French Connection. You referenced the dialogue in The Breakfast Club only to dismiss it as an outlier, when really it was an important influence on the next generation. You could have followed that thread much further, looking into how the comedic framing and editing of John Hughes movies evolved into the comedy style of (among others) Wes Anderson.

Let’s credit writers instead of directors.

No - the 60’s changed Cinema

Did you throw in the Jerry Seinfeld deep fake in the Pulp Fiction scene? I feel gaslit.

1998* oscars

Besides the bad performance, DeLorean had the one of the worst business models ever. They even went through controversy when the owner had a cocaine deal gone wrong.

Old movies had rich color and thick picture quality.Today's standard is to mimic "film look" with a digicam that's why its look cheap

Juwt watched dragged across concrete,brawl in cell block 99,,And Bone tomahawk.Same guy made all 3.Watch now thank me later

Spike lee started in the 80s not 90s otherwise good video.

The 2000s weren’t golden but they were alive for sure LOTR Trilogy TDK No Country for Old Men Kill Bill and Inglorious Basterds Memento and The Prestige Early Marvel (pre ruined) Zodiac There Will be Blood Point is that they weren’t golden, but those are all phenomenal and I’m missing A LOT

I'm convinced that Shakespeare in Love won best picture because Harvey Weinstein wanted it to win best picture. This movie is just awful. The dialogue cannot be compared to the rest of the movies mentioned in this video - even Before Sunrise (which is a movie I really cannot stand but I can see why it's so loved). SiL is so uninspired and boring and not to mention that it gives off these 'bad high school stage production' vibes which are incredibly distracting. It beat out La Vita e Bella, The Thin Red Line and Saving Private Ryan? How????? Sorry for the rant - I'll just never understand how SiL got the praise and admiration of the public or the academy.

The 2000s is the last golden age

unfortunately Woody Allen? please explain yourself mate?

Dwath is an irrelevant conversation? 😅🤣 Okay dude. Good video though but you kinda stepped outta bounds a couple times but Okay. Good video anyway.

Can’t stand pulp fiction the world needs no more violence wether on the screen or on the ground

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Also, you do know indie flicks existed in the 80s right? It wasn’t just Back to The Future, Top Gun, Breakfast Club, Lethal Weapon and The Terminator. Directors like David Lynch, Jim Jarmusch, Jonathan Demme, Gus Van Sant, and Spike Lee (Do the Right Thing came out in 1989, by the way) were having breakout successes.

i think the 2000s mostly early 2000s was the cinemas last golden era

irrelevant dialogue was very pretentious and I'm glad it's mostly gone. 90's independent films were about random characters, doing and saying random things.

Death is irrelevant subject matter?! Really? 😂

the dialogue in Clerks or Slacker is even more irrelevant and superficial

That explains why movies have gotten so boring and unwatchable. Its quite obvious that the filmmakers of the 90s didn't have much life experiences themselves. They just lived and breathed movies and that's the world they knew. When that is all you know, you can't really make interesting movies. Linklater, kevin smith and so on. Atleast in the 90s they were new on the scene and still had to keep the plot interesting and moving along on top of the mundane dialog. Over time their movies have become more and more boring without any apparent plot. Once upon a time in hollywood, every pta film in the last 15 years, yorgos lanthimos who is probably the prime suspect of this nonsense trend. People who make movies today don't have the necessary imagination to make exciting movies. They certainly don't know how to stretch a budget and their $50 million "indie" movies definitely shouldn't be costing that much. Damn, the french new wave cinema was seriously a bad influence on movies. A poster child for a "rebel without a cause".

Then the 2010's changed it again, this time for the worse....

He mispronounces François Truffaut and Jules et Jim. Tant pis.

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L video

Too repetitive

90s did not change cinema!

Now you know why the industry went after and scapegoated Weinstein,it had nothing to do with Wah-man or protecting so-called victims,the whole indy film spirit way of making movies had to be crushed,so that "the amusement park" film industry could officially start,unopposed.

Cada año de los 90s tiene grandes películas. Simplemente la última era dorada de hollywood ❤