How the Experts Photograph the Sun

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How the Experts Photograph the Sun - Next Level! ☀️

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You know what they say - Sun's out, Lunt's out! 💪🏻
I share the secrets of the professionals so you can do exactly what they do, yourself. From your backyard.
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@greatattractor6498 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, Just a small note: for fine-tuning the L-R deconvolution sigma it's best to select a small image fragment (with some fine details) first. Then, if using the GPU mode, the changes as you move the slider will be visible in real time (e.g., you can see when the filaments/wisps are becoming too bloated).

@bobbymckenzie3202 7 ай бұрын

Am I the only one who is just absolutely blown away that we have a STAR this close to our tiny little rock and next to nobody in the entire population is observing it?

@vanlife4256 Жыл бұрын

Our prayers go to your son for rapid recovery!

@reahs4815 Жыл бұрын

what happend?

@craiglowery4427 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Dylan. It's 2024 now and I'm getting into solar imaging until planetary season returns. I learned from your video. My best to your family

@Astronurd Жыл бұрын

“O where art thou Dylan” I hope you are keeping well and that you and your family are all in good health.

@deep_space_dave 2 жыл бұрын

I have to say this was the best solar imaging tutorial I've ever seen! The end result was truly amazing! Still think that CGX isn't big enough 🙃

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks DSD :) I’ve been meaning to do this start to finish tute for a long time but wanted to get good enough to not be totally wrong about it all.

@chattywalrus8485 Жыл бұрын

@@DylanODonnell Hi, Dylan! You know, when you conclude your video with that phrase after you photograph a sunspot like that, it just makes me wanna add: "rather sooner than later". Have you ever seen such a thing before? What's that, like 100 Earths in diameter? Aren't they supposed to be at most several Earths in diameter? Seriously, have you ever seen a sunspot like that? On our Sun, not in some computer model of Betelgeuse.

@chattywalrus8485 Жыл бұрын

@@DylanODonnell So... thought I'd check... and Google says 100 Earth diameters is just about our whole Sun. No wonder I was thinking of Betelgeuse! Well... pfiu... I thought the Sun was about to cross the finish line...! But... exactly how big is that sunspot?

@getawaydance 2 жыл бұрын

Once i was a visual amateur astronomer then i saw a bright, a very bright....oh so bright satellite pass through my vision in the eyepiece. I was blinded. Horrific story! Now i'm astrophotography only.

@DextroussAS 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, temporarily blinded or permanently?

@getawaydance 2 жыл бұрын

@@DextroussAS imagine your dark adapted eyes and someone shines a flashlight into one of your eyes. Oh the horror, the humanity!

@CrazyMan0824 4 ай бұрын

@@getawaydanceyeah but a flashlight does not leave permanent damage, I imagine your blindness was painful and temporary.

@spacestuff8879 Жыл бұрын

Nice job on that sun image Dylan. I just got a glass solar filter for my Meade LX850 14 inch F/8 ACR SCT and I just used it, the solar filter, yesterday morning, for the first time. It was amazing looking at the sun spots and the other surface areas. I wasn't able to see any prominences' because it was a little cloudy and a pretty hazy morning down here in central Florida. Then the clouds really moved in for the day so I shut her down. This was all after I was Moon gazing for a few hours before the Sun came up. So, all in all it was a great session for me. I'm still learning how to use everything because I just got this rig only a few weeks ago. The weather here is horrendous this time of year. It's the rainy season now, but it's coming to an end soon. Come the end of October and the beginning of November starts the best times to be using my telescope here. Anyway, thank you for the video and the tutorial on how you process your images to come up with the final, outstanding image of the sun and it's parts. Great job!!! Sincerely, Rich Williams Astor, Florida 32102

@Astro_Ape 2 жыл бұрын

Hard to believe you're a astrophotographer, I thought only us visual observers were this cool...

@Wolfie6020 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dylan, Can't wait to try some of these tips with my Coronado. All I have done with it so far is prove the Earth isn't flat.

@theinterstellarfeller 2 жыл бұрын

Bravo Dylan! I’ve been eyeing a Lunt 40 but wasn’t sure how much detail I’d be able to get out of it and was worried I’d have to shell out the big bucks for a large double stacked solar scope. Your processing tutorial was so helpful and has sold me on getting a lunt 40! Thanks again!

@NotchesSewing 2 жыл бұрын

Dylan! I love this😊. Had to laugh at your final words……

@aidanoherlihy8441 2 жыл бұрын

Wow amazing end result for a lunt 40! I've the lunt 50 on the way, can't wait to give this a go. I hope to "repair the long disappointment my parents have in me"!! 🤣😂

@RaysAstrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan! I will definitely watch your tutorial when I am ready to image the Sun! One I am scared, two I don't like the risk of messing with Sun! I am more of true night kind of a guy!

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ray!

@InsertAstroNameHere 2 жыл бұрын

Love the info. Love the doggo. Love the music. Love the humor. Solid video. I give it a 1/1 Star.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

⭐️

@douglassmith1215 2 жыл бұрын

With imppg, you should also play with unsharp mask, which I didn't see you do. As a first step, set the Sigma for the Unsharp masking to the same Sigma for the L-C deconvolution (generally 1.5 to 2.5 works for me). Then play with the Amount slider on the Unsharp masking. By the way, make sure the output format for imppg is a file format (and bit depth) that is best for you. I always use 16-bit Tiff.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Great tip, thanks!

@Thunder_Dome45 2 жыл бұрын

I think I'll consciously try that matching the L-C to the unsharp mask thing. I might have done it before by accident though.

@AstroDenny 2 жыл бұрын

Love this! That was a really amazing and to the point tutorial with pretty modest hardware even! Thanks, Dylan.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks DR !

@benseddonharvey2727 2 жыл бұрын

Hay Dylan . you make the world a smiley and knowledgeable place for us astronomers, a heart felt thank you . you should be proud fyi, this is probably only the second utube comment iv been bothered given at age 45.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

You bloody legend Ben. What’s huge honour to be your second KZfaq comment :) I hope the first channel replied too !

@BSm2919 2 жыл бұрын

A sun picture is definitely on my list of things to do! Now if I could somehow just get my work to fork out the cash for new equipment... =)

@astrofotoperu 2 жыл бұрын

Simon's the best! He has given me great tips for solar! Great guy! Dylan, thank you very much for this video! It's exactly how I process my solar images! 😁🤘🏻

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peru!

@Thunder_Dome45 2 жыл бұрын

Solar is one of my favorite objects to photograph but I usually just see me on the computer screen. I've moved to doing the computer work inside after trying towels, boxes, hiding in cars, and stuff like that. My neighbors probably think I'm nuts. I use a 115mm refractor with a Chromosphere quark for solar. It gets up close and personal with the sun, but sometimes I want that full disk view. The problem with the quark is if it's hot outside it drifts off band because of the heat.

@billmurphypenguins3774 2 жыл бұрын

nice job mate, this detail with a transit would be epic

@ttnownow1292 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought this scope so what great timing! Great job Dylan.. and keep the jokes coming... you are a unique entertaining dude.. Thanks

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hah thanks. And perfect timing eh!

@davidleejenkins 2 жыл бұрын

Love it! Well done!

@gomanastro 2 жыл бұрын

LOL by 30 sec with Trump eyes!!!!! then laughing at Simon clips!...he actually has helped me a lot getting started with solar, even so much as to do a computer share to help me over a roadblock. I have the same solar finder, but Simon taught me to actually look down the front end barrel of my scope as i'm pointing it at the sun to get the reflection off the glass centered...you can also do it that way!!! but be careful :) great video.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Legend eh! What a guy.

@veizour 5 ай бұрын

🤣 The "secrets" part really got me 🤣🤣🤣 Hilarious 😂 Great video. Thanks!

@coloradoastro6139 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome work! 😎

@dettie1948 2 жыл бұрын

In AS3 , after analysis, I tend to use "Control click" at the 75% level on the graph to choose the percentage stacked rather than choose an arbitrary number, works for me albeit sometimes generates very low numbers (3 -5%)

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Yeh low % stacks are actually best .. good tip

@bryandraughn9830 9 ай бұрын

Now I have a way to make it cloudy in the daytime.

@martenyar8775 2 жыл бұрын

Daytime Astrophotos, the new oxymoron. Must be odd taking pictures of something in space during the day when you should be drinking. Thanks D.

@MatthewHolevinski 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't of said it better myself.

@evilunclepaul8850 2 ай бұрын

Man, you won me on the intro

@DavesAstrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Dylan, love the final result!

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Dave!

@antipodesastro667 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Dylan. Love the final image 🤩

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers 🍻 Antipodean!

@MatthewHolevinski 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to Simon for that awesome bit.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

What a legend

@Mistr_A 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and most entertaining intro mate thanks for this.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hey cheers Nik 👊🏼

@LogansAstro 2 жыл бұрын

Got a solar telescope but haven't used it yet so this is a very useful tutorial thanks. And the final image looked cool.... I mean hot..... no um coool.... um.... hoool 😊

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe thanks Loges

@guidobel4860 Ай бұрын

Amazing video!

@felipegabriel7292 Жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, i love your humor

@DylanODonnell Жыл бұрын

Thanks Felipe :)

@yukia.8188 Жыл бұрын

Simon's frustration 😂😂😂

@iandrane7661 Жыл бұрын

I live near a city and I'm interested in astrophotography and pretty much everything about space fascinates me. What's the best way to start if I don't want to spend loads of money on equipment? Also how much will living near a city hinder the experience?

@hondaxl250k0 Жыл бұрын

Budget solar viewing and photography…. You need a Mylar solar blanket. Cut 3 squares out bigger than your scope diameter . Now you can rubber band them over your objective or pop off your dew guard and put the squares over the lens while replacing the cover and stretching your Mylar tight. Now you can safely view the sun visual or with your camera on any scope. Cost about 1.25$

@AmatureAstronomer 11 ай бұрын

Rather funny and entertaining. More so than one might expect from an amateur Australian astronomer.

@DylanODonnell 11 ай бұрын

High praise 😆

@jwdeepsky 5 ай бұрын

I need to watch more of your videos

@DylanODonnell 5 ай бұрын

Please do ... my kids won't think I'm cool until I hit 100k.

@jwdeepsky 5 ай бұрын

@@DylanODonnell neither will i!

@DenisineD2 10 ай бұрын

I have the LS50THa and i love it! I might go to is big brother the LS152THa in a year

@DylanODonnell 10 ай бұрын

jealous!

@steppen57 Жыл бұрын

To be or not ... here's the question. Should I get a Lunt 40 and give it a try? You make it look so easy Dylan! Thank you for sharing. Your videos are so entertaining mate!

@edjones3390 Жыл бұрын

It's been a long time since your last post - hope things are OK ? Missing your content, but if you need a break - take as long as you need - we'll be here whenever you're ready!

@BrianH1313 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Dylan. This is a very Illuminating episode.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I see what you did there.

@Steve_The_Ignorant_Astronomer Жыл бұрын

Well bought my Quark at Neaf yesterday , cant wait to use it and your tutorial with others

@PafMedic 2 жыл бұрын

Not To Be Taken Lightly For Sure..I Mean,Thats Your Face,lol,I Love Solar Viewing,And Also Enjoy Finding Stars and Planets In Our Daytime Sky..Thanks Dylan,Have A Great Day,Clear Skies❤️🙏🏻✨🌏🔭

@BSm2919 Жыл бұрын

It's been so long since you posted a video I had to watch this one twice!

@whatmattersmost6725 Жыл бұрын

That Simon so hard to learn from!! LOL Thanks I will use Simons process...I mean Dylans,,

@philkidd Жыл бұрын

Brilliant Dylan!

@MountainFisher Жыл бұрын

Friend of mine bought that 40mm scope and was rather unhappy with it because he said you can't get a sharp focus much past 50x magnification. He tried to sell it to me after telling me this. Well he is an honest man, but I bought the $2300 60mm Lunt that can be used at night too. I want to look at the Sun live in a decent closeup and now I can, I could not with that 40mm.

@Killbayne 2 жыл бұрын

my wallet cries even thinking about solar astrophotography but this is an amazing tutorial, from acquisition to final product. alcoholism approved 👍

@PeteCroft1 2 жыл бұрын

Jeez, something else I have to buy, stop taking pictures of the sun and concentrate on the stars man! 🤩

@Zero_Point_Energy1 Жыл бұрын

Dylan - your subscribers miss you! Hope all is well.

@ruthlessrog1 Жыл бұрын

This was a great intro... love the energy and great info for my next attempt. Subbed

@DylanODonnell Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard friend !

@dennisjames1 2 жыл бұрын

Always great videos and info Dylan, I was thinking of having a crack myself with what I have which is the ZWO ASI294C, what do you think?

@alphamet3258 2 жыл бұрын

8:28 „The sun is a nice bright object“ Yeah no shit Dylan 😂

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Iq 9000%

@ingebygstad9667 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, LOVED the animation when trump's eyes caught fire... Fantastic! :D

@antonypage1442 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to get home from work.

@astrogirlau Жыл бұрын

Lol mate love it!

@johngraham7045 Жыл бұрын

Awesome as always brother! I need to learn combining rgb in gimp. Great video!

@dovber90 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this video Dylan.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks Robert!

@Astronomo_Space Жыл бұрын

Very good sir! Subscribed👍

@DylanODonnell Жыл бұрын

Hey welcome !

@Microtonal_Cats 2 жыл бұрын

0:05 I'd read that warning label as "This is not an electron microscope, don't try to look at viruses with it."

@TeslaARM Жыл бұрын

Nice hat! 😂

@wbehrens62 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for just being you. Quirky full of humor you. ....now where is that dam wad of cash I need for a good solar setup? Seriously thinking about using an Ha filter from an old PST and an ERF reject filter on an Orion 80mm scope....Saw one fella do this on cloudy nights many many moons ago and the results were outstanding....(and a lot less expensive). Keep up the good work mate....now...if you could just explain AFL footie to an old yank so my late nights are so dam confusing.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate :) AFL is just something all Australians are forced to endure as children until they learn how to avoid it.

@DamienBoath 2 жыл бұрын

Hey could you give me more info/links on this? I have a skywatcher 80ED. I really want to do solar, but the costs are prohibitive considering i have a full deep sky setup and the idea of then spending another $2000-$5000 AUD as an entry into solar is ridiculous. Surely there is a cheaper alternative. I have looked at Ha filters, but even that seems to be a minefield of which one to get etc. Also as an aussie, i cannot stand AFL. Can't wait for the season to be over.

@douweodh4146 2 жыл бұрын

Mate, really laughed about the dirty jokes you sneak into your video haha

@2badger2 Жыл бұрын

This is a off video comment. I just starting using PHD2 and NINA and I heard people say dithering of 30 pixels is good. I have 2 scope and use the same guide scope, a dithering ratio (guidescope scale)/(imagescope scale) of 0.700 for one and 2.000 for the other. What number do I input into NINA? Thank you

@NGC-catseye 2 жыл бұрын

That was helpful✨

@91ABaker 2 жыл бұрын

Great picture.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Adam!

@getawaydance 2 жыл бұрын

Make or buy a laptop solar shade. Really helps when you're sitting outside in the sun shirtless and the reflection off the sun onto your bare skin washes out all the details on the screen.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

haha yes

@dumpydalekobservatory 2 жыл бұрын

I think you needed to boost the saturation to a million lol, great tutorial your scope doesn't look a lot different to the Lunt 35 that I have, great tutorial I'll have to give it a go next solar imaging run.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Haha no apod for me 😅 glad you enjoyed !

@FrootyRecords 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Dylan and excellent result! I wonder if Chuck knows about that IMppg software?, he does loads of nice solar stuff too. :)

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It’s such a great tool for solar. Amazing .. and it’s not even v1 yet.

@StargazerFS128 2 жыл бұрын

Kick ass solar image, but more impressive is that total kick ass computer, we need more of that!

@matthewcard1874 2 жыл бұрын

Dylan the GOAT!

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe kid goat at best 🍻

@jankucera8505 Жыл бұрын

wow

@TheJoshuaCarter Жыл бұрын

Did you ever get the B1200 for this scope? That seems to be the way to go with the Lunt 40.

@VK3CSJ 9 ай бұрын

Hi Dylan, I've come here from your presentation on using the HyperStar which I'm about to organise a purchase for my CPC800XLT. Just query on Solar work, what is it about a "LUNT" Telescope that I couldn't to with the Celestron or with a Saxon 6" Refractor, my other scope, for example?...;)

@mohammedalshethry4862 Жыл бұрын

PLS DONT STOP!

@DeanLouviere 2 жыл бұрын

Ignoring all those sun warnings would make visual astronomy interesting… for about a second.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe that’ll teach em

@PafMedic 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂I Was Out 1 Morning Solar Viewing,Or Setting Up..Had The Sun In Full View.(I Align By Shadows)Was Going To Pop The Filter On,And A Bee Landed Near My Lens(Im Highly Allergic) And Swatted That Way,My Filter Went Across The FOV..And Looks Like You Took A Lit Cigarette And Rubbed Across It.5 Holes Across A 6” Filter…Thats Your Face,lol..And About $70 .High Point Gave Me A Bit Of A Break When I Told Dave What Happened

@bofblog 2 жыл бұрын

Try putting your laptop in a large cardboard box...give you a large shaded area to work in and see the screen easier

@Sammus43 2 жыл бұрын

Changing StarNet++ from CPU to GPU(cuda) is a game changer as well

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t managed to get that going yet!

@Sammus43 2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanODonnell I used William Li's starnet cuda walkthrough, took 10 mins. Highly recommend

@jamesmarco9384 2 жыл бұрын

Dylan I am your super fan from Las Vegas. How do you get your mount to track the sun? Did you align in the day time? Thank you kindly, love all your videos

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Use the solar system align instead of two star align :) just Center the sun and boom.. it’s done :)

@jamesmarco9384 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir

@mgmcd1 Жыл бұрын

Dylan! Where you at? Do you have an update on your activities, or are you abandoning this channel? How about that SKA observatory being built in the outback?

@Grigorev_Alexey Жыл бұрын

Hello from Russia❤. Is it possible to take pictures in the Lunt 40 telescope with a Canon 6d SLR camera?

@badmatt4227 6 ай бұрын

I have a Coronado SolarMax II and the draw tube is a loose fit and will not handle the weight of consumer grade video camera. And looking at this setup 3:24 that looks like a lot of weight on the eyepiece. Do you have any modification advice for my SolarMax such as buying a sturdier focuser?

@DylanODonnell 5 ай бұрын

does it matter? once you're in focus you're in focus.

@scenic_shoots 2 жыл бұрын

great tutorial, can we expect this type of image with just some baader film? or do we need a solar scope?

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

You’d get close with film and a solar continuum filter but no, you won’t get the cool flare details without a proper ha scope.

@scenic_shoots 2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanODonnell ok, thanks for the reply

@Tommyr 2 жыл бұрын

You will NOT get this with regular white light filters. You'll see spots, faculae, some granulation if seeing is excellent but to flares no solar prominence.

@derekderek2570 2 жыл бұрын

Yoooo D! What's good my guy

@derekderek2570 2 жыл бұрын

Dude you're a talented mofuggah. Seriously. Thanks for teaching me some dope little tricks

@mohammedalshethry4862 Жыл бұрын

PLS COME BACK!

@astrobath Жыл бұрын

I am really missing you, Dylan, just hope that you will find an appropriate solution for the issues whatever they are. I hope those are not health issues. We are just patiently waiting for your return. Otherwise we will go to Byron Bay on foot (from Siberia, LOL).

@OhanSmit 2 жыл бұрын

nothing can repair the disappointment of the parentals hey... sick video !

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe thx Ohan

@area51xi 2 жыл бұрын

Dude I can't watch these videos with my kids anymore. Now I have to explain to my 5 year old what va--na means.

@orionm4268 2 жыл бұрын

Taking a photo of the sun is easy, composing a 5 hour timelapse of prominenses or other activity is not due to changes in tube temperature and the atmosphere affecting brightness and contrast over time resulting in over an enormous amount of sub frames to process.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Yeh I’m learning that myself now!

@tommydstudios2094 2 жыл бұрын

What blocking filter do you have on here? Im not sure if I should buy a bigger sensor camera or a bigger blocking filter.

@DylanODonnell 2 жыл бұрын

Lunt is the b600 model .. fairly base but I want mooooore

@tommydstudios2094 2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanODonnell I have the B600 as well. I finally got a solar tilt adapter because I had issues with newtons rings. I can't quite fit the full solar disk in frame but I'm using an asi120 mono cam. I appreciate your reply. I can just get a slightly bigger sensor planetary cam and get the full disc! I wasn't sure if I would get a bigger sensor and then find out the B600 image circle was still too small to fit the whole disk in it lol. Do you know of a sweet little reducer that works with these setups?