How the Gnome rotary engines works

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Classic Aero Machining Service

5 жыл бұрын

Want to know more about how the Gnome rotary works, here is a short video to show you more about it.

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@nevillecreativitymentor
@nevillecreativitymentor 12 күн бұрын
Just brilliant engineering. My goodness ... like what was that design discussions going on when such things are being conceptuelised !!!
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 9 ай бұрын
That's a hell of a lot of rotating mass.
@deansawich6250
@deansawich6250 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great explanation of its operation. In my High-school days I was into WWI aircraft in a big way and when discussing engine types in Autoshop the Instructor berated me for telling him about a rotary engine where the full engine rotated around a fixed shaft as he was only familiar with radials and they made sense to him. Well, I kept my mouth shut after that but I knew he was dead wrong!
@keithammleter3824
@keithammleter3824 8 ай бұрын
You should have gone on to tell him about needing only one valve per cylinder, because it can both expel exhaust gases and suck in fresh air at the same place if you have no carburettor. That would have made him mad and he would have sent you to the principal. Your teacher sounds like a couple of real clots I had in high school, such as the science teacher who told us there are three states of matter in thermal sequence - solid, liquid, and gas. I told him there is a forth state - plasma, at which he flatly declared I had made that one up.
@jamesguest4338
@jamesguest4338 4 ай бұрын
You don't have to be smart to be a teacher, sadly.
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 2 ай бұрын
Yep; had similar circumstances with 'instructors'.
@timehunter9467
@timehunter9467 4 жыл бұрын
A real rotary engine! Finally a video that mentions a rotary and doesn’t mean a Wankel engine! Thank you, these engines have always interested me, would love to restore one.
@Smokeybear69420
@Smokeybear69420 4 жыл бұрын
Ikr, so many videos about fricken Wankel engines. They need to get the terminology straight.
@kemanorel3110
@kemanorel3110 3 жыл бұрын
@@Smokeybear69420 Agreed, it's getting harder and harder to find rotary engine content when everybody's calling friggin' Wankel engines "rotary engines" when they aren't rotary engines at all.
@spetsnazGru487
@spetsnazGru487 3 жыл бұрын
this is a radial piston engine, a true rotary engine can only be wankel engine
@timehunter9467
@timehunter9467 3 жыл бұрын
@@spetsnazGru487 Nope, you’ve got it mixed up. Radial engines have stationary pistons, rotary engines rotating pistons, a Wankel engine has a “rotor” but is not a rotary engine.
@spetsnazGru487
@spetsnazGru487 3 жыл бұрын
@@timehunter9467 ok, got it now...
@turbofan67
@turbofan67 7 ай бұрын
That was a great explanation, I never realised how the carburation worked before.
@spencerderosier6649
@spencerderosier6649 Жыл бұрын
Best explanation I’ve heard of these esoteric contraptions
@rnedlo9909
@rnedlo9909 9 ай бұрын
Not only is it ingenious, it's a beautiful work of art! Thank you.
@chuckmaddison2924
@chuckmaddison2924 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks, I've been looking at Sopwith and realised the engine turns and not the crank.
@bobbreit5244
@bobbreit5244 6 ай бұрын
I would love to see some diagrams of that fuel delivery system. I have a good mechanical mind and it feels like some 2 stroke elements going on here. Very interesting.
@rescue270
@rescue270 5 ай бұрын
Induction to the cylinders is similar to that found in two-strokes but relies on suction in the cylinders rather than pressure in the crankcase. The earliest Gnôme engines had suction-operated intake valves in the pistons. Later this design was abandoned in favor of induction ports in the cylinder skirts. Since the crankshaft and crankcase also serve as the induction system, oil was mixed in the fuel and blown from the exhaust, again similar to two-stroke operation. These were four-stroke engines, however.
@vonhalberstadt3590
@vonhalberstadt3590 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful machining. I was just speaking last week with some enthusiasts about the LeRhone and Oberusal licensed rotaries. Brip, brip, braap. Orémus.
@mattowens3451
@mattowens3451 6 ай бұрын
Fascinating... mind blowing engineering really. Especially for 100 years ago
@cramersclassics
@cramersclassics Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you for sharing. Amazing technology in so many ways, especially for 1915.
@datasailor8132
@datasailor8132 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best antique airshows is at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome north of New York City near Kingston, NY. They fly a variety of authentic aircraft dating as far back as 1909.
@someotherdude
@someotherdude 2 жыл бұрын
I went there as a boy in like 1970. It was fantastic. I keep meaning to go back.
@k_enn
@k_enn 9 ай бұрын
Still a good show. Some of the planes have changed, some have been added, but still a great time.
@robertmatch6550
@robertmatch6550 9 ай бұрын
"Is that an engine or a flywheel?" "Yes."
@RBAERO
@RBAERO 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful engine and piece of engineering.
@MWL_-jo3nf
@MWL_-jo3nf Жыл бұрын
Actually, german engineering lol
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 9 ай бұрын
LeRhone was French. Roller cam followers were used on stationary gas engines. So makes sense this would use them.
@davidluna8372
@davidluna8372 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video ! Very clear instructions and engine views . Good job !
@Fred-rj3er
@Fred-rj3er 5 ай бұрын
WOW! Thanks for explaining.
@fredmax2541
@fredmax2541 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Thanks for taking you time to make the video.
@Niinsa62
@Niinsa62 6 ай бұрын
Monosoupape literally means one valve. So that explains part of the engine. But I think it also had a butterfly/reed valve, in top of each piston. So it would suck in fuel and air mixture through that butterfly valve in the the piston, and then the exhausts would be released through the single real valve in the top. Real valve, as in being controlled by the cam. But I might be wrong here. I have some vague recollection that the piston valve was not really needed, and it kept jamming, because of the stickiness of the castor oil used for lubrication. So the Monosoupape version, that is the single valve version, might be a later version that did away with the piston butterfly/reed valves. And used ports in the cylinder walls instead, like a two stroke engine. Which would make the name make sense, pointing out that we now only have one valve, the reliable one, and have gotten rid of the troublesome piston top valve. I'll have to google for this info some day in the future... 🙂
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 5 ай бұрын
Intake control was a piston port in the cylinder
@alcyonecrucis
@alcyonecrucis 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely work mates!!
@timberwolfdtproductions3890
@timberwolfdtproductions3890 8 ай бұрын
Great video; very informative.
@jamesgurney6576
@jamesgurney6576 9 ай бұрын
Interesting, good demonstration
@envitech02
@envitech02 9 ай бұрын
Amazing technology for it's day! I'd suppose the fuel gets fed in through a central tube at the back. However the rotating crankcase made it into a gyro, which in turn made the plane very hard to control. It tends to roll to one side very easily, but to roll to other side takes a lot of effort and muscle power. This is coupled with the fact that these engines are either in idle or in full throttle.
@tullyontherocks
@tullyontherocks 9 ай бұрын
Agreed, however a twin with counter rotating Gnomes would be... interesting! Victorian answers to 20th century problems, I love Gnomes. "It's gets too hot, well just spin the whole mill. Righto!"
@Dannysoutherner
@Dannysoutherner 9 ай бұрын
It had its advantages in a fight - you can use the torque to turn one way lightening fast. Enough to ruin your opponents aim.
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq 9 ай бұрын
Note: Further viewing of this engine actually flying demonstrates the cunning newly invented 1/2 speed position... by using modern electronic spark control to cut out every second ignition pulse... allowing a steady state half throttle for cruising....
@ATomRileyA
@ATomRileyA 7 ай бұрын
Great video really enjoyed watching, what a interesting engine.
@mitchellminer9597
@mitchellminer9597 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful job.
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@ricklorimer9984
@ricklorimer9984 5 ай бұрын
I want to know ho the made the machinery they used to make the fantastic engines back in the early 1900's.
@user-vs5qp2lu7x
@user-vs5qp2lu7x Жыл бұрын
Good video I have often wondered how that engine works 👍
@LBG-cf8gu
@LBG-cf8gu 7 ай бұрын
nicely done! thx
@JohnViinalass-lc1ow
@JohnViinalass-lc1ow 8 ай бұрын
...top drawer post, good animator!...be well!..l
@tomfey6020
@tomfey6020 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding achievement. Go CAMS.
@yakacm
@yakacm Жыл бұрын
Very cool.
@tsegulin
@tsegulin 9 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion - thank you very much! Can't say how much I appreciate outfits like this building working replicas of such historic engines. So see, hear (and smell) one running a century after they ceased to be used is just amazing. Gotta hand it to the original designers - the Gnome and Rhone engines and their Oberusel clones powered important aircraft right through World War One.
@joffrecueva5662
@joffrecueva5662 Жыл бұрын
That is a beauty
@graemesutton2067
@graemesutton2067 23 күн бұрын
High maintenance ,but did the job
@brentboswell1294
@brentboswell1294 2 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons that World War I aviators wore scarves is to keep them from having a severe case of diarrhea after flight: these engines were designed to be lubricated by castor oil. With open rockers, your face got covered with oil by the end of the flight. So caps, goggles and a scarf were important to keep you from injesting large quantities of castor oil 😉
@James-tf7kn
@James-tf7kn 2 жыл бұрын
It's also gets pretty cold and windy up there. They would probably have those regardless
@moudugenou3492
@moudugenou3492 Жыл бұрын
ah bon?! c'était balls castors oil?
@davidluna8372
@davidluna8372 Жыл бұрын
Ha , ha , bravo !
@rescue270
@rescue270 5 ай бұрын
The oil was blowing out the exhaust. It would mix with the fuel in the crankcase like in a two-stroke.
@paulricelli5520
@paulricelli5520 6 ай бұрын
🟥 Fascinating engineering but it looks like a lot of reciprocating mass.
@crossthreadaeroindustries8554
@crossthreadaeroindustries8554 3 жыл бұрын
Very awesome - I hope I find you made a video of it operating.
@purebloodheretic4682
@purebloodheretic4682 2 жыл бұрын
Engineering Marvel! 👍🍻
@bumpercoach
@bumpercoach 9 ай бұрын
love to see the comparison with listed pros/cons next to the ww1 rotaries
@jeanpierrelaolou5490
@jeanpierrelaolou5490 9 ай бұрын
This type of engine had the best power-to-weight ratio at the start of the war, in addition well balanced, these engines did not vibrate, the only problem was that the rotation speed was limited, therefore ultimately the power
@javiergilvidal1558
@javiergilvidal1558 9 ай бұрын
I have this doubt: did the propeller´s sense of rotation go opposite to that of the engine, in order to somehow balance torques?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
Prop is attached to engine so spins at engine rpm.
@krzysztofwaleska
@krzysztofwaleska 6 ай бұрын
​@@javiergilvidal1558final stage of their evolution was use of reductor. So that propeller would spin in other direction. 200hp
@stanleybest8833
@stanleybest8833 9 ай бұрын
I have a castor oil pump. Monosoupape.
@robertboykin1828
@robertboykin1828 6 ай бұрын
I believe it was developed for the perpose of allowing long wait times on the field to await the signal to take off, without the problem of overheating.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 9 ай бұрын
So it has transfer ports but air flow reverses down the exhaust so it operates as a four stroke.
@danielramsey1959
@danielramsey1959 9 ай бұрын
Should design two banks, make it contra rotating.
@daleolson3506
@daleolson3506 9 ай бұрын
Imagine the rotating mass.
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 9 ай бұрын
Apparently, like a 2 stroke, the oil is premixed with the gasoline.
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
Oil is pumped into the engine. It has two supplies, one to the master rod and another to the cam pack. It mixes inside the crankcase and then out through the cylinders.
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 9 ай бұрын
@@classicaeromachiningservic262 - They spewed enough castor oil onto the pilot to cause a little difficulty with the runs. 😬
@emileggimann3026
@emileggimann3026 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Engine was mainly used on or about first World War.
@jeanpierrelaolou5490
@jeanpierrelaolou5490 9 ай бұрын
No the cylinders and the propeller are llink together
@GyroRon
@GyroRon 4 жыл бұрын
Would like to know how the ignition system works
@johnbeauvais3159
@johnbeauvais3159 4 жыл бұрын
There’s a contact and when the cylinder is in position it touches a switch that completes the circuit and fires every other cylinder as I understand it
@rescue270
@rescue270 Жыл бұрын
Electrodes on the back line up with the coil wire electrode as the engine turns. As a cylinder lines up it's electrode to fire, the points in the mag open and that cylinder fires.
@kidpagronprimsank05
@kidpagronprimsank05 6 ай бұрын
I know this engine tech was short lived, but at some point did they find a way to control engine power? As many on this noted, it either full power or idle
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 5 ай бұрын
Some manufacturers were developing carburetors with throttles mounted to the hollow crankshaft but Rotary engines were quickly reaching the limits of their potential.
@Shadow0fd3ath24
@Shadow0fd3ath24 4 ай бұрын
that 200lbs of rotating mass and it slinging oil out must have been horrible in an open cockpit 1200lb plane
@stevelewis7263
@stevelewis7263 7 ай бұрын
For those who don't understand terminology .... SLOW DOWN, and explain what the parts do in simple terms
@Tomsm8
@Tomsm8 4 ай бұрын
i wouldnt enjoy that hunk of metal spinning so fast. impressive regardless. and here i am unable to fix my 125cc chinese scooter engine lol
@jollyjohnthepirate3168
@jollyjohnthepirate3168 6 ай бұрын
If you've ever been around world war 1 era rotary engined planes they sound weird when they come in for a landing. Remember there's no throttle so either it's on full power or it's off. The pilot will line up with the runway and turn off the engine. They loose speed and the pilot turns the engine back on to gain a little bit more power then cuts it off again. The prop windmills when the power is cut so restarting is easy. Eventually they land and the engine stays off.
@alfajuj
@alfajuj 9 ай бұрын
It's still a 4 stroke, isn't it?
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
Yes
@David-yy7lb
@David-yy7lb 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation...but how much gyro effect when the plane turns since the whole engine rotates and secondly how does the engine gets spark to the plug while the engine rotates
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 3 жыл бұрын
Hi David, have just put up a short video taken from the side which clearly shows the ignition wires. Its called Short video of Gnome running from the side (short). Gyro did have an effect, turns better one way.
@jamesburns2232
@jamesburns2232 2 жыл бұрын
No carburetor to gum up or adjust, just run it at 1250 RPM's and blip the ignition to interrupt it.
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, nothing to it! Now go fly and navigate and fight for life with this questionable airframe
@Uajd-hb1qs
@Uajd-hb1qs 9 ай бұрын
I’m not sure how true it is but I heard these rotary engines were made because early attempts at radial engines couldn’t keep the cylinders cool effectively enough so they made it so the entire engine rotated to create better air flow over the cylinders. Obviously this problem was solved due to the reemergence of static radial engines but I’ve never found what actually made them dissipate heat better.
@Crosshair84
@Crosshair84 9 ай бұрын
I too wondered this for the longest time, so I'll share the answer with you. Notice how relatively small the cooling fins are on this rotary engine vs the much larger fins on a typical radial engine. The cylinders of a radial engine are made of cast metal. However, the casting technology of the early 20th century was not up to the task of reliably casting the large cooling fins that would be needed for a high power radial engine. They could manage small cooling fins, but those cooling fins are not large enough for a 100 hp radial. If you have the cylinders spin, like a rotary does, those small cooling fins are suddenly getting enough airflow through them to keep a 100 hp engine cool. As casting and other manufacturing technology improved, it became possible to make cylinders with large enough fins that radials became viable.
@Uajd-hb1qs
@Uajd-hb1qs 9 ай бұрын
@@Crosshair84 Brilliant. Thanks so much for the info.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
Rotary engines were also lighter and had less vibration... the Rotary also predates the Radial
@RM6737
@RM6737 8 ай бұрын
@crosshair84 - Process Engineer here: your explanation is wrong. Those fins are not cast. The cylinders are cast and then the fins are *machined* in a lathe (in the case of air cooled engines with a different geometry the cylinders are machined in a milling machine). I believe that the reason for doing rotary radial engines such as this was because they consume less resources (time, raw materials and tools) and therefore they are cheaper and faster to manufacture than a stationary radial engine.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 8 ай бұрын
@@RM6737 _"Rotary Radial engines"_ ??? That's an oxymoron... no such thing exists.
@iainhunneybell
@iainhunneybell 9 ай бұрын
So induction is by slip-valves much like a 2-stroke but with exhaust being via the single valve? And the crank carries the fuel-air mixture to their sump, so is it mixed with lube oil like a 2-stroke? Else how is the engine lubricated?
@jerrylong381
@jerrylong381 9 ай бұрын
It is mixed. Alcohol and Castor oil, I believe.
@iainhunneybell
@iainhunneybell 9 ай бұрын
Sort sort of like a 2-stroke mix @@jerrylong381
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
Oil is injected via a injection pump, not pre mix
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
​@@jerrylong381gasoline and castor oil
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
​@@iainhunneybelloil injection
@stephendoughty3798
@stephendoughty3798 7 ай бұрын
This engine is a masterpiece, true rotary engine I think France used them on their Spads
@tede.kulhawik7614
@tede.kulhawik7614 7 ай бұрын
Not spads, neiuports
@philnewcomers9170
@philnewcomers9170 9 ай бұрын
where did you get the drawings to build that magnifisant engine?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
It was reversed engineered from an original engine.
@exb.r.buckeyeman845
@exb.r.buckeyeman845 3 жыл бұрын
The main fault I believe, was total loss of lubrication, most of which ended up in the Pilots face, or goggles.
@CheshireTomcat68
@CheshireTomcat68 3 жыл бұрын
Not just that, he breathed in and swallowed Castor Oil which gave all the pilots the runs, it is claimed.
@robertclark9220
@robertclark9220 2 жыл бұрын
Also thehuge rotating mass made small plane difficult to turn and bank. I think to the left but I could be wrong.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 9 ай бұрын
The exhaust exits when cylinder is at open bottom of cowling. Cowl contained oil splatter from valves.
@NikeaTiber
@NikeaTiber 9 ай бұрын
​@@CheshireTomcat68 Correct. They claim that the pilot's seat was wicker to save weight, but the truth is that it was woven wicker for drainage. The other main issue/idiosyncrasy of the gnome is that it is either off, or at full power. If you look at the control stick for a rotary powered fighter from WW1 they will all have a small momentary switch on them that interupts spark. They called it "the blip switch." Turning off ignition for a moment was how you would throttle back the engine. You can hear pilots doing this as they come in to land.
@old8235
@old8235 3 жыл бұрын
I would have thought, centrifical force would effect the operation but i guess not.
@derekpierkowski7641
@derekpierkowski7641 9 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍
@MrZilla500
@MrZilla500 Жыл бұрын
How does the oiling work with the centrifugal forces?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
Oil is pumped in through the crankshaft to the master rod and cam pack. Centrifugal forces is what help the oil travel outwards. Simple but effective.
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 8 ай бұрын
​@@classicaeromachiningservic262Is that a fuel-oil mix like a 2 stroke, or is there separate engine lubricant?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 8 ай бұрын
@@danweyant4909 Castor oil is pumped separately into the engine.
@nikaluss5946
@nikaluss5946 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe show one that runs…..
@ericchapman399
@ericchapman399 5 ай бұрын
@nikaluss5946 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftdna72gyLWlm40.html
@kh2140
@kh2140 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. It's a 2 stroke, and the engine itself spins, not the crankshaft.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
It's 4-stroke
@kh2140
@kh2140 9 ай бұрын
Woops.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 9 ай бұрын
It's a four stroke with 2 stroke induction.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
@@redtobertshateshandles What is 2-stroke induction?
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
@@redtobertshateshandles *What is 2-stroke induction????*
@ramgy6127
@ramgy6127 Жыл бұрын
How to balance the anti rotation against the blade rotation in single engine flight.
@alexjohnward
@alexjohnward 3 ай бұрын
steer.
@ruffruff7063
@ruffruff7063 Жыл бұрын
1844 to 1929 Felix Theodore Millet France , tricycle.
@nswiss19751
@nswiss19751 4 жыл бұрын
With the rotating mass it must be hard to steer
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 4 жыл бұрын
Yes had some gyroscopic forces going on, flown in normal manner no issues but it was used to help aircraft maneuver in dog fights.
@rahulbhatia7798
@rahulbhatia7798 4 жыл бұрын
@@classicaeromachiningservic262 actually this was an issue even in normal operation since many pilots died during training during phases such as takeoff and even performing basic turns!
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 4 жыл бұрын
@@rahulbhatia7798 You are correct that many died during take off while learning to fly but remember that as well as learning to fly they also had to learn how to run a engine. Its not like today engines when you turn the key and they run. Rich cuts were common and could take 10 to 15 seconds to clear which if you had just taken off that had dire consequences.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 9 ай бұрын
A four stroke using two stroke induction and transfer, with valve exhaust.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
WHAT IS 2-STROKE INDUCTION?
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 8 ай бұрын
How is 2-stroke induction different than 4-stroke induction?
@certaindeed
@certaindeed 8 ай бұрын
what about the internal crank and con rod arrangement?
@oneilluminatus
@oneilluminatus 8 ай бұрын
So basically it’s a two-stroke, right? I think Bleriot’s 3 cylinder Anzani engine worked on the very same mechanical principle..
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 8 ай бұрын
With a timed combo air intake/exhaust valve, so...a hybrid?
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 8 ай бұрын
It's a 4-stroke.
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 8 ай бұрын
​@@danweyant4909Still uses the basic 4-stroke principle
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 8 ай бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 the fuel intake charge is introduced in the manner of many two- strokes.
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 8 ай бұрын
@@danweyant4909 cylinder ports are used on other types of 4-stroke engines as well, The Knight type sleeve valve engines come to mind... it is not unique to 2-stroke engines.
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 Күн бұрын
they actually did make a six cylinder at one point... with the peculiar firing order one expects... as did lamplough but he chose scavenged two stroke over fourstroke...
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 2 ай бұрын
"How the Gnome rotary engines works" Not too awfully bad, but imagine the gyroscopic effect on control of the aircraft. Those WWI pilots had to be well-trained! 1:06 - Strange to see obvious CNC tool paths on parts of a >100-YO engine!
@markkoehn6832
@markkoehn6832 4 жыл бұрын
so was there wasted fuel to completely exhaust the cylinder ?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 4 жыл бұрын
Exhaust valve remains open as the piston passes TDC. No wasted fuel to exhaust cylinder.
@alexjohnward
@alexjohnward 3 ай бұрын
@@classicaeromachiningservic262 does it have a huge valve?
@jessetrowbridge6539
@jessetrowbridge6539 9 ай бұрын
wouldn't all that rotating mass be like a a big gyroscope in the nose?
@tomterific390
@tomterific390 9 ай бұрын
Yes. In practice if a pilot in a Camel wanted to change direction 90 degrees to the left, it was easier and faster to simply do a 270 degree turn to the right.
@guido7624
@guido7624 9 ай бұрын
?
@barnykirashi
@barnykirashi 3 жыл бұрын
One of the engines has to let go of the Rotary name. And it propably will be the Spinning Dorito engine, because it already has another name.
@someotherdude
@someotherdude 2 жыл бұрын
An obvious attempt to troll doktorbimmer, who is probably miserable, considering Mazda has confirmed they are bring back their wankel engine as a range extender.
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the other one is called a Wankel.
@JohnWilson-ty2os
@JohnWilson-ty2os 9 ай бұрын
Sounds a bit like 2 stroke
@samusaron5000
@samusaron5000 Жыл бұрын
WAIT! the fuel comes from the crank shaft?!?!
@67daltonknox
@67daltonknox 10 ай бұрын
Shades of a 2 stroke.
@tihzho
@tihzho 3 ай бұрын
World War I pilots inhaled and swallowed a considerable amount of castor oil during flight, leading to persistent diarrhea. Perhaps this is why WWI pilot uniforms were brown.
@timinwsac
@timinwsac 3 жыл бұрын
No computer chips....... no worries.
@flashesofblack4128
@flashesofblack4128 4 жыл бұрын
I heard that those engines slung oil all over the place, I may be wrong. How was the engine lubricated? Did it have some kind of oil pump or was the oil slung around in the crank case?
@Whitpusmc
@Whitpusmc 4 жыл бұрын
Complete loss oil system. Used castor oil and slung oil all over which is why you see them with cowls nearly enclosing them. It also made the planes even more flammable.... Ah WW1, the enemy is trying to kill you, your side is trying to kill you and your own equipment is trying to kill you. Good times.
@Whitpusmc
@Whitpusmc 4 жыл бұрын
Here’s another video that answers the question: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hJhyfsWhudO1kqs.html look at the side of the cowl at the start of the flight and then again at the end. You will see oil leaking back nearly to the cockpit by the end of the 10min flight.
@trap3400
@trap3400 4 жыл бұрын
*New engine for the F-35*
@jgunther3398
@jgunther3398 2 жыл бұрын
i guess discovering you could have the cylinders stationary and just turn a crank was a major breakthrough 🤣
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 Жыл бұрын
The Millet type Rotary has some unique advantages over conventional layouts at the time, They are lighter and much smoother running (vibration free) with no need for a heavy flywheel. Pilots liked them because they could take off almost imediately after starting without any warm-up. The main reason why they fell out of use was as the engine gets bigger its effects on gyroscope procession became a flight control problem.
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify 9 ай бұрын
The spinning cylinders also helped with cooling.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 9 ай бұрын
The spinning engine is the fly wheel.
@tomgorney8868
@tomgorney8868 3 жыл бұрын
It's a 2stroke then?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, its a 4 stroke. It uses transfer ports at the base of the cylinder like a 2 stroke but it is a 4 stroke. In the crankcase it has a very rich mixture of fuel oil and air. The one valve at the end of the cylinder opens on the induction stroke and it sucks in clean air. About 2/3 of the way down the induction stroke the valve closes so as piston gets closer to bottom of stroke there is a vacuum in the cylinder. Piston gets to the bottom of the stroke and exposes a ring of holes and the vacuum sucks in some of the rich mixture in from the crankcase. Piston goes up, mixture compresses and fires as per a normal 4 stroke. The valve on the end of the cylinder opens and allows exhaust gases to escape. This valve stays open right through to the induction stoke. Its a very simple system. Hope that helps.
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 9 ай бұрын
Number agreement? "rotary engine works" or"rotary engines work".
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
9 cylinders, firing order ever other cylinder. 1,3,5,7,9,2,4,6,8,1,…etc
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 9 ай бұрын
@@classicaeromachiningservic262 I'm advising you about the English language, for in case you should want to use it.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
​@@b43xoitwhich English language? There are many...
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 9 ай бұрын
@@WilhelmKarsten The one I heard about since first grade.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
@@b43xoit So you don't know about the others?
@waliza001
@waliza001 3 жыл бұрын
and famous cilindritis.
@tbmavenger71
@tbmavenger71 5 ай бұрын
I am having a hard time understanding this, can someone help me understand?
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 5 ай бұрын
What part do you not understand?
@alexjohnward
@alexjohnward 3 ай бұрын
The engine block spins
@jonc662
@jonc662 4 жыл бұрын
1:20 "Fuck, that's wrong too?" =p
@christophersine84
@christophersine84 10 ай бұрын
So you use ignition timing instead of throttle position to control engine RPM? Neat
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify 9 ай бұрын
No they had a 'blip switch' that simply grounded out the magneto. So you were flying at full power most of the time, but to come down for landing you would switch the ignition on and off as required to control your speed. Thus made a characteristic buzz... buzz noise as the pilots blipped the engine on and off on approach.
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
We build a ignition system that we can switch to 1/2 wit reduces rpm but you are correct a blip switch is used for rpm
@littleshopofelectrons4014
@littleshopofelectrons4014 9 ай бұрын
Since it uses transfer ports, is it a 2-cycle engine?
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
It’s still a 4 stroke, it’s getting oil, fuel and air from the crankcase but most of the air comes from the mono valve.
@ericchapman399
@ericchapman399 5 ай бұрын
@littleshopofelectrons4014 No The camshaft rotates at half the engine speed opening the valve every second revolution. The valve Opens just before BDC and closing just after TDC producing lower air pressure in the cylinder. The piston travels down and uncovers the transfer ports and sucks in the fuel and oil mixture from the crankcase. The piston travel up compress the mixture the magneto spark fires at just before TDC. Watching video of these engines running sometimes you can hear them firing on one or two cylinders due to some part in the top of the cylinder being red hot from a too lean fuel mixture. Watch this video @ 1:55 to hear this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftdna72gyLWlm40.html
@danwallach8826
@danwallach8826 9 ай бұрын
Wish I had subtitles. That fellow is difficult for me to understand. Also, engineering mystifies me.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 9 ай бұрын
Chups means chips. Fush means fish. Sex means six. Easy
@julianprice1587
@julianprice1587 5 ай бұрын
Kiwi English, easy as!
@syborgcat3830
@syborgcat3830 7 ай бұрын
What’s the point of the entire thing rotating?
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 5 ай бұрын
Cooling, no heavy flywheel and very smooth, vibration free running
@gmeast
@gmeast 4 ай бұрын
just stack two of them, gear them oppositely, give them own prop, doubling the HP and eliminating the precession issue. ...no one has the balls to try this????????????
@shinola228
@shinola228 9 ай бұрын
Flying is inherently dangerous. Add a wood framed fuselage and wings, add 30 gallons of fuel, add being shot at with .50 caliber machine guns, and top it off with this 100 HP motor. Then a life expectancy measured in weeks makes sense.
@tomterific390
@tomterific390 9 ай бұрын
In WWI they pretty much all used 0.30 caliber MGs.
@schaferhundschmidt1798
@schaferhundschmidt1798 6 ай бұрын
They all did. The M2 didn't enter US service until 1921, and the DShK 12.7mm entered Soviet service in 1938.
@Jaystarzgaming
@Jaystarzgaming 4 жыл бұрын
It is a rotating radial engine without the extra things.
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 2 жыл бұрын
No, its a Rotary type engine.. invented by Felix Millet in 1886.
@Jaystarzgaming
@Jaystarzgaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 then where are the planes of 1886 for red dead redemption 2 if planes came out that early.
@sandervanderkammen9230
@sandervanderkammen9230 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Jaystarzgaming invented for motorcycles... used in planes later.
@saarcful
@saarcful 3 жыл бұрын
I thought you will start the engine.
@chucksneed1264
@chucksneed1264 Жыл бұрын
the crankcase is open
@connarcomstock161
@connarcomstock161 9 ай бұрын
OHHHHH IT'S A 2-STROKE. Ok that explains a lot.
@classicaeromachiningservic262
@classicaeromachiningservic262 9 ай бұрын
No it’s a 4 stroke but it’s uses a ports in the cylinder to get a rich mixture of fuel, oil and air from the crankcase.
@connarcomstock161
@connarcomstock161 9 ай бұрын
@@classicaeromachiningservic262 Wat. So it's a 4 stroke that...only has 1 valve? My brain's broken.
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
​@@connarcomstock161Some 4-stroke engines have no valves
@connarcomstock161
@connarcomstock161 9 ай бұрын
@@WilhelmKarsten YOU HAVE NO- ok wait what?
@WilhelmKarsten
@WilhelmKarsten 9 ай бұрын
@@connarcomstock161 There are 4-stroke engines that have No poppet valves. Invented by American Charles Knight in 1905. They were massed produced for several different automobiles and aircraft Most notable were the Willys-Knight cars and aircraft like the Hawker Typhoon and Tempest
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