Allelulia!

Excuse me if I don't take sexism commentary too serious from somebody who called women "us people with uterus". What is the cis about? Calling yourself a woman doesn't judge or dismiss trans people in of itself. And it's not like trans people like Buck Angel and Blaire White don't acknowledge that there's a difference. "I’m black, do you actually think I’m putting out a calling card to racists? Probably 25% of my friends are gay and I’ve been a supporter of gay marriage all my adult life, so no dog whistle there either. I’m very vocally supportive of women, daily right here on Quora, so clearly not a sexist. My point is that someone who doesn’t like black people but doesn’t actually act on those feelings or “disparage them” or wish me any harm because of my skin color is of no concern to me. My life doesn’t change because of their personal feelings. But someone who wants to stomp people to death is a concern to everyone in society because they are a ticking time bomb. They are exhibiting a dangerous and unhealthy mind that can lead to violence. It’s possible to dislike people and not want to harm them at all or even express the feelings in public. Almost all of us dislike certain types of people. But if we don’t act on those feelings to cause any harm, the feelings alone doesn’t hurt anyone. But if someone says “I hate black people, I wish we could just stomp them all to death” that’s quite different from someone who just doesn’t personally care for black people, such as those we hear about on the south side of Chicago. I don’t like them either. "But I don’t want to stomp anyone to death for not liking the black people on the south side of Chicago. Get where I’m coming from? It’s like race. One race isn’t “above” the other, just different. Imagine if trans racial people like Rachel Dolezal become more numerous and ended up calling black people cis black and trans black and demanded that we all just accept that biological Caucasians are the same as black people because of how they identify. Or vice versa. That’s what is happening. It’s completely irrational. When men jokingly say “I identify as a Chinese woman”, it’s really not going to be a joke in the coming years if we don’t get a grip on it. There are people who already believe this now."

@@samlerfBuck and Blaire are neo-con grifters who blatantly lie and disrespect even children

@@samlerfwhat does this have to do with the comment you’re replying to?

@samlerf Yeah you are very vocally supportive of women aren't you. Just completely dismiss an almost 3 hour long video about a cult that indoctrinates children into misogyny, misandry a multitude of lies and multiple types of abuse because Rachel dared to use a few words inclusive of trans people. Like don't disguise your transphobic rant under 'protecting women' when you are using that same rant to shut up those criticizing an organization that directly harms women (and everyone else).

literal worst nightmare scenario

Right…doesn’t that just sound amazing. I know I hate having a miserable worldly life being treated as an equal by my husband..who shocker supported my decision to get sterilized during my C-section of my twins as I didn’t want more than 2 kids ever. I surely would be much happier as a doormat sex slave who is chronically pregnant and trapped

That is why it is so hard for Anna Duggar to leave even if she really wanted to, she has no job experience and barely any education it would be hard for her her to find a job in which is enough to feed, clothe and house her and her 7 children.

@@debbiemckeown7626- That is why she should divorce Josh. Alimony was mcreated for stay-at-home mother’s like Anna. She works also be awarded child support on top of that.

They really do know what all women secretly dream of 🙄

Glad you were able to dodge it. I did Christian homeschooling for a few years and all that meant is that I had a Bible study workbook in addition to ‘normal’ class workbooks.

Same same!! I still was on the fringes-- we would go to homeschool meetups. All girls would be wearing mermaid jean skirts and would clean and cook and the boys would play outside. I got some side eye for refusing to help cooking and wearing pants. I think my mom saw this stuff as not lining up exactly, because she was super Christian but she never made me wear the skirts and I was still expected to learn math and science.

​@@sunnyandthechlosame! I had such an awesome homeschooling experience honestly. It makes me so sad that many parents use it so irresponsibly, and their kids miss out on a real education.

My Christian mom homeschooled us but I thank the Lord she wasnt a nut like these dudes (she is homophobic sadly but she allows us to use our own disernment and im trans now). We read a wide range of books by diverse authors and got to watch movies as well. It wasnt perfect but Im still mostly thankful for it

YES! I remember reading ahead and being terrified of nuclear armageddon on the late 90s, unaware that the Soviet Union had already fallen in 1991.

parentification is abuse on multiple levels - toward the child forced to be responsible for other children, and toward their younger siblings who are robbed of proper mature guidance because "mom" is their 12 year old sister.

Sorry this is kinda unrelated but Jana is my legal name (my illegal name is more fun tho), and I got whiplash seeing it in this context as its Greek in origin and then adapted by Slavic cultures so I never see it in combo with english 💀💀💀

​@@venusgin7779Illegal name? That gave me a good chuckle.

@@kingdionysus1867 yah- it’s gonna become partially legal (part of the illegality was about the part that is the same as an alcoholic beverage and I’m turning 21, so not even in the US is it illegal for me to have it), but the other part (it not being my legal name therefore being my “illegal” name) is still there 😈😈😈😈

I don't remember if it was for Jill or Joy-Anna's wedding, but in one of those episodes, you see the bride trying on her wedding dress, and then it cuts to Jennifer breaking down in hysterical tears because she's losing one of her mother figures, and that just made my heart break so much

I swear their mindset is "Screwking childwen is OKai becoz they in da family by marrwiage from you to yur wyfe. Only screw in marriage famillly!!!". And yes I wrote that badly just so I could not have my words twisted and mistaken/taken out of context. Kids should be protected at all costs. End of, no arguements. I'm so glad my second family is a much nicer religious group that gets on with this little disabled obvious-by-reason-atheist.

I agree

theyre against sex in schools because they know what would be taught by normal adults would work against the grooming they do at home. theres no real moral issue.

@@Roadent1241I’d love to talk to you about God, since you said you’re an atheist!

@@jigglypuff_foryoutube1700 I can't promise I'll be the politest other half of the conversation, but I'll bite and stay calm. Do you have any specific questions?

I feel like homeschooling can be better than public schools in many ways but you HAVE to socialize your kids while doing it. If your kids are only allowed to be friends with they're siblings and then don't know how to socialize outside of the home there is an issue.

Same! I attended a bunch of co-ops because my mom wasn't comfortable teaching STEM, and we had to bounce around a lot until we found groups that weren't so egregiously religious based. Like, we were devout Catholics, and so many of the groups were still too much for us.

Was it Dollywood in 2003? You might've seen me there if so, I was the one making the roller coaster operator crack up by being unable to curse despite being terrified. 😂

Ooh, I never thought about that! May I ask where you live? No specifics necessary - just wondering if you were in the same state as the Duggar’s (or another statistically significant one when it comes to religious-centric homeschooling).

I’ve been to these events too! They also had similar events for navy kids (most of whom didn’t have siblings) and they just didn’t know how to interact with people. My mom worked hard to make sure myself and my four siblings were socialized, and our time being homeschooled was short lived

I am so sorry that you are going through that.

Possibly try to think of it in a way of being thankful that another child doesn't have to be apart of that horrible cult. :))

@@leafeon-s4o I am thankful of that for sure, I love my siblings and I would never want them to go through any of that. And I’m glad my parents have changed, but it still hurts that I’ll never get my childhood back 😅

If I was in your position I'd probably resent the shit out of my parents. Probably for a really, really long time; even forever if I felt inclined. I would, however, keep a check on that so the resentment doesn't accidentally bleed over onto my siblings. The kids really have no choice but to follow their parents. I wish children weren't basically considered property in the US. It's kinda fucked when you step back and see how damaging that way of thinking is. It smothers their personality, opinions, and intelligence in my opinion.

​@@leafeon-s4obeing thankful of that doesn't negate the validity of resentment, and if you think it does, I'm so sorry for you

LOVE your comment! I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist sect (Independent Fundamental Beptists), and despite being a MUCH happier atheist now, I'm sure I'll keep having fallout from the crushing religious trauma for the rest of my life. The guilt and terror it inflicted led to anxiety and chronic depression I still battle today. BUT about a year ago, I began listening to heavy metal (particularly old school metal, my favorite), and I can say that NO other musical genre helps soothe my anxiety more. It's been a lifesaver, and I'm so thankful to be able to enjoy it-- and, simply, the whole beautiful world around me-- in a way that, for most of my indoctrinated life, I never could.❤ So much love to ya, my fellow rocker friend! 🤗🤘

@@melissabattles3196 Wow. That’s so sad. I’m glad you found therapy in the hard edged music too. To quote Disturbed…. Sometimes darkness can show you the light. Music helps with so much. Rock on!🤘

@tdsollog Yes, it certainly does! Thank you, and hope you're doing well, too! 🤘🙂

One time I went to a church yard sale and bought four crates of AD&D books and 80s metal vinyl. Must have been stashed away for a burning in the early 90's and eventually they chilled out and threw it in the sale pile

Also, Now Kiss

Eldest GIRL child. We all know the Duggars buddy system wouldn’t have “worked” so well without having a bunch of girls after Josh and John-David. Jana Jill Jessa Jinger and to an extent Joy-Ana (but I’m convinced she married so young to get out after Jill Jessa and Jinger all married and moved out) ran that massive house and raised all those younger kids. I just hope Jana can move out though understand she probably doesn’t want to raise more kids abs being chief housekeeper and nursemaid. Johanna is what 16 now and probably doing a lot

Hell to the no, they're getting stuck in a home

​@@Autumn1988Right. The boys aren't expected to cook, clean, homeschool, or raise their younger siblings. It's only the girls who are given a sibling to raise as soon as they are old enough to dress, bathe, and feed themselves. Someone in that IBLP documentary said that it's not recommended to have boys change the diaper of a female baby, because then the boy will know what female genitals look like and be tempted to touch them.

@@Autumn1988there’s a rumor that Jana may have moved out. I don’t blame her- long time coming and she deserves to live her own life for a change.

@@anonomus8709I sincerely hope she has. She shouldn’t have to be married to live away from her parents, especially at 33, but I also know first hand how hard it is to deconstruct your parents’ and majority of your family’s indoctrination(regardless of that the belief system is). If she doesn’t believe in IBLO whole heartedly then she likely constantly struggles with an internal battle over what she wants/feels she needs & what she was raised to want & feel to need. I really hope Jana and all the other kids are able to get out & form their own views (views that don’t harm anyone else preferably), but especially her because she has given up so much to her family that she more than deserves to live for herself.

Disgusting

That's so fucked up. I hope you're able to det recompense

That "doctor" should've had her medical license revoked and you should've been financially compensated for what she did to you. Did you report her at all?

That is awful! She wouldn't have been in the right even if you had had an abortion! I'm so sorry she treated you like that

What??? This is awful

Good on you for breaking free! I hope you found faith in yourself, and whatever else that has been healthy for you if you wish.

@@flamebloom4659 thank you! I have been able to grow a lot since then, and am healing.

I can relate. As a former Mormon convert too, I joined when I was in one of most worst consistent set of depressive episodes.

@@insomniac_mind776 it's not coincidence. Unfortunately, and I'm sure you're aware, they prey upon vulnerable people using the mental gymnastics that you're somehow helping being them into something good even if it's by somewhat dishonest means

@@nyssalynn5216 Yep. I fell into that. All I wanted to was to not feel depressed and suicidal. I fell for every one of the elders' tactics to join their religion

Fair use needs stronger protection on this platform.

make sure to take care of yourself! this is such a hard topic.

Yeah if the duggars appear in your dream it absolutely constitutes as a nightmare

We really appreciate all the hard work and time you pour into each one of your video essays Rachel 💕 I liked how you even put in the side tangent on how DNA works; glad I learned something useful amongst all their bs! Hope you’re doing better now.

I'm not surprised. The Quiverfull doctrine the IBLP pushes just doesn't work for the majority of poor/middle class families in the US, especially if they are surviving on a single income and/or the economy takes a downturn. It makes sense it was peddled by someone who had no experience trying to care for a wife and multiple little children, especially with little money. Very financially risky and just downright despicable behavior.

I don’t understand how no one questioned this.

I can’t believe people fell for this cult leader

That's a little sus. That's actually very sus. Was he hiding his own "deviant" sexuality from his cult? It's well trod ground that the people obsessed with crushing "deviance" wind up being "deviant" themselves. I'm speculating, I don't know the guy, but we've seen this enough before to make an educated guess.

He lost this position because 34 women, many underage, accused him for SH.

You think we have taken out the Taliban 🤔

Should read Mormon books their bad too..

Whoever wrote that last one and whoever pushes that crap should be [redacted]. They are not people, they are absolute monsters and any harm that comes against them is completely justified and moral.

They probably already are. We have the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and RWW (Right Wing Watch) chronicling their numerous misdeeds.

​@harrisonashley1631So I take it you're including the children?

I felt this when Rachel brought up dermatillomania

I was also homeschooled as a kid, never went to public school, but it had absolutely nothing to do with religion (though my mum had a few flirtations with Judaism, Catholicism as she'd been raised and even Wicca IIRC) I definitely don't think it was the best thing not to have had any public school experience, and my folks were never against public schooling, but I consider myself very fortunate not to have been fed religious fundamentalist propaganda shit

Thanks for pointing out that homeschooling in and of itself isn't a bad thing...what makes it good/bad is how well the teaching part is handled, because just as there are homeschoolers like the Duggars, where it's clear that there are major gaps in their children's educations, there's also those that have been well educated and end up ahead of their public school peers (at least academically speaking), and with great success as a result of that education

Thank God that our church is very supportive of those of us being challenged by mental illness, Our pastor says that the Church has to stop stigmatizing mental illness

As a conservative Christian, true Christianity cares for people suffering from health issues, including mental health issues. Don’t let bad experiences with a few stop you from finding the true, real love of Christ!

@@jigglypuff_foryoutube1700 haha you’re literally in a cult

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Yes Pray the devil out of you. 😔

What year was that??

@@ivy7417 Early 2000s. Probably 2006

@@bdhesse that's genuinely insane. I graduated high school in 2020 and while I recall vaguely sexist remarks from junior high teachers in the early 2010s, I cannot IMAGINE a high school teacher saying that. I would have flipped.

Ironic, because he clearly couldn't do science himself due to his own lack of critical thinking skills.

@@ivy7417 Someone did complain. It wasn't me, since I was too depressed and just wanted to get out, but I remember him coming into the next class to rant about how women just need to accept that they aren't as good at science as men or some shit.

Elisabeth this curriculum is terrible because of what it teaches but it is not the only thing IBLP uses. The wisdom booklets are an add on like many in the homeschool community use a morning basket today. The Duggars used a program now called Monarch and ACE, the Bates used Abeka and many I knew used Bob Jones curriculum for the "actual" education

​@@mktay2067using Abeka just adds on to the lies. It is abuse to teach children lies that they will have to spend years deconstructing.

Abeka is faith based yes. It may be a good reminder that religion is a human right and protected in US. Teaching kids the family faith is common across the board in US. Muslim, Jewish, Buddhists and even atheists. They all teach their children based off belief. Much of which others will disagree on.

If you are talking about Abeka's science. Yes there is a difference in historical science teaching but I challenge you to go back a few years and see how historic science changes yearly in evolutionary thought. What has new info shown us about Neanderthals making past education of them a "lie". Or those dinosaurs.... Every couple years we learn a new aspect we didn't know before that alters what we "knew" about their lives. What about Charles Darwin himself. Much of his theory was proven wrong as new information came forward. The thing about historical science is we don't have all the info and make guesses. That is why it changes and updates/alters so often. Now observable science that is testable and repeatable. That is the only clear one with no chance of " lies" no matter your worldview ❤

@@mktay2067 The problem isn't what they teach. The problem is what they withhold: namely every bit of information (no matter how thoroughly empirically deduced, tested and peer reviewed) that doesn't fit the world view of their sect leader. That in itself is controlling and manipulative. These kids are set up to not stand a chance in the world outside their sect, because they aren't given the tools to understand it. They may have brilliant scientific minds or great problem solving potential, but they are deprived of the choice to develope those skills in order to contribute to making the world a better place. All they are taught is narrow mindedness and a fear/judgement based workdview. As an educator (and even as non-biblical-literalist christian who believes we have brains and rational thought for a reason), I have big problems with that. Because of how our brains work, it is nearly impossible to make up for everything you didn't learn or wrongly learned as a child once you are an adult, as some connections in your brain just haven't been made during it's vital growing years. That is what makes this abusive in my eyes. They never get a real choice.

Yea that's what I've always been thinking about 😆 That, plus thoughts of "so if I marry a trans woman I'll be good?" It is a wonder that I didn't find out I was queer sooner!

Trans woman with parents that still call me their son here. Yeah they take better to when I bring a girl around than a guy. If it was a trans dude they'd never know cause I'm too cool to out my partner like that 😎

@@huntergoshorn8015 My ex-partner’s parents were like that. She’s a trans woman as well, and I’m trans masc. We used to joke about getting married would be straight in her parents eyes. I hope your situation improves

Marriage isn't exactly the last step here--they still expect you to be upholding all their other weird standards? So technically you could get married according to them, but then they wouldn't allow you to divorce, and you'd have to effectively detrans to manage their fertility requirements alone.

@@Nassifeh That’s um.. that’s the joke. That they wouldn’t tolerate a trans “straight” couple

I was JUST talking to my ophthalmologist about how amazing and complicated the human eye is! I have pigmentary glaucoma so I'm always in her office getting my eyes poked and prodded. One thing I remember saying was how amazing it is that the light is focused so precisely into such a little patch of cells, and that tiny patch is all that's needed for us to see our beautiful universe. If it's even slightly off the mark everything is either a blurry mess or you're completely blind. It's crazy how a little clump of cells mutated millions of years ago that detected light or its absence. From there all the different eyes evolved in all sorts of different animals. Our planet, and the life on it, never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me more! I'm very interested in learning about the human eye!

I have chronic leg pain that isn't helped by over-the-counter painkillers and I would also like to say the same thing

Exactly. The idea was that if the woman was innocent, the bitter waters wouldn't hurt her or her unborn baby. Only a fetus fathered by a man who wasn't her husband would be aborted.

@@ladyv5655 same logic as things to check if the woman was a witch: weird pseudoscience to hurt women.

Wait, I don't understand. Is that the verse atheists keep bringing up when saying the Bible is pro-abortion? I've read this verse & deconstructed several times... and never noticed that. Ig I thought it was a mystical divination thing. But that theory (if it's not a scholar-approved fact) still doesn't make sense: if the water was "bitter" bc it had chemicals fatal for a fetus, wouldn't its death rate be ≈100% (even in cases where the woman didn't cheat) and not something by chance used as a prediction? Why would this be a custom? (Also I like how you acknowledge it's not even pro-choice bc you'd be essentially forcing the woman to have an abortion no matter what, putting the decision on the husband & priest, i.e. two men. Bc many people just say the Bible is pro-choice.)

A lot of people aren't aware the bible doesn't count us as people until we draw our first breath. That's when we have a "soul". They didn't see pregnancy as a person, even in Bible times. Before birth, you were property (and even after, but in a different way). Abortion was never a hot topic until modern times when it was weaponized by politics/ religion to control women, suspiciously after modern medicine gained traction. Earlier times it's all known women had abortions or used natural birth control methods, without much upset from society. So much so, plants went extinct. Weird how we have more people than ever, with modern medicines, but fundies push anti choice stuff so much more. It's a control thing. Have tons of christian soldiers for the ones in power. Hence why they don't complain much about IVF even though they toss out embryos like they are having a fire sale. Why do people think they aren't completely restricting abortion? Why 6 weeks vs none at all? Because it would eliminate IVF options and plenty of people use that these days. See, it's okay to dispose of "babies" if said babies are being sacrificed for maybe one pregnancy. The woman is fulfilling her role... They get angry when women don't accept pregnancy because that's their purpose and their punishment for existing. Control everything about pregnancy, control women, because pregnancy is a big fkn deal.

Fun Fact: The Nahuatl word for "Bitter Water" is xocolatl. Which is the origin of the word chocolate. So the bible suggests giving unfaithful women chocolate. 🤔

It's used in Catholic communion studies in Germany. I've seen it in my lessons before leaving the church.

I remember seeing that umbrella picture too! I am sickened. Those bible verses were taken way out of context. And the SA final page???? I am a conservative christian and there is no way I endorse that. I am glad I listened to this. It gave me a little better understanding of a situation my family has found themselves in involving another family that uses this curriculum.

The IBLP cult is FAKE Christianity! Only REAL Christians can "unlock their spiritual visions!"

I agree with you. I’m Autistic and I can’t even help but think how severely evil it would be to grow up Autistic/neurodivergent in the IBLP.

My nephew is autistic and his parents even though not in a cult, but are the product of a very toxic ideology in Russia. They do not accept him as he is, still trying to fix him. My heart hurts so bad 😢😢😢

@@SmartStartTEFL My heart also hurts really bad for your autistic nephew. I do hope that there will be someone who can take him in and actually does accept him as he is as an autistic individual. ❤♾🌈 His parents' ableist ideologies are both unacceptable and unforgivable. 😢😞

I had/have a spinal leak since age 10 with seizures, swollen stomach, hunched neck, and lots more. I grew up in an extension of this cult. One of the dads had a severe TBI and was visibly disabled several years after we knew their family. People included him in the fake niceness way. Honestly, the girls were very catty and mean to me about my visible symptoms. But there wasn't really a eugenics angle honestly for the disabled. One of the little girls there had some health issues as well and had to wear a special helmet. It wasn't a big deal. Everybody just rolled with it. Keep in mind that this whole movement was founded upon the goal of increasing the number of white people. I've heard it justified in these groups that disabled white people have so much value in being white that the answer is to pray for a miracle to fix the health issue and usually to tokenize the disabled person. I've found that a lot of Christian groups aren't concerned about visible disability because it adds to the visible charity street cred of them showing that they're caring for the sick. IME you're more likely to be tokenized if it's visible and shamed for not taking charge of your health and conforming if it's not visible than to have some kind of extreme thing happen like being kept in the basement if you're visibly disabled. If your health manages to improve as it did for one woman in the group who went on to have a gazillion children, then your disability is mentioned a lot as God working a miracle on you and you are blessed among women for fulfilling your duty of producing lots of white babies.

@@ericasrainbow71 not the IBLP but I grew up autistic in Mormonism, which has MANY similar teachings. it was absolute hell.

Just that line shows that they believe their children will never misbehave. They abuse their children to the point they know they will never misbehave. The duggars believe in blanket training which is terrible.

@chebikitty5566 what is blanket training?

Blanket training is when a parent will put an infant (starting as early as 6 months) on a blanket and try to “tempt” the baby off the blanket with a toy or other desirable object. If the infant crawls off the blanket towards the “temptation” the parent hits the baby. This is to make the infant scared to leave the blanket and thus easier to control. It’s horrific and any parent that does it shouldn’t be allowed to have custody of their children.

@@ThePunkHobbit That's awful 😟😟

​@@ThePunkHobbitThat is insane, I'm surprised Ive never heard of it before. As a parent, I've always done the opposite and praised them for being able to reach the toy. Like I thought that was what you meant at first but that's just evil.

At the end of it now and I really enjoyed the part about genetics. It's so amazing what happens in our bodies and it's really sad that people refuse to learn this and instead brainwash their kids with abusive nonsense. That last part about the molested kid very much explains why they are pretty much fine with ignoring abuse and it's about as sickening as expected.

Yup! I grew up in the ex-Soviet block and our Maths curriculum is insane. My mom teaches secondary school Maths, and each teacher for ages 10-11 and beyond (5th grade and up) has to have a BA in the specific subject. I can only imagine her reaction at what passes for Maths education in the US in general, let alone this IBLP fertilizer.

Every state here has their own homeschool laws. Some states have a lot of government oversight and regulations, some states have none. I'm in Texas and homeschooling my kids. We don't report anything to anyone.

Yeah states are all different. I'm in Ohio, and the amount of circles that have been busted for basically being cults is horrendous. One recently got blasted because it was basically a Nazi summer camp trying to indoctrinate little ones.

In my state (Virginia) it's more restrictive, you have to submit a plan and curricula for review to the local public school system, if approved you are allowed to continue and every year the kids have to take some sort of standardized test to ensure their on level, at least that's what my Mom had to do since she's starting homeschooling me this fall. However Education is mostly up for the states to decide, so some states have regulations others have basically none. The Federal Government can't actually really directly regulate Education, it can only give funding to states who institute whatever rules they want.

The IBLP and similar have an entire political lobbying/litigation organization (HSLDA) to make sure homeschooling is regulated as little as possible.

Homeschooled in the states. It depends on the state that you live in.The ones that I lived in during my school years (I was homeschooled my whole life, there are ups and downsides but thats another discussion) you HAD to either do a yearly test that was presented tot eh education board in your county or city, OR you could do a full on binder of the progress of student throughout that year. My mom juggled three kids so we did the yearly tests that were given to the education board.

26:18 I was directly involved with the Joshua generation though, so it's really weird to be so close to this and it's really validating to have a large platform acknowledge it as a cult

I’m so amazed by folks who come up in that restriction but their independent thinking still breaks through. Congrats for finding your path and going after it. You can do it.

Did you want that many kids? I’m sorry that happened to you, it sounds terrifying and I’m glad you recovered!

@@sunnyandthechlo I love my kids. I was never one for having a large family (I am one of six in my own family) but I am actually glad my body refused having more. I enjoy getting to know each child on a personal level, and there is no way someone can do that with a large number of children. Five is what I can handle on a personal level. I am not a baby making machine. Lol My sister-in-law has 12 kids...12....but she is a narcissist and never actually tries to get to know her children personally. She uses them to prop up her whole good Christian mom persona.

@@catwhisperer2358 …did you ever express directly to him that you didn’t want more..or did you go along to make him happy? I’m just confused I guess (absolutely no judgement to you) but I could personally not stay with a man who would try to impregnate me again after almost dying and expressing a real fear of subsequent pregnancies. That just doesn’t seem like something a loving and understanding husband would ever do. So I’m genuinely curious how and why you stayed

@@kritkratt6383 I am a product of an abusive childhood. I was trying to make him happy. Oh, I had my tubes tied after my last child was born. I was done. I told him it he wanted more he would have to go find another woman.

@@catwhisperer2358 I’m glad you wanted them and are a good parent to them all! I can not even imagine 12 kids…I’d have so many questions. How can they afford them all and how many kids to a room for instance but geez.

NFP can be used to avoid pregnancy though. When instructed properly there's an understanding that there are different methods and several variables about your body to track to determine when to abstain to avoid conception. It does require some discipline and allowing a margin of error with more days of abstinence at times, but I do know many families who've successfully avoided pregnancy for years with NFP. I will grant that Catholic schools tend to be abysmal at teaching anything regarding sex ed though. I attended Catholic school for 5th-12th grade and didn't hear anything said on the matter aside from the 2 hour talk where they just talked about periods and Theology of the Body.

It is that reliable HOWEVER only if you are consistent, good at tracking, etc. Same with the pull out method. Almost as good as birth control actually (90% if done correctly) .... BUT again, that's assuming you're with someone that's very very very good with timing. I wouldn't bet my life on it or skip other birth control if I didn't want to get pregnant, but it does work. I'm fertile myrtle yet I've never gotten pregnant when it wasn't known that would be the result. I know my ovulation like clockwork though. I'm never late. My husband is good at interruptus coitus.

​@@shoopidly5249if you have an irregular period these natural methods are out on the spot.

I haven’t gotten there in the vid but I’m fascinated by the psychological reasons. Like placing your happiness on this kid and therefore lashing out and being harmful to them when you aren’t satisfied, happy or fulfilled? So many rabbit holes to go down with a topic like that!

Right? I always say, "Wow! Too long, Rachel." Then I watch the whole thing and sometimes watch them twice. 😅I learn so much!!

I think in Judaism the foreskin thing is a blood covenant. It’s a visible mark of your relationship with god. So it’s not about correcting a mistake or a flaw, but a sacrifice of sorts. And I suspect also about making a physical difference between “us” and “them”. So that’s at least that logic. I don’t know much about these radical Christian groups or about their teachings around circumcision.

@@MissCaraMint Fun fact: circumcision among Christians was made popular by people like John Harvey Kellogg (yes, the cereal man) because they thought circumcision reduced the pleasure of masturbation.

@@Star-vf8vz Yeah but he also thought cornflakes would be good against masturbation for some reason. I don’t think he knew what he was doing.

@@MissCaraMint 100% agreed, I just find that bit of history relevant and hilarious.

​@@Star-vf8vzthe cereal man was absolutely bonkers

They probably wouldn't read (much less accept) that quote because the Book of Sirach is not included in the versions of the Bible most fundamentalist denominations use. Many will not accept anything outside of those versions as biblical and may not even know about the existence of other books. I grew up Southern Baptist and never heard about the Book of Sirach, so I assume it was the same for the Duggars. Also, the IBLP would do anything to keep its members from believing something like that because it would contradict the Quiverfull doctrine they push. The members might stop having so many children, meaning there will be less people indoctrinated by the IBLP that can be pushed into the American political system.

What type of Bible is that from? Is it in the Apocrypha?

@@spaghetto9836 it’s in most Christian bibles outside of Evangelical and non-Anglican protestant bibles. The Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, Coptics and Church of the East all have this in their canon. The original Greek Septuagint that the Jews were using at the time of Christ, since Hebrew had fell out of use with the Aramaic speaking Jews in Israel and surround diaspora. Sirach was also originally in the King James Bible but in a separate area called Apocrypha and labeled as “useful for teaching but not arising to the degree of scripture. Which is why most Evangelicals removed it entirely. The Septuagint is much older than the Masoretic manuscripts. Which is why the King James translators utilized it in addition to the Masoretic when translating.

​​​@@SaintGeorge7the Wisdom of Sirach isn't in Catholic Bibles.

​@@suzboneWisdom of Sirach, aka just "Sirach" is in Catholic Bibles, it's after the Wisdom of Solomon aka just "Wisdom"

While there are many concerns and rightly so , the conversation about wisdom booklets and education is false at least in regards to the Duggars and many IBLP families. The families used it as an add in. Duggars used Monarch and ACE curriculum, Bates used Abeka and many I knew used Bob Jones.

@@mktay2067 While at least thats abit of a relief! Thanks for saying that.

It seriously must be even more terrifying being neurodivergent in this group because none of these people believe in any kind of what they’d consider “special treatment” and if you expressed that you’re having a hard time you’d probably be told to stop making excuses for yourself and just pray to god to heal you. Truly sad and disturbing

​@@boneperfectionIm very late but rhe person that answer to you is all over the video defending this people so 😅

​@@theclumsyartistThank you! ❤

I finally saw a video of yours when it released. This was such a well-researched video, even if I’ll never stop begging the powers that be that you not give dissenting opinions a speech impediment. I’m not a hateful psychopath for having problems with articulation.

​@@kathrynolsen1256Did you mean to respond to me? I don't do voices in my videos. 😅

Shiny Happy IBLP Cult

Right? I thought Christians did away with 'care not cure' centuries ago.

Wow that must have taken so much effort. I can’t imagine being a busy nurse and then having to come home and do this.

That's because she has that connection with God and Jim Bob, she is not meant to have meaningful relationships with her kids, so she doesn't. Her sole purpose in life is to open her legs for her husband, so he is satisfied and bear children.

I'm pretty sure America was founded on religious outcasts that wanted to practice their way. Figured it was the reason they have so many different denominations or sects which all are kinda similar but not.

Or we could just remove religion and teach people ethics that actually benefit them

@@David-hs9su you would need to universal consensus on what those ethics should be and no one will agree on that, same way no one can agree on how to worship the same god, kinda silly in my opinion.

@@TS-oz3ec I didn't say teach people to think the same way. It's supposed to make people think for themselves and understand the consequences of their actions, open up intellectual conversation about human nature. Instead of looking to ancient outdated texts that lead them down a path of bigotry and fanaticism at worst, simple minded ignorance at best. If someone wants to practice their religion, cool. I still think we'd gain more from replacing it with ethics. There are a lot of useful skills future generations could develop, if people stopped threatening them with eternal damnation if they don't do what the religious doctrines say - that they get indoctrinated with at a young age and don't even understand by the way - and do their best to please some invisible deity

I was an ex-catholic before I became ex-christian altogether. There's a flip side with progressive Christianity. I'm gonna disagree with your friend there, especially since a fair amount of catholics, but obviously not all or most, have fundamentalist thoughts & opinions.

Although the quality of education definitely depends on what school you go to in the UK, I do think it's a good thing that there are only a handful of exam boards for the entire country that offer similar syllabuses. It levels the playing field for what students have the opportunity to learn.

Also, if you're curious as to what UK students are studying, there's a TON of study resources for GCSEs (16) and A Levels (18) on KZfaq.

Indeed! Ellie is an amazing person and has very clear perspective

Anything to do with Wendigoon?

Not a parody. Just some evil crap from a demented mind of Bill Gothard.

Thank you!!

My mom thought that it caused abortion. Even when I explained it to her 30 years later she still kinda think that. She supports the right to choose though, so she’s just a little confused.

And even if you don't both have parts that can result in conception, its important to use a condom still!! STIs can be very serious!!

I'm a perfectionist myself, but people are more important than achievements! The IBLP cult expects people to behave like "perfect robots" instead of normal human beings!

Let me say this, as someone who is autistic and went through public school up to nearly the end of 10th grade: If your son is autistic, DO IT. If your son is neurodivergent/mentally disabled in any way, DO IT. I can't speak for everyone, and regular school may be an okay option for your son. But in my and many other's experiences, homeschool (if done correctly) can be a literal and figurative lifesaver. I'm not going to assume anything about you based on your decision, but I can say that being homeschooled is the best thing that has ever happened to me.

After covid, there seems to be more options for virtual school. Might be a good way to learn without most of the issues of public schools

That's Bill Gothard's rule, NOT Jim Bob's! Bill Gothard likes long, curly hair and the girls would get permanents, even if their hair was naturally curly! It's absolutely disgusting!

Where at in the US? Each state is like its own country.

@@bootsandcats1501 Texas... which doesn't say a lot since it's ranked like 40th in the school system compared to other states

Please don’t force yourself into anything you’re not ready for, take your time and listen to your body and your needs :) I’m so happy you have your support group now, I really hope you’re doing ok! ❤️

​@@RachelOates thank you

It's a terrible thing to say, and it's called parentification, which is a form of abuse!

It sounds more like you were in a FAKE Catholic Cult High School! REAL Catholics don't believe in abortion, and they're told they're "Going to Hell," just because they made a mistake! That woman you watched in that interview is BOTH physically and emotionally scarred for life!

They love doing that. Taking Jewish ideas and Unjewishing them

I'm Jewish myself, and it doesn't sound funny to me! The Duggars use Bill Gothard's IBLP "Cult Bible" instead of the "authentic" Holy Bible that REAL churches use! I looked up those words myself, and it's a miracle I didn't throw up!

No.

I have no idea what that means.

@jessiehermit9503 i don't even remember the quote this was about when they talk about sodomy they always talk about men, so even though this is supposed to mean homosexuality it doenst actually (technically) involve lesbians and wlw in general. Hope this helps 🙏

It sounds more like a cult, just like Bill Gothard's IBLP cult! ALL cults rewrite the Bible to better suit their own agendas as well!