I like everything about this except the "I knew the Joker's name one week after meeting him" because he asked the Mobius chair for the Joker's name

This storyline may sound ridiculous, but if told the right way, it might work. If Batman were somehow able to get his hands on an indigo lantern ring, he could leak the location of the family to the Joker and when he finds them, he would be in such shock and confusion, that it would allow Batman to sneak behind the joker and put on the ring, which would effectively remove the threat of the Joker permanently. I got the idea for the indigo lantern ring from your other video on how to stop the Joker permanently, which is amazing.

It's not "technically" a recon because it was stated that the "Three Jokers" book isn't technically in continuity or at least isn't as of yet. It's more or less a stand alone or branch story as "The Killing Joke" was/is.

Batman keeping secrets always gets someone killed. Joker's Family won't be too far from death

I understand why she did this. It’s all because she wants to protect her child. And I’m happy that Bruce keeps checking in on Joker’s family and giving them some money to support the Joker’s family

Corrupt cops = good cops helping his wife Loving wife = terrified wife Poor man = a sociopath before the chemical bath Joker = unreliable narrator

Imagine if the next Robin was Joker’s son. That be a comic id want to read

I don't really like this retcon, I feel like it messes up both Batman and Joker's characters. Batman is supposed to be the world's greatest detective, but for many years he couldn't figure out who the Joker was; and the Joker is supposed to be so insane that (almost) nothing can restore his sanity. His "one bad day" happened because he thought everything that represented his happiness was taken away from him and embraced insanity as a means to escape. So know knowing that the 'bad day" was nothing but a sham, to me it kinda makes his whole anarchy and chaos because I have nothing left thing pointless. That's just me though.

I don't like how they just made him a horrible person even before he was the joker I loved how they gave him some humanity in the Killing Joke just because it made it more impactful when it revealed how he became the Joker

Jokers memory is really distorted and the thing is that we still don’t know who the joker is.

I actually love this, how Batman always knew who he was. It makes sense why Batman doesn’t kill him or just allow him to die. He’s got a family and that’s something Batman was always known to sympathize with for others. The only thing I don’t like about it, is that some comics made it super clear Batman doesn’t know Jokers identity at all lol but I’m actually loving this new idea with him taking care of Jokers family without the Joker knowing. That’s the most Batman thing we know, or only something a Dark Knight would do

I love the fact that the killing joke is still canon.

I think Joker being an abusive husband is a terrible decision since it makes the 'any good man would go crazy after 1 bad day' cheap

This just means that one bad day can just push what is already there to the forefront of someone's personality and another great video.

There’s 3 Jokers & that one should be the 3rd: The Criminal - the original & golden age Joker The Clown - the silver age Joker & murder of Jason Todd; *saw guns and knives as uncreative & never used them.* The Comedian - the Bronze/Modern Joker & paralyzer of Barbara and the one with a family that was the red hood.

That is kinda sweet that bruce check on his worst enemie wife and son

ngl i get the idea behind this "retcon" but honestly it just ruins the joker's origin for me in every way it can, and just feels like its trying too hard to make batman even more cool. like i like that batman doesn't know who joker is, it adds tension and confusion. The one bad day sets up a lot of the modern conflict between Joker and Batman as well, just making the Joker always an abusive asshole gets in the way of that and idk....it just makes it too easy? Like "don't worry, good family men aren't actually capable of bad things if pressed enough, everyone is just good or evil from the start." And yeah, "i had a bad day" doesn't excuse what Joker does to begin with, especially considering that Batman exists. But that's the point, Joker poses a question and is a grim reflection of what Batman could've been. Now all that ambiguity is thrown away in the favor of "no he was always a dick." Hell, even the confrontation of Joker and his family wouldn't be interesting in this retcon. He'd probably just kill them, since he apparently wasn't great to begin with and only has gotten worse.

This actually makes him an even more interesting character in my opinion. Adds more mystery. This is probably a New 52 and Rebirth Thing. In the original timeline, he probably didn't know.

I'm assuming Batman means when he says his first fight with the comedian he's probably referring to killing joke because that's when Batman first time he encountered the comedian.

I personally loved this series and I was hoping the comedian would be the last one standing when he was having the day dream about his family it just made him seem more real more grounded why he does what he does the anger he has inside seem genuine

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i like when joker has a more tragic backstory

Honestly the three jokers story kinda ruins the whole "one bad day" theme.

Oh but in all honesty, Jokers jokes actually are pretty funny sometimes. Especially in the Arkham trilogy.

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2:11 yeah that's a trope we as readers know about. Joker at the time and for a long time after wouldn't have any reason to think she wasnt dead

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I imagine the moment they meet it is going to be “Joker this is your family,” and then he’s going to be “who”

I think it’s nice that Batman checks on jokers family on time to time

I’ve always like the idea of him meeting his family as it is now but I feel this takes away more than it gives like you said it makes the one bad day thing untrue which is one the most fascinating part of the joker because it paralleled Bruce so well. The idea of having him be abusive while it makes sense for who’d he’d become in normal circumstances but it also makes the changes that happened to him far lesser than they were before as while not violent on the same level is still violence even if it was due to his circumstances that he acted that way towards his wife. I feel the joker is best left as an a tragic villain who is irredeemable because of his actions to the point where even if he was a saint before he could never atone

I like to imagine that if the joker realized his family was alive, he’d develop a split personality or something. Like one is his past self and one is his current joker self.

0:01 the amount of times needle mouse has used This clip

Joker: Tell me something, dear, have you ever had a really....bad..day?

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It's a so-so with me, I like the idea of Batman discovering the Joker's identity and he is helping the family of the joker but right after his first fight makes no sense. It would make some sense if Batman finally found the Joker's true identity after countless trials and error of fails leads and lies given by the joker.

Bruh if I didn’t read the comic about his family being alive I would be so interested

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I believe batman always had a hunch that there was more than 1 joker that's why he acts like he doesn't know who the joker was because he really didn't know fully about the other 2 the clown and the criminal

Honestly, I agree with Needlemouse on this; it's a great retcon as a whole, as it kind of unlocks some more secrets in DC Comics, and gives us more insight on the Joker's origins, but at the same time, a lot of it doesn't really make sense.

Defective joke of being a dad has got to be one of the most hilarious jokes of all time I mean you never see it coming it's the last thing on everybody's mind joker being a dad.

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Wait. Does that mean Batman know who The Joker actual real identity and name and keeping that all for that for himself? Why!?

the "one bad day" thing gets disproven in the comic itself. See Barbara and Gordon.

If Bruce did know, it could be possible he simply deleted most information on Joker, while keeping the information to himself. That's why the Bat-Computer never has anything about him in the system. Bruce deleted it. As for the Mobius Chair, best guess I Bruce was expecting another answer he already knew. So for him to learn that there were other Jokers was what gave him a shock, not just the one.

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in one comic joker burned his family alive in their house when they found out he killed animals it was his mother and father

One problem if the Joker was an evil person beforehand then it wasn't necessarily "one bad day" which made him the Joker I may have commented that before needlemouse addressed my point

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Not too sure about the retcon. One thing that can definitely be said is that turning from a sympathetic sadsack into a potentially abusive spouse actually makes his transformation less tragic than it would be otherwise (whether that's a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion).

I mean at least his family is still alive and they’re safe from the Joker but it’s good that BatMan checks up on them.

After three jokers, I would never want Geoff Johns to ever write a batman comics again.

Geoff Johns keeps thinking he can fill the curvy wizard shoes of Alan Moore.

This comic actually give the idea of an original character who’s the joker kid and after been found by his father, he will torture and kill him just to come back as the red hood

2:41 this panel is so fucking cool to me

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I would love to see “Which Lantern Corps Should Horror Villains/Slashers Should Be In?”

Remember in MK 11 in one of Geras' dialogues with Joker? The Titan in the game, Kronika knew of his origin and offered the knowledge to him.

One idea that I thought would be interesting is that if Batman has his own Family why couldn't The Joker have his too? Each member of the Joker's family would be a kind of antithesis to the members of the Batman Family. Batman - Joker Catwoman - Punchline Batwoman - Alice Nightwing - Heartless (Infinite Frontier) Batgirl/Oracle - The Seer (new hacker villain who appeared in the Fear State saga) Red Hood - Cheer (A Villain Drug Dealer Who Appeared in Comics Batman: Urban Legends). Red Robin (Tim Drake) - Ulysses Armstrong/ Anarky II Robin ( Damian Wayne) - Joker, Jr (The Joker's True Son) Duke Thomas/The Signal - John Bender, Jr. / The Smiley Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain : The Batgirls - Giggles e Guffaw (Joker's fanatical followers)

It's an interesting idea even though it was never mentioned I think it's a cool retcon, I would like to see more comics about his family and their fate

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Please do more which lantern Corp videos

I don't think its a bad retcon because there are comics where the Joker found out Batmans identity and while having how many layers of protection? It only makes sense that Batman knew who Joker was from the start but it probably wouldn't change anything if he told him, worse he'd just kill his family as a joke or a loose end.

Maybe Batman wanted to keep the secret identity of the Joker to himself and to protect the family, you gotta remember, bats is a master at keeping secrets, even from his family, so that's why every time he says he doesn't know or the batcomputer saying identity unknown, he is protecting the family from the joker

I like the idea of batman knowing his family but think of this in a new story. Batman only talks about finding out the joker's name when other people are with him, so when in this story we do learn he knows it makes more sense.

I personally see it as the joker never was abusive but his wife was just tired of living in poverty and found a way out. But basically just abandoned joker, and he believes that she’s been dead

I almost had a stroke from reading the title because I read it as "are how the joker family are still alive"

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I think joker being shown as being violent before he becomes joker is terrible it just sort of undercuts the whole bad day aspect of the killing joke

I hated how they retconed one of the most iconic comic stories of all time

the fact that not even the origin behind his "one bad day" idea was true (even in jokers own life) makes a lot of sense since the point of the killing joke is that not everyone is so unringed like the joker to turn crazy after one bad day, batman even rubs in the jokers face that even after all he did in the killing joke he still couldn't turn Gordon evil or crazy

Batman knowing his identity is dumb. He tried finding it all that time and he already knew. THAT MAKES COMICS WITH HIM USELESS

In the Killing Joke, what makes the ending sad is because Batman decides that he has to kill Joker to prevent more Victims because Joker wouldn't reform by choice. Knowing that the Joker was just crazy but aware of his actions, he decided to laugh at Joker's final joke before putting him out of his misery. While they laugh together, Batman chokes Joker to death, as written in the comic. And although it doesn't show in the animation, it's referenced when it starts with both laughing and ends with just Batman laughing.

Honestly I kinda hate how apparently Bruce not only knows Joker's family, and has for years, but also somehow discovered them before the Joker himself AND got them into what is essentially a bat version of witness protection with zero complications, like sure I can see why the Joker might not care since he thinks they're dead, plus the insanity stuff, but you'd think the Joker would still care just a tiny bit about his family considering losing them is what sorta "sparked" his transformation into The Joker. Also, I don't like how they imply that the Joker's family never cared about him and were in fact scared of him, like sure it sort of makes sense for the Joker as a character but it throws away the idea that he was a good (or atleast normal) guy before everything, and completely trashes the concept of "One Bad Day" if he was always a monster. Like the idea itself of the Joker's family being afraid of him makes sense by itself, but it just doesn't work in conjunction with everything presented in "The Killing Joke" whatsoever. Unless you take it as The Joker himself remembers things happening the way they did in "The Killing Joke" but in reality the retcon introduced later is the true version of his backstory. However, even with that idea it still detracts from the original in my opinion. Plus the idea that The Joker believes he was a good man before "Bad Day" but actually wasn't only really helps show that his "One Bad Day" worldview is more untrue and misguided than he himself realizes, which is something that was already obvious and much more powerful with him actually having said "One Bad Day" as his reasoning for being what he is. Like the original message was much more powerful when The Joker really was a good person once and one single "bad day" was all it took for him to allow himself to turn to evil, since in "The Killing Joke"-s story Gordon goes through physical and mental torture but doesn't break showing that only weak people let one bad day define them, which is a great message that works on a ton of levels. However, when you reveal the Joker actually was always bad it just doubles down on the idea that one bad day isn't enough to change who someone is in a completely unnecessary way, like it worked sooo much better when Joker actually was a good person once and just used the "one bad day" as an excuse to become an evil person, since the story already proves that isnt the case with what Gordon goes through, it's simply unnecessary to further show that "One Bad Day" isn't all it takes to change you by revealing Joker was always evil, cuz the fucking original story with that "One Bad Day" message already proved that wasn't the case and that the Joker was misguided!!!! Adding that unnecessary retcon to Joker's backstory is like making a law that prohibits you from putting on shoes, only to later make a new law that prohibits you from owning shoes, to further stop people from wearing shoes! Like the original point was already f*cking made!! You don't gotta drive it in deeper, man! 🤣😭🤣 (I hope this made sense to someone, and sorry for the long rambling nature of this comment, I just really do not like some of the unnecessary additions to the lore later writers sometime add, like its possible to care too much about these fringe details, even to us nerds who love fringe details sometimes too much is just too damn much! 😅😅😅)

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Idk I fr think Batman knew all along. He’s the greatest detective but when the jokers true identity question is brought up, Batman just goes “Yeeeaaahhh that is a mystery…. Oh well who knows” and moves on as if it’s nothing. We’ve seen Batman go to the ends of the Earth to find the answers to his questions but never for the joker ID

Maybe Batman said he didn’t know who he was because he was already suspecting there were more than one and only knew the identity of the first one

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I like the Comic where Batman threatened to tell Joker his Real Name & He lashed out to kill him

Well that is...fucking awful. It goes against the one bad day thing, since if Joker was messed up already then he didn't go crazy from just one bad day. Also, I hate how he was violent to his wife and that their relationship was clunky as it's much sadder if the Jinker and his wife were happy together and then she dies and he goes crazy. I also hate the idea that Batman DOES know who Joker is as it takes away the mystery between the relationship: Joker doesn't know who Bats is and Bats doesn't know who Jonker is. But what I REALLY hate is how the story gives us a definite answer to the Joker's past. It's supposed to be a mystery, multiple choice. But now we practically know for certain who he was before he became the Janker

I’m pretty sure Batman is just fairing that he does *NOT* know who the joker really is because he already tracked his family down and he is the worlds greatest detective

0:58 he says he transforms into the joker we all know and love I dont think we r all gunna love a super villain that has killed many people and dont alot of bad things

Plot twist, the Batman made love to Joker's wife.

Another amazing video

You gotta understand that not all Batman stories exist in the same continuity nor even the same universe.when taking that it to account then this begins to make more sense

I hope joker can be a normal person

If they're really serious about making this canon, there's gonna be hell to pay when Joker finds them....

How the joker family are still alive Harley quinn:Not anymore!😈

In a way it does because Batman is the world's greatest Detective so he should know the Joker identity because he's Batman not the doubt the fact he made the Joker and I got to agree that three Joker comic is unbelievably awesome every got me into comics like I never see it before because I usually can watching movies in the comics

All of it was fun except the "I knew his name one week after we met." That just didn't need to ve put in.

The return

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Every time a person has become Batman

I like how they got around the Joker identity thing as it puts a nice kibosh on the matter. We don’t know because we can’t know. It would put innocents at risk and it’s totally Batman to hide big secrets.

What if Joker sees this?

I like both ideas.