Kings and Generals the problem is I won’t fit into a tank or aircraft

AHH, I am kind of battlefield guy🤔🤔🤔 But I will try..

when will the Ottoman Empire documentary sequel be?

Gempei war please

Gempei war please

Indeed, literary fight for nothing.

Only cause Truman did not want to finish the job like MacArthur did.

@@aocortez9172 Even if I'm against communism, I think McArthur plan was a little out of the league. . .Using more atomic bombs would have been a bad idea, specially when the Soviet Union have also in their disposal for that time. They will have drop bombs on the UN troops or give them to China to use then against american troops, and it would have gotten way worst.

@@x.ruizcastillo5624 Your comment and the logo of the United Nations harmonize well. Typical. "I'm against Communist" In reality, people like you help Commies and other bad stuff like abortion. Lastly, do you really think the US would have any trouble smashing Commies! If only people like Truman did what he was supposed to do, the world would not be suffering under Communism today.

@Ahmad Zubair i agree, the communist was contained which was a victory, unlike my country vietnam

This is so overused

not nuke China is a right move，because all country will have Nuclear Weapon if USA nuke China，and some country will use them nuke USA to protect themselves.

@@lianghao7128 Then China had the Nuclear is a right move too. If any hater shouting"Nuke China" on the Internet, every Chinese can respond to them by a smile.

@Solipsil I said is today when I viewed every internet haters comment "nuke China"under western news reports, I will remember General MacArthur's this word, it make sense? yes,I know we don't have in Korean war, but this war is the reason why we had later on.

Biggest mistake in the history of the USA, should have nuked China right away, would have saved the world 70 years later

@CommandoDude Because (to Americans at least) it came between WWII and Vietnam and didn't last as long. But I can tell you, from visiting South Korea, that they very much remember it in their media.

My neighbour was a British tank driver there. He said in one engagement the chines swarmed the tanks and climbed on top of them

@@Johnnycdrums you've got to understand that he was outnumbered by several hundred to 1. Most other tanks were knocked out and he said they placed grenades on the mgs

It's really late and i know that you didnt mean any thing bad, but it would be awsome if you remember that so much people suffered. My grandma still has nightmares of korean war.

@CommandoDude The CCP owns most of the mainstream media in the US now. Just take a look at how they praised China using CCP's fake numbers in the recent pandemic and you'll see the big picture.

@Dan 240Z PRC and ROC don't even have a cease fire treaty, so basically they can fire on each other at anytime, legally too.

That’s correct. A ceasefire but no permanent resolution.

Dan 240Z There have been dozens and dozens of incidents along the border aside from that. NK soldiers would point their weapons into the south side, eventually being shot and then their friends would use the rope they had tied around themselves to haul the body back. Common in the 60s 70s. Then there was that time there was an axe fight over a tree. When I was stationed there it was not uncommon for there to be a national search alert for NK commandos who had used a mini sub or speedboat to come across into the south on a sabotage mission. Also not uncommon for there to be assassination attempts, a random bombing, etc. Under the current Dear Leader things have actually calmed down a bit.

@Dan 240Z I did meant for the two Chinas

In 2010, NK sunk an SK submarine and also bombarded its island with artillery. Also, recently, a Japanese coastguard sunk an NK ship posing as a Chinese ship, I think they are always sinking NK ships. So yeah, the war isnt over.

Also, China kept many of its casualties a secret. They lost an estimated 2-6 million soldiers. Due to poor record keeping on the Chinese half, we don't know how many. The numbers chosen for this video are extremely conservative in the numbers. Also, the Chinese Soldiers lost are mostly under-equipped human wave troops attacking fixed fortified positions without armor or artillery support.

@@NoobNoobNews Do you have any sources to back up your numbers of 2-6 million? The highest I could find was 900.000 dead for them

@noob noob I though last time you said it was 10mils casualties, now become 6mils? Please get your figure right, lol. Respect to all soldier who die in war. After death, he is just another number

@@NoobNoobNews YEA YEA CHINESE ALWAYS KEEP SECRETS OF DEATHS SECRET IN KOREAN WAR , SECRET IN CORONA VIRUS DEATHS AND USA ALWAYS PROVIDE REAL INFO 😄😄😄

USA HAS LOST ATLEAST TRIPLE OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO

Those were mainly defected forces from the KMT who Mao Zedong distrusts. Not providing proper winter gear was an deliberate act.

and also china at the time had like no air support at all

@@Scientist9221 fk off，When you don't understand the organization of the Communist Army at all, don't question the combat capability of the Communist Army. KMT's morale can't fight the U.S. military for that long

@@omnomnom5359 The Soviet Air Force secretly participated in the Korean War

@@Scientist9221 你要明白一点，解放战争之后，解放军中 解放战士 本来就占了大部分的比例。。

One that ended in a draw.

@Weeb Nation Lol, the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China. It is still alive.

@@barbiquearea To the Chinese it's not a draw, started from the Yalu river, ended by the 38 line, and keep the enemy away, so it's not.

@@jincolin7545 chinese goal was to takeover south korea drive UN from peninsula, un goal was to defend south korea. guess which one happened

@@rackembarry UN's goal was only defend the South? But why they invaded the North until the river between China and the north? Also air attacked cities and villages on China side? It's been thousands of years if China want to take the entire Korea would not choose that time. Also warned American many times, they still kept going north, so you still think the target of US was only defend the south? funny

Imagine what the world would be like if he had been given permission to use nukes at his discretion!

Imperial Officer that’s because they prefer to paint him as a villain, suppressing any notion of a military government, especially with Eisenhower becoming president right after. McArthur’s opinion might have been extreme, but if you recall his rule of Japan was anything but bloodthirsty. He’s more practical and visionary than others. He viewed his role as a soldier beyond purely militaristically, which made him a threat to the political class and rightfully so. Don’t get me wrong. If I’m Truman, I would have done the same but think about this: a divided Korea is an issue till day while a communist ruled Vietnam is veering towards America for help against China eventually. McArthur might have seen something that others couldn’t at the time.

@@aaronlimeuchin7352 I think he was considering options more than outright shouting for nukes. After all, at the time, the effect of nuclear strikes have not been throughly studied and many generals were disappointed by Truman s inaction that led to Communist victory in China, especially considering his staunch anti-Stalin stance in Europe and Korean intervention. The result of not finishing off Korea might have spilled over to Vietnam and later interventions but of course those were hindsight. Ive always agree with Truman more than McArthur, but sometime I wonder if more McArthurs are running the operations in the Middle East, perhaps it would not turn out to be such a mess.

@@aaronlimeuchin7352 They have a fallout not on the nuke but a culmulation of hostility between the two of them with McArthur wanted the military to have freedom to do as it pleases to combat communism. He did so by communicating as little as possible with Washington and took decision by himself, not mentioning his offhand comments on various occasion which angered Truman. McArthur was more responsible for staffing in Korea as he prefer to direct from Japan rather than traveling to Korea, one of the factor that made him infamous in the eye of the troops.

​@@lc9245 Thing is, MacArthur wasn't just pitching it as an option. He (and others in the Truman administration) were very publicly calling for the use of atomic bombs in Manchuria and Korea. The reason Truman didn't do it was because in 1949, the Soviets had successfully built their own nuclear weapons and Stalin had actually called Truman to tell him that if the Americans used nukes in Korea, the Soviets would nuke Europe. Not quite Mutually Assured Destruction, but it was clear that a proto form of the MAD theory certainly played in Truman's decision to get rid of MacArthur. The other was that MacArthur was openly questioning and undermining Truman at home politically which Truman could not have.

On the list!

@@KingsandGenerals where is the battle of masts

@@KingsandGenerals and can you also create video about napoleons final battle Waterloo

Mac skated on thin ice far longer than he should've been allowed to. In repelling the NK attack past the 38th parallel he'd crossed the line. Only his "hero" status and the seemingly successful drive to the Yalu kept him in his position. When his highness caused the disaster at Chosin I think Truman was looking for a way to spank him hard and Mac handed Truman the whip with his own mouth.

@@LuvBorderCollies I think Truman admin's records which includes conversation among Truman and aides as well as minutes from meetings are digitized and available on the internet. (Though I may have read the following elsewhere.) When conversing about dismissing MacArthur before the deed in private, Truman did think of it as a big deal. He knew people would really scrutinize the decision. One of the things he said was that incompetence and stupidity was not going to be the reason MacArthur should be dismissed (and instead overstepping chain of command was the reason and in that MacArthur had no excuse.) Well, if Truman wasn't a little bitter about MacArthur's unwarranted insistence that China wouldn't intervene, he probably wouldn't have made such comments. Meanwhile, MacArthur's exploiting his hero status and overstepping chain of command was nothing new. When he handled the occupation of Japan and the making of its constitution, it was done largely by his own direction. Merit of specific actions aside. The Department of War had headed by Eisenhower had to give 'authorization' to MacArthur after the fact over the whole thing. Of course, the earlier and the better known story was from Hoover administration when MacArthur violated expressed written order to not shoot at veteran protesters during the economic crisis.

@@ecpgieicg Thanks for the excellent reply. Common sense told me Truman needed to be careful of public opinion in his handling of Mac. At the time it wasn't well known that Mac had dismissed repeated warnings of the Chinese buildup because he knew better. In fact, it wasn't until the late 80's that Army intel staffers started talking to film makers about the truth of Chosin and Bugout's blunders. This is my own opinion based on my dad's experience and an uncle, but down to the pfc's everyone knew Mac was bad news and caused thousands of needless deaths, they just didn't know the details of how it all came about til decades later. That's why morale was so rock bottom. My dad wasn't at Chosin but rushed there in early '53 as a replacement for all the casualties in the 7th Inf Div. The uncle was USMC in the "central sector" and seriously wounded in Oct 52. I'm looking for a hardcover book published by the RoK about the war. Its got a photo of my dad overlooking a POW return and he's got a 3.5" bazooka with him. The rabid leftists in the city library removed all these types of books (included hunting & guns)so I lost access to it 20 yrs ago. Haven't been able to find a copy since.

@@LuvBorderCollies Thank you for sharing your family experience. Respect to all the brave soldiers who fought. Whichever side they were on, they fought risking their own lives.

You have to think, Truman came in a time where most of the military leadership previously served under President Roosevelt who gave the military a lot of leeway in terms of how the war was fought. Therefore, the military wanted things done a certain way compared to the politicians.

Same after ww1

Just like the aftermath of the Great War, and exactly like the "War to end all Wars", it ended nothing.

It's just human nature my friend. Nothing more and nothing less. ;) I mean remember the Fall of Soviet Union. Everyone expect it will usher a new peaceful era for the whole world. Until *9/11 happened* ;)

War is starting to look like a thing humans don’t want to do anymore. Or at least not as much.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

@@semregob3363 What the heck that's supposed to mean ?? The Spaniards and Portuguese took back their lands from the Moors of North Africa. How on Earth is it not considered a reconquest ??

Cold war channel did that.

Which one? China has such a long history that they have a lot of civil war

@@hansbass8119 The one that stretched from the Warlord era to the take over of Mao

yes as the chinese civil war is far less frequently mentioned in videos like these and the so-called textbooks (from the perspective of a non-history major haha)

Yes that would be great.. Also japanese invasion in China will be interesting

Don't forget the UN and South-Korean armies. :(

elektron117 Yeah it wasn’t my point at all, I will edit, but as a matter of fact the US led the coalition. I’m not even american by the way 😁

​@@Chris689200It doesn't matter that you're an American. You probably are a brit witch are wannabe muricans because you lot are so tribal. 😅😅😅😅

​@@Chris689200 lol 38 countries fighting two and still couldn't win and you think US did a great job,you are 100% American

Yeah, but he didn't win, and not losing isn't winning.

@@davidcarlson4958 Define "winning." If you think the only way to win was to drive the North Korean state out of existence and drive the Chinese out of Korea, sure, he didn't. However, Ridgway prevented defeat, restored the border essentially to the 38th Parallel, and, most importantly, he did it without escalating to a wider war, which would have almost certainly gone nuclear. It's not the flashy "total" victory MacArthur had wanted, but it was a realistic one for the configuration of power that existed and the larger set of Cold War tension. Probably the only way for MacArthur's vision to succeed would have been to turn the Yalu River into an impassible nuclear wasteland.

David Carlson winning was impossible. There was no chance the UN forces would have pushed back to the Yalu river, and if they had they risked Soviet intervention or increased Chinese forces.

@@davidcarlson4958 Actually it was a victory. South Korea still exist and is a wealthy prosperous small nation with a great economy! North Korea is pretty much starving and in constant need of large quantities of food to survive. So... yes! South Korea and the UN won this one in the long term.

@poortaiwanese McArthur's pride and ego didn't interfere until after capturing Seoul and Pyongyang. His Incheon landing was brillant and superb! North Koreans didn't see that coming.

so,nowadays basically just battle in words

@@user-lh7mp4jg4o Well with missiles that can reach Guam and Japan, US most important ally, though.

Pretty much every nation can do that if they have manpower like china

@@parsananmon You need a Marshal like Peng Dehuai to do one though.

@@parsananmon like India? You better read more history to make that conclusion

Post-nuclear.

FALLOUT

The Chinese forces would have run over Korea in a month if the un forces didn't have airsuperiority. That's why a modern conflict should be avoided by all means by Nato. China has come a long way since the korea war.

Yes and if the UN had the same population and easy logistics as China then things would have been different too. No point dreaming up hypotheticals.

@@ebonymaw8457 Do you think it's just a matter of population? No, this is the will to fight!

At the very beginning the north had a modern mechanized army and the south was just a police force with no armor.

Mao almost lost his entire family in the revolution and this war. He truly devoted everything to the new born nation.

That son spent his entire adult life in USSR, Mao hardly saw him while he was alive. I don’t think they are that close to each other.

@@yousafmehmet yet Mao almost destroyed this new born nation with the Great Leap Forward and the cultural revolution. I don’t think he did it out of ideals or love of the nation. He was just addicted to power.

@@CrasusC he enjoyed paramount power in his entire life without ever need to launch the cultural revolution and the great leap forward. He did those purely out of ideals and love of this nation and communism.

@@yousafmehmet No, Yosaf, his position as paramount leader was threatened after the Great Leap Forward. Higher echelons of the CCP were critising him because of the damage the GLF did to the economy and the millions of lives lost. He was at risk being sidelined. That's why he launched the Culture Revolution - to destroy his enemies and maintain his grip on power.

Take into account that the USSR did most fighting against Germany, 80% of the German army fought on the Eastern front and the Core base of the Japanese army, Manchuria, was captured by the Soviets. Americans and Europeans have a flawed picture of those wars.

I passed a number of things. 💩👍

What 'gift'

@@kiranjackson7412 He promised to sent some gift to US on X-max, but it seems horse carrying cargo had died somewhere along the way. As usual.

Here we are boys, his gift is his death

It started way before 1945...

@@im1tta I know but the bulk of the fighting took place after World War II. I know about the fighting 1930's. Mao long march. still fighting was on and off between Kuomintang (KMT)-led government of the Republic of China (ROC) and the Communist Party of China (CPC) also fighting the Japanese 1937-1945.

George Bettasso 如你所愿😂

The Chinese civil war in fact hasn't ended.

we chinese call it 3- year civil war from 1946 to 1949

Yea the video only mentioned that NKoreans called on the Soviets for air support and that was it. Would have been nice to hear the video at least mention a bit about Mig Allley.

@@700gsteak Yeah, it was such a missed opportunity to speak about air duels.

There were “friendly” fire incidents over Europe at the end of WW2 between US and Soviet aircraft.

@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 I know for those, but meant deliberate engagements on large scale. US pilots were ordered to shot down USSR ones and vice versa. So it kinda was the closest thing to the full war between those two superpowers.

its called King and Generals, not Plebs and Peons

Agree

I guess Napoleon was high when he said that

@@Jabranalibabry haha 😄

Napoleon must have a glass bowl to know something Doesn’t exist until 100 years later😁

The Taliban say hi.

呵呵呵呵呵本来1951年是可以停战的，印度等13个国家的提案被联大通过了，提案内容是这样的：以三八线为界实行停战、外国军队撤出朝鲜、美舰撤出台湾海峡、中国台湾和中华人民共和国的安理会席位问题。只在几个小时之前才得知决议内容的美国并不想投赞成票，但它又不能不顾及国际上包括英国等盟国要求举行朝鲜停战谈判的压力，只好投下了赞成票。 然后你家老毛做了一个骚操作：拒绝谈判，继续战争。后来打成了什么样，以及真正的停战谈判上中国得了什么好处都很清楚了。

zhengyu gu 我没听说过你说的这些，而且我是在从全局看，你就知道抓一写细节来黑。换你，你脸保护国家的胆子都没有

@@ZeratulStormrage 冷战时期世界上只有两个半国家 苏联、美国和中国 中国在60年代拥核前甚至连半个都算不上 这场战争只要美国不想停 没人能让他停。。。当时本朝在国际上的形象没比塔利班好到哪里去 和我们打到底美国也不会有道义上的负担。。。

I think they ignored the south Korean casualties, which was not okey.

This was just a year or so after the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, China was barely able to stand on its two feet at this time, but the military was very strong and numerous.

Dude just look at wikipedia and see the casualties

Haaaaa😂😂😂

And how many stars did Truman have? And how come it's ok to nuke Japanese civilians to finish the job (which it didn't...it was the Soviet invasion in Manchuria that made Japan give up...also it was utterly unnecessary in the first place) but NOT ok to nuke Chinese and North Korean troops who were invading a non communist country? ALSO same Trooman had no reservations with the US Air Force firebombing every city in North Korea akin to Japan. I'm sure there were many North Korean civilians killed bit I couldn't find numbers yet. However in late 1950 Pyongyang was probably more in ruins than Seoul

Ben Winter Well using a nuke was more effective in 1945 for Truman because the U.S. were the only country to have such a weapon. Usage in 1952-53 could have lead to major Soviet nuclear retaliation and escalation. Also, in 1945, scientists and governments still weren’t sure about the total destruction and long term effects of radiation.

@@andrew_z_8547 Any conflict could lead to war with the Soviets. Even people like at Alternative history hub said it would just justify Soviets using it in their proxy wars.

Dillon Blair Absolutely. Even both sides were at constant tension and using the threat of nuclear bombardment, neither side really wanted to actually use the nuclear weapons for the sake of humanity and their own country’s safety.

lol besides the two world wars, all the other wars have as much coverage

Too big to cover up, too real to twist the fact that they not won (not like say 1812) but not too humiliating to impact the general public (the humiliation by vietnam was far worse)

Only forgotten because the Americans were humiliated by a military force far inferior to theirs so they want to forget and not talk about it

@10 you must've not watched this series of videos on the Korean War Lmao China fucked up America, this was China at its poorest point in its 5000 year history imagine China today USA had Naval, land and air superiority but got pushed back to 38th parallel and held to a stalemate there Lol

Chinese ppl never forget this war

Hoàng Nguyên procceds to watch family guy vientnam dark humour joke ..

@Hoàng Nguyên And now the Democratic Republic of Vietnam is asking America for help against a aggressive China who claims the South China as its own territory.

@Hoàng Nguyên they knocked them out? Last I checked the US left because the general public back at home didn't like the war not because they were "knocked out."

@Hoàng Nguyên "Knockwd out"? Yeah right. USA was beating North Vietnam in nearly every battle they fought together. The body count of communist forces when they faced US forces (not South Vietnamese) is proof of that. What won that war was bad leadership during the era, it's containment/policing strategy and American's lack of faith in the objective of the war. American sentiment led to US withdrawal from that war. Anyway Communists signed Paris Peace Accords essentially accepting South Vietnam as a sovereign nation and an end to the war and therefore a defeat in a strictly offensive war. When the reneging communists reinvaded the South, the US government would not accept any plan to go back into vietnam or provide support. That's the only way the communists could win, take the high casualties and hope the war would become so unpopular at home the US would pull out, they did. But what did the people of the South really win? South Korea is also independent but they are one of the wealthiest nations in East Asia compared to the communist North worshipping the Kim family and can't even be seen from space. Likewise, all vietnam got was the distinction of being another impoverished communist country, one of the poorest in the Asia (and pretty poor globally). But hey I hear they're having to embrace Capitalism to survive after all, even hear they've opened their first McDonald's restaurants there. Because in the real world Communism is a stupid, failed doctrine.

@Hoàng Nguyên they're literally the reason tho

what is Van Fleet Ammunition, please?

@@richardgalbavy7103 Basically fire tons of shells into the enemy line without considering the cost.

@@richardgalbavy7103 Van Fleet Load

no one win

Bir kez olsun oradaki varlığımıza dair bilgi vermedi bu bölümde. Önceki bölümlerde de aynısını yapmıştı. Üstelik yazar ve araştırmacı türkmuş.. Burada bir kasıt var mı acaba sorusu aklıma gelmiyor değil.

@@MrSafa61 Belki aşırı solcu eğilimli biridir buradaki türk varlığından memnun değildir.

@@kubat552 O senin dediğin ırkçılık kardeşim, sol yada sağla alakası yok. Bir insan solcu oldu diye kendi milletini hor görmeye başlamaz saçma sapan düşüncelere kapılmayın.

@@smashing-3291 Türkçe bildiğine emin misin ? Sol demedim aşırı sol dedim ve dönemi dönemin kaynaklarından araştırırsan yada tanıklarına sorarsan o dönemde komunistlere karşı savaşacağımız için türkiyedeki solcular koreye gitmemize karşıydı.

@@kubat552 cunkı haklilardi, sırf natoya girebilmemize şart olarak Amerika askerlerimizi koreye göndermemizi söylemişti o dönemki solcularda Amerika istedi diye Türk askeri ölmek zorunda mı diye karşı çıkmıştı az biraz mantiginiz olsa korede ne işimiz var bizim derdiniz solcuları suçlamak yerine birde komünistlerle savasacagimiz için demişsiniz yani cahil desem cahil değilsin arkadaşım, Amerika turkıyeye "sizi natoya alırız lakin korede bize yardım etmeniz lazım" dediği için gittik daha bunu bilmeyen bir insansın gelmiş boş edebiyat yapiyorsun

small place cant attract attention.

Not good because there was no front line on soviet afghan war.

@@grvc44 yeah true

If the soviets had won and the US wouldn't fund far right fascists and islamic terrorists like Bin Laden (to this very day, funding the far right and military coups and so on), the world would be a better place.

​@Jack Blade​ Islamist trash ? These men were defending their country from an invasion, but only because they don't have the same belief as you, you call them trash, and absolutely no 9/11 terrorist were from Afghan descend by the way. Don't forget that your government made war on dozens of countries accross the globe (Iran, Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Panama, Cuba, Vietnam, Lybia, Bosnia,...) no counting all the destabilization campaigns to overthrow governments who are not US friends or who refuse to sell cheap oil. Did you forget the millions who died because of USMC in Irak for *FAKE* weapons of mass destruction ? And now that the US are slowly withdrawing from Afghanistan, the Talibans get back to power, like the Vietcongs after Vietnam war, like the communists in Cuba after the Pig Bay's Invasion, ... history repeats itself.

@Jack Blade i like how u can't give a reasonable reply so u use insults

Yeah and look at the paradise that is the North vs the he'll that is the South... you rather live in North Korea than South Korea? You are a hypocrite

who knew 700,000 troops would make an impact???

twocents856 yep, 700 000 troops with only guns fight with 700 000 troops with high technology as nuclear bomb. Chinese fight this this war without any heavy fire power and airpower. It’s not a fair war, actually.

Baltu Lielkungs Gunārs Miezis tactics helped the Chinese

After this war, Chinese helped Vietnam fighting against French and American for another decade.

Yeah if only they hadn't interfered. There would be no millions of brainwashed north koreans living in fear and isolation. I guess we can thank china for that.

They really experience the rapid changing of Warfare eh. From Line Battle, trench warfare, mobile warfare

@@maizen1403 they weren't in the war, they were around 100 years old.

@@eduardochiscuet3146 you dont think much at all do you?

It will be banned in China, and with Trump it will most likely be banned in US as well. Bad marketing when both power still exists. Nazi Germany and Fictional USSR is popular because they are both gone already.

Canadians to opposing forces: ' You're ten-ply, bud.'

Please identify opposing Chinese formations and Canadian units. Thank you. ( if it was the “greatest “)

@@bg24955 The battle of Kapyong featured the Canadians of the 2nd Battalion Princess Patricias's light infantry and the 3rd Battalion Royal Australian Regiment whom both where supported by the Royal Regiment of New Zealand Artillery all under a commonwealth brigade. Both the Canadians and Australian battalions were awarded the USA Presidential Unit Citation and the New Zealanders the South Korean Presidential Unit Citation for this battle. Its also remembered and celebrated as "one" of Australia's greatest battle honours as well.