How The NBA’s Most Anticipated Duo...Failed
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Күн бұрынPenny Hardaway and Jason Kidd were two of the most exciting NBA players to watch back in the day. When Hardaway joined the Phoenix Suns in 1999, they formed "Backcourt 2000", a duo that was supposed to take the world by storm. But what happened?
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@davidarrington4144 2 жыл бұрын
Suns also nearly had a dynasty at one point with a core of Steve Nash, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire, all entering their prime… Damn, still hurts just as bad looking back
@melenzoferrer4786 2 жыл бұрын
Coz Sarver was/is a cheapskate
@rapgodreloaded9259 2 жыл бұрын
@@melenzoferrer4786 And racist
@jaimerafaelledesma3488 2 жыл бұрын
Spurs did them dirty. Love horry but his play took the suns out of the series.
@melenzoferrer4786 2 жыл бұрын
@@rapgodreloaded9259 Oh I forgot, oops.
@melenzoferrer4786 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaimerafaelledesma3488 He lowkey played chess coz he thinks that the bench might go ape crap and leave the bench (which is a mortal sin as we know)
@temerairetom1657 2 жыл бұрын
Penny is just one off the biggest what ifs in nba history
@dazzzzz4254 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if he stayed in orlando Never got Injured Teamed up With T Mac And Grant Hill didnt Get Injured Shit Magic Would of ran The League
@dazzzzz4254 2 жыл бұрын
@@LoKKoD1Cal8 i mean Hill McGrady And Penny All healthy would of been enough
@williefaulker 2 жыл бұрын
Waives in grant hill and Derrick Rose
@kwekack4035 2 жыл бұрын
@@williefaulker I feel like grant hill could’ve been a top 15 all time player if he wasn’t injured
@juniorhernandez3347 2 жыл бұрын
But he was already great so his career trajectory is the biggest what if not Penny Hardaway himself.You have to watch the way you write the narrative in this era.
@brucelau2023 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Andy, can you please do a “how good was Mike Miller actually?” Video , he’s still one of the most underrated 3 point shooters of all time and he shot a 3 pointer with only one sneaker only
@dubsackbenny6779 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching that game Live. He was a big part of the heat championships they won back then.
@richardnelson7442 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this video exists already. Could be wrong.
@outforthecount7027 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t that good
@rashaudreece383 2 жыл бұрын
abs bring up where he’s from, i went to where he went
@justicestyles 2 жыл бұрын
@@outforthecount7027 he was ROY … he was good in a different era … they didn’t prioritize 3 point shooting
@samuellancelgarcia9869 2 жыл бұрын
i always love the transition of the suns having 2 dominant guards, once i saw a roster of the suns in wiki with dennis johnson, penny, steve nash, jason kidd, stephon marbury, up until 2000's nash and dragic together, then isaiah thomas, dragic, and bledsoe, then present cp3 and booker. Suns have the array of the best point guards in NBA history
@Bugga-Ray-Dudley 2 жыл бұрын
Only the real ones remember the slash brothers
@juniorhernandez3347 2 жыл бұрын
Booker is not a “great pg” he’s a SG. This era of suns is balanced like the one with Barkley except Barkley is an actual MVP. This era of suns actually got to the finals (albeit every opponent lost their star player) unlike the suns that think having 3 starting PGs is a great idea.
@johnnytimestamp8224 2 жыл бұрын
*Kevin Johnson
@SuperNASCARrocks 2 жыл бұрын
From injuries to a young Jason Kidd still trying to find his place in the league it just didn’t work out. Penny was one of the most fun players to watch in Orlando. When he got traded to Phoenix to get paired with Kidd they were supposed to be a great duo. But knee injuries and them not getting much chemistry together on the court prevented that.
@allanhouston3679 2 жыл бұрын
Penny Hardaway was an incredibly talented player, and if he hadnt suffered a serious injury, he would have been one of the greatest players in Nba history. Post-injuries Penny Hardaway outplayed Kobe Bryant in the 2000 WCSF. 2000 WCSF: *Penny Hardaway=21.4-ppg. FG-48.7%. 3.6-rpg. 5.6-apg.* *Kobe Bryant= 21-ppg FG-45.2% 3.8-rpg. 3.4-apg.* But 33-year-old Clifford Robinson had no chance of stopping Shaquille O"Neal.
@darkangels119 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah almost exactly what Andy said
@zipzipzommin4329 2 жыл бұрын
The all star game voting rule was inspired by Hardaway... He was arguably the most popular player in the NBA
@youtuber3328 10 ай бұрын
if i'm right 14 all star selections occured for hakeem olajuwon
@MadSnake123 2 жыл бұрын
Let's be fair ... even with a healthy Penny , they weren't going to stop Lakers that season... nor the next one, that's how dominant Shaq was.
@allanhouston3679 2 жыл бұрын
Post-injuries Penny Hardaway outplayed Kobe Bryant in the 2000 WCSF. But they had no answer against Shaquille O"Neal. Shaquille O"Neal was a monster.
@FAlynn92 2 жыл бұрын
A long time ago my dad gave me a bunch of basketball cards, and among them was Jason Kidd. I was just a kid at the time myself so I found it funny that his last name was "Kidd" and my dad said that he's actually really good. This was following the 2000-01 season. I started watching any Nets game I could just to see it for myself and it was true. They also got to the finals that year so I got to see him on the biggest stage right away. From that point, he became my all time favorite player, and what I expect the point guard position to be played like. This video was like a blast from the past even though it was about the prior two seasons to when I started watching basketball again.
@Desolateinfinity 2 жыл бұрын
I remember going to the games when my dad was entertaining clients. The pixelated graphic "backcourt 2000" was thrown on the jumbotron at every opportunity. Danny Ainge's departure came as a shock. In my eyes, it was a steady slide downward that started with the Skiles era.
@cowboytanaka6675 2 жыл бұрын
“How good is Andy Hoops actually?”
@kenrickeason 2 жыл бұрын
You can tell Andy Hoops love this game.. Dude is very passionate about it.. I love that cause it makes the videos have heart.. 👍🏿🔥🔥🔥❤️
@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly 2 жыл бұрын
The Suns might be an all-time great franchise for PGs
@euroteknique12 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. You should do a video of Grant hill/Tracy McGrady and how everyone in the league wanted to sign hill
@jjd2389 2 жыл бұрын
DEFINITELY!!!
@edwinthaartist 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video as always Andy! Brought up some great memories. Kevin Johnson came out of retirement to replace Kidd after he broke his ankle. Also Kidd Dyed his hair blonde when he came back from injury. They had no chance going up against the Shaq and Kobe. They had no answers for those two. They had no chance going up against teams with a dominate big man. As much as I was a huge Jason Kidd Fan. The team was a few pieces away from being a contender. I think an interesting video would be The NJ teams with Vince Carter, Kidd and Richard Jefferson. Thanks for the flashback! Great time to be an NBA fan. Great NBA Legends in that era!
@allanhouston3679 2 жыл бұрын
They had no answer against Shaquille O"Neal. But post-injuries Penny Hardaway outplayed Kobe Bryant in the 2000 WCSF.
@Iverson1590 2 жыл бұрын
I am so happy that you've started using the Basic Implosion track again, it's so hype.
@user-vh8lk1kc5k 2 жыл бұрын
What about Kevin McHale s legendary career?
@NewEarthSon 2 жыл бұрын
BackCourt 2000 this is nostalgia. Now both are Coaches now in 2021. my my has time flown
@centocerez 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I remember prime Penny and he was incredibile. Future MVP, top 5 ever calibre talent. But in Phoenix It was already way too late, everyone knew It. Maybe if Shaq didn't leave he wouldn't get injured carrying a whole team by himself and they surely would have been the dominant force of the 2000, not the Shaq Kobe Lakers.
@xlexma 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Andy can you make a video on how good was Eddie Jones?
@danielvasquez3758 2 жыл бұрын
Penny really played with a top 10 player of all time only to have him leave and his body fail him just a few years later smh. What could’ve been.
@johnnytimestamp8224 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lc2ig9BzxtewYaM.html What If Shaq Stayed In Orlando
@twentyseven2948 2 жыл бұрын
Most anticipated duo??? I don't know man. Penny was a shell of himself in the final two years with Orlando, and he missed the entire 1998 season. I am a diehard Magic fan since the inaugural season and even we knew Penny will never be the same again. Sure, the Penny + Kidd duo created some headline and excitements. But most anticipated was such an overstatement.
@deanbenford7363 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, andy engaged in a rubber-band level stretch with that video title
@allanhouston3679 2 жыл бұрын
Post-injuries Penny Hardaway was still very good. 2000 WCFR: *Penny Hardaway=19-ppg. FG-43.5%. 6.5-rpg. 5.8-apg.* 2000 WCSF: *Penny Hardaway=21.4-ppg. FG-48.7%. 3.4-apg. 5.6-apg.* *Kobe Bryant= 21-ppg. FG-45.2% 3.8-rpg. 3.4-apg.*
@rotemashkenazi6035 2 жыл бұрын
I really did not know this was a thing, thank you for this video!
@higherheights3105 2 жыл бұрын
I actually met Penny around 97' when he was on top. When he joined the Suns I didn't hear from him anymore. #1
@juniorhernandez3347 2 жыл бұрын
Wtf is that supposed to mean? How high are you bro?
@higherheights3105 2 жыл бұрын
@@juniorhernandez3347 just wtf I said move around with that nonsense
@juniorhernandez3347 2 жыл бұрын
@@higherheights3105 so that was your nigga? Damn i didnt know you and Penny was tight.
@kimjongun2946 10 ай бұрын
@@juniorhernandez3347WTF are you talking about man really? Are you done or what?
@juniorhernandez3347 10 ай бұрын
@@kimjongun2946 😭😭😭 Since your kim jong ill eyes can’t see, this meaningless back nd forth was done about a year ago…..
@brucelau2023 2 жыл бұрын
All right a dope Andy Hoops Wednesday video YESSIR 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@AggravatedMan365 2 жыл бұрын
I don't recall Penny being compared to MJ. He was always compared to Magic Johnson
@VenomousStare 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid as usual Andy. Wish Penny stayed healthy
@t99155 2 жыл бұрын
T Mac and Penny def up there in Top 5 with the what ifs….D Rose etc..
@gregs3173 2 жыл бұрын
I literally cannot believe someone hasn't hired you to make mini documentaries for ESPN. This is the best basketball content on youtube.
@davidkoo6236 2 жыл бұрын
Allan Houston next please, as a Knicks fan surely he's up there for you ;)
@Emma-dh1lx 2 жыл бұрын
Legend has it, The Knicks are STILL paying him that ludacris contract.
@marshae8089 2 жыл бұрын
Fast forward Suns got Booker/Cp3 it still worked out well for them. But that season with Amare, Nash, & Shawn is what haunts me.
@Emma-dh1lx 2 жыл бұрын
Say 2005 Spurs in the mirror 3 time's.
@eduardsimsotto3629 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid as always. I hope you can do a "How good was KG Actually" video Andy
@adammaxwell5250 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good one Andy!. I don't really remember I gave up NBA for a while after Jordan as I felt like I had already seen the pinnacle of basketball!.. I was right!!!..Lol anyway what about a video on triple J's Dallas Mavericks!???. Years in the basement as the the NBA's laughing stock and finally it all seems to becoming together on their way to becoming one of the top teams in the NBA but then!???...
@mentok3027 2 жыл бұрын
Toni Braxton happened
@FAlynn92 2 жыл бұрын
Same. When I was little (Bulls fan in chicago) and didn't understand what happened to the 1998 bulls in the offseason, I stopped watching basketball. I eventually started watching the NBA again for Jason Kidd.
@xpotatohamster7051 2 жыл бұрын
there will never be a pinnacle tho, itll always evolve
@ernstbtmn 2 жыл бұрын
As a Phoenician (grew up in Phx, AZ), I know this story well... It was like watching someone stick a dagger in you. And all you could do, was watch it go in...
@brucelau2023 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Andy hoops has said this about Jason Kidd before , if u saw his Dallas Mavericks video and his other Jason kidd videos in 2018
@KingKlose82 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🧡💜
@neilbryanbucsit197 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about Antawn Jamison and Wally szczerbiak? Two of the most forgotten all stars of the 2000's
@gerdanbombales 2 жыл бұрын
The Arenas,Butler,Jamison Wizards as a whole though is interesting
@deanbenford7363 2 жыл бұрын
Too much of antawn's #'s came on garbage teams.
@matthewbartke4424 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of what makes someone a great that everyone remembers is their body being able to hold itself together long enough.
@juniorhernandez3347 2 жыл бұрын
You mean to be able to extend the longevity of your greatness your body must be able to sustain it through out your career?
@GHOST91141 2 жыл бұрын
Jason Kidd is my favorite point guard of all time
@ankledrew8150 2 жыл бұрын
Because of this video I got curious and watched a video about Kidd, Johnson, and Nash, which was actually cool as hell. Imagine if the pulled a houston rockets and had all of them starting lol, maybe not winning a lot but a lot of fun to watch for sure.
@demonkingbadger6689 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, kidd and nash i dont see as a combo that would work. Hard to have 2 double figure asts guys work together.
@notmytruthTHEtruth 2 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed all of your videos on the Suns BUT can you please do a video on their success over the last two seasons since the bubble? It will help equal out the pain of reliving our bad years 😆
@enanebres6481 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@xavierwashpun951 2 жыл бұрын
Cade-Killian and Shai-Giddey duos are truly reminiscent
@rdubb6592 2 жыл бұрын
Eh not so much Cade-killian. Killian weighs that duo down so much. Now giddey-Shai that duo is going to be the best backcourt in 5 years if still together
@andrewharvey3282 2 жыл бұрын
"Was it all out of their control?" This. This is why these are interesting.
@NotDexFlame 2 жыл бұрын
hey andy, you should make a video about the ‘run tmc’ trio in golden state
@jaba1108 2 жыл бұрын
The hype was unwarranted penny was already done and injured riddled ...hes my favorite player of all time and jason kidd is one of my favorites also but i knew that it was the media trying to make some excitment and a story line after jordan was lost. Same as mcgrady and hill we knew hill was also already done .... sad all my favorite players went out bad and declined from their peaks so quickly ...
@cmlosaria 2 жыл бұрын
3:10 "he had a heavy hand" ooof
@TorreEdwards 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody compared Penny to Jordan. The comparison was to magic...but with more athleticism. He was a pg through and through
@charismatic9904 2 жыл бұрын
For me the kidd/Hardaway failure is exactly like the Tmac/Hill failure.
@youtuber3328 10 ай бұрын
please tell me why you said that
@SayAhh 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone always wondered about the Chris Paul to Lakers' "what if," but I've wondered about Jason Kidd to Lakers and playing with Shaq and Kobe.
@funkeepunk 2 жыл бұрын
andy hoops please do a video on goran dragic
@imdbtruth 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a video about the original Kidd trade from Dallas to Phoenix, and what might have been if Dallas hadn't traded him for Michael Finley. Heck, do a video about the history of all three Kidd trades, I mean it's rare for an all time great like Kidd to be traded 3× for the likes Finley, Marbury, and Harris... And every team Kidd got traded to vastly improved, meanwhile his former teams always took a step back.
@RicardoAGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
"Two perimeter players who can't shoot from the outside? Yes please!" - Phoenix Suns FO, 1999
@hansgabrielt.cabatingan221 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Andy, can you please make video about Dirk Nowitzki
@adali1355 2 жыл бұрын
Andy, please make an analysis video on why cavaliers this season is actually good.
@ryanjapan 2 жыл бұрын
How can you say that quick-paced, guard-dominant offense didn't really get going "until the 2010s" when Steve Nash won his MVPs in '04 and '05 with the Suns' 7 Seconds Or Less offense?
@ivanraypclarin 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, can you do a role player first five? Thanks
@wesleyflocka 2 жыл бұрын
Do a “what happened to Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers”
@corey2232 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't the Suns (and also Orlando) have another "future MJ" derailed by injuries with Grant Hill? I remember him being extremely popular, even after leaving Detroit, to the point where he was voted to the All Star Game simply for making it through a season healthy again lol
@thebigwarthog 2 жыл бұрын
Colangelo should have kept Kidd but he shipped off anyone that had any hint of offcourt drama and he quickly shipped off Kidd and Cliff for their off court transgressions. He also failed to surround Kidd with the right talent so they were almost always first round playoff exits.
@bluearrow_001 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy
@kingofdetroit358 2 жыл бұрын
How good was Allan Houston....he put up great numbers in the 2001-02 n 2002-03 seasons....
@davedungo1137 2 жыл бұрын
immediately remembered Jason Kidd with the bleached hair
@edgarmedina1954 2 жыл бұрын
"How GOOD was Kirk Hinrich Actually?" - would be interesting to know.
@Mystery_Man84 2 жыл бұрын
It sucks man. I hate injuries.
@Noob_Guy2k 10 ай бұрын
It’s so interesting to me this was pre nash teams
@jackal8748 2 жыл бұрын
Jason Kidd rocked the slim shady hair
@alwayssmiling4537 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a Grant Hill and Tmac
@aldenencluna6409 2 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@lavaismylife3295 2 жыл бұрын
The Suns should have kept Jason Kidd and gotten him a therapist to resolve his anger issues. Being a huge Penny fan and seeing him play live a couple of times in the 99-00 season, it is sad to see that they never reached their full potential. If they would have been healthy, they could have beaten the Lakers once during their title run!
@josephjohnroe3735 2 жыл бұрын
It is sad that they didn't reach their full potential? That's the "sad" part?
@brucelau2023 2 жыл бұрын
For sure that Phoenix Suns duo in the early 2000s man for sure was a huge “WHAT IF” scenario , but unfortunately, it just couldn’t work out and that’s due to because of Penny Hardaway’s knee issues and the style of play couldn’t work out
@theophilusjones6024 2 жыл бұрын
Baron Davis or Latrell Sprewell or even Alonzo Mourning video gotta come soon 👀
@ponypower8 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was my personal favorite in the 90's. Then as I got older, J-Kidd became my favorite player during the 2000's. Up to now, I still believe that Penny could have been an all-time great if he didn't go through all those injuries. I think AN INJURY-FREE Penny was on the same level as prime Kobe, AI, Vince and T-Mac.
@nefariousmex2352 2 жыл бұрын
I think he would've been better than Kobe
@skywalker2676 2 жыл бұрын
@@nefariousmex2352 how so?🙄🙄
@david328ci 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was phenomenal, but everyone pretty much knew that he was too injured and done when he left the Magic.
@melvynsngltn27 2 жыл бұрын
Once Shaq left he was done
@prlysis 2 жыл бұрын
@@melvynsngltn27 He was still balling for a little while after Shaq left, even while hurt
@coreyrowe4119 2 жыл бұрын
Penny was still pretty good his first year in Phoenix. He got better as the year went on and especially stepped up his game when Kidd got hurt late in the season. It was all downhill for him tho after he did that microfracture knee surgery in the offseason after 99-00. Any explosion he still had was pretty much gone.
@lostone9700 2 жыл бұрын
penny hardaway got hurt...the end.
@lrkcm373 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting situation, where one player is too old/experienced and the other isn’t old/experienced enough.
@lennyzhou4623 2 жыл бұрын
Was T-Mac and Grant Hill the most anticipated duo?
@chrisisslick 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely would've at least gone to the nba finals if hill was healthy.
@XObimmer 2 жыл бұрын
Young J. Kidd reminding me of Baby Bash
@nunyabizznizz7326 2 жыл бұрын
injuries 2000.........was hard to watch, but it happens 🔥it down, start over🤷♂️
@rapgodreloaded9259 2 жыл бұрын
Andy can you make a video on why the Pelicans mismanaged Zion and Lonzo's NBA careers?
@jacobcrsn 2 жыл бұрын
Zion mismanaging his own career
@rapgodreloaded9259 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobcrsn you're right about that unfortunately 😔 😕 😪
@3serio 2 жыл бұрын
You know how mad I’d be that the franchise changing player would be the same guy we drafted back in ’96!?
@Noob_Guy2k 10 ай бұрын
Penny and grant had sm potential man
@dwil8621 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, by the time Penny went to Phoenix we all knew he was cooked
@PBMdanya 2 жыл бұрын
No Bruce
@AllanDexter14 2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@AirRusher1992 5 ай бұрын
Even without all the circumstance surrounding this backcourt, the Lakers are still a team to beat.
@rapgodreloaded9259 2 жыл бұрын
Kidd and Penny would've been title contender if they were healthy.
@bigpasty1582 2 жыл бұрын
Any team in the west back then seemed so secondary compared to the Lakers and spurs(if healthy). Like maybe someone else could make it to the conf finals but only if spurs and Lakers played in earlier rd or something
@mdp5775 2 жыл бұрын
Back when adding the word 2000 meant futuristic.
@mostdeadlygeist 2 жыл бұрын
ironic to trade away 'hot headed' kidd for marbury lol
@williefaulker 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like whenever a superstar orlando magic goes to another team to form a duo/ superteam it fails ( 2012 dwight, 2000 penny, 2000 grant Hill)
@jaychulo223 2 жыл бұрын
Rule number one leave while your still in your prime 😭😂💯
@corey2232 2 жыл бұрын
Except for Shaq. Even when paired with Nick Van Exel instead of Kobe, he was great.
@madnomad3861 2 жыл бұрын
Andy, can you make a video about Tom Chambers, a Suns legend and one of the most underrated players in NBA history
@yosavvy8597 2 жыл бұрын
1:16 kawhi is that you? 😳
@aliflorence3381 2 жыл бұрын
Injuries! 🤦🏾♂️
@shaolinotter 2 жыл бұрын
I already know this video is going to hurt
@jknumber5138 2 жыл бұрын
Kidd was the man💯. Penny needed those early 00s year's to enter the hall of fame. Unfortunately, he got hurt. That's why he'll never make it
@mrinmoynath2532 2 жыл бұрын
make video about Swaggy P
@brucelau2023 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t even think if the Phoenix Suns in the early 2000s prior to Steve Nash arriving would’ve made a huge difference because of the emerging teams such as - Los Angeles lakers - San Antonio Spurs Etc they would always get in their way and I don’t think there would be any much they could if penny didn’t get hurt or Jason Kidd’s off court drama
@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly 2 жыл бұрын
They would have had no bigs to contain those teams
@nonanimeprofilepic 2 жыл бұрын
because shaq and kobe were better (:
@spaxeghostcasper1050 2 жыл бұрын
Dam the starting 5 only played 13 games
@youtuber3328 10 ай бұрын
please tell me who you all feel was best in the 00 playoffs between the suns jazz heat and sixers and i'll say the 00 01 and 02 lakers weren't as elite as the 67 sixers because shaquille o'neal wasn't as elite as wilt chamberlain
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