It's just the typical Panthers Rollercoaster of Pain. It's perfectly healthy, unlike our players.

pretty much

Give it a year, I’d say.

Probably... But still, Carolina is losing with Sam Darnold and PJ Walker is underwhelming as a starter.

😏

POHeck2 Toronto Raptors would be perfect for that idea

Oooo the Chicago Cubs would be a nice touch lol

2001 Patriots (winning a Super Bowl after 3 consecutive years finishing 4th in the AFC East).

saints

Wow! That's an awesome idea!!!

nothing else but pain

That 3 year span from 2013-15 y’all should have gotten at least two Super Bowls. That was their window. Josh Norman was the downfall. He was a system player in a great defense. Look what happened in Washington. Injuries took its toll.

:)

MrLp1980 Cam cared more about rehearsing his cellies than winning. Dude couldn’t be bothered to go after a loose ball in the super bowl. Can’t win like that.

*with Cpt. Holt voice* Pain

*jacksonville right now:* minshew mania

Well getting blatantly cheated out of a Super Bowl appearance is a good way to nuke a franchise. That’s the only game I’ve seen that I can say for sure was fixed.

Stack X lol oh really. So the jags committing obvious DPI, head hunting Gronk, and being dirty players is rigged? Idiot

they only went 10-6 that year

@@jessedellross3245 i dont agree that it was fixed but Myles Jack wasnt down and he had a clear path to the endzone. If he scores we going to the Super Bowl. Bad Call

Yup...

I wish y’all shut up with this as a fan bs

@@ncpantherology6753 don't like it then don't read it. Not hard.

@@sherpder nobody ask you to kiss ass of a regular dude that play a regular sport fanboy

@@ncpantherology6753 I’d be mad too if I had a decade plus of a mediocre offensive line letting a stud QB like Cam get murdered.

Haters never respected Cam till he was a patriot

Philly brown Jericho lol fun times just pain to see them fall so fast.

@@rafaelmorales6838 dem injuries and stupid ron really caught up

Lol people in this comment section got unlimited excuses for cam.

Kaizaro123 lol. Seen a lot of you in these KZfaq comments. I ain’t gonna argue w someone about a player who won’t make it to HOF and has only had TWO winning seasons. Waste of my time.

As a Raiders fan, I can tell you that for a young NFL team, you guys already have two of my all time favorite legends (Steve Smith and Julius Peppers). All we've had for legends in the last 20 years was Charles Woodson and Sebastian Janakowski.

Poison_0038 janakowski😂😂😂

@@MrLizrd He's a legend in all the buffets around the bay area.

That's how I felt during Superbowl 48 don't even go there

This just pissed me off but I had to watch it 😠

For real bro we saw yall week 7 or 8 @Titans, and yall beat us by like 10 points then I saw ya shutout Seattle in the first half, then ice em, then destroy Arizona, dude had like 5 ints....I was like yeah they're winning.....then...yeah.

Dw the broncos collapsed as well

@@klizzard1691 At least they won a SB 😥

talking about a dynasty without even winning a superbowl 🤡

@@howdareyouexist Could've been lol, learn to read first

You can put the blame on ownership because once he bought the team, Carolina went downhill from there.

Fr tho

Imagine CMC and Teddy B, Super Bowl favourite

Would've been nice because the 2015 Panthers passing game wasn't all that good.

Lol. Rivera barely played rookies. CMC didn't play much his rookie season because the dumb coaching staff didn't know how to use him. Horrendous coaching.

Still would have found a way to lose

Wayne Ford yes

@Wayne Ford yes he was en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oher

And Jared Allen was on the Dline and Tillman in the secondary (until he was injured) they signed Finnegan toward the end of the year They had a few different famous faces in places on that 2015 team

Michael "False Start" Oher

And von made him his b&@*#

That TJ Watt hit in his shoulder ruined Cam! So sad smh

Hahaha brought you to tears? A showboat of a loser, who isn't even in the NFL anymore ? Never won a superbowl ? When has Carolina won a superbowl? How many times? This is a joke right? Panthers and cam are and always will be the biggest joke, and I live in Carolina.

Cam went full gardening grandma style..

Probably should stay on break from the panthers for a few more years my friend

@@dubnation1360 Yeah their unwatchability last year gave me shades of the Clausen "era," spelled E-R-R-O-R.

Loved Tolbert when he was with the Chargers. Rivera made a smart move bringing him to the Panthers.

I forgot about the Bowling Ball! Good point man. This video hurt to watch

One more - Kelvin Benjamin may be trash, but he was tall, long, and thicc - super tough for many DBs to defend on a tiny route

I remember #89 Steve Smith Jr and hard hitting Greg Hardy those were the days

When we needed three yeards, he'd get us three yards; when we needed one yard, he'd get us three yards; when we needed ten yards... he'd get us three yards.

I thought it was worthy of a collapse video, but I never thought they would actually do it. Probably did it just because that final piece just fell.

Haw Haw

@Markel Scott Rivera should have been fired earlier.

@Hector Rodriguez Ironic that the best player on that Warriors squad, Steph Curry, was a Panthers Fan, and at Super Bowl 50

As a panthers fan I haven’t fully recovered

Hiring Terry Porter to try and replace d’antoni started it all. Terry Porter did not have an impressive coaching resume and wasn’t gonna inherit d’antoni’s talent and make them better. He didn’t even make it 50 games into his first year with them before he got fired. That and eventually losing Stoudemire led to the collapse of the Suns.

SSOL

I mean, they kind of went over a lot of that in the Steve Nash Untitled video

That's basically the Steve Nash Untitled video

@@JWex-jy7sk I'm a Knicks fan. Losing Amare was a godsend for the Suns. He had half a season of MVP caliber play and then his career basically ended with us. Losing Amare for NOTHING was the start of problem though.

I know man Time flies

It does not feel like 2 years at all

Feels like 10 years to me

Feels like 1000 years ago

I wouldn’t say kuechly went out on his own terms. He had several concussions and he noted his play was starting to suffer

Fax, felt the same on the raiders one

Same

yeah this hit the feelings hard

Yea this hurts

I remember feeling like the only person who wanted to draft Cam, I'm glad we did. CAR failed by not protecting him or giving him weapons. Hope we can draft QB Trevor Lawrence.

Just like Teddy Bridgewater. I'm a Packer fan, but that was just depressing.

Under further review, one year later Cam still sucks.

Cam is killing it on his couch right now. Best in the league.

Wasn’t he balling on the pats before he go hit with Covid?

I’ve been thinking that same thing myself, as owner Mike Ilitch (well into his 80s) was in total win-now mode, with Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera, David Price, Prince Fielder, and others, but they lost in the ALCS in 2011 and 2013 and got swept in the 2012 World Series. That’s a similar pattern to the 49ers in the same years, see the link at the end of this video.

Baseball isn't interesting though

The early 2010s tigers is a tragedy

Im Maxing RS yes it is

@@ethanmoore4827 seriously, so many good players and now they're pretty much all gone and the team is doomed to hell for many years to come

I just picture Stephen a smith sayin he’s a baaaaaaaad maaan

Did You Know That Current New England Patriots’ QB Cam Newton Was Drafted No.1 By The Carolina Panthers & Denver Broncos LB/Super Bowl 50 MVP Von Miller Was Drafted No.2 Behind Newton Back In 2011? Von Miller Had A Lot To Prove In That Super Bowl & He Delivered!

John Maring did u know that he’s been injured for four years

John Maring nope he had already proved that he was one of the best pass rusher in the league, and won DROY and multiple pro bowl.

He was, I'm a Pats fan and knew Brady was going to die in Dever that year. Lol, even got a pick in the AFC championship. Von was going nuts.

Damn man I’m a Bucs fan and I can’t relate to losing a super bowl and all but I do feel your pain. Being in the basement of the NFC south for nearly 10 years didn’t help either but you guys have a promising future.

@@cwasontmon6860 💀💀

@@cwasontmon6860 boy it’s depressing being you and the panther fan 🤣

Don't worry bud, it's time to get Deshaun

I hope so to with something good happening on defence with Chinn Brown Burns and offence with Robby CMC DJ and Samuels we just need a QB like Cam to help us

He wanted no part of it. He gave up right then and there and then storming out of the press conference, something he'd do again when he didn't like the way something went, showed everyone what he was. There was a knock on him in the draft saying that smile is fake. So when all was going good, Cam was good. Adversity shows up, and he crumbles.

@@benvinew6465 I think you’re forgetting he went against a stellar defensive team and offense consisting of Peyton manning, Emmanuel sanders, a dual RB threat, demariyus Thomson. It was an unreal team

@@shanejones578 And? When the going got tough, he crumbled. The ball was on the turf and instead of going to get it, he ran away from it. It was over right then and there for him.

@@benvinew6465 plus Mike remmer was blocking😂

So true... being a Hawks fan, I can only imagine how terrible Seattle would be without Russell.

Can’t forget about Wagner either man leads that defense !

If we didn’t have Russ we’d be like the worst team in the league

Goes to show you attitude is everything. Cam has one of the worst attitudes while Russ is always smiling and looking to improve.

What a dumb comment. Take the star qb off any team and you can say the same.

*Or the saints before they won their first super bowl*

Or the Patriots during the late 90s and early 2000s

@@bostonsportsfan5079 nah lmao no one wants to see that

@@griffdog18 On one hand, it would be fascinating to see how the Patriots became the NFL-dominating dynasty that they were of almost 2 decades. On the other hand, I don't think many non-Patriots fans would like to revive the traumas inflicted by the Galactic Empire of sports.

@@ChuckBrowning exactly. i think everyone knows the story and no one wants to relive it ever again, outside of patriots fans😂

The Seahawks have definitely fallen off considering what the expectations for them were. In 2013-14, people thought they were unstoppable and expected them to go to the super bowl every year. Then for the next few years they regressed to become divisional round fodder, and recently they have become wild card fodder. And Wilson isn’t getting any younger. It’s been slow, to be sure, more like a gradual deterioration than a sudden critical failure, but they haven’t been a serious super bowl threat since 2014. I wouldn’t say they were quite an anti-collapse

I do think the Seahawks have pretty much collapsed. The team has gone from being the Legion of Boom to the Legion of Gloom now. A team that lacks any kind of fire at all. Coaching decisions were awful. Wilson has fallen off course and hasn't really been the same guy. The team has truly fallen apart from being NFC West favorites to now being basement dwellers.

*Hate to be THAT guy but fact: the Panthers (along with the falcons) went to the super bowl TWICE & lost both times BUT the saints & bucs are two of the 3 teams in NFL history to make their super bowl appearance & win it..........*

@@Simeautomatic100 pain

Same

@@Simeautomatic100 meanwhile you can't lose a Superbowl if you've never been to one (Lions)

@@Simeautomatic100 okay and how are the bucs doing? 13 seasons with no playoff appearances. The saints just cant stop loosing to the Vikings when it matters most. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ everyteam has had problems.

What a time it was in life

As a Broncos fan, It does not feel like yesterday. The last 5 seasons have been anything but that magical '15 season.

As a Ravens fan, those dark times feel satisfyingly distant.

I remember watching super bowl 50 vividly!!

Dab on em!!!! Good times in 2015

Fast forward a year from your comment and it looks like he is done

Being a cam fan but also being a diehard phins fan I remember when patriots signed him I was so torn, I would just tell myself I hope they have a wild card year and he doesn’t play great against us I will be happy. cam never had a chance with a team Brady left.

At least you have Tom Brady

Yeah, that was painful to see.

I'm a falcons fan we always destroy y'all

ViBiN2 Week 17 2014 34-3

ViBiN2 Anythung 38-0 in Carolina

Bro we haven't lost to yall sine 2017 lol

except 28-3

As a Saints fan.....Im so excited and I just cant hide it!!

Same bro

@Hector Rodriguez him and Patrick Willis

Don’t Forget About Former DE Free Agent Who Signed With Carolina From Chicago In 2015 Jared Allen Who Announced His Retirement & Rode Off Into The Sunset On Instagram @ Age 33 One Week After Losing Super Bowl 50 To Denver! 💔😢😭💔

1 year in nfl life is 5 years in regular life

Glad someone will be blunt and call it like it is.. Denver had a lot of help that night. Peyton was flat out garbage in that game and couldn't do anything on Carolina until late when they got demoralized after the offense kept blowing chunks. That missed call on the pass from Newton to Jericho Cotchery in the 1st quarter was flat out horseshit; he had the ball and even the awful CBS dude knew it. That to this day is the angeriest I've ever gotten over a call.. no excuse for it being missed that badly. Sadly it's one of a trend from several of the 2010 decade SB games that refs missed. It's getting too convenient to not spot. If we had been allowed to keep that call we woulda had some momentum on them and we woulda at least got 3 if not 7. If that had happened it woulda been a ball game. Denver knew they had to play dirty because if we had played at our best and smartest we woulda out hit them and eventually wore them down. It doesn't matter how good their D or Miller was they all woulda got broke by the end. We did score with Stewart but that took way too long.. the damage was done. The whole ass kissing spectacle for Peyton and the convenient huddle of cameras there at the end was pathetic. It reems of being sketchy and i honestly couldn't congratulate them at the end because it felt dirty. That whole Super Bowl sucked the mother load.. why they chose San Fran to host it I have no idea. The 50th anniversary ceremony sucked; the halftime show was horrendously bad (Coldplay got pushed to the side for Beyonce and it turned into a propaganda show to boot,) that whole day was a fail from start to end. Carolina got brainwashed by the attention and culture out there too.. all I could see on the local news was Snoop Dogg hanging with them and i got nervous. They got big headed epically and they were doomed even then.

Rigged....rigged....rigged

I have always believed the NFL is rigged to some degree.

Peyton Manning didn't announce his retirement until after the season. So that story never happened

But I do believe Superbowls be rigged

Ditto~!!! Or Vikes with Fran~!!

The Bills lost a close Wild Card game just last year in OverTime to Houston. They have a great opportunity to win the AFC West and make a deep Playoff run this year... IF... The Coronavirus doesn’t wipe out the 2020 NFL Season.

The bills decline is honestly pretty straight forward. Veteran players got too old and the franchise never found replacements for them. After the 4 super bowl appearances , they were still perennial playoff contenders, making the playoffs in 1995, 1996, 1998, and 1999. They even had a 11-5 season in 1999 and were on the verge of defeating eventual AFC champion Tennessee Titans until the music city miracle happened. However, masking all that was the fact that all the veterans that played through the superbowl were seriously aging. Some of them like Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas, and Jim Kelly continued to play decently after the superbowls, but were all aging by that point. Kelly retired after losing the Wild card game in 1996, and Bruce, Andre, and Thurman all left after the 1999 season. All three soon retired after playing just a short while with other teams. It doesn't help that all these players left right when the Brady dynasty began, giving the bills no room to breath in the division.

Sucks to suck!

YuChen Chen they benched their qb Who brought them to the Super Bowl .🤦‍♂️

Yea it was a storm of shitty luck after that super bowl

Mark Butler fax

And Kuechly going out on that stretcher, sad thing to see

Navon Myhand Big fax

Actually it was because of von

Papa Johns ad with Von

Lmaoooooooo

same, i wish him well in NE

Same I loved those Panthers teams

Gonna break your heart when sitdham wins starting job too

corey andreas facts

It’s all good man, they’ll take care of him in NE👍

What isn't mentioned is just how bad the 2015 schedule was. The Panthers played a joke of a schedule. I realize in the NFL, a team can only play who they have in front of them, but that schedule had to be one of the easiest in league history. That Panther team was probably an 11 win team against a typical schedule.

@@knelsud92 I mean the consensus second best team in the NFC lost to those panthers in the playoffs by about 35 points so its kind of a stretch to say they weren't actually as good as they were.... Also had the leagues best offense and second best defense.

You look like Howard sterns disabled nephew

thought ur a raiders fan

Hank Hill Strickland Propane 💀

@@hankhillstricklandpropane4134 😭

@@hankhillstricklandpropane4134 🤣🤣🤣🤣

What id want to see in the video: And from the void came the man, the myth, the legend... Jon Bois. *smooth jazz intensifies Jon: Thanks, I'll take it from here.

They should save this idea for the 1 million subscriber special, but still a good idea

@@michaeltalksfootball9364 i feel when you're a popular youtuber, your audience does 40% of your work

So true.

Felt the same exact energy watching my ravens last year we sure did disappoint in the playoffs but man was the season fun

Hector Rodriguez go pack go

Same here bro, I had my cam, Luke, and Thomas Davis jerseys I alternated every week. The best year of watching the panthers I’ve ever had other than the 03-04 season

I know how you feel! I am an Eagles fan, and, while I was no longer in school during 2017, I was in school during 2004, and I wore an Eagles jersey to school pretty much every Monday. At least you were able to experience such a fun season! Hopefully it won't be too long before you get to experience another!

Let's come back to this comment after his season with the Pats to see if this holds up ;)

@@RyanM12 That's a better way of saying it

Well considering it was a TJ Watt hit that caused Cams most severe and recent injury, and he is currently on a roster, I fail to see how that is the case.

@@RyanM12 Yes - the Broncos defense in 2015 and 2016 gave the blueprint to make Cam Newton a sub par QB. It was like a red flag for every other defense - we just had the personnel for it. It was easy to see - especially after the opening game in 2016 that the whole Panthers organisation would whine when Cam was treated the same as other QB's that loved to leave the pocket . Ex. Tim Tebow had no shortage of teams going hunting in 2011.

Entire career is the most overused phrase

More dark days to come as a panthers fan even though it’s already been pretty bad lmao

At least if does well with the Pats then the Panthers should get some nice compensation pick value. I mean him+Luke Keuchly definitely has to be worth a good amount in the formula.

Jonathan Stewart ran for 989 yards, while averaging 4 yrds a carry. Worn down? That was the first season he had 230 plus carries in his career..... that oline was top notch..... while his receivers weren't the best (they were still ted ginn jr and Devin funchess..... both still in the league btw), he had a top TE in the game in Greg Olsen and an offense to suit his strong points.... not to mention that defense was ridiculously good. He had a great season stat wise sure, but Cam has never been a pure quarterback.... he's always been an extraordinary athlete playing the position

@@dnice2000 J-Stew had a good year in 2015 but it was clear that he was starting to lose a bit of burst before the foot injury. And even at J-Stew's best, Stewart < CMC. I though I mentioned that Cam had Greg Olsen. For some reason, I always forget about Ginn, he was crucial in stretching the field which allowed better running lanes for Cam and Stewart. The Panthers seriously missed Ginn after he left for NO and he was never replaced until Curtis Samuel showed up. There was no doubt that the defense was elite from 2012 to about 2017 but the Panthers needed the offense to carry its weight for the team to reach its full potential.

@@Jpforney agreed, and Cam had a phenomenal year....if you recall the next year they were determined to make cam more of a pocket qb to protect him because teams were laying into him. Once that happened it was a wrap. He's just not a great pocket guy..... switching gears, cmc is far and beyond me than Stewart absolutely! I think the Panthers moving on from Cam was a good move though, acknowledging a much needed rebuild.

😡

Miller didn't happen to Cam. Life happened to Cam. Dude was on top of the world. I remember watching every sports outlet showing him "dab" all the time. He wasn't humble and life taught him a hard lesson. Golden State Warriors are learning that lesson too.

@@csharp57 fax

I'm a Saints fanatic... and I'm waiting for an eventual Saints collapse episode. Sure we have a great defense but they can only do so much. Besides.. after this season.. many players are set to beco.e free agents.

Or the Grand Slam in 2013

The Vikings are just a disappointing team

Though the 2011 Packers didn’t even get to the NFC Championship...

Terry Bogard not so fast, the Niners had one stingy defense that year.

@Master Pancakes Well they weren’t really disappointing? One Gary Anderson kick and they go to the Super Bowl for an epic battle against Elway, Davis, and the Broncos.

@Terry Bogard You guys lost to the 9-7 Giants in the Divisional Round of the 2011 Playoffs. Stfu

They’re improving so I wouldn’t say collapse

@@browmaster2197 they are far from improving sadly. They gave up on a young QB who was playing like a top 10 QB before tearing his MCL, then he rushed back to get destroyed

@Big Noisey he's considerably worse, showed his age, and has a short timeline

@Big Noisey oh 😂 Jacoby played extremely well until TY and everyone started falling to injury, then he went down himself. I wish he hadn't rushed back as fast as he did, he could've been a decent passer. His game was fun to watch

My first season of watching was his rookie year as well. By no means am I a Panthers fan, but watching him as a young kid was cool, and his ability to run as well as pass was unique, and I liked that.

*Forreal tho. He was beating the Panthers drum during the super bowl & everything*

@@Simeautomatic100 He grew up Charlotte, his dad Dee played for the Hornets.

He cried on the field. Everybody knew he wasnt right

It's not if but when

Now that Doug Pederson's been fired, it's all but guaranteed.

Yep

....

You can’t really because they somehow won the superbowl

The kings were still good until 06

@@miscellaneous6263 Yes, it’d be similar to the Pistons collapse. Just with relocation drama at the end of the collapse that led the owners to sell. And made them the most hated men in town.

Braves and Bills, eh. Braves fell into mediocrity, and if you were to do a collapse on them you mind as well do Moneyball. The Bills would be a 25-35 min video. Since you’d probably have to cover some of the playoff drought, and the 5 years of playoff contention. Unless it’s a quick summary of the drought. Then yes The Kings would be fine.

The Sacramento kings episode needs to happen

@@Timestamps_ Yes. And it needs to mention KingsGate, and not just stop at the 17-65 season. Why? Because that’s when the guy that built the team got canned, and the owners that bought the team in the era became hated, and sold. Even if it’s a quick summary from 2009-2013, or hell, 2009-2020 with the trend since like who I consider their former NorCal cousin the Raiders haven’t been good since the early 2000’s.

dude i want a footy vid so bad

You a pat mcafee fan huh

@@TerbNoteldnep yessur

Bret Pendleton nah mate I’m from Western Australia

This sounds wild.

I feel your pain as a Phillies fan lol

miguel cabrera, victor martinez, and jd martinez too

The pain... 😭

SB nation punch us Detroit fans in the mouth with the Redwings collapse, The kicked us in the jewels with the Pistons collapse they might as well finish it off with Tigers collapse of the 2006- 2014

*Never had a good receiving core or offensive line last a whole season without injury. He had some good cores, had some good o-lines. They all suffered injuries. And when the injuries happened, it's almost like we decided to pack it in and bet everything on everyone being healthy the next year. I'll give you that we didn't go out searching for talent, but it's not like the Panthers did absolutely nothing for Cam. It's unfortunate, and as a Panthers fan it sucks, but we didn't just shaft this man his whole career.

He does now an he is still dumpster juice scam pootin

@@jamesharper1023 what receivers do the patriots have?

@@xDqnce No one who cam compare with Gronk or make up for the fact that Cam's head is still rattling from his hits in Atlanta in 2016.

@@jamesharper1023 Jakobi Meyers? Damiere Byrd? NKeal Harry? Julian Edelman? Those are not weapons...

Sorry he used all his catches for the jets🤣

The Bears made the playoffs with 11 or more wins in five of the six seasons after 1985. What would he say about them, that their QB couldn't stay healthy, so they kept losing in the playoffs, and then they finally got old in 1992?

Ditka himself admitted that he never won anything without Buddy Ryan (and vice versa). It was a lightening in a bottle season for Chicago and while they remained competitive for the rest of the decade, there were more balanced and stable teams in San Francisco, New York, and Washington that made up the elite class in the NFC.

Ariwhooo? Time card fraud.. most of you are supposedly on the clock working from home.. .. anywhoo.. 1991 redskins wow what a year.. Fox Sports Ranks 1991 Redskins As The Greatest Super Bowl Team Ever--Never forget..

Larry's only real chance was in 2008.

He still has a chance this year. But on Atlanta's side Julio's chance has been slipping away since 2017.

And the teams both the Falcons and Panthers lost to are the Patriots and Broncos

@@SminkingDoctor *wow!!!! That's crazy!*

Jonathan Dee The One And Only my favorite “stat” from football

Yeah the falcons and panthers lost to the same 2 teams just in reverse order It was Broncos then Pat's for the falcons And Pat's and then Broncos for the Panthers

who is the 3rd team

Absolutely agree. Cam was having an MVP-caliber season before T.J. Watt messed up his shoulder on that hit

Officially, he's had 2 concussions. That injury in 2017 was never actually diagnosed as one. And he played all 16 games the last 2 seasons. But I think last year just broke him. They forced him into that hybrid 3-4 defense which typically relies on bigger, stronger ILBs instead of rangy sideline to sideline guys like Kuechly, and then they continued to insist on playing that defense even after losing their best lineman in Short and only real NT in Poe. Kuechly was getting hammered by offensive linemen on every play because the defensive line was terrible. And in addition to having to be the primary run-stopper, he was at worst the 3rd best cover guy on the team depending on how Bradberry and Boston were playing on a given day. Dude just got sick of playing football, and I honestly can't say I blame him.

I have to expect he was just pissed off to be forced to shoulder the mistakes of our D-Line after Rivera (Tepper?) forced that switch to the hybrid 4-3 defense. That whole season was just Luke chasing down people he should never have even had to worry about.

@@cannedpeachez On paper, they actually had a really good group of personnel to run both schemes as long as nobody got hurt. But Short was absolutely critical as the only guy who could legitimately swing between 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE and be a force in both. As soon as he went down, they should've just given up anything to do with a 3-man front.

As a Panthers fan, I'm curious why you think they are the last franchise anyone would want to see do well.

Cam averaged like 7 yards a carry that game. And for some reason, they did not take advantage of that and run the ball with Cam. Even with how the offense was performing, with good play calling that game was salvageable for the Panthers.

copper4eva if they had a good OC like Doug Pederson they may have won that game. Panthers got out coached hard by Kubiak and Wade Phillips