Because the loser can't play defense at all. He scored that many points because be scored in garbage time when we were losing. He scored 101 points while having negative +/-. That should be impossible

What have you done? Exactly whose the real loser SHARKS FAN. Imagine@@rockerrock328

@@rockerrock328The Sharks are not good at defense at all. Hopefully Karlsson’s defensive skills will improve on the Pens. The Sharks lack of defensive talent is why the goalies are getting worn out and allowing so many goals. It’s not about just one player, it’s the entire team that lacks in defense. It’s just non-existent for the SJS.

​@@kreggie891if Karlsson hasn't learned to play good defense in the first 14 years he's been in the NHL, he's not going to learn it ever. He's already got his playstyle set in stone.

​@@kreggie891😂😂😂😂😂 hes a failed wing player with no place to put him but right defenceman. Even his national team knows this. Hes a bum

Pavs staying would not have mattered. Doug Wilson did that awful Karl trade when Pavs was still on the team. The team was going downward anyway with Wilson in charge.

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants I disagree on pavs staying wouldn’t have mattered. The sharks always looked light on scoring forwards since Pavelski left and Karlsson’s contract made fixing that nearly impossible. Not once have I ever thought “ya know the sharks could really use another offensive defenseman”. I think to say Pavelski wouldn’t have mattered greatly underrates how valuable he was to the sharks in terms of both leadership and scoring. In my mind that is the exact mistake DW made. I agree the decline of the sharks was inevitable but it’s too much a of a coincidence to think the same year Pavelski leaves the sharks fall off a cliff and his new team shocks everyone by going to the finals. I’m not saying the sharks would have won a Stanley cup but they certainly would have made the playoffs again and we all know anything can happen if you make the playoffs.

@@monkeychife When a GM starts trading 1st rounders for rental players the team either wins the cup or they start to decline. Giving out 8 year contracts is generally very foolish and Doug Wilson did that too and Hertl got one from him when the team was already awful. The team would be better with Pavs but they were not going to win a cup anyway so you should rebuild. Most teams waste their cap room on purpose when they have no shot at a cup win when they could trade that cap room for prospects instead.

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants I would argue the sharks would have gotten better value trading Pavelski than trading karlsson in addition to better production on the team. In addition to that the sharks would already be free of his cap if we gave him the rumored contract. The lower value and better production is far easier to trade and should by all logic equal better return. Even if the sharks only got one extra playoff run out of pavs staying it wouldn’t matter because the sharks didn’t have their 2020 pick anyway. You can’t really say take neither either because the sharks were expected to be a good team in 2019-20. To be fair there are still assets to play and it’s to early to call what Karlssons return fully is. However, unless the penguins pick works out amazing it’s looking like more of a cap dump. I would love to be wrong but time will tell.

@@monkeychife When you are rebuilding you do not want to be giving out contracts like that with the hopes to flip them. Most players who make over 6 mill have no trade clauses that only hurt the team that signed them in trying to trade them for more later. Had Karl just loved it in SJ he could have refused every trade which would have been even worse for the sharks as a team. Giving any player 8 years is usually foolish but there is exceptions. Karl was 29 or something and Pavs was 35 at the time and the sharks were going to decline no matter what. Had Karl left Doug Wilson would have been made fun of for trading 2 firsts and a 2nd for a rental player. Most players around 35 decline too. Pavs first stars contract he could only be traded to 3 teams. That is not the kind of contract you expect to trade him to profit. That is the type of contract you plan to win the cup with him there. "You can’t really say take neither either because the sharks were expected to be a good team in 2019-20. " Winning the cup is the goal not being a good team who can't even reach the cup again. With the new Hertl contract the delusion that the sharks could even be a winning team was way over. A smart GM would have tried to trade Hertl to one of the 3 teams he could be traded to or convince him to waive his no trade clause. Before Hertl was even making 6 mill a year he still had so much leverage in the deal that he put he could only be traded to 3 teams. It is not as bad a GM agreeing to that when they are trying to win the cup with them. As of his new contract the 8 mill is just wasted. The Sharks could have done a cap dump trade where they trade that 8 mill for two 3rd round picks or two or 1 2nd rounder or even 1 first. and they could get prospects like that all 8 years. Hertl is still a point every other game type player but I would rather get two 3rd rounders from another team at minimum each season instead of Hertl who will not help the sharks win anything.

The sharks were not going to be good even had Pavs stayed.

Even just from a value perspective, the Sharks would have gotten such a haul for Pavelski in the last few years.

@@DarkLobster69 He would have been worth way way less on the sharks though since his point production would be way lower.

Pavelski wouldn't do a damn thing on this team. Would drag his numbers down. Don't forger he's on a Dallas team that has alot of talent.

Yes, that was the decision that killed the Sharks. Our doom can literally be traced to that one decision. Because no matter how good he is on the ice, Pete DeBoer said he was even more important in the locker room. During road to the Stadium Series documentary you saw some of that. Us losing our Captain, our leader on & off the ice, doomed us. We have yet to recover.

I wish Vlasic would retire or demand a trade.

Dominate? They had the much talent and couldn’t even get a Stanley cup. They’ve always been trash

That was already the beginning of the end. The real golden era was the Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Clowe, Boyle, Murray, Vlasic, Nabokov days. That team was my childhood and so fun to watch, only team to truly adopt san jose and make it a hockey town for a while. Might not be the ones that got to the cup but they dominated the west for a decade just never had that final push. Cant even blame them for going all in 2016 since everyone knew it was the only chance to have jumbo and patty hoist the cup together but the damn pens got in the way.

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants absolutely nobody is taking on that contract and if he retirres we still eat the cap. At least he was a sharks legend for a while and its sad to see where he and us are at now

Selänne!

I almost cried when we came so close to drafting Zadina.....he was taken one pick before us, we took this kid called Quinn Hughes

As a sharks fan. Everything hurts extra hard

Why does this hurt? He sucks. It should only make you feel better knowing yzerman helped get rid of this trash

In all fairness, he’s been up and down the lineup mostly just to try to find something that works. It’s not entirely on him

Should hurt much more when the local Detroit kid 1 pick down wasn't taken by Detroit. That local kid is challenging for the Norris this year. To be honest, I was mad when the Wings took Zadina as I thought he would go No.3 that year and almost fell to the Nucks at No.7. Glad the Wings took him and we got one of the Hughes brothers instead.

It’s rough right now but soon the young players will develop and the team will be good again

He’s actually looked good this season and improved the 2nd line when he moved down the lineup.

He’s on the 4th line

Get ready those days are coming back soon

@@davidkruse4030 Yes, sooner or later, the Pens will have to be in a re-building mode when the older players finally retire.

I don’t believe the team will struggle this much the whole season. Couture and Barabanov will be back eventually, and hopefully they can help Hertl to score more. This roster also has 5 players 24 and under. And many other unproven/adjusting players. Both of their goalies have shown excellent play before, so eventually, they could make some return to form. But yikes this team is bad.

@@DarkLobster69 Yes, I agree. Couture and Barabanov are good players and I think the Sharks will be better once those two players return to the lineup.

What do you think their record will be at the end of the season?

​@@jere.nurkka You tell us

@@Ugly5872 11-64-7

They'll be lucky to crack 20 wins this season

@@jere.nurkka mmm🤔 nor sure, they'll win between 10-17 games.. I'm calling for 13 wins.. most of them will come after ( if it happens) the coaching change though.. teams always get a bit of a burst and refocusing after a coaching change.. but the outcome of the season will stay the same

Yeah that last Hertl contract really set back the very necessary rebuild. The team would be much farther along with the assets they could have gotten for him at the 2022 TDL.

Step 1 : still a lot of vets to pick up in free agency. Step 2 : get any NHL decent players other team wanna get rid of for non illegal reasons. Step 3 : pounce on waivers Step 4 : make calls to all important stats leaders in pro European leagues. Step 5 : call young retirees. Enjoy winning maybe 5 more games.

I don't think it's just a player personnel issue. It's like the Sharks players are completely tuned out. The game vs the Nucks where Kuzmenko accidentally ran into Kappanen is the perfect example. Not a single one of the Sharks players noticed or bothered to come and check on their injured goalie. It was a Nucks player who checked on the Sharks goalie to see if he was alright. Entire Sharks team seems to be mindless zombies right now.

yup....he successfully destroyed the team. Imagine being the biggest change in one season is you getting the contract and Pavs leaving. Every major player like Couture, Hertl, Meier and the rest of the core group stayed...yet - they went from being the top 3 team in the Western Conference to last. One season. The difference, the EK contract and Pavs.

Thanks to those trades they could potentially have loads of cap space next season. Unless they go full sharks and offer Labanc an 8 year 8m dollar extension

Yeah the Sharks have around $27 million coming off the books in free cap space this summer along with potentially 3 first round picks so as dark as it is for the team right now, it will eventually start getting better once the season is over.

@@danynumero6 Thanks for the elaboration. If they buy out Pickles and are able to trade Couture while eating a big chunk of his salary, that would be great.

@@marinrealestatephotography I honestly hope that they keep Couture, but I completely agree about Vlasic. I love the player he used to be, but he is just a shell of his former self now and his contract just looks worse every game. I can definitely see them buying him out after this season.

​@@danynumero6the value of Couture is in his playoffs performance numbers. Hopefully he can find a spot where he gets another chance at a cup. He thrives when he's in the playoffs. I will miss that because I don't see the Sharks in the mix for a few more seasons.

San Jose, no question

Wilson was traumatized from losing to those Ducks teams with Pronger and Niedermeyer. He bet on Karlsson when Pavelski should’ve been the priority.

@@MrVisde I agree and I was attacked every damn time that I mentioned it in the Sharks' Reddit group lol. Their window was definitely closing, but if they let Karlsson walk and kept their depth and picks, I don't think the fall would have been as quick. They probably would've been a wild card team for two more seasons.

I agree with you 👍 There's no team morale

haha it all worked out in the end

To me, the craziest part of the karlsson trade to SJ was that no one expcected the sharks to be the loser in that scenario Your biggest problem was not investing in a reliable goaltender The last quality one that the sharks had was nabokov and then after that it kinda became a revolving door Martin Jones, unfortunately, couldn’t make up for when the defense started to crumble and he got exposed really badly

@@zaneps151 Trading a 2 firsts for a rent a player and you do not win the cup and one of the picks becomes #3 overall is insanity. Wilson did not even top 10 protect the pick like the Pens just did with the sharks. Jones regressed personally and it was not just the defense getting worse.

As an outsider looking in it was always a mystery to me how Doug Wilson stayed employed after so many bad decisions.

@@jeffhembd9471 It was because he helped the sharks stay a winning team for a long time and one of his sharks teams was 2 wins away from a cup win. The problem was he was trading 1st round picks for rental players and doing silly cap moves trying to hold on to keep the sharks a winning team when the team should have been rebuilding.

No shit dummy. They all went to contenders, and if you think firing the GM in year two of a rebuild is the right move this just shows how little brain cells you have.

At $11.5 per...100% knew it wasn't going to end well.

Yes.

Petey, Hughes, Garland, Demko, Boeser, Kuzmenko

Except that they went to the cup final in '16. I get it, it's just a troll comment

their downfall really started after they lost the wcf to st louis in 2019

@@scottcalloway4630 Fully recovered is winning it all, bubba.

@@ltg27 The 2019 WCF loss to the St. Louis Blues is the final nail of the San Jose Sharks' mighty underachieving coffin between 1994 and 2019.

I used to think and be "Sharks for Life", too... but they are a bad investment of money, time, emotion, and effort. They get a glimmer of success (2016-2019), but this franchise needs a major house cleaning to be worthwhile. Until then, they do not deserve your adoration.

and they got rid of hertle now... there is no OG player left except pickles and couture from the good years

Yes. It might be just barely with this rate. But I think they will.

Timo will get there for you, don't lose faith in him.

two 10 goal games against already? That's not Unlucky, that's Atrocious.

Refs didn’t knock in 4 in 4 minutes. Bad call yes but you shit yourselves get over it you have a cup and still salty

Pavs didn't dive you fool. Allowing 4 goals on the PK was your downfall.

That wound really cut deep didn't it. Still living rent free in the minds of golden shower fans to this day must be tough.

Pavs dived for? Are you legally blind? Imagine being up 3-0 in game 7 and 2 players on your own team push a guy without the puck on accident when they do not have to and causing him to bleed and get hurt. If I was a knights fan I would have been so upset at both of them since neither needed to touch Pavs in the first place. If 2 sharks did that to a knights player, I would be fine with a 5 min major. Some of you should go back to the videos of that game and see almost no knights fans in the comments are even mad at the 2 knights players for doing that to Pavs when neither needed to in the first place. Plus during that same series the refs gifted the knights game 2 I believe and no knights fans ever bring that up.

​@@michaelcraig1650we have the one thing you don't have a Stanley cup banner the only reason why you got that power play because he dived you will never get to troll with that power play ever ever again its because of that diver bs a new rule was put in place

What a dumb ass comment from a new hockey fan

@@brandonthorpe5869it’s a knights fan they are all like this

Another successful affirmative action hire story.

You both are fools.

They were shaite long before a black GM was hired.

It isn’t Mike Grier who’s at fault, he’s the one who’s trying to turn it around. Doug Wilson on the other hand is the guy who decided to throw around 8 year deals like nothing. He gave half of the salary cap of the sharks to three defensemen all in their mid thirties (Karlson, burns, Vlasic) which didn’t pan at to anything and Vlasic’s contract has to be on the worst in the entire league since he is beyond washed. Grier is trying to unfuck the situation Doug Wilson put the Sharks in.

You know this OP does not know anything about the sharks if he is blaming Grier for what Doug Wilson did.