Ditto

One jammed fan can kill the submarine. Is that correct?

@@benchapple1583 If its job is to keep the battery banks from overheating, potentially yes.

@@lesigh1749 I don't doubt you, but for God sake is there no redundancy in a 8 billion dollar submarine? Aircraft normally have triple redundancy for critical systems (defined as failure can kill the plane). Your car's brake system has double redundancy by law. Well, thanks for the response- you learn something new every day.

@@benchapple1583 There likely are redundancies, but whether they are working or not is another matter. Even the worlds biggest navies are often running on a "make do and mend" basis. you have to remember these vessels are always manufactured by the lowest bidder.

I have K129? On a list but not got anywhere close to it yet. 👍🏻

The cruelty of the military to their dependants has no limits.

@@sjb3460 Not much choice on the Navy's part. Had to maintain secrecy. That doesn't explain nowadays though.

@@clayz1 Good observation, the secrecy and confidential nature of sub-warfare would take precedence over family matters.

UFO mission for sure. Paul turner from pine gap had that intel it was UFO’s based on the night he said he heard the calls from the sub

😅 they were like maybe 20 mil ain’t so bad after all

The battery cover is pretty damning evidence on its own, even if we don't know the exact conditions or procedures the crew followed when it happened. I'm not surprised the military doesn't want to straight up admit anything, militaries tend to be like that. Especially during the cold war I'm sure they didn't want to cast any shred of doubt on themselves either. Not just because of bad PR, but also because any information they release the enemy might try to use against them in ways they possibly haven't thought of.

They were being cheap. They lost the crew and the boat because they were being cheap, and they know it.

Same disease in any bureaucratic system: Poseurs who have never been there, or done that, issuing policy on both. Honest folks pay the price for it.

As my late dad used to say: "Steep climbers, deep divers and skaters on ice aren't very wise." - Add to that authority of a couple of four star Scrooge McDucks and you know that people will die needlessly. I'm sure that they did very little to quell those conspiracy theories.

They were 2 lucky ducky cats!

Angels were guiding them.

Oh wow ur so insightful

@@Trebelsi Um, thanks I guess.

and the blame game it tried with USS Bonhomme Richard

Might be? The sub was located quickly because of it.

Yes there's a lot that's not known. Three mystery makes it even more intriguing

☺️ thanks for watching

USN sailors pronounce "Rota, Spain" as "Row-ta".

Amen. His voice is loud, clear, and not drowned out by other things. Very well researched as well. Definitely one of my favorites😊

Agreed. I concur that this does not suffer from the all two common overdubbed music drowning out the narrator issue.

The Thresher was the first of her class. After she went down, they renamed the entire class from the Thresher to the Permit class.

Thanks for sharing. Interesting to hear. 👌🏻

Kittery Maine\Portsmouth Naval shipyard?

Seems like it to me. Although not my theory. I'm not clever enough to come up with that. 😀

Except that that battery was not in its torpedoes.

It was later discovered they knew about the battery issue. They also tried to keep the Scorpion from being discovered. Coverup all the way.

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Coffee or Tea???

Thanks, it's great to get that kind of feedback👌🏻

Thanks, I appreciate that. This is the aim but certainly some mistakes along the way. Thanks again

😀 thanks. Great too see you back here

i thought it sounded a lot too!

@@billynomates920 Same... 6.6KT would be quite an explosion! By comparison, the Hiroshima bomb was about 15KT. I don't think the implosion of the Scorpion would yield anything close to half the explosive force of the Hiroshima bomb.

Maybe it was the force of the vast natural sea pressure crumpling the manmade soda can

Yes. 6.6kt is impossible. But it is easy to make this mistake. Kiloton is a pretty overused term when talking about explosions and like. Anyway great video.

You’re absolutely correct. This is from the actual report. Over the following 21m, 50s, SCORPION sank vertically at an average of 0.36 m/s (0.7 knots) to collapse (implode) at 18:42:34 GMT at a depth of 466m (1530-feet) in 37milliseconds (ms), 1/27th of a second, with an energy release equal to the explosion of 6000 kg (13,200 lbs) of TNT created by the essentially instantaneous conversion of potential energy ((sea pressure of 46.3 bars (680 psi)) to kinetic energy, the motion of the water-ram which entered the SCORPION pressure-hull with an estimated average velocity of about 900 m/s (2000 mph). It was this compressive force that “telescoped” after sections of the pressure-hull, moving frame 90 forward to frame 67 ((a distance of 17.27m (56.66 feet)) at an average velocity of 467 m/s (1044 mph). The Engineering Spaces telescoped into the Auxilliary Machinery Space (AMS) and Reactor Compartment because of the failed transition joints in the AMS. This action produced an average applied force 643 times normal gravity (643g). (The estimated final velocity was 915m/s (3,000f/s / 2045mph). The estimated final g-force was 2,500g. This calculation by a consulting engineer is consistent with the conclusion that the still-articulated human body sighted in the debris field was neither within the pressure-hull nor the after escape trunk when SCORPION collapsed.

Yes we are better off sticking to Uber eats driver jobs, agreedo amigo! 👍

Who doesn't love a good mystery👌🏻

after finding thresher you mean, scorpion is nowhere near the titanic

@@theq4602 Think Thresher is closer to home. Scorpion is on the standard route home from a Mediterranean cruise. It's within a day travel by the search ship from Titanic if I remember right. Ballard had the Titanic in mind from the start if he had enough time left on the ship rental

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all the videos are like this absolutely awesome channel!

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👍🏻 thanks. Good feedback to get

😂 I'll have to find a muddy story for you.

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Not likely since the Navy doesn't name their subs that way anymore. I liked it better when they did, but I agree with you. Not that I'm superstitious of course; it's bad luck to be superstitious.

Subs are named after cities

@samholdsworth420 they are? What about boomers and Virginia class and seawolf class? And i guess they'll never change the naming criteria ever again huh?

They were 2 scorpion contraptions?

@fidelcatsro6948 yes. Well, 2 submarines and one schooner in the 1800's. Sadly, both submarines were lost with all hands. The Skipjack class nuclear boat in i believe 1968, and the Gato class boat in 1944. The Gato class Scorpion was presumed to have been mined in the yellow sea, so likely not an accident like they believe the Skipjack boat was.

Amazing. 👌🏻 Thanks

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Thanks, that's great to hear

I suppose it's possible but I don't think the condition of the wreck is consistent with that theory. Remember that the stern section has part the adjacent compartment telescoped into it. This would indicate that the stern was full of air and water pressure pushed the other compartment backwards into the stern. If the propeller shaft failed then the stern would have flooded first and water would have been pushing the adjacent compartment forwards and away from the stern.

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He already did.

@@wickets Ya I forgot. I have seen that one before 😅

Imagine how much sealife got radioactive damage from these manmade pollutants

​@@fidelcatsro6948 next to nothing when compared with the radioactive leftovers at Bikini. Took many decades before it was even safe to visit. At least this was an accident.

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Found one source, admittedly on Quora: dude claims to be Retired USN CDR, sub-qualified and says "When the [T]hresher imploded the bubble pulse expend [sic] the energy of about 25,000 pounds of TNT". So about 12.5 tons. So kT sounds a little large.

@@yellowrose0910 I absolutely won't claim to know how to calculate the energy, just thought it sounded like it was orders of magnitude off given what an underwater nuclear detonation looks like.

Must be a mistake. 6.6 tons of TNT (still a lot!) sounds more reasonable.

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@@waterlinestories Well it looks handsome on ya 👍👍

😀 thanks mate.

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Thats another big cover up i guess..even my cat couldve heard an aircraft crashing inyo sea

Sure we can, but you need to revover the 3rd node sub first to gather data😂😂

The pre-heat and post-heat during welding of HY-80 I was told was very important. I worked on the ffg-7 frigates, and that is the steel used during construction.

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😂 thanks. Maybe one day. I try to focus on the stories.

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Naaaaah those are good as plastic cups

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More likely, if that had been the case, the shaft would have ended up quite further away from the rest of the wreckage on the sea floor. Remember, the shaft and screw are rotating at that time. Plus, the damage to the aft section actually matches up with the shaft being shot out like that. One thing I find interesting that I dont see being discussed very much anywhere is the obvious damage to the lower aft section of the sail. It's like a huge bite was taken out of it. This is not the location of the battery--it is lower in the hull and if I recall right, further aft. This damage is huge, and it cannot be explained by a battery explosion or a torpedo issue in the forward torpedo room--neither of which are located where this damage occurred. The USN report noted that the #2 periscope and two antennas were in the raised position at the top of the sail. This could indicate that the sub was at periscope depth at the time of whatever event took place.

Small?? Are you kidding..99 crews

​@@fidelcatsro6948 A quick search reveals most modern subs have ~120-~150 crew. And just look at the sub: while yes it's not a midget submarine it's *tiny*.

Some post ww2 diesel electric subs were purposely designed utilizing the experiential Albacore shaped hull ; were precursors to the hull shape of Skipjack class subs.

@@thomaskrug6161 The statement made was that diesel powered subs have an advanced hull design, which is nonsensical given that diesel powered subs have been in use since WW1and are still in use today. And USS Scorpion was neither 1st of its class, nor the 1st to combine nuclear propulsion with the teardrop hull. A more accurate statement would have been that Scorpion was ONE OF the first submarines to combine nuclear propulsion with a new (or advanced) high-speed hull design. You still get the buzzwords in without being factually inaccurate. This is not the 1st video where nonsense statements, or inaccuracies have slipped through either.

​@@grimmig13okay amigo youre hired to design my new nuclear powered Toyota superbike 😺👍

Technically speaking, it was actually the second of its class to do so, but the statement is not inaccurate. The hull design was tested on USS Albacore--a diesel powered submarine, which was commissioned in 1953. USS Skipjack was the first nuclear sub to use the hull design. Skipjack was commissioned about 15 months before Scorpion was. And it was "the advanced hull design of a diesel powered submarine"--that being Albacore. So, you're complaining why, exactly?

@@jonnycomfort9271 So, let me get this straight... you agree that Scorpion was not the first of it's class, but saying that it is is *not inaccurate* ... USS Albacore was never mentioned in context of the "advanced hull design of a diesel powered submarine", a statement which, on its own, is a nonsensical statement given that diesel subs have been in use since WW1 - as mentioned before. I am complaining because a documentary channel has repeatedly made nonsensical statements or given incorrect information, seemingly for sake of sounding professional, rather than focusing on delivery of factually correct information.

seawater and batteries is BOOM ,,torpedo problems ,,rubbish hole ..I bet it isn't like that now ,,Smarter Everyday spent 3 days on one of the new ones ,,Lotsa secret stuff blurred,,Way safer if civis can cruise on them ,,,Um , i think Diana got a daytrip,,(physics girl)

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i lived on it (and under it) for 8 years. long moments of boredom and discovery and awesomeness, separated by short moments of terror. all in all, VERY worth the experience.

@@TheBoatPirate My old man was in the Merchant Navy. His stories were more than enough to convince me to stay on dry land.

@@FreeFinca to each his own ya know. makin yer money on the ocean frequently forces you to ignore the warnings the ocean gives when you live with it, the time you spend gettin booty whacked by mother ocean drops significantly. she teaches well if the lessons are heeded.

@@TheBoatPirate Getting booty whacked has been added to my list of reasons not to be on or in the sea! 🤣

Yep

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In retrospect, yes… But hindsight is 2020 and I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time

Thanks for the feedback. Hard to tell sometimes when it sounds fine on headphones and computer speakers. 👌🏻

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The navy wanted to check upon the condition of those wrecks, and Alvin was the replacement for the Trieste II.

Well they couldn't exactly just come out & tell the taxpayers "we're going to throw a fuckton of money at finding Titanic."

Several reasons. They wanted to see if the nuclear reactors were affecting the environment. They were also looking for any evidence that the Soviets might have found and explored the wrecks (and to make sure all of Scorpion's nuclear armed torpedoes were still accounted for). Lastly Dr. Ballard had better technology so it was possible to do a more thorough examination of the wrecks than before.