How this machine transformed our capability overnight

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How this machine transformed our capability overnight

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DarkAero, Inc

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@BreakingBarriers2DIY 4 ай бұрын

Visibly vibrating with excitement as he shows us this machine. LOL So awesome.

@rolandotillit2867 4 ай бұрын

Start keeping track of parts and versions on spreadsheets, once you start machining stuff yourself, you need a good way to keep track of all the stuff you forgot you made. You never know when a previous version can help you out in the future. Often I look at previous work with current eyes and I get new insights looking at what I did. It helps when you know why you do something because you were the one that did it.

@LTVoyager 4 ай бұрын

Spreadsheets are not a good way to do this. It isn’t that hard to start out with a real database that is much more capable, reliable and provides much greater query and reporting tools.

@triedproven9908 4 ай бұрын

For this size of manufacturing a spreadsheet is fine. For medium and large scale you are right.

@Dasman5624 4 ай бұрын

Good advice. But this is not they're first machine. I'm pretty sure they have a process nailed down.

@benbro8287 4 ай бұрын

@@triedproven9908 i would suggest using something like git as a versioning database . should be as easy to use as a spreadsheet even for small scale manufacturing.

@wwjohnnymaydo 3 ай бұрын

Take a look at the documentation on their website for this kit. They are leagues ahead of any other kit manufacturer for how they are handling things like this.

@finnbaseley 4 ай бұрын

Would love to hear more about the state of ground testing and your plans for flight testing!

@DarkAeroInc 4 ай бұрын

Currently setting up the main gear drop test. We are excited to share more on that soon!

@Coldlegend214 4 ай бұрын

the fact that we can see what's going on every step of the way is awesome!

@OhHeyTrevorFlowers 4 ай бұрын

As a Haas user I'm happy to see some local competition move up-market. Haas nickel and dime me to death to turn on software features and they generally don't care unless your shop runs many large machines. Keep it up, Tormach! Make Haas worry.

@koolguyson 4 ай бұрын

@@abel4776 Haas was doing this before F1.

@starbrightpools 4 ай бұрын

congrats on the new 1500mx Tormach. wicked machine!

@LordHolley 4 ай бұрын

Very cool, I think tormach makes some really nice entry-level units. Nice to see they're making some bigger more commercial units as well now.

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

Thanks! We're getting there.

@bread8176 4 ай бұрын

Congrats on the new capital! It's so exciting to see this project progress

@Noble909 4 ай бұрын

Super cool that you guys have the first one!

@flyzeyefab 4 ай бұрын

Very cool stuff you've got going on! Looking forward to one day owning our own machine someday. Thanks for the video!

@gregoryh4601 4 ай бұрын

Like to add many years ago I ran a very large Milling Centers and came up with an Idea to safe One hour milling time. So Dark Aero when you up and ready for Production. Add more vises to you Lathe and number them 1 Vise 2Vise 3Vise then you ready to Save Time and make Money. Also for your coolant and air also to help chips removing. Riley take care miss chatting. Peace Brothers. Greg of Ohio

@PetesGuide 4 ай бұрын

Effing serial number ONE !!! (Personally, I would have held out for S/N 007…) You guys have clearly made a 3-point landing pulling that off. Congratulations!

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

Nothing a Sharpie can't fix.

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

I've actually been informed that Dark Aero does have SN: MI10007. So technically it is 007. Maybe time to buy some tuxedos.

@LordHolley 4 ай бұрын

@@tormachinc well now you're going to have to make it to James Bond special, lol.

@PetesGuide 4 ай бұрын

@@tormachinc I am humbled that your official account responded to such a flippant comment. Hopefully one of these days I’ll get my nascent channel off the ground and be doing cool enough stuff to warrant buying one of your machines.

@PetesGuide 4 ай бұрын

@@tormachinc This is an awesome idea. Tuxedo for the test pilot’s first flight, and tuxes for all three brothers on their first flights! Will Tormach be there for the big day?

@marcosmota1094 4 ай бұрын

Sweet machine! I'm been following machining YTbers for 5+ years and I can really appreciate what you have! Grimsmo did tours of Miltera and TORNOS and those machines were sick...you guys definitely upped your game with the changer, tool offset and more efficient cleaning. [Your] tolerances and parts uniformity will be on point. Happy for you guys, team, and families.

@weldmachine 4 ай бұрын

I'm sure we will see a fair few older model Tormach Mills hitting the market as many would be wanting to upgrade. The new machine seems to have everything that was missing from previous models. Decent size travels, and through spindle coolant is a big plus. A few other things have also been improved on including an easier way to remove chips from inside the machine. It looks like a nice machine that many guys out their will be dying to get their hands on 👍

@tomcoryell 4 ай бұрын

I am happy for any process improvements you guys have made and will make. It’s exciting to watch.

@n176ldesperanza7 4 ай бұрын

It's great that you are obviously well-funded, which will help ensure you reach your goals. Can't wait to read about the flying aircraft.

@user-ny2bx8ez1c 4 ай бұрын

Awesome upgrade!

@AndreUchoaUSA 4 ай бұрын

Very happy for you, guys! Great asset. Make good use of it!

@jbrownson 4 ай бұрын

Nice, looks like a great machine for you guys, keep us posted on how it's working for you

@eaerickson 4 ай бұрын

I really enjoy watching your videos. I am following your progress and videos make it so much more engaging. My desire to put a deposit down increases with each new one that comes out.

@FabienCournoyer 4 ай бұрын

This project is going great! I love your motivation and dedication to push forward! General aviation hasn't changed much in the past 50 years or so,m and I hope people like you help shape a brighter future for GA. Many people have failed, but some did succeed (Take Van's for example). History is not meant to be repeated. I give you the best of luck (and my support) to succeed!

@GaryL3803 Ай бұрын

Vans is in Chapter 11 reorganization. My sincere hopes that DarkAero succeeds.

@TheRangerBob 4 ай бұрын

Cool beans! Slowly, methodically approaching that first flight.

@clydecessna737 4 ай бұрын

Congratulations.

@IvanMidwing 4 ай бұрын

Nice work guys!!

@nathansymborski9268 2 ай бұрын

Hey Dark Aero - I have a question about your carbon fiber frame. You are aware of the effects of lightning on carbon fiber and how it can shatter the material, hence why the Boeing 787 engineers layered a lightning absorbing material on the airframe over the carbon fiber composite material they used for that jet. I’m not sure if you intend on making this aircraft IFR certified or if it should not be flown if chances of lightning remain anywhere among one of its flight paths. If you DO plan on making this plane IFR certified, how do you guys plan on dealing with the lightning problem?

@kevinkillsit 4 ай бұрын

wait what!!!! hell yeah, so excited, I'm in the market for a new machine and I will have to check this out

@ericsandberg3167 4 ай бұрын

This new 1550 Tormach s one sweet machine. Looking forward to seeing you guy making lots of chips.

@WhereNerdyisCool 4 ай бұрын

Interesting choice with the Tormach. I haven't read a lot of happy comments from owners of their CNC equipment

@wyo_garage20 3 ай бұрын

You must not be watching or reading much. I can find 20+ in 30 seconds that are perfectly happy with their machine. There are generally two sides, the ones that scraped enough together to start a business or hobby machine and are perfectly happy, or the other side that work for someone that’s spent 6 figures on machines for them to use and think they are gods gift to machining. There’s no shame in running a Tormach

@kinglouiesshed8995 4 ай бұрын

Not the machine i was expecting but all the better. Showing quality parts can be made on machines in the realm of smaller companies 👍🏼🤛🏼

@ghostface1304 4 ай бұрын

Congratz guys! Very exciting!

@DarkAeroInc 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Max!

@greenmoxy 4 ай бұрын

That landing gear reminds me a lot of an automatic bimini top on a boat. The fuse is interesting, it's design to pop and then resets after a few seconds.

@JerryRigEverything 4 ай бұрын

you lucky lucky dawgs.

@brandons9138 4 ай бұрын

Make sure to keep an eye on your coolant concentrations. With thru spindle coolant things can get clogged up pretty easily. Keeping your coolant concentrations at the right levels helps keep things from gumming up.

@triedproven9908 4 ай бұрын

That's a nice cnc. Looks like they really streamlined it.

@randominternet5586 4 ай бұрын

Awesome - congrats - good timing on the purchase - serial number 1! Haha. I had thought you might go to a haas to get some chip removal and automation if needed.

@UHLASKAGUY907 4 ай бұрын

pretty sure they are sponsored and I doubt they spent a penny on it. They deserve it though, showing how such a machine can be used in the hands of capable individuals. If they aren't sponsored, they should be.

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

@@UHLASKAGUY907 It's not a sponsorship. They're beta testers. We'll be going over to test the accuracy of the parts. Plus it helps that we're big fans and proud of their Wisconsin business.

@UHLASKAGUY907 4 ай бұрын

@@tormachinc My bad on the mis info. I figured they had to be, and again, I think they should be. I found their channel because I was looking for a tip on producing a part on a tormach several years ago. Been following ever since. Thanks for setting the record straight. Used to run a 770 for years, and I would love to own a 1500 one of these days when my space and budget allow. Love your products.

@benbro8287 4 ай бұрын

I hope to be able to buy one of your kits in the coming 2 to 3 years :)

@vinnymorrissey7357 3 ай бұрын

I'd love to see you guys do a Mike Patey collaboration! Tormach looks awesome.

@valentinfelsner277 4 ай бұрын

can't wait to build my DA1

@haddedoussama14 4 ай бұрын

Congratsssss!

@gtr1952 4 ай бұрын

That's very cool! I'm looking at building a small one for making guitar parts from wood in my small shop. It uses an off-the-shelf small router as the cutter. It's like an antique version of this one. LOL --gary

@tomcoryell 4 ай бұрын

As a guitarist, I am psyched that CNC is used in building guitars more and more. The precision and repeatability have really made for some great and affordable instruments.

@gtr1952 4 ай бұрын

@@tomcoryell I agree 100% I'm 72, and I started playing guitar in the 60's. I learned quickly that my first acoustic was terrible. LOL I have a lot of stories about the old days. 8) I'm glad young people have such good choices today, from US and overseas makers. After 50 years I don't gig too much anymore. I hunt for 100+ year old wood to make a few special guitars. I love my collection of old tools (and guitars!), but a CNC might be a nice "helper". Thanks! Peace --gary

@BreakingBarriers2DIY 3 ай бұрын

At 25:00 “It looks like we cracked it.” My Canadian heart drops into my stomach… Oh as in “crack on!” LOL

@DylanEdmiston 4 ай бұрын

Serial number 1. Nice.

@TheOneOriginalJackal 2 ай бұрын

Y'all gunna ever fly that plane???

@palletcolorato 3 ай бұрын

Nice! You guys are cruising now.

@Tailwind1 3 ай бұрын

Excellent! :)

@Averey486 2 ай бұрын

Hi I am very interested in your project and I can’t wait for more details about it This plane is very good looking And most importantly it is very affordable I am very intrigued and can’t wait for it to be done

@shanetyson6989 25 күн бұрын

Just wondering when another video regarding Dark Aero will be published?

@tropicthndr 19 күн бұрын

Their loosing public interest, the Sparker TL which has baggage makes a whole lot more sense.

@johnwoodhouse3210 4 ай бұрын

Fun good luck 🎉guy's

@billcarrier9622 Ай бұрын

When are you going to start flight testing?

@JacobNeitling 4 ай бұрын

I have a low serial 1100m. Love it

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

What do you make with your 1100M?

@richard9436 17 күн бұрын

How's it going guys? Haven't heard from you. Hope all is well.

@nicolaborsari9119 12 күн бұрын

Why didn't you choose a V-tail? what are the benefits?

@PDZ1122 4 ай бұрын

Just my 2 cents worth: Just because you can do incredibly complex machined parts doesn't mean you need to, or should. You can't make money making the most expensive, elegantly designed and complicated parts. Pretty much all the metal parts I see here could be made cheaper and easier. Production engineering is reigning in the design engineer who has been given a blank check!

@DarkAeroInc 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for checking out the video and thank you for sharing your thoughts! Agreed! Machined parts shouldn't be overly complicated and should be designed for manufacturing. We have discussed this topic in a number of our videos. A few here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m85zbNKGy5-qnWQ.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcicabFjsrvZqGw.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft9_psZzqdncmqM.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptmGo8iayJbTf40.html Many of the machined components we show probably look more complicated than they really are. Remember that we machined all of our prototype parts on an entry level CNC mill, which should serve as a indication of how challenging they are to manufacture.

@mckenziekeith7434 4 ай бұрын

Nice to be able to make prototype parts and verify them first though. Even if you end up casting them or extruding them or forging them later.

@TheSkidrowyachtclub 4 ай бұрын

I would remove the probe from the machine before machine. We ruined a probe as it wasn't waterproof.

@dudea3378 3 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I've seen some 3-setup parts on this channel that could easily be turned into 1-setup parts... but hey that comes with experience 🙂

@sportclay1 5 күн бұрын

When is this going to be test flown?

@Thomipangang 4 ай бұрын

I like how these videos are just a little bit different from the early releases on the paid plan. Now I get to watch it a second time… 🤣

@kenjohnson2730 3 ай бұрын

Wish Y axis had 18 inch travel too! For large round parts.

@EJWash57 4 ай бұрын

Would like to see your team involved in a STEM program. I know things are busy for you at present, but something to consider.

@dlfabrications 4 ай бұрын

Do you need static dischargers on an aircraft with a carbon shell?🤔🤔

@AC-jk8wq 4 ай бұрын

Great question! Most likely… A want vs. need. My plane’s surfaces are painted… so the static build up is mostly paint rubbing air…. Won’t change much what is under the paint. Where the static really builds…. Is flying through clouds and snow… Used to be able to hear the effects of static in the radios…. (Back in the day). I have No idea how sensitive GPS antennas are to static build up/discharge… 😃

@TheJustinJ Ай бұрын

Static discharge is not as important as lightning protection. For a long range composite aircraft having fuel tanks in wings, this is almost a necessity.

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 2 ай бұрын

do you guys even think about flying this thing eventually ? or is this just a project to grab on social media income and funds ?

@martinsmith2948 2 ай бұрын

That’s what I wonder every day

@dougj8186 2 ай бұрын

My take for a while now is that they are a custom composite shop, this plane is a showcase for their skills, and one day it "might" fly.

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 2 ай бұрын

That is why I'm going to unfollow because it seems to get far away from the initial intent. They have turned it into a money making project rather than fun and educational.

@siamandmoloudnejad2880 2 ай бұрын

After all seems like funds and social media income are more tasty . I will also unfollow.

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 2 ай бұрын

@@siamandmoloudnejad2880 initially it was ok , they need funds obviously but it gets far beyond that.

@Fotovliegtuig 4 ай бұрын

It has been very interesting to see the development of the plane over time, but it has been more than 5 years now and it is time to stop playing with tools and get the thing flying.

@austinshupe9626 4 ай бұрын

Pretty cool machine, curious if you guys looked at syil before this choice

@MrBad4fun 3 ай бұрын

How much longer til this is flying…?

@7000fps 2 ай бұрын

it has been 5 years.........................

@matthewpellegrini2740 4 ай бұрын

Who does your CAM for the machine? Great looking stuff and such a good investment.

@Averey486 2 ай бұрын

Hi I am very interested in your project DarkAero I just love how affordable it is and the range of the aircraft would you say this is a good beginner friendly aircraft I just can’t wait for the plane to be ready for its first journey through the skies and into everybody harts finally. Will the plane ever get a rocket propelled parachute system. Or BRS Aerospace: Whole Aircraft Rescovery Parachute Systems or does it already have one

@owensparks5013 4 ай бұрын

Very nice. Congratulations on the upgrade. What are you using to generate toolpaths from Onshape CAD?

@johnvansloun7443 4 ай бұрын

Surprised you didn't look at a Syil - best bang for the buck machine out there these days it seems!

@jimj2683 4 ай бұрын

Will you buy an autoclave too? Or is the advantage minimal compared to an oven?

@leeoldershaw956 4 ай бұрын

When will the aircraft fly?

@galactictomato1434 4 ай бұрын

When it's ready.

@7000fps 2 ай бұрын

5 years ???? This has Theranos scibbled ALL over IT!

@galactictomato1434 2 ай бұрын

@@7000fps They aren't taking investor money. So wheres the scam?

@fraserphillips5298 Ай бұрын

Hi it's Francis Phillips from Canada here Vancouver Canada when is your aircraft going to be ready for flight worthiness and for sale and all that I am patiently waiting to acquire one or beginning to acquire one

@sammcbride2464 3 ай бұрын

I personally would like to hear more about the authoring software you use. Does it still use M-Code and G-Code? Are you using ACAD or the software that comes with the system? It is really a nice looking setup. Specs about fluid wash/lube, etc. would be good. I guess I could look it up. You might want to get into race cars as well instead of just planes. Then eventually, you can build (me) a boat. ;). To get more into it, some cutters require a "cut in" path on every pattern due to devices like plasma cutters needing a hot start and then cut process.

@marnig9185 4 ай бұрын

Can u make things,that make sense,as yet another Plane? Happy exitinction everybody❤

@GlassImpressions 3 ай бұрын

What did that setup cost? That is in my future

@edmondthompson1523 4 ай бұрын

Great stuff! Hope they gave you a cut to be their beta tester.

@jasondevault5066 4 ай бұрын

If my wife ever dies, this is going in the living room.

@Khemikal_X 2 ай бұрын

Tormach + Aerospace= I understand why you received the first one

@sammcbride2464 3 ай бұрын

OK...more questions...How do you do quality control? That camera feature sounds like a start, but I am guessing you micrometer a lot of stuff. Is it the engineers or do you have a second set of eyes that develop their own processes for QA? Could the camera be used part of QA and used with AI to ensure quality?

@RichardsModellingAdventures 5 күн бұрын

I started watching these when the project started. 5 years on and the plane is still on the ground? WTF?

@chauvinemmons 3 ай бұрын

Need a trunnion table And a pair of lathe spindles at each end and a way to get them changed with the table kind of like a pallet changer with different functions

@ipadize 4 ай бұрын

now the question of the question: can you activate TSC with a tool that doesn not have TSC functionality? Heidenhain for example has 8 Bits for each tool that i can set and one bit tells the control that the tool is TSC capable. If the tool has this bit set to 0 and i want to activate TSC it wont let me.

@cgpmachining 3 ай бұрын

If you ever run a real cnc machine you will be blown away by the difference, Tormach and Syil are toys. If you want cheap then a used high quality machine that is still supported is the best bang for the buck.

@derrickguthrie4704 4 ай бұрын

Jealous, I have a couple 1100mx and am eyeing this 1500mx....very cool

@sheepman6291 3 ай бұрын

Are you getting .0002" tolerance?

@dansv1 4 ай бұрын

Videos do not *NEED* music added to them. Give us ambient sound instead.

@antonyo7531 4 ай бұрын

Im surprised that a Tormach has a higher feed rate and bigger table size then the SYIL that Titans of CNC are promoting.

@MarkRose1337 4 ай бұрын

Nice machine! How is taxi testing going?

@dudea3378 4 ай бұрын

Wasn't that almost 2 years ago? Maybe they weren't comfortable with something they found and needed to make some changes. Or maybe it was just bare bones and the kinks needed working out. Better safe than sorry

@rolliekelly6783 4 ай бұрын

You young men have created a program that is not only enjoyable, but very informative. With that being said, my greatest enjoyment is: you speak in complete sentences and don't say LIKE every third word.

@johnfitzpatrick2469 4 ай бұрын

G,day Keegan from Sydney Australia. Are you recycling waste aluminium or is there not enough? That is some very impressive technology for your manufacturing process. 🌏🇦🇺

@Pennypincher-ue9ux 4 ай бұрын

The chips are at best worth 50cents a pound ,and nobody will pick up small quantities.

@AC-jk8wq 4 ай бұрын

In aviation… everyone says never fly the A model…. They never mention that serial number 001 may be better for a competitor to have…. 😃 Looks like the Tormach is an awesome machine! The A model Mooney, M20A, (1958) had wooden wings and tail… the M20B was all Aluminum… the M20J took a leap into composites with fiberglass cowling and wing tips… (mid 70s) By the time they got to M20U… they moved up to composite skins on a small portion of the fuselage…. (2010s) Team DarkAero has done a nice job of not repeating some of the old history….! Go DarkAero! 😃

@emersoncaicedo3146 7 сағат бұрын

please fly it

@NotSure416 4 ай бұрын

Looks like Tormach is similar to a Haas VF2 now.

@rv6ejguy 4 ай бұрын

VF-2 is 30 hp...

@rgetso 4 ай бұрын

VF-2 has almost 8× more HP.

@OtisFlint 4 ай бұрын

lmao...no.

@tormachinc 4 ай бұрын

Okay, let's get realistic here. Not 30 HP, but no slouch either. The 1500MX has 4 HP with a Max of 6 HP BT30 Spindle, that is also Through Spindle Coolant ready. But, unlike the VF2, runs on single phase power, and is designed to fit in most garages. It's a tiny beast. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZiAmax5y5_Qf58.html

@OhHeyTrevorFlowers 4 ай бұрын

Maybe a TL1.

@dougj8186 2 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, ScaleWings produces a ready-to-fly carbon fiber 2-seat P51 Mustang replica every 6 weeks. No mention of what tools they buy.

@freddy_theknifeguy6007 3 ай бұрын

one main thing i dont like is it still used the old ATC. syils is way better

@Noneofyour210 4 ай бұрын

That’s totally almost as good as flying the airplane

@brotherofiam 4 ай бұрын

Air Traffic Control? No, Automatic Tool Changer.

@TonyRios 3 ай бұрын

Get a DMG Mori next

@davejohnson7152 4 ай бұрын

When will it fly ??

@CraigKeenan-lp8tk 2 ай бұрын

What happened to the aircraft? Has it actually flown? Did you find the empennage was too small and the split rudder little more than a gimmick that creates more problems than it solves?