I hate to speak truth, but you're going to have to stroke another part of your body on camera & on the internet for a long time in order to afford one of those. 😂😮🎉

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m with you dawg

Hey, you can get like seven Big Macs or maybe even a full tank of gas with that account balance.

Bro I got 3 dollars.

I about fell out of my chair when he said "35 to 45 thousand dollars"

Machine gun mitosis

Finally, a real life application of the Banach-Tarski Paradox!

Gun-Jesus saith unto them, How many machineguns have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two trigger assemblies. And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass. And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties. And when he had taken the five machineguns and the two lowers, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the machineguns, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two trigger assemblies divided he among them all. And they did all shoot, and were satisfied. And they took up twelve baskets full of machineguns, and of trigger assemblies.

Go forth and multiply !

Taking off the machine gun trigger pack magically turns the upper reciever to sbr semiauto firearm. Sorcery, i say.

And what benefits them most is what brings ruin to the common man. Sweet!

Also a machinegun of Theseus!

No, it doesn't have to benefit them as long as it screws a citizen (or their dog).

The ATF is legally required to rule like this, as the parts themselves are plainly either statutorily required to be the legal firearm, or not. This situation exists because the BATF is forced to rule exactly this way by the GCA. Don't blame the ATF, either blame HK or the GCA.

@TheFanatical1 Honk! Pretty sure it said shall not. Idk what that means because I have an IQ of 4, but some pretty smart folk tell me that "shall not" means "won't".

It's so true

It'd be a hell of a tagline for a presidential campaign run

@@RJ-wx3fh a Full-auto MP5 in every pot.

Ditto

Especially if you're in Nakatomi Plaza... "Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."

Murica

Murica…land of the TAXED AND CONTROLLED.

I wish

Welcome to America 🙃

ATF math.

Or law in general.

Confused? Just remember: ATF once ruled that a shoelace is a machine gun.

To be fair: if guns were simple, Ian would have made fifty videos, he'd have finished describing all the important variations of "how guns work" ten years ago, and we wouldn't be here. I don't think it's actually possible for the ATF to do the things that Congress has told it to do in a fully logical, consistent way. Their bosses gave them six contradictory rules to enforce, and they're stuck. They haven't exactly done the best possible job of trying, either... but they haven't done the worst they could have done.

The ATF has to make decisions about this, and there really aren't good decisions they can make. They're statutorily required to rule on what constitutes a machine-gun, or what constitutes something that could be readily converted (or convert something into) a machine gun. Ruling which part of a gun is legally the machine gun is essentially arbitrary, but you have to do that because otherwise people will just dissassemble them and claim that no part constitutes a machine gun. The problem is that the trigger pack both isn't legally a machine gun and something that is used to otherwise convert a not-machine-gun into a machine gun. Obviously you run into some problems here because they've seemingly chosen the wrong part to consider the machine gun. I mean, they may be statutorily required to consider that part (the upper) a gun, but either way you have to make a decision about that. Gun owners are constantly trying funny business to get around the letter of the law rather than the spirit (see the absolute nonsense coming out of various places regarding totally-not-stocked-pistols), and the ATF is then forced to issue increasingly complicated rulings on what does and does not constitute an illegal firearm. The fact that you have to modify the legal machine gun rather than the legal semi-auto upper is perfectly reasonable: if you modify the legal thing to accept a legal part (the legal part being the legal trigger pack, which is not a machine gun) you have now created a unregistered machine gun. If you modify the legal machine gun you're not doing anything wrong, and you haven't modified the legal semi-auto upper (so you can't have made a machine gun) and when they fit together you've only got one gun, and it's the lower. Could you change all of this by thinking of the trigger pack as the legal firearm? Sure, but I'm 90% sure the definition of a receiver does realistically mean the trigger pack in this case. Yes, this is somewhat silly. Yes, they should change it for this specific example. No, that doesn't mean this is really a problem: blame HK for making a gun that doesn't play well with US law, don't blame the ATF for doing what they're required to do.

@@TheFanatical1 It's the statute that's wrong. As Ian has discussed ad nauseam via pistol braces, the notion that a federal agency should be allowed to criminalize and decriminalize constitutionally protected items at will is absurd. Particularly when being afoul of said ruling means committing a felony offense. It also leads to ridiculous things being legally deemed "machine guns" that plainly are not, like shoelaces for instance.

Wild assumption that they can read at all. It's been 250 years and they still can't grasp "shall not be infringed".

I doubt they could sort it out after reading it for a freakin year straight.

which is saying something because they made the G11, and that thing is wild

French regulation : "Hold my glass of wine"

German regulations hold my Beer. And for NO

@@Zorglub1966 French regulation is simpler when it comes to semi auto weapons since they all fall in the same category (ofc there are exceptions but they're not the majority)

@@Neutronium57C'est pas faux!

The converted HK94 with the registered sear, can be a "one stamp gun", if on the ATF Form (1,3,4, or 5), the shortened HK94 is married to the sear. I own one myself in that configuration.

Luxury beliefs. Luxury pastimes. Luxury BS. Shall not.

I pointed out that a hole in the wall pawn/gun shop had an SBR hanging on the wall. It was a PPS-43 pistol with its overfolding stock not welded or pinned. Store owner said he's an expert and it's not an SBR as long as you don't shoulder it. I'm sure we all have know this type of person and visited their shop. They can only stay open because they buy tools/items for pennies on the dollar. Not for their rusty $600 Mosin Nagants or $800 Glocks.

Once a machine gun, always a machine gun. Anything else you do to it irrelevant.

And they expect us to volunteer for their armed forces. We have many debased administrators and law makers who command no respect from the people ... social workers and boys in frocks 😊

Me too 💪🇬🇧😎, but I'm buying a Euromillions ticket tomorrow just to increase my chances of owning an MP5 (and a big patch of forest to enjoy it in...) one day from "Absolutely Frig-All Chance Whatsoever" to "More Likely To Get Hit By An Asteroid..."

​@@therogers4432 Take a holiday in eastern europe. I wonder if this comment will survive the pruning blade. Politically awkward comments on UT gave a very short half life. Bit like your lottery gamble . Anyway I hope the suggestion helps 😊

You can own a suppressed, .22lr SBR (overall length over 30") MP5 with unlimited mag capacity - Thats a massive flex in some ways on the US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada who would have to go through some or A lot of BS to have

@@DefunctYompelvert Thats something I suppose but the point some of us are making us that we should NOT have to ask permission.

Can't believe I was so stupid to be non-existent back then rather than acquiring land and guns

They weren't all that cheap even then...

​@@riu.1180exactly😂

@@Jreb1865yeah… but you could buy a crate of Mosins for $400 with 1,660 rounds of ammunition and the crate. You could buy a crate of Carcanos for $99.95 with ammo.

Damn. I wish that I had the foresight when I was 11 to have picked one of these up. I wonder if my parents would have been okay with buying me machine gun parts?

“and I’ll be there….”hk response team

I do also believe i have heard there are a few registered trigger packs/sears where the receiver has been also been modified. Much more rare and in an even more sketchy area regarding legality

​@@MartinsMachinesFJ Vollmer actually did this and the ATF told him no, because modifying the receiver made a second machine gun even if a registered sear was installed in it. I reluctantly admit that the ATF was correct in that regard because the modified receiver would accept a factory machine gun pack at that point. Vollmer rewelded the receivers back to semi auto specifications but was told by the ATF that they were now machine guns even though they had been converted back to semi. Vollmer sued the ATF and was able to show the court the functional difference and won the case. This is one of the times where ATF lost a case they made based on their theory of "once a machine gun, always a machine gun"

Don't blame the ATF: this is the only way you could rule given the laws as-written.

They need to reopen the registry,

@@chaostheoryfilms Reopen it? I say they need to get rid of the registry entirely, it serves zero purpose other than to hurt otherwise law-abiding citizens.

@@hdog9046 I don't disagree, however right now aside from a breakdown in law and order, reopening the registry/another amnesty is the most likely thing to happen.

@@chaostheoryfilms Yeah, little victories are all we can get until enough people realize just how bad most gun laws are.

Bruh you can get em from surplus sites as paper weights I've seen cetme ones for like 150 bucks

One of his more stupid decisions. 😑

@@LD-Orbs Just one of many. I'm sure the Black Panthers appreciated his input as governor of California

^^ Exactly this ^^ The rules are designed to be confusing and vague.

Thats why the people who pay the most for these things actually go through a broker. It costs significantly more than doing a private sale on the open market but folks with that kind of money like to pay for the extra peace of mind that what they're buying is legal, functional, and as advertised. There are only a handful of em in the whole country but they're never hurting for business.

Don’t say this stuff on the Internet bud.

@@nl9002 thanks for the legal advice

And I'd bet no one's ever asked or it's ever been brought up except by you lol

@@Hilth0Modding Just wanted to let you know that, I’m vegan a practice CrossFit. 😂

Would you believe that felons are actually exempt from being charged for NFA violations? The Supreme Court ruled in Haynes-v-US that felons cannot be expected to apply for NFA registration because it violates their 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination. That's right, the NFA is only ever used to charge otherwise upstanding and rule-abiding citizens. Career criminals just get the same "felon in possession (of a firearm)" charge regardless of type (or even just for ammo). There are some potential enhancements for that charge, but they're primarily about how the gun was being used or what else the possesor was doing at the time (eg: used in a crime, or along with drug possession, etc...).

You will never see a felon with a glock switch be put away for 30 years on a NFA charge but you will see a regular person who got lost in the maze of laws end up getting 30. Violent felon who killed 2 people, long history of breaking the law and violence, vs guy who didn’t have enough U.S. made parts in his parts kit.

​@@1lovesoni they don't charge them with failing to register the gun because that actually would be contrary to self-incrimination. Blame whoever wrote the 5th amendment, not the ATF.

All it takes is enough people willing to believe that magical words on paper written by perfect strangers, applies to them. This is how all "laws" work.

Makes me wonder how "activist" prosecuters and judges handle switches on Glocks in Chicago.

@@maineiacman they do so by suing Glock. Which doesn’t make them in the first place, because that makes sense somehow?

@@maineiacman suing glock who dont make the switch because reasons

@@sethwallace4878 Yeah that move was a real head shaker.

Aow?

@ninobrown909 a handgun with a second vertical hand grip is classified as a AOW ( any other weapon with a $5.00 transfer tax)

AOW - A catchall category of NFA stuff that covers "concealable" guns that don't meet the definition of non-NFA "pistols", "revolvers", nor fall under any NFA category. One of the most common ways to "accidentally" make an AOW is to add a vertical foregrip to a legal handgun, because (according to ATF's purely administrative and unilateral judgement) the definition of a "pistol" or a "revolver" only allows ONE vertical grip - the normal pistol grip. Thus, a "pistol" you have a VFG on is both "concealable" (less than 26" long overall) and yet isn't a handgun. Yeah, bolting that $10 airsoft grip to the accessory rail of your Glock or Sig magically makes it an NFA item.

Best comment ever.

@ronwalsh Thanks! 😅 I've known enough about the NFA to be dangerous for years and always likened it to some dark art because one fuck-up could land you in jail. I only recently got my first NFA item, an SBR. I hope to add another and a suppressor to the list soon. Watching Ian explaining *this* cluster of a situation makes me glad HKs are too rich for my blood. 😆

The Doctor approves your comment!

Close. It's "Kraut Space Magic".

There are actually three variants. Registered push-pin machine guns. Registered trigger assemblies and registered sears. The distinction in the latter two is which part carry’s the serial number the sear or the trigger group. Based on that it also informs which parts can be replaced… if you break a registered sear, you can’t replace it. The pack is also modified for use with a registered sear (sear, hammer and springs). If you break a part in a registered trigger group, you can replace any part in the trigger group with a factory part - including the sear - which is the registered part in a registered sear! Clear as mud!

By the time you've left a comment, there were probably hundreds of views and several comments getting typed! We wish our space weather channel were as popular as this, one of our favorite channels ever on KZfaq.

Oh I wasn’t trying to be first. By the time I’d clicked the video it already had comments. I was more meaning I’d never seen one freshly uploaded like that :)

@@troyandskyelar9588 You refreshed at just the right time. Coincidentally Ian is refreshing.

😂

I'm really going to miss Bruce Willis making movies...

We are actively losing ground in the gun rights department. Machineguns are never coming back unfortunately

Shut up

​@@idontcare-ct7jm3d printed and Chinese Ali-express Glock auto sears will make machine guns undeniably in common use.

@@idontcare-ct7jm not with that attitude

​@@idontcare-ct7jmThere are fewer gun laws now than at any point in the 1900s. Defeatist propaganda glows.

Um, the Founding Fathers, even Jefferson, NEVER thought military weapons like cannon should be in the hands of anyone with money. Military grade ordnance in the hands of random people would have terrified every one of them, with reason. Think I lie? Google 'The Whiskey Rebellion' sometime. Gun are not the problem. IDIOTS with guns are the problem. Restricting guns is almost like restricting abortions. People who want them badly enough WILL get them, no matter the costs or consequences. Then add the wackos on all sides and it becomes a shitstorm. Guns are not the problem. MACHINE GUNS are no the problem. The problem? WAY too many people in the US think guns are toys or magic wands that you wave to make things 'better'. But that is not a soundbyte, so it is ignored in the need to scare people into giving up more freedom or money.

@@dwrdwlsn5 It's common sense that military ordinance shouldn't be in the hands of randoms. People back then were a lot more in touch with reality, thus simple things like this were simply held to be self-evident. Nuance was a part of social etiquette. Now the debate has shifted to schizos talking about needing to own landmines and howitzers or it's a "tyranny".

that or bc our gun laws are basically antiques from a time long before the internet, and the ATF is writing regulations around what they have.

You’re right, but a right is a right. One right is no more or less of a right than another just because the language chosen to outline it explicitly mentions one of its core characteristics as a right. Shall not be infringed is implied by nature of its definition as a right. In other words, just because some ye ole dudes decided to be redundant with their language doesn’t make that right a double right. Anyway, ACAB, don’t forget it.

@@williambrasky3891 Yeah, but it is a right only until certain people decide it shouldn't be one. Funny thing, the people who GENERALLY do such first are NOT the liberals because the other side knows who has the power and who deserves it. (Themselves)

Yo, reporting for duty!

The upper actually DOES need to be SBR registered if it's ever combined with an unregistered semi-auto lower.

Good luck finding a lawyer that understands gun laws well enough to give you worthwhile advice. None of the lawyers in my family do.

@@dbmail545 Just learn the law yourself.. Any gun hobbyist is basically a self-made lawyer at this point thanks to the intricacies of being able to own them

35k for a cheap one. Some of them go up to 50 or 60k.

​@dbmail545 currently gun laws mean nothing, you can follow the legal letter of law, then the ATF will make a new rule and suddenly you're no longer compliant. Might aswell just do what you want.

At that amount just pay the relatively minor tax stamp for a SBR. The machineguns not having to be registered as a SBR loophole is really just an edge case.

Im wondering if it’s just a conversion to factory specs and he was mistaken but It is potentially possible. If so it will certainly go for big money

@@MartinsMachines Yes, would seem to be a rarity. I have never seen or heard about a transferable, factory one. A conversion should then, bring less money than the sear.

Apparently, ATF has let a few pre-sample slip through the system into a transferable status, but generally, they catch their mistake Whether it’s the next transfer or another examiner looks at the paperwork.

This. I'm quite happy with the Sten M2 I bought in 1988 for $600.00. Interport made it, and it runs like a sewing machine. Only Class 3 toy I own. FTW...

@@Jreb1865I been loving on my m11a1. Not the same, but add the max31 upper and you’re in similar territory

Americans also have a right to life which, suprise surprise, is violated by getting shot. And that right to life is a tad more important then your right to own guns.

Americans also have a right to life which, suprise surprise, is violated by getting shot. And that right to life is a tad more important then your right to own guns.