Thank you! Yes there are too many people talking about it in a way which doesn't match up with the physics at play. I just wanted to break down what it actually happening so that people know how to manage it. 😃

Thank you! You're very welcome, Wanted to give people a real understanding rather than just say it's a bug and give no reasons to why it happens or how to avoid it. 😃

Thanks man!

Thanks man!

Thank you 😃

You're welcome! 😃

Thanks mate! Ah nice! Glad to hear you're going to be trying it out soon! Exciting times! 😃

Haha love it! Thanks Don!

Thank you! Hope this helped you out 😃

Hey! The best I could do is the demo at the start, trying to film it in flight is very tricky and the drone would look tiny in the video or I'd have to get really close and low in which case it would probably crash before I could recover. I was basically performing a similar flight manoeuvre in the flight to what I showed at the beginning. Hope this helps. 😃

You're very welcome! I felt there was a gap in the information about these drones. So I wanted to make a video showing what's actually happening. A lot of people say it's a bug, but it's just physics, aerodynamics, and not quite enough power to overcome the effects. 😃

@@JustinBainbridgeYT Yeah I was very confused as to what was going on. You've helped a lot. Thank you!

Thanks Bro!

@@betaompay38 You're welcome!

Thanks mate! Yeah, the motion controller is great for that because the ground sensors work really well with it. Sounds like a lot of fun!

Yeah when it happens for the first time it can catch people off guard and be a bit scary but it's easy to recover if you have the height and stay calm. Haha yeah the scenery here is beautiful, trying to make the most out of it whilst I can 😃

Hi Justin once again another great informative video. Your presentation and explanations are of very high standard. (you come across and sound like a professional tv presenter) . I’ve had my avatar 2 one month now im wanting to advance to manual. Please would you mind advising on a good simulator to use, problem though I only have iPhone and iPad Pro and no computer. Thank you, I appreciate your videos. Cheers mark

Yep, if it happens low down, you might not have time to react. Yes, I just saw the update. You can now use the original Avata ancillaries to fly the Avata 2. I need to do some reading and testing to see what else this update includes 😃

That's awesome. I'm glad you liked the rates! Yeah, the stock rates are very strange in my opinion. Hey, that's what it's there for, use it as much as you need to. You'll soon be flying with confidence!

Too many people have zero idea of aerodynamic principles, and physics. Or, they forget to apply them. The best way to relate to this with aircraft terms is wind shear.

Yeah me too! I've always just seen it said and ignored it, but I know a lot of people are concerned about it so I wanted to clear the air and show why it's actually happening rather than just saying it's a bug. Which it's not. It's just a characteristic of this style of air frame and flying through turbulent air. Glad you enjoyed the video and also learned a little extra. Thanks for commenting 😃

I mean you say this but my traditional fpv cinewhoop doesn't have any type of tumble so it's obviously a design flaw.

Maybe they're listening 🤔 I will always try to make the most helpful videos for the community and try to expell the myths so that people can have a full understanding of why this sort of thing happens. Thank you for the support! It means a lot 😃

Yeah, you should be fine if you're just sticking to normal or sport mode. It's very hard to put the aircraft into the attitude required to encounter the tumble in normal/sport mode 😃

@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you for replying Justin 👊🏽👊🏾👊🏻

Ah that's a shame. Yes I find the pause button is too slow to respond to the tumble. This is one of the reasons i suggest learning to corret this manually as you'll have a better chance of saving it. Practice higher up and you should get the hang of it and after a while you'll know when you're doing a turn that puts you at more risk of experiencing it and you'll be ready to react if needs be. Hopefully it gets repaired and you get back in the air again quickly 😃

The easy acro trick will be fine as the drone stays fairly level and turns and tilts backwards at the same time, keeping the props in clean air.

@@JustinBainbridgeYT OKe i see, thank you for the explination !

Hi, nope I wasn't using an ND today, it's just a lens flare from the sun 😃

Thank you! Nope, I think there might be an issue with your drone if you're getting a strange sound like that. It doesn't sound normal to me

i have that sound on mine, like you said, not constant but there all the time, i dont know if its normal or not.

I have it on mine too, after a few crashes. 3 weeks later and it still flies perfectly fine so I'm definitely not burning a DJI care refresh over it.

We don't have access to tune the PIDs on the Avata 2 unfortunately. Otherwise, I would be doing just that, so it's best to just let people know what's happening, alot of people using the Avata 2 are new to fpv and won't be familiar with propwash effects. I doubt we will ever get a chance to modify pids on a DJI drone either

Yes it can, it's not impossible but much less likely 😃

Yep, most sims will have accurate enough physics to mimic this happening in the sim. You won't notice it anywhere near as much with an open prop quad vs. a cinewhoop. Cinewhoops don't have as much access to clean air, and the prop guards can cause the prop tip vortices to bounce back and not be dispersed, which will exaggerate the issue. But you should feel it with any good sim

Hey Russ! Yep, I tested it this morning with high hopes, but unfortunately, the issue is still there. It was either going to be in this or the next update from what I heard, but I guess they were busy with a lot of things in this update. I'm in 2 minds whether to make a video as nothing has changed, I was hoping it would be fixed so I could bring the whole thing to a close. But unfortunately I can't do that until it's fixed. It's annoying...

What is the issue?

What's the rth issue?

No not a dumb question at all. Before the latest update you just used to double tap the start/stop button and it would start the motors in manual so you could take off in manual. But in the latest firmware this doesnt work anymore. I think this was a mistake and will hopefully be corrected in the next FW update.

@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you for the reply. Do you mean the start Stop button on the FPV remote rather than the motion controller?

@@arunr5529 Yep, the button on the lower right hand side of the back of the FPV remote. You can't fly manual mode with the motion controller.

@@JustinBainbridgeYT makes sense. I normally don’t use that button, just the sticks

@arunr5529 Yeah, I always use the sticks too. Hopefully, they bring the manual stop start back for manual mode again

Haha, I give mine a clean every couple of flights to keep it looking fresh 😅 I've had some very green drones in the past though haha

Mine too!

Snap mine too 😅 😅 can't stop it crashing

Yep, I do the Split S all the time without issues. You can experience the tumble if you change the pitch too severely at the bottom of the manoeuvre, but generally, the split s has been fine. The Avata 2 dives remarkably well for a cinewhoop!

You can yes, however I find pause is slow to respond in this situtation and you can save it much quicker with corrective inputs, but if you have enough height, the pause can save you. But I would reccomend trying to correct it manually first. 😃

@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you Justin, yeah I was talking about more height. I was never gonna go manual but after a few days playing sims, I went out yesterday, took her up high, took the plunge and enabled manual and did ok, I didn’t crash 😂. My heart was pounding though lol. Managed a few dives and flips, but as I have played video games for a LONG time (I am 53) It really helped with the coordination needed for the RC3, sounds stupid but playing 3rd/1st person shooters definitely helped 😂. And playing hours in the sims (uncrashed and liftoff) was also very beneficial. (I use mode 3 which is similar to 3rd/1st person style controls for me) I actually like the stiffer throttle stick even in normal/sport mode, and will still keep practising in manual but regarding most shots I want, I think normal and sport will suffice, but in certain situations like chasing a car/bike/foot chase/free running etc, I think manual will be great. I like more cinematic smoother shots so also thinking of getting the Mini Pro 4 as well as using my Avata 2. Sorry for the long reply and thanks again for your great channel! 👍🙏

There are some cinewhoops like this but with large slots in the prop guards, and it does help. The frame on the Avata 2 would have to be resigned for this, though as it would be very weak if you started cutting holes in it

@@JustinBainbridgeYT yes but one hole in the back corner or carbon frame

@PoloHungary you would need sizeable slots all around the guards. My other cinewhoop has this style design (GepRc Cinelog 35 V2) yeah a carbon frame mod would also help but it's a lot of effort for something that can be easily avoided if you are just aware of the way you're flying. I just use a freestyle drone if I need to be doing more intense/acrobatic flying. But it would be nice to see an aftermarket frame that's a bit stronger and incorporates some slots or a lower profile guard to help with better airflow. 😃

Much less likely, almost impossible, there is a tiny chance it could happen, but it would be very difficult. I've never experienced it with the MC, and I couldn't get it to do it, but there's always a chance in the right scenario. But I wouldn't worry if I was you 😃

So helpful