Well. Great in theory, but other tactics are much more efficient in practice.

@@RichyRich2607 strictly speaking the most efficient tactic is using doomstacks, but that's the opposite of fun.

@@RichyRich2607 who cares tho? I want to have fun paying a game

@@RichyRich2607 I can see it being used in a few occasion to surprise an opponent

Technically, he's doing blitzkrieg

The Lore of Slaanesh is perfect for this tactic!

agreed. and Fiends are the best backline wreckers, they can bounce around like pinballs disrupting everything

Play as Greenskins a lot. My tactic is grimgor and 3 units of trolls penetrating deep into front lines and killing artillery and archers in 3v3 matches. Grimgor kills just about any lord they send and gives the leadership boost necessary for trolls to keep fighting. I usually get 5,000 or higher gold damage in artillery and archers and another 1,000 or so in infantry gold damage and I lose about 2,400 in gold damage. Grimgor usually does too but generally gives out 2,000-5,000 gold damage.

I usually keep a spearman unit in the backline as a reinforcement for whatever goes wrong (cav, break in the line, flying units). Sometimes I'll have regular infantry in a similar position. Still, I can imagine my 1 spearman unit won't do much to hold back Grimgor and a bunch of angry trolls.

ah yes, the infamous vampire coast cavalry 🦀

The rotting protestants?

Yup, gonna admit the same; I'm all about fliers or fast-cav, but I never thought to send troops through an explosion hole. It seems obvious in hindsight, but credit (to Zerkovich) where credit is due :)

Modern warfare is absolutely nothing like this.

@@Swwatter seems a wild idiot has appeared. Read FM 3-0 Operations. What I described is literally under Forms of Maneuver 7-37 Penetration.

@@ronaldp7573 Just found the section you're talking about. Do you just randomly blurt out chapters of war books or something? It literally has nothing to do with what you're talking about. EDIT: Forms Of Maneuver are mentioned 4 times in the entire manual. And none of that mentions anything that you think it mentions. I'm citing the 2022 manual. "Friendly forces are stationed or positioned in dispersed forward positions in maritime theatres, and often have been there for decades to facilitate joint operations throughout a maritime theatre. Their location are typically key or even decisive terrain. Their ability to do so is a function of survivability that depends of active and passive defence measures, reinforcement from critical weapons systems, hardening and camouflaging of command posts, securing critical C2 networks, sustainment, and the employment of protection-oriented land forces. Providing active and passive AMD, to include early warning, reduces the effectiveness of enemy long-range fires or attack. Forward-positioned forces must be prepared to fight outnumbered and from exposed terrain, specifically islands, for as long as required. This increases the need for security throughout the AOR and forward-positioned sustainment capabilities. Army forces enhance the protection of their own less mobile assets by continually improving the survivability of their positions." I cannot see anything to do with blowing out the centre to advance forward. You're a perfectly bent banana 😂

You are reading a strategic level manual about logistics. I recommend FM 3-90 for pure tactics. Educate yourself young man, I am too old already to be recalled to fight in WW3 but you might be summoned to defend your republic.

The counter to this strat is independant guerilla like units that can kite the ennemy and wrap opportunistically when the ennemy frontline is oxerextended at some point. Afghans vietnamese etc have won wars vs usa with it so it's obviously the best we ever came up with

And you are gonna lose effectiveness by moving your ranged back

I was actually thinking this, because the unit you send forward is likely to be cut off. Notice the trolls Ld is already wavering and the cav get split between the infantry and archers. Strung out cav like that can get easily slaughtered. It's a brilliant idea, but you gotta be careful executing it. Doggos are good because they are fast. Monstrous infantry are small in number and can pull away. Chariots would also be good.

@@fernandoarrue87 heavy cav are some of the best at this role. Watch Turins recent 2v2 tournament stream where Bretonias grail knighte crush units on the charge in lance formation without the magic explosion and keep trucking through a second unit with good micro. It's a masterclass of cav play in every battle True Bretonian was in

... devastating flanker, sending your foe straight to the Prince of Pleasure >:-D

Might actually work nicely, though you might need 2 your units and create the opening in the fap between 2 enemy units. Its kinda phallus of doom variation

Yeah, sometimes you have to just keep clicking them to move through.

Yeah, you're going to want to do some spam clicking for this one- the unit will indeed sometimes want to stop and engage if models touch, which they almost always will. Mass of the unit matters too, so monstrous infantry and cavalry are going to get through pretty easily, whereas even quick infantry might get pretty well caught if the gap closes before they're almost all through.

Anti-large cavalry reserves are best. Take the Empire for example. You have a stack of 1 artillery, 4 archer troops, 2 cavalry, a lord, a wizard, and 8 line infantry. Use a anti-large cavalry to protect your non-melee. Also having a wizard or Lord use powerful abilities on them can be a good counter in combination with anti-large units

Reserve. Don't put all melee unit front. Keep your elite unit, especially anti large one behind. Also, this tactic is useless against rush faction which will not have backline anyway.

Veil of shadows is 12 winds :C. You could go with overcasted warp lightning or scorch for 11 and do damage if you are skaven. I guess it is still better of the knockback effect Though Veil of shadows is what I immediately thought about when saw this video

@@rbwbr I think it depends on how much you want to shut down the back line, veil is long enough with enough knock down to allow you to push multiple units through. It's not a perfect spell and could definitely be dropped a few WoM but it's one of my favourites. People sleep on it but it's essentially lets you win any engagement between two units if you know how/when to place it. :D

@@karacox6979 It is also very nice on sieges, if a player or AI will try to hold a choke - Veil will brake it better then anything else

When you hold the right click to change formation and drag to the right- you make it longer but not as deep so move it left and it will be the opposite, shorter but thinner. You can also see little triangle-ly icons on the ground when you do so that show where the unit faces and how the formation will look like

@@rbwbr For me, they always seemed to face the long side, but I will check it. I haven't played since TW2 SFO mod, I am waiting for TW3 SFO mod. Thank you.

@@Szurix90 welp TW3 SFO is out, still got a couple of bugs but it has been released

@@Szurix90 When you are drawing the formation the arrows will point to where they will be facing. If for some reason that doesn't work for you you can also thin the formation down by selecting it and pressing ctrl + up arrow. Or back arrow, can't remember what the default is.

Gorgers have vanguard and stalk so can already get in the backline easily.

@@mmorkinism Fair point.

Only for the AI, where the Khornedogs just run through your front line like it wasn't there

If the enemy has a lot of reserves and/or high-powered reserves, maybe, or if the enemy hasn't had to commit all of their front line (which amounts to the same thing). If their front line is engaged with yours though, they're not going to do it (and if they try,,your front line is now hitting them in the back, which will destroy them in short order) so it's all about reserves. If the break-through unit doesn't get all the way through, that's risky for sure, but that's down to the execution of the thing really.

I'd say Fire Lore Piercing Bolts of Burning, and Shadow Lore Pit of Shades. Pit of Shades knocks the enemy down, but you might have to wait for it to end before charging through. Neither are ideal, however. The alternative is just to focus a damaging spell on the vulnerable section of their line, and rout them, allowing your units to charge through. Or follow up with a terror unit to terror rout them, and push through. Oh yeah, and someone else mentioned dragon breath as a good option.

@@shorewall none great choices, but at least something. The main problem with dragon breath is if you are using it for this, it means the enemy backline if free, and while your dragon does this, he's a sitting duck taking the damage from the backline. At that point just use the dragon to get to the backline directly

@@TheRewasder97 True, dragons are the main threat, not the setup. :D

Sometimes, a good ol nuke works just as well. Hit ‘em with the pit of shades, break through where they routed

Do they still have Dark Conduit in wh3? In 2 they could perform a sacrifice and get a warpbomb army ability that only damages your unit's vigor.

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This may be the only time when having the explosion preceding the insertion may actually be a *good* thing :D

It's a tool in a toolbox. Good luck flanking with grounded units a chokepoint battle.

@@ezkiller93 wait those still exist? still if your enemy is in a chokepoint battle then their formation will be much to dense to penitrate like this. so you will still be putting a unit in the nutcracker for no reason.

@@emrysmyridden The dogs seemed to do just fine in the example. This is way faster than going around a wide formation and shutting down missile heavy factions doesn't necessarily need to mean you routing of the ranged. Just distract them long enough for your stronger melee units to kill their frontline and then mop up.

@@ruukinen lol its not a question of speed. its a question of is it worth sacrificing a unit to prevent archers from firing for a few seconds? because putting a unit in a position where it is surrounded is most likely going to get it killed. the only use i can see for this is for chariots and single entity monsters to get through braced troops because those things have enough mass to push through the archers as well and they wont likely become bogged down. in all other cases i think it would be better to either time your advance so the dogs are in flanking position or take the arrows for a bit and then let your dogs get where they need to go. same with cav once they go in and get surrounded they are done contributing.

Not really since the enemy can intercept going around

One does not simply "just go around". It objectively makes them a good tactician.

Especially in legendary difficulty.. Coz u cant pause it to do it