How to Capture Infrared Photos with a Magnet! and the Sony DSC F717 F707 F828

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8 жыл бұрын

Want to start capturing Infrared, Full Spectrum, or Ultraviolet Photos? But you also want to be able to use the same camera for "normal" visible spectrum pics? Easy. You'll need a Sony DSC-F717 and a special rare earth Neodymium magnet. This hack also works for the F707 and the F828.
The special rare earth magnet enables you to temporarily convert the Sony from a normal camera into a full spectrum powerhouse, in seconds! The best magnet to use is a Neodymium rare earth magnet: 3/8" x 1" grade N52 cylinder shape. Any other size would be a trial and error approach. However be cautious to use a magnet that is too powerful because it could damage the internals of the camera. On eBay the seller 1960galaxy sells the exact perfect size magnet for under $10 shipped.
This method allows you to have FULL CONTROL over the camera when taking IR or Full Spectrum photos. (Yes, full control over aperture, shutter speed, ISO, etc)
You may have heard about the Sony's infrared popularity, and of people using very dark neutral density filters while in Night Shot Mode to "attempt" daytime IR photos with this camera. That's nothing more than the myths and misdirection of urban legends that have spiraled out of control, leading far too many desperate photographers chasing elusive limey shadows. Using that crude method of ND filters and a blinding aperture results in washed-out green-cast photos that will leave you struggling through hours of photo software editing to manage.
However, the rare earth magnet method that is thoroughly explained in my video skips all of that ND/pasty green-cast nonsense, and you will be taking stunning infrared photos directly in the camera. Many of the photo examples you see in the video had no post-processing whatsoever.
I found this camera to be quite remarkable, amazingly versatile, and incredibly the best camera to begin exploring your direction into what is known as "invisible light".
Whether you intend to use this camera for creative projects, black/white infrared, false-color infrared, medical photography, forensic photography, ghost-hunting, spirit photography, or just everyday normal events in normal visible color, this camera does it all.

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@abundantYOUniverse 4 жыл бұрын

I got that same camera at goodwill years ago for 12 bucks. The chip went bad, I ordered one from germany, and watched a youtube video showing how to change it out. it worked! Best camera Ive ever had, this video was fantastic thanks!

@Ohaney76 7 жыл бұрын

I was going to sell my f717. now its got new life and a fun weekend taking experimental shots. Thanks!

@garykump2413 Жыл бұрын

I realize that this is an old video, but I hope you are still answering questions. I dug up my old f-717, bought a magnet and am just starting to try the IR trick. My first few photos were just OK! Did you make a video on post processing? Also, what ISO do you use for IR? You have a great "radio announcer voice"! Thanks again for the great video.

@RISCGames 2 жыл бұрын

Invaluable video, thanks for the information that is finding its way useful into my brain many years later! Cheers man!

@williammauzey8342 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Man, what a lot of great information you gave on this video. Thank you very much!

@linditty169 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, we have had this camera for years and never really knew how to use all that well. Your video was so informational and we are loving our camera again and thanks.

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It definitely opens up more creative potential with the camera.

@ismailmutlu8602 2 жыл бұрын

@@xsync336 hello sony dsc 710 has the feature of seeing underground with its infrared feature, is neodymium miclatis useful?

@jt_climbing Жыл бұрын

thats so interesting about zooming in a touch to get focus. I've been bashing my head against the wall for days trying to figure that out with mine. When in night shot mode, its so crispy. Put an IR filter on and it's suddenly so soft and infinity is blurry! thank you

@barrybogart5436 Жыл бұрын

I have been doing this with a 717 and 828 (much better - uses CF cards) for years. I never use the custom WB feature, as I do it in Post. With the 828 I save images as TIFFs. And I use the magnet a second time to change it back. It toggles. No need to turn it off. I have never seen an issue with IR focussing. That second line on old cameras for IR FILM wasn't that far away. You can adjust the aperture and focus, so do that! BTW I use a 720 filter.

@cameramanu 5 жыл бұрын

Iv still got my Sony f717 because I knew it could still do a lot that my Canon EOS 7D MKII can’t. It’s a grate camera so I will try do the tips from your video.

@Lizerator 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, just bought this camera. Thanks for the info...

@cameraboy07 9 ай бұрын

best tutorial thanks man!

@stephanebigoin2225 7 ай бұрын

Hello ! Thanks for this very nice video ! I bought a Sony F828, a IR filter and (of course !) a magnet ! I've started to try all these things and it's really nice ! Sorry to post so late !

@RestorationAustralia 4 жыл бұрын

Great experiment.

@carl3104 Жыл бұрын

Very good video, thanks a lot!

@douglascrouse8793 7 жыл бұрын

Excellent tutorial!

@douglascrouse8793 7 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I tried the "magnet hack" and your advice with my old DSC-V1 and V3. Wow! 1000% improvement! If you would like to do a tutorial on advanced IR, I wouldn't mind a bit! ;)

@nick123xd 2 жыл бұрын

you are genius

@SilverSpoon_ 2 жыл бұрын

It's especially good for portrait, but really, the nightshot mode, with manu controls also gives a very film vibe to photos, then it's me, I always edited them on photoshop to get that sepia, "not very monochrome" feel to it. And that's really an option I missed when I upgraded to a Alpha A77, still not that IR mode. Gotta behead a A55 and eventually convert it. That would be fun.

@nx7640 5 жыл бұрын

very nice infos thanx

@SthamerAMVs 10 ай бұрын

Great video! Couple questions, I have an F707 with a Chrome filter (blue filter) that makes plant life go this lovely red. An issue I’ve had is the focussing even when zoomed a little and using f8.0 I still get fairly blurry images. Any advise?

@AMATSONICRECORDS 2 жыл бұрын

can i ask you what camera you are using to film? looks nice

@hamdifouzai4713 Жыл бұрын

Hi Thank you for your video I have a dsc-v1 and a h9 that have too nightshot Will it work?

@kalamatacity 2 жыл бұрын

Congrats man ,very informative

@camillepans Жыл бұрын

Troubleshooting question in case anyone else is having the same problem: I used the magnet hack and my screen went totally dark. It looks like the gray shutter inside the lens is stuck in place and can’t move out of the way. Maybe I did something to the magnet that controls the shutter? Let me know if anyone has any advice, thank you! And great video!!! Thanks so much for all the detailed info, I can’t wait to use it!

@unbroken1010 3 жыл бұрын

This is fascinating. I still think the original Sony rd1 was a game-changer how does the scammer performed for stills I can pick one up for 80 bucks might be worth messing around with

@RichardM740 8 жыл бұрын

thank you for this, I had converted a Nikon D70 and later sold it and I really didn't want to go through that again (it's nerve racking to disassemble a DSLR) this is so much easier and cheaper! THANK! I had an F828 years ago so if this is really just as effective as on the F717 I'll look for another, Ididn't want to step back to a 717 unless it was superior to the 828

@RichardM740 7 жыл бұрын

that's awesome. thanks! I just ordered an 828 primarily due to the storage issue, I already have cards for it, not the 717. As far as the magnet goes, will any magnet work or does it have to be a rare earth magnet? I have several quite powerful magnets

@RichardM740 7 жыл бұрын

thanks! What a great hack!

@RichardM740 7 жыл бұрын

ah.. I was wondering about damage from too powerful a magnet as I have always been careful to keep all my equipment as safe as possible. Another poster mentioned using magnets from hard drives. I may start there and if that doesn't work, I'll play it safe and go to ebay, thanks for the tip!

@ricardopereira3263 11 ай бұрын

Se coloca no modo sepia , ou negative film ou a outra cor solar , ou no nighshot e se usar o imã indicado , o que acontece ? Esse problema de tela cinza de uma pessoa aqui respondendo pode ocorrer usando esse imã? Obrigado se puder responder.....*

@arilinn8756 Жыл бұрын

I thought these models only took up to 128mb cards. I wonder if a 1-2gb card will work in my 707 model?

@AshokaMazda 5 жыл бұрын

so so is it better to pick up an IR filter such as a Hoya r72 or to use the combination of two polarizing lenses? I already have a B&W Polarizing filter. I get the impression from this that I could pick up a secondary polarizing filter and basically have an adjustable IR filter with the combination of the two instead of instead of picking up the IR filter?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Either works, it's open for experimenting. Using two polarizers introduces some color with the IR.

@ricardopereira3263 11 ай бұрын

Se coloca no mdo nightshot e usar o imã , o que acontece?

@josdenis3684 Ай бұрын

Optical zoom is 4x Detail but importance.

@tonlindemann6755 2 жыл бұрын

Nice and compliments. I started with IR on the F717 with your video. But here a few comments because it doesn't seem to work that way on all models. Here in Europe (on my model anyway) the suggested focusing method doesn't work. To get a sharp image I have to go to the aperture preference and set it to f8. A light tele is not necessary. This gives a reasonably sharp image with the dreamy appearance. The image can be made even sharper by selecting the 'sharpness' option in the menu and setting it to +2. If you leave the camera on the automatic or automatic with program settings, the image will be completely out of focus, even with light tele. The camera then chooses its own settings in aperture and shutter speed and that does not work. Another suggestion: You can also just leave the white balance on green grass. Flip the internal filter back with the magnet (or turn it off/on if you prefer) and just turn the white-balance control button to sunny or artificial light and you're done. The white balance for IR then remains available for the next session. Those magnets have a north and south pole. For example, mark the pool where the internal filter folds away. This way you always know how to direct the magnet to fold or replace the filter. It's a matter of taste and what you want to arrange how. But perhaps a hybrid use is the best of both methods. For false color IR with a 720 nm filter I use the suggested method. For the 760 and 850 nm I prefer to use the ND filter method. You don't even need an ND filter at all for the 950 nm. This filter is dark enough. All these filters from 760 nm onwards produce a monochrome image ranging from olive green/white to deep blue/white. This is good for converting it to monochrome grayscale. You will get extremely sharp images with the nightshot mode. Sometimes you get a light spot in the center of the image. This can be easily eliminated with a Dodge and Burn tool in image editing software. Using a tripod is almost always recommended. Except when it is downright sunny, otherwhile there are almost always relatively long shutter speeds.

@eatenbyopium Жыл бұрын

i have a question you seem to be very knowledgeable on the topic, what method would i use if i wanted to get those photos of like the grass being pink and the skies being very blue? i know you posted this comment a year ago but i hope you reply! thanks for your time!

@tonlindemann8317 Жыл бұрын

There are some options to add false color on IR images in general (talking about converted camera's and shooting in raw), but also on camera's without raw options as the F717. First you have to start to set a white-balans with an IR + some ND filters attached in the mode as explained in de video about this camera. Use a 530 nm or 590 nm IR filter to get more vibrant colors on foliage and sky. Use for the white-balans an 720 nm filter as the 530 and 590 nm-filters will not allways work to set a good white-balans in the camera. Set the white balans on any white object, white clouds are ideal. On any image taken you should get a kind of orange sky and a kind of blue foliage. With an usual color swab in a photo-editor you will get a kind of blue sky and a kind of orange foliage. If you wish to change that orange then you should the HSL options in the photo-editor. Preverably you should not use global color setting, but use the sliders of the color you wish to change. It is a kind of trial and error to get the colors you wish. With this method you're able to set any color and let the sky blue. Next go to selective colors to fine-tune your colors and finally set the the contrast or colorlevels to make the image brighter to your taste. Hopes this helps, and cheers form the Netherlands.

@eatenbyopium Жыл бұрын

@@tonlindemann8317 Thank you so much very big help. so I should use both the 590 and the 720 filter together at the same time? thanks for your time. cheers from Los Angeles

@emilemilian7404 5 жыл бұрын

Which size magnet do you recommend? Will the big one you use in the video not fell from its own weight?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

You don't need the magnet to stick to the camera, just tap it lightly as in the video. Magnet size in the description.

@fuge90 3 жыл бұрын

Hi how does the NEG ART feature works on these Sony cameras ?, looks almost like Infrared photos

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

The neg art is really just software turning the positive image into a negative. This magnet hack actually allows the sensor to capture infrared.

@jonathanpartsch 5 жыл бұрын

Dear X Synch, Your video is wonderful. You have inspired me to take the plunge and buy a $3 magnet! I am so disappointed to discover that all my IR photos (except those taken in nightshot mode) are out of focus. I have tried every aperture and zoom setting, but even at f/8 and zoomed in they are still very much out of focus compared to IR photos taken in nightshot mode at f/2! Is there some trick to achieving sharp focus? I have used the procedure you begin describing in your video at about 12:00 in, and that doesn't help me at all. Am I missing something? Please help me. Thank you!

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Attempted to explain in the video, when capturing the full spectrum of light the focus points of the all those different wavelengths does create a softer image.

@scoobysienna 6 жыл бұрын

hi just got this camera knowing very little i got it for ghost hunting.have a just got a great deal for total darkness or not.no battery was the only problem i did get the black lense cover well thats what i thought it was.any tips please sir for setting it up for ghost hunting

@scoobysienna 6 жыл бұрын

sorry my one is the 707

@xsync336 6 жыл бұрын

this trick works with the 717 and the 707 ))

@xsync336 6 жыл бұрын

There is debate on whether you will get better images from the uv or infrared spectrum. I prefer the IR, but a friend of mine uses the UV. Energy = light... but at what wavelength? Imagine if you took all the wavelengths of light at a distance that would circle the globe, the visible portion would be just 1 inch of what is out there. Amazing isn't it?

@stevenshanelogue6984 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use this for video as well?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Yes this works for video also.

@simone-by7dn 8 жыл бұрын

when you set the white balance do you do it with the filters on or off ?

@mermeloly 6 жыл бұрын

hi!!, the white balance step, is the same in the f828? , i ask because the menu is different

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Set white balance with filters on.

@tioqueco 4 жыл бұрын

What is the diameter of the infrared lens 850, for that camera and where to get it?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

58mm filter for the 717. IR filters can be found online, inc Amazon, ebay, etc.

@gur262 6 жыл бұрын

16:36 you can buy a variable ND filter right away. Same thing.

@xsync336 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, the variable is essentially two polarizing filters back to back, which is what I constructed for my filter ))

@unbroken1010 3 жыл бұрын

You know what the sigma SD Quattro also has a large IR filter you think I can get away with doing this on that one without worrying about damaging the camera

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

That's another good camera.

@unbroken1010 3 жыл бұрын

@@xsync336 so far ..

@scoobysienna 6 жыл бұрын

were do i buy those lenses in uk please

@xsync336 6 жыл бұрын

Try ebay or amazon. Personally I use Zomei brand filters.

@moradaitchrif 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have the camera. I want to carry the pictures to the phone and I do not know how

@Richiko06 4 жыл бұрын

if you have a laptop the memory stick should insert into it, then get yourself a micro memory card one that can detach and insert in the phone after you have saved the photos from the laptop onto it. It should run you about 20 $ US

@Richiko06 4 жыл бұрын

I recommend Sandisk for the micro memory card and card adapter. They come together.

@thelivingmanpart2 6 жыл бұрын

You can capture video too, right?

@xsync336 6 жыл бұрын

+nickz Yes with this technique you can use the camera to record video in either IR, UV or full spectrum.

@Jinjjamppongzzang 3 жыл бұрын

Is it better than smartphone camera?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Smartphone camera can not easily by modified to capture infrared or full spectrum or uv. Even if normal light photos were compared the Sony digital sensor is much larger than a small phone camera sensor, thus likely much better photo quality.

@Jinjjamppongzzang 3 жыл бұрын

@@xsync336 thank you sir

@GordanZelnicki 7 жыл бұрын

what about focus issues?

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Attempted to explain in the video, when capturing the full spectrum of light the focus points of the all those different wavelengths does create a softer image.

@raywhite3519 6 жыл бұрын

I TRIED DOING THIS WITH MY 717, IT DID NOT CHANGETO RED SETTING

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Did you use the proper magnet?

@anascancerjourney9922 Жыл бұрын

I have the F828 for sale with accessories if anyone is interested!

@EneidaBarretoPereira-ev1jd Жыл бұрын

ola .estou interessada mas moro no brasil , como fariamos um acordo?

@ricardopereira3263 11 ай бұрын

You sell the f828 ?

@ricardopereira3263 11 ай бұрын

Oi, olá, eu quero comprar , você estaria interessada ? Qual é o seu mínimo , no valor? ,E você vende com esse imã de terras raras m52 ? Sabe onde encontrar esse imã?

@moradaitchrif 5 жыл бұрын

please help me

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

What are you having difficulty with regarding the camera?

@sjhstone 4 жыл бұрын

An inside look of what happened: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p5mHgZSbm7aUqac.html

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes that's exactly what's happening inside the camera, it's removing that IR cut glass from the optical path.

@micahnightwolf 4 жыл бұрын

I've had a DSC-F707 for years. I don't remember the night shot mode being disabled on that one, but anyway... It's kinda ridiculous how much power misinformation can have when consumed by a technologically illiterate public.

@xsync336 3 жыл бұрын

The night shot mode isn't disabled on any of the models. However when using the night shot mode the camera by factory settings will keep the aperture fully wide open, thus making it difficult to use in daylight without the magnet trick.