Is my tailstock actually out of alignment ? Sounds serious !!!!! Camera: Nikon L820
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@rude2523 жыл бұрын
"Has that razor blade been calibrated recently?" I bet ol' mate is thinking something along those lines lol. Nice one Rob! Learnt something new again 👍
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful. Cheers Rob
@devster523 жыл бұрын
One of the great things about doing this kind of work is that no matter how many years you have been at it you can still learn something. I have never seen anyone check alignment like that before. I have laid my 6 inch scale on a round part and used the tip of the drill to tell me if I am on center and I have used my scale between a cutting tool and something round in the chuck to see if I am on center but I had never thought of checking tail stock alignment the way you did. Thanks!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
It's the ultimate test. Pass this and your lathe is in good shape as far as center line alignment goes. Cheers Rob
@danielabbey77263 жыл бұрын
Simple but effective. Great tip, Rob!
@flyingshards5953 жыл бұрын
Your tips are really helpful, thanks Rob! Those double edged razors are super handy for all sorts of things in the shop. I like how they flex to conform to a surface better than a single edged blade.
@samrodian9193 жыл бұрын
Including how useful they are for slicing your bloody pun intended fingers open!
@zjtr10 Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear all is well
@ianbertenshaw43503 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob , I wish i had a dollar for every time i have read about or watched a video of how to get the tailstock perfectly aligned and all the stuffing around associated with the techniques they showed . I have seen guys using indicators mounted to the chuck to clock the tailstock barrel , turning bits of bar between centres and all sorts of wiz bang ideas and all of them are overkill! . When i rebuild a lathe i set up the headstock using a precision test bar as this is important i then shove a dead centre in the tailstock and lightly grip the end of this in the chuck and tighten the tailstock adjusting bolts and that is that - for 90% of the work i do with the tailstock ( mostly drilling ) it is good enough . If i do turn between centres i then do adjustments as needed using the workpiece as a guide and when it is all done i use the same method you have just shown to check where everything is sitting and adjust as needed . Lathe beds ( hobby ) are never perfectly straight or unworn so what you set at the chuck will differ to what you get at the other end of the bed and it doesn’t take much twist to knock your tailstock out of perfect alignment - how do they know if the ways where the tailstock is running are truly collinear with the ways where the bed runs ? I learned this running cylindrical grinders and you didn’t have time to stuff around getting back to parallel after grinding a taper - use the scale on the end of the table to get a base zero then touch of at each end of the workpiece and use the feed dial to tell you how far off you are and adjust accordingly. That’s what i like - nice and simple , get it done and get on with the job !
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that about sums it up. The razor blade test is just an indicator, but not how I would set up a tailstock. I generally tram a test bar with a test indicator. Even that is no guarantee and there is no substitute for miking the job in a few places to confirm linearity. Having a tool makers lathe makes for good practice ;) Cheers Rob
@txlabmansteamtoysmore49803 жыл бұрын
Another great tip Rob. Cheers, Charlie
@ozrc10173 жыл бұрын
Great video again. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and tips!!!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers Rob
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Try this with your lathe and see how you get on. NOTE: I always align the tailstock by tramming an indicator along a test bar and then checking any job with a micrometer in several places. The razor blade test is a good reference/quick indicator, but doesn't take into account any twist in the bed or ways. It's quite possible that the tailstock may be off centre at maximum distance between centers if the bed is not perfectly true. Cheers Rob
@tomt95433 жыл бұрын
Great vid of a simple, super useful trick! Thanks for teaching this old dog a new trick!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@glennfelpel97853 жыл бұрын
Wow what alignment, fantastic. I really need to to that too. Never thought about doing that. So simple and neat. Thank you
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop3 жыл бұрын
G'day Rob. Thanks for another handy tip.
@TheEvertw3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip! Thanks!
@samrodian9193 жыл бұрын
Rob, so yes he WAS talking out of his arse! Loved the demmo with the razor blade mate!
@patriciocordova4493 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Robbie, I’m fairly new to lathes and I didn’t know about this, I’m off to check mine.Cheers.
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Good luck Marco. Cheers Rob
@jonsworkshop3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, great demo of the same quick and dirty method I use often to check things are in alignment. I think a lot of the issue here is camera angles, I have watched lots of my content back during editing and seen stuff that I didn't see live on the machine and that was not born out in the dimensional results. This is the issue often created when watching 3d stuff on 2d screen with parallax error and fish eye thrown in for good measure. Cheers, Jon
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, yes camera angle is a bit of a bug bear with videos. Still it makes for a useful topic, even though this trick is as old as the hills. Cheers Rob
Thanks Cliff, the old Nikon has great macro. Much better than my newer and way more expensive Lumix I bought to get an external mike jack. Why they don't put microphone jacks on cheaper cameras really bugs me. Cheers Rob
@carneeki3 жыл бұрын
Great trick Rob! I use a similar method for setting/checking centre of a tool, never thought about trying it in the tailstock. Going to keep that method in the tool box for the future :)
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, it's the same method for center height. This idea has been around since lathes and drills were invented. I usually check tool height against a center in the tailstock as you aren't always turning an item that readily takes a flat checking surface (eg, when boring, or a very narrow work face). It's a habit I got into, but there are no hard and fast rules in this game, so do whatever works best for you. Cheers Rob
@carneeki3 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu yeah - the habit I got into at class was to set all my tools on centre in quick change holders before starting anything. I'm soooo glad I never had to use the lantern style holder! Have a good one!
@GoCreateHobbyMachineShop3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic tip!
@Maxtcc3 жыл бұрын
Life is good, do as you do, and have a good time.
@TheKnacklersWorkshop3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, Good video... Quite hard to argue with that evidence, although some will I am sure. Have a good week. Paul,,
@5tr41ghtGuy3 жыл бұрын
In the past I was stupid enough to adjust the left-right of my tailstock by turning a round bar over and over. The razor blade trick is way easier *and* faster - thanks for demonstrating!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, the razor blade trick is a fast and easy way to check alignment and you can use it for adjustment. I usually use a test bar and test indicator to set mine up, but that's just force of habit I guess. Cheers Rob
@jessegroth2867 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JG-kv4oi3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, and handy also as I shave with a double edge razor. I'll try it out on my Jet 13x40. Thanks! From Montana
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
With all these modern whizz bang double edged razor blades these days, I thought afterwards maybe no one will have an old style razor blade :) Cheers Rob
@LetsRogerThat3 жыл бұрын
Good enough for me and the crap I make. Good tip
@johnkinnane5473 жыл бұрын
G'day Rob good to see you again well you proved a lot in this video one that your lathe is in perfect alignment and the other is blowing the smoke out his arse! Keep safe and well mate. PS how's the old blue tongue is he still around the shed? Regards John
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, the blue tongue has disappeared. A younger replacement moved in, but he too has shot through. I was surprised the lathe was still in spec after all these years, but it was near on 100% true. It's a good simple test. Any serious misalignment will be dramatically obvious. Very old trick that's been used for 100 years. Stay safe and well. Cheers Rob
@markoreilly90923 жыл бұрын
All ways used the "razor" technique to find tool centre hight. I use a 6" rule.
@lawrencewillard63703 жыл бұрын
My lathe needs the moon to be in line with the Sun to get that accuracy. Use a smaller drill than stated, to get correct size. Going out now to shim some play out on the crosslide/ bed. Also put a lock on the bed.
@paulmorrey7333 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@humanspirit34323 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use indicator attached to the backplate or to lathe chuck and to rotate it around tailstock dead center.
@garylarson63863 жыл бұрын
tolerance for expensive good drill bits is only .005 - .012 , we always use a center drill
@martinpetho46873 жыл бұрын
Hi Rod thanks for your teaching videos ,very helpful. I'm in Adelaide to but looking for some brass brazing rods thinner then 2 mm and a small amount for small jobs as i have been watching your brazing videos where would you suggests to go in Adelaide.
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Martin, the only rods I will use are BOC Profill. They have an outlet on South Road at Richmond. www.boc.com.au/shop/en/au/boc-profill-mang-bronze-gas-welding-rod Cheers Rob
@martinpetho46873 жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu thanks Rod
@TheFishingHobby3 жыл бұрын
There is a good chance if someone saw a drill bit jump a bit as it was first engaging the work, the drill bit itself wasn't perfectly straight to start with or the drill chuck is just a bit off. I see mine do that quite often on my lathe, but the tailstock is dead nuts on with the headstock spindle. I don't see my center drills do that, so I'd be more inclined to think it is the cheap jobber drill bits I use. Maybe that was what he was seeing?
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Maybe.
@maxwinfield83883 жыл бұрын
If the drill bit isn't sharpened symmetrically or the Jacobs chuck is a bit worn you may see this happen.
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the drill grind can easily (and most likely) cause this. Quite a few things can cause it. Cheers Rob
@RetroSteamTech3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob. I hoped you mic'd that razor blade up before you used it to ensure that it was uniformally flat 😂😂😂 Cheers, Alan.
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Deary me no. Bad Rob
@samrodian9193 жыл бұрын
I went back and looked at the previous video and yes that spot drill did wander around but I think I spotted the reason for it. Rob did not face the end of the brass by the look of it. He cut the brass on the bandsaw, then put in collet and threaded it . It looks as if there is a cut surface not faced as he spot drills it I could be wrong and if I am correct that would be the reason why the 2mm spot drill wandered. Rob it's down to you to tell us if you did or didn't face the brass before spot drilling the work !
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Guilty as charged. It looked like a clean cut so I went with it. Brass also tends to grab a bit with really sharp drills and this was happening as well. I think you have identified the culprit (s). Bad Rob.
@boatbeard77673 жыл бұрын
I think it's more likely a drill is not true or the face of the work than the alignment of your lathe... I know what the bloke is saying but it can be an artifact of having a camera mounted somewhere you could get some vibration or strobing effect from lighting flicker etc. that gives that apparent movement of a drill bit. Surely the heavy shaft of a centre drill is to give a rigid and true alignment for the relatively small tip section - compared to the small shaft diameter of a small drill bit and the likelyhood quite a few of those cheap small bits are not actually straight on close inspection even from the packet...
@gregwmanning3 жыл бұрын
Gday Rob, I am a new subscriber not at all negative. I too saw the drill jump/climb. I just went back and watch your collet video again, 15:58 and for the next 10 sec as you repeatedly touched the drill to the brass rod the drill looked to jump a little. I has seen similar "jumps" on other youtube lathe videos. Obviously your tailstock alignment is perfect, another commentor says the drill maybe bent, that also is easy to check (roll it on a flat surface). What gets me, if it were a random equip error the drill would jump in random directions at each instant, but they always seen to jump up vertically. So maybe it is a camera parallax/trick or similar. Keep up the good work Has the small sumore arrived? Greg
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, this can be caused by a number of factors. It can even be camera angle. Maybe if the comment had been less forthright I wouldn't have done this video ;) The Sumore lathe hasn't arrived yet. Hopefully it will be Monday. Cheers Rob
@pgs85973 жыл бұрын
G’day Rob. Looking sharp there mate. Poor comments make for a good tips video, always look for a positive. Cheers Peter
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, yes it can lead on to interesting stuff at times. I was a bit surprised at how few people seemed to have ever seen this trick. It was always the favourite buzz word back in the 80's. I guess I must be showing my age ;) Cheers Rob
@MyHeap3 жыл бұрын
Well I am only a neophyte or tyro when it comes to metal work. But I sometime think my drills are jumping to center when I drill on the lathe. BUT ... As long as it runs true while I am making the hole then there is nor worry to me. It doesn't seem to affect my projects at all. I think another way that you can prove your tailstock base is not worn dropping the quill is to mount a piece of know good round stock between centers and run a clock along the top of the bar with the carriage. Good tip and demonstration Rob. Now as far as blowing smoke out of my ass, well I had this Mexican dish one time ........ Joe
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
I always align the tailstock by tramming an indicator along a test bar, same as you. The razor blade test is a good reference/quick indicator, but it doesn't take into account any twist in the bed or ways. It's quite possible that the tailstock may be off centre at maximum separation between centers. Mexican food can do that to you ;) Cheers Rob
@Chrispruitt83 Жыл бұрын
What if your tailstock is lower then the spindle? How do you adjust that?
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
Many Asian tailstocks are made in two pieces to allow for horizontal adjustment. Use a shim between the two pieces at the front edge to lift the quill centre.
@frankish53143 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I notice things can look a bit out of line due to the camera being used. I have never seen the razor blade test so I'm off out to my workshop to check my own tailstock.. Cheers!
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
It's a very old test that a few manufacturers recommend in their user manuals. Try it with the tailstock quill extended and retracted as that will also indicate if there is any divergence in the quill. Cheers Rob
@conservative-proud Жыл бұрын
If the length of the bed was out by a mm or two, at the end, the centres would still meet in the centre, and the razor blade would still be vertical… I have a problem with my lathe in that when I turn a 25mm x 300mm shaft (without using a centre), it is smaller at the end and larger at the chuck end… this means that the end bedway is not perfectly aligned with the chuck… so I need to find a way to bring the end of the bedway closer to the operators side… I haven’t worked out how to do that yet…
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
Hi Barry. You just move the tailstock away from the operator to fix the taper error. It should have adjustment to allow for that. Cheers Rob
@conservative-proud Жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu no, if I use a live centre, then it is parallel… but if I don’t use a live centre, just a 25mm shaft, 6 or 8 inches in length, then the shaft is tapered…
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
If you machine that length of shaft unsupported it will certainly be tapered smaller at the chuck end, if the centers are aligned. The job will flex away from the cutter the further away from the chuck you cut. Why would you not support the job ? I don't understand what you are saying as the result makes no sense.
@conservative-proud Жыл бұрын
@@Xynudu surely, a shaft that is 25mm ØD by 8 inches long, doesn’t need a centre support ? Maybe then I have to change my approach to this… i am inexperienced so I will take your advice…
@Xynudu Жыл бұрын
The job will definitely flex/bend away from the cutter pressure. Support the job and you will see a difference.
@tinnedanger6 ай бұрын
What if the bed is twisted ?
@Xynudu6 ай бұрын
This method won't show that.
@kentuckytrapper7803 жыл бұрын
The smoke coming from his ass must be messing with his eyesight, looks dead nuts to me. Great info.
@stanwooddave97583 жыл бұрын
As we say here in America, it's the angle of the dangle, that will get you. wink, wink. Good stuff to know. Thanks for sharing the video, and the bird sounds. Now, go get a cold one, you earned it.
@wibblywobblyidiotvision3 жыл бұрын
Hah. there's loads of people who'll happily tell you your equipment's all wankered. Or even that your filming's just plain shit. Your tailstock is fine, and there's loads of things that'll make a centre drill (or any other drill) jump a tiny amount Good demonstration of the technique, though. 👍
@Xynudu3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michel. Cheers Rob
@artmckay6704 Жыл бұрын
Aren't armchair critics something else? They know so much it's nearly impossible to keep up with them. It must be that brain growing diet of Cheetos and Mountain Dew consumed in Mom's basement at 35 years of age..... Yes sir, those mighty and impressive armchair geniuses are truly a breed apart! Unmarried, jobless, and camping out in Mommy's basement. Truly impressive pillars of erudition and wisdom inspired and fueled by the aforementioned nerd diet. Watch those Cheetos crumbs while you're spitting out curse words at the screen. Too bad we can't collect em all in one place and have that Brain Trust replace everyone's governments. That'd be spectacular and good for investors in Cheetos n Mountain Dew :)