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How to Decode a Control Key for Small Format Core (SFIC)

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MBS Lock Hardware Tutorials

MBS Lock Hardware Tutorials

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Demonstration that shows how to decode the key cut for a Control Key for a small format core ie. Marshall Best, Best, Falcon, Arrow. This applies to an A2 master key system. This method is used when you are unable to retrieve the codes or the control key has been lost.

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@kevenquinlan
@kevenquinlan Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Super simple explanation. You should make a series of videos where you decode a lock for operator, control, and master and how it's done.
@killer2600
@killer2600 6 ай бұрын
This only works if the cylinder was properly combinated to exact A2 specification. If someone chose top pin by "good enough to work" standards then measuring the top pin won't work.
@dennischausse3075
@dennischausse3075 3 жыл бұрын
I understand but why is 13 the magic number
@kenchilton
@kenchilton 2 жыл бұрын
It is due to the distance from the cap to the control parting line and for the length of the spring. The total stack in A2 is 23, and the distance between the parting lines is 10, so 23-10=13, which is what is left after the bottom pins, master pins, and buildup pins get the chamber up to the control parting line.
@stevemartinism
@stevemartinism 4 жыл бұрын
Made it simple to understand. Thanks for sharing, stay safe🇺🇸
@stevendiemer7854
@stevendiemer7854 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, just the answer I was looking for.
@shadroid
@shadroid 2 ай бұрын
Not directly related though a passing mention of how to replace the cap on the top of the barrel would have been in order.
@faradaymaxwell
@faradaymaxwell 4 жыл бұрын
How do you get that icore out to do this , with out the control key?
@johnholding107
@johnholding107 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what I would like to know as well.
@idkidk4334
@idkidk4334 2 жыл бұрын
This is for if you pick the core out of the lock/housing, I had to pick one out then I reverse engineered a core key so I can reuse the housings. Have a keying block, a sfic kit, key cutter, and the wall of key blanks
@kenchilton
@kenchilton 2 жыл бұрын
It is possible to remove the core from some locksets when the door is already unlocked by disassembling the lockset from the door. The only reason to have to decode the control key is when taking over a set of locks and the paperwork is not available from the previous locksmith. Decoding cores is not a primarily technique for entry, although picking an SFIC core to control is not a huge secret.
@craigslitzer4857
@craigslitzer4857 Жыл бұрын
​@@kenchiltonI recently took over a set of locks and although most of the paperwork is available, not all of it is. So far I have found 3 different controls and am aware of a 4th. I've only had to drill out one lock so far, but will probably have to drill out a lot more before I'm done. Hoping to minimize that, so I'm considering learning to rake & pick.
@markklossner8740
@markklossner8740 Жыл бұрын
How would you decode the control key for an A4 system? What number would you subtract from to get the key cut?
@geraldskinner63
@geraldskinner63 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@user-we9pp9lc7w
@user-we9pp9lc7w 6 ай бұрын
What is the subtraction number for an A4 system?
@rituallime8587
@rituallime8587 4 жыл бұрын
Can u find a change key the same way just with a different equation
@kenchilton
@kenchilton 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, sort of. If it is master keyed, you will be able to identify many keys that will open the lock this way, but you won’t know which are the masters and which is the change key without decoding more cores.
@lockpremium9826
@lockpremium9826 3 жыл бұрын
About how to decode the master key bitting?
@SadSam69
@SadSam69 Жыл бұрын
Why do you use the number 13 can you please explain that
@killer2600
@killer2600 6 ай бұрын
Another comment answered this already, before you even asked, but I'll reiterate it. In an A2 system all the pins in a chamber (the pin stack) add up to 23. The distance between the change key shear line and the control key shear line is 10. 23 minus 10 = the magic number 13. Why does 13 mean anything special? The pin stack always adds up to 23 (on an A2 system) and the distance between the two shear lines is fixed at 10 so only the bottom and top pins will vary to add up to the necessary 23. If we have bottom pins that match our control key then what remains is the top pin which equals 23 - 10 - bottom pin/control key = top pin i.e. 13 - control key = top pin or for our purposes 13 - top pin = control key. The caveat to all of this is the requirement that the lock was properly pinned up by the book to A2 specifications. If someone chose random top pins, the lock can still work but this technique of measuring only the top pin to determine the control key will not work. In such a rare and unlikely case, you would have to measure the entire pin stack and use the formula: (control key cut + 10) - plug total = build-up pin. Plug total being the sum of bottom pins and master pins in a chamber.
@DVS-ANIME
@DVS-ANIME 3 жыл бұрын
What if your top pin is a 14?
@kenchilton
@kenchilton 2 жыл бұрын
Then it is not an A2 system or the lock is not a BEST style. In an SFIC with A2 numbering, the length of the spring and the distance from the control parting line to the cap are fixed dimensions that make the longest top pin that reliably works a 13. Longer pins are only used for buildup.
@kurogane2x
@kurogane2x Жыл бұрын
First i thought this was going to be an attack on a sfic stuck in the lock due to no conkey lol
@bigbrother9531
@bigbrother9531 4 жыл бұрын
Wake me up when its over
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