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Hi Andreas, thanks for your comment, I'm glad you liked the video! You could call it a variation of the Ippon Seoi Nage, however when you extend your leg backwards the name of the throw actually changes into Ippon Seoi Otoshi in order to distinguish between the two.

It would not be incorrect, no. It would still be Ippon Seoi Otoshi

@@SampsonJudo Thank you for your reply. I do brazilian jiu jitsu and looking for a good turn throw to use. I am a short guy and was thinking this or tai otoshi.

Yes this is a very powerful throw if done correctly. However with BJJ be careful of giving your back up so personally I would do this without dropping your knee on the floor as it’ll give less chance fir someone to take your back (as you’ll naturally be higher if your leg is up). With BJJ guys, I find Ashi waza (foot sweeps) are very effective and a good, safe bet.

@@SampsonJudo I usually go with ashi waza. But I had my first competition this week. My opponent was much taller and hinged at the waist so his legs were far. I thought maybe he was vulnerable to a forward throw in retrospect.

@@SampsonJudo Professor, in tai otoshi should the kuzushi be straight forward or kind of circular to the front corner?

Thanks

Nick DaRose did you say over the hip for ippon se onage?

Nick DaRose I think that over the shoulder defines better ippon seoi nage

This argument you raise is one that has gone round many times. The Kodokan do officially name Seoi Otoshi as you describe, and even name a drop Seoi Nage on two knees Seoi Otoshi (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNthh7CHs9TVY2g.html). Some believe it is due to the IJF/Kodokan trying to give a name to what was previously known as Drop Seoi Nage (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNZxobKpycrZf40.html). Myself and many other argue that this is an incorrect classification. I believe that it is better to differentiate the two based on how the leg is positioned. This is also how I was originally taught; and how many others have been taught. If you google Ippon Seoi Otoshi, the majority of references will look similar to how I have demonstrated it.

If you check out the book “Kodokan Throwing Techniques” by Toshiro Daigo, who was Chief Instructor at the Kodokan, the section on Seoi Otoshi shows the technique in three ways. 1) One knee down, on the inside 2) One knee down, on the outside (how I have shown it) 3) Two knees down Hope this helps!

@@SampsonJudo Dear Sampson, thank you very much for your detailed feedback. As a matter of fact, my understanding was exactly like yours and I still think this differentiation is more intuitive than the one by Kodokan. Perhaps it would have been worth mentioning this ongoing dispute in one sentence in your video. But I - and my pupils for certain - will be fine with a certain degree of fuzziness regarding these two perspectives. Again, thanks for your time! Christian

I agree, a video on this topic would be something worth doing!

The differece between seoi nage and seoi otoshi is how uke moves during the throw. In Seoi otoshi uke fall downwards. In seoi nage goes up over the back of tori then down. As performed its a seoi nage with legs wide apart. Kodokan also point out that at least one leg/knee has to be in kontact with the mat to be a seoi otoshi. Standing with the lgs wide apart dosnt make it seoi otoshi by it self.its still a seoi nagen, in the version a ippon seoi nage