How to end the drug war for good | Kat Murti | The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

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The head of Students for Sensible Drug Policy clarifies the misconceptions around decriminalization, safe injection sites, and whether Trump or Biden is better on drug policy.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:03 What is Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP)?
00:05:59 The Drug War is far from over
00:08:45 Don’t let politicians get away with empty legalization promises
00:10:45 What’s the best legalization model?
00:16:26 How do we activate the youth vote?
00:19:10 Harm reduction vs. prohibition
00:22:51 Drug education And safety
00:26:33 ALL of us are on drugs
00:27:17 The Rat Park Experiment
00:29:30 How to make safe injection sites Work
00:34:48 SSDP & psychedelics
00:40:50 Shifting attitudes toward drug legalization
00:46:45 Kat Murti’s career in drug policy
00:49:19 How to pursue drug policy wins despite polarization
00:51:19 Audience Q&A
#warondrugs #marijuananews #psychedelicscience #podcasts
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Today's guest is Kat Murti, the new executive director of Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP), the country's oldest and most influential student group challenging the war on drugs. Before taking the helm at SSDP, Kat was a longtime staffer at the libertarian Cato Institute, a founder of Feminists for Liberty, and an SSDP chapter head at the University of California, Berkeley, where she attended undergrad. Reason's Nick Gillespie talks with Murti about the role that young people in particular can play in ending prohibition, why marijuana has yet to be legalized at the federal level, and whether Donald Trump and Republicans or Joe Biden and Democrats are actually worse when it comes to drug policy reform.
This interview was taped live at an event cosponsored by The Psychedelic Assembly in midtown Manhattan.

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@markblack5460 29 күн бұрын

Why do we fight the war on drugs? Because the war on alcohol went so well?

@syruptishuss 27 күн бұрын

In the fine tradition of American enterprise, those who have profited from prohibition are positioning themselves to profit from legalization.

@hammyhamhamster5993 21 күн бұрын

Cannabis should be absolutely just as legal and easy to obtain anywhere as alcohol currently is. In every single state. No exceptions. It's so easy: As legal and easy to obtain/use as alcohol currently is. Why hold relatively benign, often healing cannabis to any sort of irrational, stricter double standard than perfectly legal alcohol?...

@jmcoelho7 29 күн бұрын

Why are we still pretending that convictions for cannabis weren't plea deals for bigger infractions and that is what is skewing those stats on cannabis convictions.

@jefft8597 29 күн бұрын

100 percent correct. Also people forget if you don't follow all of the rules growing and collecting taxes, you can still go to jail. Same as with alcohol.

@dfdf4874 29 күн бұрын

Precisely. Its obfuscation.

@warrengraham5419 27 күн бұрын

We need federal legalization primarily to by default end employment discrimination on the basis of using a legal substance. California and Montana have made their own laws for this but they have carveouts for federal contracts and federal workers, and of course the vast majority of states with recreational marijuana have no protections whatsoever, your boss can fire and blacklist you irrespective of whether you were or were not intoxicated on the job.

@sanniepstein4835 Күн бұрын

No. We should be free to hire or fire anyone we choose. That's liberty.

@warrengraham5419 Күн бұрын

@sanniepstein4835 It isn't freedom for the employees when something that remains testable 90 days after they have consumed it, exludes them from all federally controlled sites, all federal jobs and contracts, and from being hired by a significant cohort of employers who's are more concerned about avoiding the less than 10% of users who cost the company money than they are about reducing their applicant pool or effectively forcing people to give up their right to use marijuana so that they can make a living, thus constraining them from enjoying many multiples of the enjoyment they could get out of life just to avoid the severe negative consequences of unemployment.

@warrengraham5419 Күн бұрын

@sanniepstein4835 What we have now is a situation you can't imagine being the case for something else which has similar impact on happiness. Imagine an employer could fire you for getting married. Your spending time with your spouse and building a nest together? Well that cuts into the company's bottom line. Or if they could fire you for having a child. Parental leave costing the company money your gone. Restrictions on the rights of employers particularly for social choices are a paradoxical case where the government protects the freedom of the greater number by enforcing a restriction on a smaller number who have authority over them. There is nearly no difference in practical terms between that and the federal government pre-empting the creation of for example state or local laws which would establish or exclude specific religions.

@Hedgehobbit 29 күн бұрын

I want to see that data that 90% of people believe that pot should be legal.

@matthewjohnston1400 29 күн бұрын

I’ve seen this data in Canada. It was 90% in favour of ending criminal prosecution 20 years ago.

@jimlovesgina 29 күн бұрын

@@dogbreaththe3rd851 I am not a drug addict and I support legalization.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

@@dogbreaththe3rd851I don't even drink alcohol and I support the end of this absurd "war on drugs".

@matthewjohnston1400 29 күн бұрын

@@dogbreaththe3rd851 true.

@ttttggggg636 29 күн бұрын

IF YOU ASK PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY IN REHABS

@onetwo19 29 күн бұрын

I'm Canadian and the gov now has to fix just one year of decriminalation. What seems to work in countries like Portugal is the carrot and stick. The wokey Canadian gov only use the carrots while thousands die. Enforcement is a dirty word. Pressure to enter treatment is seen as inhumane. The biggest push has been to destigmatize and change the language so now instead of The Homeless, we must say People Experiencing Homelessness. The woke do the least possible amount of work for the greatest possible amount of virtue signalling.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

This has nothing to to.with wokeness, and I hate wokies and any kind of socialist. I recommend you read the work of David Nutt and Antonio Escohotado's "A General History Of Drugs".

@SurvivorPrepper1776 29 күн бұрын

Social Equity Business Licensing does not seem to align with actual Free Market Capitalist principles. Seems like an Authoritarian or Communistic/Socialist structure. 🤔

@LifeInFrame 29 күн бұрын

Hi, I'd recommend dropping the background music in the intro. I almost clicked away when i thought the whole video was going to have background music.

@YKLWEF 28 күн бұрын

Could you please post a version without the irritating "music" in the background?

@jefft8597 29 күн бұрын

We ended the war on shoplifting. Now people can shoplift almost as much as they want. I can hardly wait until they end the war on bank robbery, car jacking, and murder.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

All the examples you pointed out damage another party. Drug consumption as a posisibility is a consequence of actually owning your own body and does not victimize anybody anymore than alcohol consumption (and alcohol is already one of the most damaging if not the most damaging drug overall, see David Nutt's work).

@TeachingLiberty 29 күн бұрын

Good stuff, Kat!

@abramgaller2037 29 күн бұрын

Abolish the FDA and all drug laws. Aside from impaired operations of vehicles and other sensitive things it is not government's business.

@noneyabizz8337 29 күн бұрын

This is such a simple minded take. We don't know what those people were doing, charges get dropped all the time due to plea deals or ability to prosecute and convict vs what may be a waste of time. Just because we know a guy got arrested with a baggy, that doesn't mean that's all that was going on I support things like this moving forward, provided a bit of pot is all they're found with. To retroactively implement this? That's some no volt brain logic.

@brianallen4657 29 күн бұрын

Oregon legalization was a disaster. I have turned 180 degrees on any idea of further drug legalization. Persistently tying this as a result of homelessness and mental health is complete nonsense - it’s mostly the other way around in my opinion - homelessness and to some extent, mental disorders can be attributed to drug use. Many Oregonians are feeling the same way which was why the law was recently overturned. You think that legalization is the right direction then by all means you can experiment in your own neighborhood, and good luck with that.

@strayedarticle2838 17 күн бұрын

Decriminalization without safer legal alternatives to black market drugs is one of the reasons that failed in Oregon. That and the fact that housing is so expensive, and there were already alot of mentally ill homeless, that are unqualified for most jobs thag pay a living wage. Fentanyl wouldn't be the drug of choice if the free market could sell drugs that don't have to be smuggled in someones butt.

@Slarti 29 күн бұрын

I have only started watching this, bit if she says thtat the only way to fix it is to legalise all drugs I am fucking right out of here - as that's like saying the best way to prevent murders is to decriminalise it. Just look at those countries and cities that have decriminalised drugs - they are shit holes.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

They are shitholes for all their other policies, not drug legalization. Also, murder victimizes another person. Your comparison is terrible. I advice you check David Nutt's work so you see how alcohol is literally the most damaging drug all things considerd and how prohibition feeds violent druglords and the black budget of shady intelligence agencies. Also check Antonio Escohotado's "A General History Of Drugs".

@jimlovesgina 29 күн бұрын

By that logic, we should just go back to alcohol prohibition. We know it doesn't work. Alcohol consumption was just driven underground and was less safe since there was no motivation to make it safe. It costs a lot of money to police prohibition and the prisons end up full of people who are essentially harming nobody. The same can be said about drug prohibition. It isn't an argument to solve drug addiction. It is an argument to solve the ridiculous costs. People will get the drugs anyway along with the costs. Why not just let them be addicts? It is happening anyway. Use does NOT go up when it is made legal. Look at how bad it is now when drugs are illegal. Many shit-holes.

@MeRia035 29 күн бұрын

And you've been to all these "shit hole" countries and seen this with your very own eyes? Did you interview a variety of people there to understand all the reasons they live in a shit hole country? Do you believe everything you are told by those in authority? Comparing murder with drug legalization is absolutely ludicrous. A profoundly uneducated statement.

@sbradley7817 23 күн бұрын

Her comments on Measure 110 in Oregon on scapegoating other social issues, showed total ignorance of the implementation and impact. Instead of contrasting it with other similar decriminalization efforts to get key learnings and improvements, she crapped away the credibility of her other comments. You can’t hand waive away negative examples of real policy problems to address and have credibility. Disappointing.

@eb-pe8xg 29 күн бұрын

How to end the drug war for good..? Let's convince people to stop taking drugs. Or convince people to stop selling drugs, especially addictive drugs. Or convince people to stop killing people over drugs and the money they get from selling drugs. Perhaps convince people who take drugs and commit crimes to get money to buy drugs, to stop taking drugs or at least stop committing crimes to get money to buy drugs. I'm guessing Kat hasn't noticed in the states where weeds has been decriminalized, folks are still committing crimes in the name of drugs.

@MeRia035 29 күн бұрын

Have you ever tried to convince someone of something? About anything? How well did that go for you? 😅

@michaelbockert8280 29 күн бұрын

POT should NOT be legal. Instead of just prison have them in a work/labor program during their time in prison to work for the city/state projects.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

It should be legal because each of us owns their respective body and the state is not your daddy. The only thing the drug on war does is enable bloodthirsty druglords and the black budget of intelligence agencies (see Gary Webb). Also, alcohol is already more damaging than any other illegal drug all things considered (see David Nutt). I recommemd you read "A General History Of Drugs" by Antonio Escohotado.

@noneyabizz8337 29 күн бұрын

Prisoners absolutely should be out doing work that benefits the public.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

@dogbreaththe3rd851 Are you going to engage with my comment, or will you just accuse me of being a drug addict? I don't even drink alcohol btw.

@sebastiansirvas1530 29 күн бұрын

@@dogbreaththe3rd851 You keep ignoring the content of my original comment and instead you engage in this idiotic conversation that does not deal with the topic at hand directly.

@Hedgehobbit 29 күн бұрын

@@sebastiansirvas1530 Alcohol is only more damaging because of its widespread usage. If you are arguing for the legalization of drugs, you need to consider the damaging effects of vastly increasing their usage as well. In David Nutt's chart, for example, he claims that LSD is only 1/3rd as harmful as pot.

@yeshua64 29 күн бұрын

We need more Portland policies

@homewall744 29 күн бұрын

That you think the homeless and open drug problems is due to stopping the war on drugs, did you also see drunks in every sidewalk when Prohibition ended?

@noneyabizz8337 29 күн бұрын

God no

@SurvivorPrepper1776 29 күн бұрын

Adderall is actually not legal to purchse, process and/or use without a prescription. A drug that requires a prescription to have, should not be considered to be "Legal".

@SurvivorPrepper1776 29 күн бұрын

Crazy how Kat Murti has not spoken, not once, about the State of Nevada which is arguably the most Libertarian friendly state in all of the United States of America, especially with psychoactive substances. Caffeine (pills, coffee, tea, energy drinks, etc.), Nicotine (cigarettes, cigars, other tobacco products, vaporizers (aka vapes), etc.), Alcohol (beer, wine & spirits/liquor), Cannabis CBD & THC (flower, resin, edibles, keef, etc.), Kava Kava, Kratom and more are ALL legal here in this state for adults.