Hey, how do u use content from movies without getting taken down for copyright claims?? I am planning start a new channel, so kinda need to know this.

@The_Closer_Look /sarcasm But the Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes is 86%, there's no way your poll about the film is accurate! People loved this film!

It's also because they abandon STAR WARS EU and destroy evrything George Lucas has created.

Awesome!

6:38 What's the exception to the rule ?

Why not? They don't care about canon, they care about money. There were news articles saying Rise of Skywalker was the highest grossing film of all time which gave Nerdotic a stroke.

I can’t believe I gave my money to that dumpster fire of a film

Ben Drescher The writers were just being honest lol

Even Oscar Isaac sighed before he said it like FFS this is stupid

When I heard that in the theater. "Somehow, Palpatine returned." any tiny investment I had left after the Last Jedi died. I knew then that this was going to be a mindless, brainless fan J.J Abrams movie. And it was. The quality of Star Wars films is so low at this point it's baffling.

And if it still makes a billion dollars and sucks, why bother making it not suck?

@@TheJadeFist because that requires effort and time

Ironically the same could be said about this pseudo intellectual video.

@@brandon7346 Ya but it's hard to deny how much more fun and hours of entertainment there has been around everyone trashing on this movie than the movie itself.

@@brandon7346 it was made by few people at most, is reasonably argumented, didn't make gazillion of dollars and yet is still better than entire new Trilogy. What the guy says is creative writing 101 intro.

It’s like poetry, They rhyme

no, he killed himself with force lightning, see... she didn't do it.

@@nybergsgarage assisted suicide isnt murder, noted JJ lmao.

Pretty sure Palpatine didn't mean literally he probably just meant kill me and that's when you'll really turn to the darkside and become like me.

@@sixfromtokyo he literally said he’d take over her body and live in her body, that’s the gravity of their writing

Well said

the worst part is he could have just offered to bring her parents back or some shit.

Wait this is so random, and you probably won’t get this, but I’m just realizing Seliph from Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War is a lot like Luke. 🤯

Palpatine was her family, so all along she had it with grandpa palpy. Lol

Does Rey actually want anything? Does she even have a will of her own?

It's easy to forget what happened in this movie because it's very forgettable

Me too. And I watched it THIS MORNING!

This honestly sums up my opinion of the movie better than any other review I've listened to or read. I honestly wouldn't call the plot bad, like I would with 8. It was just kinda forgettable.

I don’t remember the plot, I just remember papa palpa and a knife

I just rember i am all the jedi thing

They wanted a Disney Princess.

This the Mary Sue attribution. The Critical Drinker does a brutal but honest criticism of this film. If you havent seen it, it's worth a view. He's done a few on Disney Star Wars I think, and all of them have been pretty harsh.

@@a_lucientes Seen it. I love critical drinker.

So like Luke was in the original series

+Phillip Sandgren except Rey isn't feminine at all. She's a very masculine character, and a Mary Sue. Femininity is often associated with weakness, so they made her a masculine character who's always strong and never weak. Honestly she's just a bad character.

Agreed!.✅

Sure... but then TLJ happens and she not only gets her ass kicked left and right, but her victory over Kylo is explained in a way that minimizes her accomplishment. She simply beat a very weakened version of him after what he did to his father. It's then hinted how much stronger he's gotten when he's assured of himself in the throne room fight, wherein he fights several guards at once, and meanwhile, Rey is getting knocked around by just one, though she manages to beat him eventually. And sure enough, when they have their rematch in TROS, she loses. She gets the last stab only because of Leia's outside interference, but if not for that, Kylo would have won clean. So really, it makes more sense to compare her in TLJ to Luke in ESB, the dark midpoint of the trilogy. Since it would make just as little sense to say Luke had no struggle because he took out the planet-destroying Death Star in his first ever flight in an X-wing.

@@damkylan3 Luke was an experienced pilot. Rey thought the Force was a Myth. Your argument falls flat on its face

You can write a story where the protagonist is OP. A good story necessitates a struggle, but the struggle doesn't have to be physical.

That's because Kylo is a loser too. If Starkiller (Galen Marek) was in these movies he would have completely destroyed Rey, Kylo, Snoke, Palpatine and the entire First Order in two secs.

Yeah, the cast of the Sequels all feel like strangers. With the exception of original characters.

And it feels like the new characters are just hanging out together because the script told them to.

A lot of hack fraud writers don't know how to write OG characters. I'm watching Cobra Kai right now and THAT'S HOW YOU WRITE OG CHARACTERS. Daniel and Johnny have arcs that are connected and respectful to the original movies. They have personalities that are consistent with the original movies. They are not cardboard characters whose only role is to pass the torch to the new actors.

My thoughts exactly. I could have accepted the deaths of the OT..if they had spared Ben Solo. But not only did they kill him off, they did so in a manner that was an insult, then gave his name and family to the descendent of the Skywalkers' worst enemy. Rey is a Palpatine. Abrams' film was a thinly disguised slap in the face to fans of Ben/Kylo AND his family. Star Wars is dead to me now. I have zero interest in any of the 'new' characters post TROS.

I'm still just pretending the sequels never happened.

It's like Sony did for Andrew Garfield.

Yeah i've seen long compilations of him just saying like "it's ok" but you can tell how awful he thinks it is, feel bad

I wish I was a director and I could hire him for a space movie and make him the serious, pained character he was supposed to be, just to rub it in Disney's face. Then never work again.

At least he's not Marie Tran... or Ahmed Best, or Hayden Christiansen, or Jake Lloyd....

JOHN BOYEGA did nothing wrong, he is a precious marshmellow who must be protected. HE did great.

I agree except it’s kinda hard to make a guy with no working spine, fingers, or pupils a cute grandpa

Brendan McMahan I guess, but them bringing back Palpatine the mastermind for first 6 episodes only to shit on him, ruined the movie from get go. Palpatine looked an aging senator in first 3 movies, so they could’ve just done some bullshit and make him a normal looking human again 😂. Maybe then the story would make a little bit more sense.

He literally did that.

@@iShawrav They did that in Rebels. While that is a plodding, tonally inconsistent show, it's only slightly better than this film.

That would be good if the previous movies didn't exist and we haven't seen what he can do.

Yeah.. going the family angle would have at least been a little bit better than just repeating Luke's arc into this godawful movie.. at the very least, it would have made some modicum of sense.. this was just lazy

@@SK008 I mean, there are so many incredibly obvious little things tha wod improve the story so much, I often think they messed it up on purpose

@@Medaumplay3 honestly after TLJ's weird twists and turns, nothing would have saved the story.. but they still could have done a few things better.. some simple fixes could have made the plot coherent.. but it is just lazy writing.. I am not sure if they intentionally ruined this movie.. but they did a hell of a job wasting time and resources on this movie...

To be fair, her parents are super dead, and I’m not sure she’d really be down to spend Life Day at Grandpappy Palpatine’s secret Sith lair.

@@finalfroggitapproaches6418 Ehh, true. Still better than offering her "ultimate power" when that's never been what she was after, and also ignoring the ludicrous amount of power she already had.

Reys whole trilogy is on easy mode

Yeah whether you love the Prequels or not, at least it had story arcs and character arcs, all the structures that you need for a movie. The Disney Sequels are just a Tiktok compilation of unrelated clips. They stumble from one place to another until they end up in the climax.

Actually, it's more she never really expressed a desire to approach any of them, the exception being the end of the Last Jedi. In the Force Awakens, she runs away, gets captured, rescues herself and ultimately is tracked down by Finn who went on an incredibly reckless mission just to find her. The Last Jedi, she spends most of it on her own quest, seeks Ben out first, then approaches the Resistance afterwards. Return of, she doesn't really work with the others very much at all. She's on her own quest that they are accompanying her on, fails to rescue "chewie" (who is detained off screen by an antagonist who has practically no on screen presence, aside from posing like MCR groupies) and when she finds out he's actually alive? It's the others that actually goes to rescue him, she's just off on her own quest. Then flatly shoves Finn away and proceeds to have nothing to do with anyone for the rest of the movie, she goes to an island to hide, is talked out of it by someone who is dead, goes to Exogol by herself and is sought out again by Kylo. My issue was not her power, but that she never sought out anyone unless it was directly related to a personal goal. There are some interesting things, like her and Ben's common connection of not belonging anywhere, but I never felt she really cared about anyone around her, not really. Which is a pity because I feel Daisy was certainly capable of being a empathic character, just she spent most of the latter two movies on her own journey, that doesn't really anchor her to anyone around her.

Not only Rey Skywalker is the most powerful duelist and fighter. Obviously the most powerful force user with unmatched potential too, infinite times more powerful than full potential Anakin Skywalker. She is also the best starship captain, no one can’t compete at her level and match her natural talent and skills and also her full potential. Why do people underrates Rey Skywalker for no good reason, although she is the greatest character and part of the masterpiece of the sequel trilogy? Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest Skywalker and Palpatine, but also the greatest and also the most powerful Star Wars character, in general and also in terms of writing. Rey is also considered to be one of the most powerful character in fiction, some experts say she is levels above the One Above All. Her character’s writing and arc are considered to be one of the greatest outside of Star Wars, but also in cinema or all of stories. She is considered to be one of the greatest and most iconic characters in cinema, even more iconic than Darth Vader by infinite times which makes Rey Skywalker the most iconic Star Wars character and Disney princess. Although according to experts that she’s the most powerful character and not only in Star Wars, but in fiction, her insane struggles and greatest upbringing or backstory to the most tragic character that would make any famous and well-known Ancient Greek story-tellers cry and admit their greatest tragic stories, or story as a whole in general are nothing compared to the story of Rey Skywalker (more difficult than the rest of Star Wars characters and rest of characters in all of fiction) makes her the most relatable character and hardships to become a Jedi is insanely difficult and especially trying to resist the dark side. Rey Skywalker’s potential is greater than Anakin’s power and full potential. She is not only the greatest leader and candidate for woman empowerment, she is the only embodiment for it. Instead of fighting who is the best and greatest character in Star Wars. Or also the greatest trilogy in Star Wars. Let’s all admit and say the real truth and reality, Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest masterpiece of a character in Star Wars and the sequel trilogy has the greatest movies in Star Wars. Also, the sequel trilogy in Star Wars are the greatest trilogy in all of cinema, and considered to be greater than the Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Even the experts and the best or legendary directors such as George Lucas, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola and etc considers the all the three movies of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars are the greatest movies in history. Please no more fighting and bashing other characters, especially Rey Skywalker to say your favorite character is the best, especially Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker whom Rey Skywalker the real GOAT is infinite times better as a character in writing and relatable, and also more powerful.

Palpatine was so great in the prequels. Horrible waste of potential.

You think he would’ve learned his lesson with force lightning after losing to Windu(Lucas confirmed palpatine ACTUALLY lost he wasn’t faking it) and then getting screwed over by Anakin in Return of the Jedi, palpatine is so powerful why didn’t he just use another ability, he lifted thousands of star destroyers up didn’t he why does he continue to use something that almost got him killed and eventually DID get him killed, he may be a clone but he’s definitely aware of the events of the prequels and the originals judging by how he quoted a prequel line

True, but granted he couldn't really pull the same tricks as he did with Anakin cause the entire galaxy knows he's evil and...well...he looks like THAT But yeah, his potential was lost overall

Honestly, I know the first two prequels get a lot of hate for the awkward lovestory and the clumsy dialogue, but you can't deny that the overarching storyline of the prequels is well thought out and the third movie is a masterpiece.

@Skeleton Masher thats the point, he was just chucked in at the last moment because they realised they had no other way to finish this shitty movie

Rise of skywalker is an airplane movie. I just pull it up when I’m on a flight so I can go crazy mentally pointing out all of the writing mistakes in that garbage pile.

@@justoons2949 That might be the only way to stop people from leaving.

@@florianfreiberger7212 careful though... you don't want people hopping out of the airplane to avoid watching it.

I really only liked the scene where the fleet of ships arrived in the final battle, not because it was well written, but because it was visually appealing and the music was good That’s about it, it was fun mindless action

@@logeyperogi1805 to me that scene fell flat too. I can see how you might have enjoyed it, many ships and a quality musical score, but I've seen so many similar scenes (in Avengers endgame, Halo trilogy, etc.) that have come from well written franchises, so I'm used to seeing a scene like that in accompaniment with emotional buildup. and without the story filled, emotionally driven buildup to the scene, it seemed empty to me.

You’re giving way too much credit to Luke, there’s not that much to the character.

@@MrRyan-wu4jx Well... The legends Luke is badass

@@MrRyan-wu4jx The canon is actually good too. Not on the "sequel" though

@@Player-257 I just don’t feel like there’s enough middle ground in between his progression from insufferable whiny brat to pompous cold Jedi master. I’ve only seen the films, I’m sure there’s more to it in other media but most people don’t go deeper than just what’s presented in the movies.

@@MrRyan-wu4jx Well that's the problem with the sequels as well...

@Captain McDog Johnson took her in a pretty interesting direction with the whole ‘parents are nobody thing’. Her arc in this movie could have built on that and had it be about finding greatness within oneself. But TLJ bad so I guess we go with this contrived dark side temptation plot.

@@codingtime1711 Well it would have been great if she wasn’t super powerful from the start too. The Force is linked to self-actualization as well I think, so it should grow stronger as she comes to terms with herself.

@@wannabehistorian371 or at least explain why she is powerful (other than bloodline :/)

@@codingtime1711 even if TLJ wasn’t good, it still had some interesting ideas (like Kylo learning that he can’t be Darth Vader but it was executed poorly, or Kylo thinking to only focus on the future so that he won’t be reminded of his past, again executed a bit poorly, etc) it’s just the execution and his lack of knowledge of Star Wars that makes his film not good

@@raafeyplayz7015 Yup. It’s pretty symbolic of the sequel trilogy lol. I keep hearing TLJ fans going on about themes and it actually makes me like it less because the themes are good and could have been in a better movie. Rian’s bread and butter is making his own original stuff and not sequels or adaptations, which you could argue is actually more admirable. I just have to wonder why oh why it had to be the guy Lucasfilm hired. Especially in combination with the guy known for mystery boxes.

same with doctor who series 12 finale

Basically, Jedi Ghosts can use powers in the real world and Force Healing can bring back the dead, so no one should ever have to die in this Galaxy anymore since a ghost can just show up anywhere at anytime and cure death now.

@@Edax_Royeaux I'm imagining Anakin Skywalker realizing that he could do all of that and just breaking down into tears.

@@pokemonmaster0079 Huh. I guess he didn't need the dark side after all.

@@Edax_Royeaux Well Ach-to is pretty much a light side nexus. Makes sense the force ghosts influence the physical realm there. Luke can influence matter that is deeply connected with him, the saber, the ship. It's all like how Obi wan moved vines and sat on trees on Dagobah, which if I am correct is a light side nexus as well?

See? The character had potential! But Disney fucked up so badly after, I can't even tell...

I've never understood why they gave the sequels to people who either lack creativity (JJ) or appear to hate the series (Rian). The Rings of Power has the same issue, that it's creators don't seem to care for the source material

Ruby Scoville could’ve been some interesting mirroring with how Kylo/Ben often taps into Vadar as an inspiration for embracing the dark side (hence the helmet he keeps) while Rey would have Anakin as someone to take inspiration from even though they’re clearly two halves of the same character.

Callum H Oh that's brilliant! It's so sad how this film turned out, it had a lot of potential.

Is it possible to like a comment twice?

Paraphrasing George Lucas: "It's poetry, it rhymes"

Ruby Scoville I love how many people defend this movie too, saying it’s only bad because of the last jedi. I’m like no, it’s bad because it’s bad. Have you seen the three Thor movies, the first two are really bland, but the third one is one of my favorite MCU films.

You made me spit my drink laughing.

And they'll have forgotten about the existence of jetpacks all over again.

Underrated comment

the reverse flash of star wars

what's sad is its probably true

One of my favorite aspects of ATLA is how Aang and Zuko are foils of each other. Aang has an internal want and an external need - he WANTS to be a normal kid and hang out with his friends, but he NEEDS to be the Avatar and save the world. By contrast, Zuko has an external want and an internal need - he WANTS to please his father and follow the path his father laid out for him, but he NEEDS to learn to follow his own destiny and be his own man. Imagine if Rey and Kylo had a similar dynamic. The sequel trilogy could have been amazing, but we got a poorly planned out story that ruined classic characters.

The sequel trilogy as a whole needs to be destroyed.

Perhaps that's what he wrote the between worlds with Ezra Bridger for... so Ezra can save us from a horrible fate.

Who is Poe???? Finn, probably, is the ex stormtrooper, but who is Poe???? Pilot-guy?

@@mordith6126 yes, pilot guy

The rumor isn't true. It just gain propagation because it's what some want to hear. They aren't doing that.

weeks? i think it took a bit longer than that bud

@@floo1465 it should, but for Rise Of Skywalker it probably didn’t

Doctors hate him! I mean writers hate him!

@@anatoldenevers237 Disney was recutting and reshooting The Rise of Palpatine up until the last minute, so I'm sure the script got a little more work than that. Not terribly productive work, but more work nonetheless.

*Chad

Most recently with Fallen Order as well, set five years after Episode III. You play as Cal Kestis, a former Padawan and survivor of Order 66 who feels guilt over his master's death. He actually fails several times over the course of the game, and his doubt really starts to settle in the second time you go to Kashyyyk, so when he finally gets to Dathomir, his fear overwhelms him and the kyber crystal in his lightsaber shatters. The game has a masterfully-written hero's journey for Cal as he grows in character. The writers at Respawn Entertainment (the same people that gave us the wonderful but brief story for Titanfall 2) did such a better job at writing character arcs than Abrams and Johnson. In fact, Cal's new unofficial master, Cere Junda, was tortured by the Empire and she reveals early on that she used the dark side to escape, subsequently cutting herself off from the Force because the power scared her. Even Cal's droid, BD-1, has a minor character arc in the game through the cutscenes. It's a game I'd recommend to anyone who is a Star Wars fan.

Lack of planning was the issue. If they were going to have different filmmakers with different sensibilities making these movies, having a coherent overall plan was vital. Instead we've got this jumbled meandering mess.

-I'd rather have the trilogy focus on Kylo's journey-

@@Kevin-hx2ky Kylo Ren's redemption should have been the focus of the 3rd film. That moment when he comes back to the light should have been cathartic and triumphant. Instead I felt nothing. He doesn't even speak during the last act of TROS . WTF?

To the people who watched RoS, are you convinced that stealing is wrong?

Now THIS is a MUCH better plot.

Now THIS is a MUCH better plot.

I breath star wars and steven universe rants.

Ba frate eu nu mai tin minte nimic din film dar am fost la cinema cand a aparut.....

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I wouldnt really say that, the main character in most cases has no character BUT with less focus on the player, the world of the game can become creative and amazing to explore.

maybe not 90's, but look at what Halo accomplished 20 years ago, or Mass Effect

@@danteaghoulfromspace2996 actually, Dark Forces 2 (1997) did a pretty good job of expanding the main character from Dark Forces (1995), although the cutscene quality was a bit laughable, the character development was good. definitely better than any star wars sequel.

yeah, shadowman basically had one of the coolest plots of any videogame ever.

In terms of basic structure it's "beat the dungeon, get the thing, beat the dungeon, get the thing, use the thing to unlock the boss, win." Same as most Zelda stories since 1986, and while many of those Zelda games have stories 10 times better than Rise of Skywalker, it's not the plot structure that makes a Zelda story good but the characters and the themes. The point of the comparison is to say that if you use that plot structure it better be because you're focusing on good characters and themes, which RoS doesn't have.

Ikr. She is a fantastic actress who got the role of a lifetime and they failed her

Don’t know about that. There’s another video somewhere on here that points out her glaring flaws as an actress as well. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is that for every scene where she’s supposed to show “emotion” she just widens her eyes and has a mouth gap.

@@anonymousperson1706 i think the way she delivers her lines is fine but her facial expressions need work

I mean... if you think bugging her eyes out with her jaw slightly open is "acting" then sure. She's really good at that.

Even she doesn’t know why Rey exists

It says so much about the writers and the Lore and stuff they do not understand but the Fans do..

I don’t

Most fans can’t. In a fan base so large there’s bound to be some very talented and creative people who could have written much better stories, and as bad as TROS was, fans are better at pointing out what went wrong than actually building a story from the ground up. Most people who try to rewrite the movie still use Abrams’ and Terrio’s core as foundation

Don't forget those writers have to limit themselves to A) fixing TLJ and B) gets it all approved by Kathleen Kennedy. So not their fault as much.

It’s not the actors fault you know... it’s the writers and directors fault. They made the movie

Same here

Same just put a comment about that too lol

same lmao

I think he wanted to make a pun ; p

@@nicholasleclerc1583 He probably did. I wasn't expecting that lol

And they ALMOST had a VADER force Ghost in TFA...a Anakin/Vader conflicted force ghost...its in the art book of TFA...that just completely proves they don't understand Anakin's journey or Star Wars all together...what a farce.

The sequels from the get go destroys every sacrifice and progress made by the previous 6 movies/the series/all the novels as a whole.

@@Death_Korps_Officer The WHOLE point of 1-6 is to show that however powerful you are, the only way to achieve true power, immortality and come back as a force ghost is through love and compassion, not greed and hatred. That is why the dark side users can never come back from death and why light will always win over darkness. And now Palpatine "somehow" returned...because Johnson killed off the "main" villain just to show us he was better then us.

@@JJourdenaisART or if they reveal that, like in dark empire, or with darth sion (i think) doing it through the dark side cuases you to essentially fall apart and degrade. palps clone bodies began ageing really fast and go insane and stuff.

This whole trilogy spat on everything that came before. Character arcs are wiped away, previous victories are meaningless, and established rules mean nothing. It feels like it was made by people who really don’t care about Star Wars at all. Looking at how they treated Han, Luke, and Leia I’m perplexed as to why they even brought those characters back.

There are a lot of Anime mc protagonist like Kirito but Yes Agreed, but there are just so many

If sao abriged fixed sao Then perhaps a Tfa abriged might save it

@@boxtroxrequiem4882 lol no

@@diavolojaegar maybe

Kirito is better and is no

Yeah, especially when everything came so easily to her, she never struggled, she never failed, she's amazingly powerful and talented. That kind of success and lack of effort leads to arrogance, entitlement is an easy path to the dark side.

​@@PlanetZoidstar She struggled and failed in TLJ. A lot. She is manipulated and played for a fool by Snoke, and then he kicks her ass with no effort. She gets suckered in by Kylo's bullshit and ends up being completely wrong about him while Luke was right. Even her victory over Kylo in the first movie is made a mockery of by Snoke when he reveals that she only won because Kylo was severely weakened after his plan of killing Han to complete his shift to the dark side backfired on him. People try so hard to forget TLJ that they've forgotten it addresses half their complaints about her.

@@damkylan3 Hmmmhh. Not really. Outside of getting clowned on by Snoke (he IS a Palpatine clone so it would have been unbelievable if she didn't get clowned on by him), whom is unceremoniously killed off by Kylo Ren moments later. Whom Rey is able to recover than faster AND escape offscreen all on her own from a crumbling Supremacy. Except Rey ends up being right and Kylo is ultimately redeemed by her. He was wrong about her parents and Luke was wrong about Kylo (He felt Kylo was beyond saving but Rey believed - and she is proven right in RoS). Even if Kylo was wounded he STILL lost to an untrained force user in her very first Lightsaber fight. A win is a win and she humiliated him. Kylo being weakened by his killing Han (besides getting shot by Chewie, really Kylo should be DEAD from that attack) was a throwaway line to make her victory over him seem more believable. I saw TLJ and I've seen multiple video essays dissecting every scene. It addresses some complaints (poorly) but it raises many, MANY more complaints. It is NOT a good film and existed purely to subvert expectations. It barely moves the plot forward, only the deaths of Snoke and Luke affect the status quo. Nothing else of substance happens. You could have them die offscreen and nothing would have changed between TFA and RoS.

I think that the sequel trilogy, the same as the prequels but even more, tried to have a too broad and big story with lot's of elements in just 3 films. The story couldve worked much better, if only the characters had gotten a lot more development through many films, not just 3. There are a lot of issues I have with the movies, but to be honest, unlike most Star Wars fans I don't think that the movies are that good, none of them. I love the star wars "universe", but movies are just meh. Still get emotional watching rots tho

They named the movie, and then realized it made no sense at all. So they were frantically looking for somewhere they could throw in ‘Skywalker’

I think she should have said „Just Rey“.

Then, they could have had an after-credits scene of her getting lynched by the Resistance - win/win!

[;' the original 3 Star Wars ate cult classics but ok

Just because the sequels suck, it doesn't make the prequels good. The prequels don't suck as hard as the sequels, but they definitely suck.

@@jamesedward3619 that’s so not true

@@will8779 It's not true that just because the sequels suck, it doesn't make the prequels good?

@@jamesedward3619 It's not true that they suck. They're not as good as the originals, but they're still pretty okay movies. Enjoyable experiences at the very least.

@@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813 Nah, they suck bro. They're so boring and tedious, the writing is atrocious, the acting is mostly terrible with very few exceptions, the over abundance of CGI and green screen environments render them too artificial and sterile to be engaging or immersive, the fight sequences are overly choreographed, they "tell don't show" more often than "show don't tell" when it comes to character traits and relationships, the romance between Anakin and Padme is awkward, so uncomfortable, and lacking in any chemistry or believability whatsoever, Palpatine's plans (both micro and macro) make no sense, his micro plans routinely contradict his macro goals, and they rely on way too many coincidences; and the plot holes and inconsistencies between details in the prequels compared with the originals (and even compared with each other sometimes) make them of dubious canonicity and betray the laziness and carelessness with which they were written and integrated into the overall narrative and lore of the Star Wars universe. It's possible to enjoy movies that suck. I enjoy "Batman and Robin" and "The Room". It doesn't mean they don't suck though. And from a narrative and film making perspective, the prequels are objectively of poor quality (just like "Batman and Robin", "The Room", and the sequels, though not at all to such a degree).

Disagree with you there mate. I'd care massively. It would be so good to have these wiped from my mind

@@notsosecretsnacker5218 💀

@@notsosecretsnacker5218 you had us in the first half

The only thing humanity would miss if this trilogy was entirely wiped imo is BB8

It’s not canon. I don’t consider it canon. Star Wars ends after the second Death Star is destroyed and anakin turns into a force ghost

skilled competent writers: people want a story with characters who grow and change abrams: MYSTERY BOX!!!! literally everything hes written on has been bad, cancelled, or both. id say he should stick to directing but the world has had enough unnecessary lense flare

As Geralt once said “it’s like getting a pie only to find it has no filling”

For whatever reason, JJ Abrams seems content presenting the mystery box but never the payoff.

@@rustyshackleford17 "For whatever reason, JJ Abrams seems content presenting the mystery box but never the payoff." It's not that he is content, it is just that he is a bad writer. His entire TED talk about why he does mystery boxes with no pay off because the mystery box represents "hope" and all that BS is him trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and deflect that while he knows people like mysteries (with satisfying answers) he doesn't know how to write one. So, his solution, make people believe he writes completely unsatisfying MacGuffin mysteries on purpose because he "likes the mystery." Pretty soon he will come out with a TED talk about how he doesn't like to actually write and develop characters because, "That's part of the mystery!" And all his scenes are essentially just characters talking about which plot point they need to jump to and show 30 seconds of before talking about the next one is also, "Part of the mystery, because showing the actual plot development ruins the mystery!"

I'm not agree, the box doesn't look very fancy either.. From the visual aspect , in photography, illumination, fx and in the choreography of the combat scenes is the worst film of the 3 Disney sequels It is a bad shell with a hollow core.

The she-roes journey isn't a journey made by the main character but by those around her. They change over the course of the film by coming to realize the female hero was perfect all along.

and this is how sexism perpetuates, by treating one as "other" even when you're pretending to be nice about it

Exactly

Hey wait a minute

Honestly I hate how my friends try to defend this movie

​@Skeleton Masher They have no plan for the ST that's why they are a dumpster fire

@Skeleton Masher But they didn't have any plan or blueprint for the story.

@Skeleton Masher The prime reason why the Sequel Trilogy failed is lack of planning

Verge 😂😂That's why I thought it said "black male"

Literally that unfortunate pairing of shot and dialog made me hear "Black male motivation" and I was like 0_0

Me: Did he say Blackmail or Black Male??

That's an old Spike Milligan joke.

The captions say 'black male motivation' and it deadass took me a whole 5 minutes to realise he meant 'blackmail motivation' 😂

That is true. It's kind of like being forced to make dinner when the only things you have are ketchup and avocados. The only way to make her interesting is to throw in a bunch of flaws that the prior movies didn't set up.

Idk bruh she has a couple small ones. In half of TFA was her trying to get back to Jakku and not doing things because she decided she had already been gone too long. She is seduced by the dark side in TLJ at least twice with that dark side cave on Luke's island. Luke had pretty much the same flaws. He didn't want to do anything in ANH at the beginning because he had to help his aunt and uncle. But they got killed, so he left. Then, he goes into the dark side cave with his weapons and "fails" in the words of Yoda. Then he leaves his training to go save his friends on Bespin, against Yoda and Obi-Wan's will. He embraces the dark side in ROTJ to beat Vader. If anything, Rey has the same or even more of an arc than Luke. All Luke learned was that he shouldn't use the dark side, and that was at the very end of ROTJ. I'm not discounting the originals, or saying that the sequels are perfect, but it's not like the originals are just this source of amazing character arcs. Luke learns a lesson at the very end. Leia stays the same. Han leaves smuggling and joins the Rebels. Just like with Kylo, the best arc comes from the dark side in the form of Vader. In ESB, Vader doesn't want to kill him. When Palpatine says that he should be killed, Vader pretty much pleads to Palps that Luke is "just a boy" and does everything in his power to turn him to the dark side instead of killing him. Then, in ep6, Luke knows he is conflicted and tries to bring him back, but Vader says it is too late for him. Vader knows that if Luke struck the Emperor down, he would join the dark side, so he stopped Luke's lightsaber from killing the Emperor. Luke uses the dark side to overpower Vader, and is then tortured by the Emperor. Vader the sacrifices his life to save his son.

@@unclearsector4266 being seduced by external forces because they got more going on than you do doesn't really show flaws, specially in fantasy when people can literally be mind controlled. I honestly don't care at all about how the original trilogy was or how the prequel were,that doesn't matter nor does it reflect the quality of movies that weren't even made by the same people,it doesn't matter if Phantom Menace sucks if you're talking about Empire Strikes Back because they're not the same movies. Rey could've worked better as a paragon character from the end of Last Jedi where she comes back at the end to save the day, changing things around instead of being changed herself

I liked Rian Johnson's choice to make her parents 'nobodies', and her flaw was failing to accept this- opening up a whole new world of anti-chosen one writing opportunities. Apparently Abrams wasn't to keen

@@unclearsector4266 You're right. The Prequels and Originals serves and focuses on Vader's arc. The other characters in those films overall weren't as fleshed out as his. But it's not like Luke doesn't have a good arc either. In the beginning he's too ambitious, always looking towards the future. He always wanted to leave home and go on an adventure throughout the Galaxy. He doesn't even grief that much about Owen and Beru charred and his homestead burned down, because he was finally freed from his responsibilities and restrictions. Obi-Wan told him about his father, who he then looked up to and wanted to be, and the Force, further fueling his curiosity and flame of adventure. Not to mention he was stubborn, clumsy, and ignorant; he couldn't keep his mouth shut for things he didn't know about. The arc starts to develop in the next movie. Luke learns that the man he always looked up to is the same man he passionately hates, shattering his stubborn hope and kicked some sense of reality in him. The arc develops even more in ROTJ, when he trained with Yoda. He learned the importance of lying down for a bit and actually learn something from a master. He was taught to stop worrying about the future and instead live in the present moment. The rest goes as you have described. IMO Luke's arc is much better than Rey's still. It's not really fair to compare those two arcs though, because if we're talking about the Sequels here, Kylo Ren's the main arc, maybe even one of the only characters who has an actual arc.

But it’s a… bigger boulder…?

@@ISuperGenXI size matters not

@@ISuperGenXI It was a big rock...

Oh my god you're thinking like a Hollywood writer

@Epic Noah LMAO nah, I was talking as if I was someone who wanted to defend that plot point and had nothing to back it up

They even dress Luke differently in each film. In the DT Rey is in the same white cloths always.

@@oliverford5367 I guess they were too lazy to change the toy designs Idk. How could they pour so much money into something and yet it feels Disney and the writers didn't give a fuck to try. Like the actors, special effects, and all the technical people I believe gave 100% for these movies, but the executives and writers in charge let everyone down massively.

@@oliverford5367 If that's what you saw. Then you're blind.

Another important thing about Luke's arc in the og trilogy, and the arc of the whole gang, is that there is time to develop bonds and skills and personalities. You see changes in all of them between each movie because time has passed, and they've grown. Luke's abilities, Han's dedication to the cause, a renewed friendship with Lando, all of them. In the new trilogy, the main three don't feel like an actual group until the third movie, and it doesn't really feel entirely real then for me. And even though they let time pass for Finn and Po to develop their cohesion and skills, Rey felt like an odd one out to me. Plus their characters were just not really interesting. The only one in my opinion that had a semblacne of an arc is Po. In the second movie, Po is the only one that seems to take anything away from his "arc"(if i have to call it that) and he sort of has more growth(shoved onto him) in the third one. Rey has no development at all over the trilogy and Finn is just a sack of wasted potential on all counts(They should have let him sacrifice himself in ep8, would have been the subversion the director was actually going for) Kylo Ren has the best arc and character in the new trilogy. He grows between the movies, has things he clearly wants and strikes to get them.(And unlike Rey, he earned his abilities and skills)

@@oliverford5367 She has three different outfits.

Kylo was more interesting from start to finish of the trilogy. Ignore Rey's initial win because she's a mary sue and her ability to resist his power for now good reason, and you get a powerful, deadly warrior who is flawed. You see him first as a fierce warrior with great power and no mercy, then see him throw a tantrum, because he's a parody of vader. Then he has that tough moment where he kills his dad. Second movie you see him decide he doesn't want to follow snoke, doesn't want to keep the cycle going, but also see the flawed way he's thinking about it, how jedi and sith need to be destroyed. And then in the third, they tear down the facade he's been trying to put up. The powerful darksider front he's been putting up, his dad just tears down.

I am not going to lie, I literally thought he is the main character but the movie played it in a way that we do not see it until the end...

i honestly thought this movie was about Kylo, not Rey.

I was down with Kylo turning good and Rey falling to the dark side lol idk seems pretty good to me

Kylo Ren is the only not terrible part of the sequels, but that's not saying much tbh.

Reminds me of that one scene in The Room Chicken chicken cheeeerp chirp chirp chirp chirp

Papaltine: I'm all Turkey Rey:And I'm all the Chicken

I feel like this is something that back to the future would say.

That reference tho lol

Legate Sotomayor I laughed at this comment harder than I should’ve

Anyone who has watched the Abrams' Star Trek movies would be completely unsurprised how JJ trying comes no where close to succeeding. He goes through the motions and makes the cinematography pretty. That is all. It is not a valiant effort to sense your own work has problems and hope a superficial bandaid will be good enough.

@Tree House that is so sad, and so true! Poe and Finn might be her friends, but they can never relate. Luke is dead. Leia is dead. Hell, even Kylo, who is a deeply flawed human being is dead. Those are the people who hold power like her, and have to struggle with the seduction of the dark side, yet, even as he redeems himself, he dies. I know it was more him who seeked the connection with her, but she needed it too.

I think this is giving JJ to much credit

@@DorotaGabal we barely see the three bond much (except The Force Awakens). After TFA, they just either split or don’t really have moments with each other other than doing their mission.

@@raafeyplayz7015 Yes, finn is effectively reduced to a guy that just yells "REY" every time something needs to happen that he can't handle. TFA gave us, at the very least, a relatively good character arc for Finn, but then after that they didn't do anything with him anymore. Not to mention The Last Jedi tried to paint Poe as an egocentric "mansplaining" douchebag when really all his actions in that film, barring the first scene, were justified.

i would not go as far as calling this a movie. it's a product. and a very bad one too.

@@jwedelstoff7588 it's a several million dollar investment wrapped in star wars paper

well said. it's hard to root for a character who is by most definitions, perfect.

Exactly. Rey is just an extremely bland and flat character. It's one of the reasons I was sooooo disappointed when Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, an infinitely more interesting character, died while she lived and just, like, took on the Skywalker name almost randomly.

Absolutely agree. And because she is so great at everything it makes the rest of the cast useless. Why not have a one focus for her so that the others can fill some other roles and make teamwork happen?

Filip Stellberg wow that was so beautifully said. Honestly, they should have coaxed her with the darkness more and proved (just like all innately evil things) from the outside it may seem like all of your problems are solved, but in the long run you’re gonna get screwed. I don’t understand why big box office films don’t just make their characters more (oh I don’t know) HUMAN! Having perfect characters like Captain Marvel and Superman are HIGHLY unrelatable. The audience they are trying to appeal to doesn’t exist.

"Being unable to traverse the seas...no worries, she can do it." That sentence sums up her character perfectly.

Fans: "Don't do it." Writers: [does it] Fans: [destroys them] Writers: [screams] Fans: You purchased the franchise disney! You were meant to revive Star Wars not destroy it. Bring balance to the fan base, not leave divided! Writers: YOU'RE SEXIST!!! Fans: you were my childhood. I loved you. Fans: [Picks up OT trilogy dvd set and walks away]

Writers of Mulan (2020): Hold my terrible cgi phoenix

Mulan 2020 vs Rey when? Like when Mulan practice the dumb Qi magic she got since birth, eaten by a blackhole and transfer her to Star Wars universe and fight against Rey who got the dumb Force magic she got since she is born. Mary Sue vs Mary Sue when?

Why do people keep saying she's a Mary Sue

​@@chair803 first you need to look up the definition of the word then compare whether she matches the description

That is what i was thinkinh

I agree, that is what I was thinking as he was going along. This just sounds like giving her Anakin's arrogance (hubris) and desire to be the most powerful to protect those he loves (because he is the only one who can).

Yea but she doesn’t fall to the dark side

But the outcome at the end would be different from anakin, despite the obvious similarities. For fans they would guess she'd embrace it only to be shocked she didnt, and did what anakin shouldve done. Sadly that didnt happen (id prefer them essentially copying a instance like that over what the movie actually gave us)

Omg ROS, Revenge of the Sith, Rise of Skywalker!

That is a great idea for the trilogy we unfortunately received. It also would have wrapped up the idea of the Skywalker family as well.

Love this

Wow. You know what's funny to me, a friend and I were talking about this movie last week and he basically said the same thing you did, and I had the same basic plot as this video, except mine had some elements of your idea.

How a fan can make a better script then a bunch of idiots

Finn was my favorite part of TFA, then when i saw what they did to my boy in TLJ's trailers i knew i didn't have to watch that movie and i was right. Let's just send him off in a completely useless quest with an unsufferable new character.

Uri Bassilian They were literally changing it as it was being filmed. The CEO of Disney kept forcing them to change things because he was thought it would please the fans more, but it turned out to be making it way worse.

I watched it yesterday and the pacing was just off. Story totally rushed, there was no real buy in with Rey we never saw the potential of what her power could be till the end. It was meh.

*First daft

I think Disney should've made a couple TV shows before making the trilogy. Just test the waters see what the fans like and get a feel for what the new trilogy should've been. I think they should've focused on the old republic. Instead they rushed into making the new trilogy before they had a good story.

I just don't understand how you wouldn't have written the whole thing before you make it. It's not the seventies and they weren't gonna hurt for funding so going movie by movie is stupid. You know you're doing a trilogy from the jump...how do you not just write it like a trilogy.

So was Luke bruh

@@unclearsector4266 wdym he relied on old Ben to do anything the entire first film

Unclear Sector luke has flaws

@@-Teague- Not really. Only getting on the Death Star and getting a pilot. He saved Leia, escaped the Death Star, then blew it up. Not to mention what he does in ESB and ROTJ

@@BozheTsaryaKhrani Luke has as many flaws as Rey. Their characters are practically the exact same, except that Rey is constantly looking for a family/parental figures. Luke isn't.

*Mary

Yeah, Rey did not have to necessarily redo the whole "protect the loved ones" arc from Anakin, especially since it was teased from Episode VII about her long lost parents. It also would be a great set up for the Palpatine's granddaughter reveal. Maybe Palpatine would act as if he's helping Rey finding her lost parents through the force, but it was actually visions planted by Palpatine himself in order to manipulate Rey. And her accepting help from Palpatine will cause conflicts within the party, as Poe and Finn know that he is the bad guy. But as Luke once "saw the good in Vader", she would do too with Palpatine. Except unlike Luke, she's wrong.

Oh sweet Gustavo do you honestly think this shit over?

THANK YOU YES

The film wanted a strong female lead that everyone loved however they fail but some how still managed to give the male villain a better story arc. Disney tried hating on men and still made them look better in the end

He was much more interesting, this is true.

He would have needed a whole lot more motivation written in for that to work. For instance, what does he get from The Last Order and Snoke that allows him to justify killing so many and be treated as a servant by his master? Pure power? What does he need power for, or why does having more power feel worth it to him?

I AGREE👏👏👏👏👏

I mean, I didn't like Endgame for it though. It felt way too forced and unnatural and some of the character development/conflict, like Thor's, felt overdone. While Infinity War felt like a movie that earned its run time, Endgame was a movie that was basically filler. The only thing that had real substance in the movie, for me, was Black Widow and the actual ending. Not the battle, that was pretty bad, the actual conclusion of the story. It was a video game plot added to waste some time. It felt like they wanted to subvert expectations with Infinity War but were clueless on how to make a sequel. Its positive reception is one primarily built on fan favor for the series and pretty visuals. When you actually look at the story: A forced time travel arc where they try and get all the gems again. It kinda means nothing and feels clunky. And when you actually look at the characters, the only characters that actually develop in reasonable ways is Ironman and Blackwidow (finally).

This, so much. The infinite stones were an ever present threat in almost all of the movies. The way finder bs came out of nowhere

I'd argue that the when the Time Stone was introduced it was not very McGuffiny, we see how it's used (controls time) and its used to resolve Dr. Strange's movie (he uses time to trap Dormomu until he makes a deal, then reverses the damage the dark dimension created). The Tesseract is veeeerrry McGuffiny though, what does it do? Power source? Teleportation? Stops knives??

@@beccag2758 Well, it's been shown many times that the infinity stones are all infinite sources of power. The mind stone was powering Loki's scepter and vision, the reality stone was in the ether that made the dark elves as powerful as they are, and the tesseract was used as a power source for countless weapons. It's safe to say that all of the infinity stones produce a generic power stream, it's only when used in the correct context that they show their unique powers.

Sad thing is it felt like Rey ended up being a Mcgoffin herself. Or more specifically, her family lineage.

why

Hmm, if only we'd seen that before. Perhaps with one of Anakin's children...

That internal conflict would have made her more like Darth Vader than Kylo.

Still would have been better than what Disney did give us

anything is an improvement. the groundwork of her becoming a gray jedi should have been laid out in EP8. the last movie isn't where you *begin* your character development, it's when you wrap it up! give the finale two movies and it could breathe, but that's not how JJ does things cuz 'breathing' means slowing down meaning you have to write and writing is hard, isn't it, JJ?

@@ryanbarker5217 You realize that JJ planted the seeds in EP7 then RJ burnt the field, right? EP9 was going to be a mess no matter what you did since it was left in a lockdown with the main characters arcs not been advanced and important characters killed off for no reason.

@@night1952 Yeah. If JJ followed the last jedi, Episode 9 would have been extremely boring and predictable: Rey trains the new resistance and beats Kylo. The end. YAY!! SPACE WIZARDS!! At least JJ tried (tried) to make it a bit more convoluted and less predictable.

criticism can be constructive if you learn to listen. it's hard to accept but if alarm goes of notifying the captain that his right wing plane engine has fail, screaming at the computer to ask it how to fix the engine midair wont help the captain...

Same here. I feel like I can process my frustration with a bad story when someone makes a constructively critical review of it.

You made me realize what I hate the most of this trilogy that I didn’t recognize before. Thank you, I can finally stop watching Star Wars videos and move on.

And that's where it was going before TLJ. The OG characters were meant to return to pass the torch, but RJ ruined Luke and JJ had to use Leia as a replacement.

@@cowsquidman5679 What did you hate the most about this trilogy? Mine was the OG characters returning and the new ones having botched arcs.

@@night1952 Yep. Really pissed me off. I wouldn't mind the OG characters literally handing over the torch in TFA and then moving on. Han dying was fine, Leia could have sacrificed herself, not Holdo. Luke could sacrifice himself to save the rebellion like in TLJ. But do all that in the first movie and then set up the new guys for the remaining two movies to follow through with their arcs.

Most sensible comment I've seen in this thread

Right? Like what could the Emperor ever offer her? Offering Rey more power in exchange for her service is like offering Jeff Bezos $10 to mow your lawn.

A true Palpatine if I’ve ever seen one. Glad this didn’t happen.

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I guess "unlimited power!!! " runs in the family

Wrong.

Nope it definitely doesn't. But in Disney's case you might say that greatness got them money (which they have wasted by parodying their former greatness with a higher budget)

This movie along with the Last Jedi should be used as a torture tactic in Gitmo.