Congratulations. You made a great choice. I experienced the mormon church for a few years and never did really like it much. My wife and I have gone 'Home to Rome' and we feel brand new.

Good bless you.

I grew up in a very active Mormon family. Dad was bishop when I was 8 years old mom was young women's president when I was 12. I was always beat over the head to living the example of the "christ like" life. I even married in the Temple. Being a history buff, I always questioned the fact that the Catholic Church claims that they are a continuation. I always took the leader's of the church at thier word. Now that I am older and my children are grown. I have also come to appriciate having primary sources for evidence. So I started looking for how I can find who had the Power of God in thier church. I came accross a interview with a priest who was an exorcist..When he told some stories of how the power that he held was more superior to a pastor from another church, that told me where I needed to be. Just like in the bible when Jesus cast the demons into the swine . Now, I have not taken my name from the mormon church and will not until after my adoptive parents have passed. I do not have it in me to break thier hearts. I have told all of my children, that I am converting. So I am sure that my parents know, they just don't say anything. It is a very lonely feeling leaving everything you have known all of your life, and then not having your own spouse come with you on it. He wants nothing to do with any church. Same with my teen. So I will continue to live right and pray the rosary and give it all to mother Mary and her blessed son Jesus.

@@lisahinkle3867 Good for you. I only spent a few years in the mormon church before leaving, but my daughters are still members. Much of my Christian history from birth was with the episcopal church, but today's episcopal church is not even close to the church my parents took us to. The episcopal church today, from the top down, openly condones sin, such as; adultery via divorce/remarriage, murder via a 'womans right to choose', and homosexuality, including many of the clergy are involved in same sex relationships. When I finally 'woke up' and realize what was going on, we had to leave. The Catholic Church was the only logical choice. Thanks Be To God for the Catholic Church.

@@johns1834 I have one child who is still part of the LDS church two that are full-on Pagan due to trauma done to them by so-called Christians, and one that is agnostic at best. My husband of 21 years is agnostic. He supports me in going to church but does not wish to join. This saddens me.

Thank you for listening! Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️

I'm an avid listener and active LDS as well. Though my big beef is, if you're going to discuss our church, get a member to join you. Honestly, I can't like a video where a faith is discussed that does not give that faith a chance to respond to your ideas. There are 17-19M of us. It shouldn't be hard to find just one to sit down with you.

@@penguinman9837well, there was a debate offered by an LDS apologist on another channel @PintswithAquinas. The LDS member backed out and deleted his posts for some reason.

@@MichaelGlowacki Weird. I'll do it myself if I must. I'm nobody, just a dad with opinions.. but I'll do it.

@@penguinman9837 I found in another thread here that it was Robert Boylan (sp). Do you have another LDS apologist who would agree to a debate here or on PWA?

Pray to God that He bring everyone to the fullness of truth - not just my own or your own conception of it, but THE truth. Be blessed.

yeah, it's a whole lot better than Fradd's "mormonism ought to be crushed beneath out feet and I'm in favor of burning Mormon books".

As a Latter-day Saint I am looking forward to this as well. I still have much of it ahead of me but this appraisal is getting me excited about the content.

@@jacobmayberry3566yeah, not a fan of Fradd’s comment, but still good content and a great interview.

Not to promote another channel, but Bryan Mercier of The Catholic Truth has a lot of videos on his channel about JWs.

JW are heretics

​@@EpoRose1She's not a Catholic, but I recommend Melissa Dougherty, who does a lot of discussion on Jehovah's Witnesses and how to minister to them.

Sam shamoun SHAMOUNIAN

In the playlist you’ll see refuting jehova witness

I'm not Mormon. But the question "are Moromons Christian" reminds me of when Protestants question whether Catholics are Christian, and vice versa.

I am also LDS and love what is being said here.

​@@extract8058would you mind elaborating a bit on your statement? A question is begged when discussing the topic, "Are (certain group) a part of the Christian community?" Which would be, what are the Bounds to Christianity? So that would be my question to you as well, what does it mean to be a Christian?

​@@extract8058Protestants and Catholics agree with each other on a lot more than either does with Mormons.

We all talk to each other lol. -Kyle

You should do videos with Latter-day Saint KZfaqrs, Jacob Hansen of thoughtful faith, and the Ward Radio guys would love to collaborate.

@@KnuttyEntertainmentPretty sure Jacob was supposed to do a debate on PWA and backed out. (Or maybe it was another YTer)

I follow this closely and haven’t heard of this, can you give me some sources?

@@KnuttyEntertainment i think he's thinking of Robert Boylan who decided not to debate Jimmy Akin on Pints because the topic was too broad. There was a community post about it on PWA a week ago.

I agree with this whole heartedly. Most criticisms I've found generally stem from, "your theology is weird" and "that's not Christian" which aren't arguments at all. Many Christians end up using atheist reasoning to discredit the doctorine or the church, not realizing that that same logic can be used against them. Everything in the end comes comes down to faith. By their fruits you shall know them.

Don’t you mean ‘shameless potpourri’ For those that don’t know the subtitles at least in Joes early videos would always show ‘shameless potpourri’ Hence why several people ask Joe to make a shameless potpourri items for sale 😂

Joe is ultra based

I don't know where I heard that phrase before and had even used it once as a joke so it was fun to discover his channel so many years later.

Maybe he should bring in a guest named “The Seamus Papist@ 😂

I think it’s also important to be upfront when seeking to be charitable. If you pretend to be nice, and tolerant, and interested, but really you don’t care for Latter-day Saint theology and you’re only listening in order to convert them from their heresy, then when they realize that you have no real love for Mormonism, they’ll see you as a bad faith actor trying to waste their time. If you want to make any progress, you have to be as open-minded as you want them to be.

@@KnuttyEntertainment Thanks for your coaching. I didn’t say I pretend to be nice or tolerant. I could elaborate more, but let’s just say I’ve lived around the LDS for many years and know their tenets and doctrine, along with their approach. Their stumbling blocks are the Trinity, the Blessed Mother, and polytheism (which they don’t like to admit to believing). When I defend my Catholic faith, I don’t sugar coat anything, but rely on the Catechism, the Bible, and tradition. Also I have several good, long time Mormon friendships that bridge any religious differences. Sincerity and charity go hand in hand!

Don’t worry, when I said “you” I wasn’t referring to anyone in particular. You’re right, Latter-day Saints don’t believe in the Trinity, and they hold to Henotheism. Although, even though they think Mary was a mostly normal person, they do believe in a Heavenly Mother, but the identity of that mother is unknown.

@@KnuttyEntertainmentare you saying you can't be nice, tolerant, and interested if you don't care for Latter-day Saint theology? I think one can be all those things and not believe (or even see merit) in certain beliefs, be they LDS, Catholic, etc.

I was saying don’t pretend to be more open minded than you are. I find Greek Mythology very interesting. But I think it’s completely wrong. If I was talking to a pagan, I would be interested in their beliefs, but I would be upfront that my interest is scholarly, and that I have no interest in adopting their ideas. That’s especially important if you want the other party to adopt your ideas. They would be quite soured to find out you expected them to change, all while faking your own intentions to consider their case.

They are almost always exceptionally kind, wholesome people who live out their faith. Their biggest downfall is the errancy of their church, but they would make fantastic Christians if they would convert and receive a valid Baptism!

Maybe one day you will :) There is a good reason we're in a different Matrix.

If the Lord is willing and if the creek don't rise !

@AnarSchism, or learning about Roman Catholicism will make her know she does not want to join it. The more I learn about Roman Catholicism, the more certain I am to not join it.

@Hamann9631 Thanks. I forgot about this comment. She's engaged to a guy who was raised Catholic. Neither of them are inclined to believe anything, other than maybe there is a God. I have been around a long time. Nearly 70 yrs. Seems like there are nice people and not nice people in every belief

Heresy

No just no

@@ironrex6979? just ?

@@fantasia55 Simply no. It will always be a heresy.

@@ironrex6979 Muslim is it’s own religion, way beyond a heresy.

LOL, from someone who literally worships cannibalism and propitiatory human sacrifice!

@@Link25 Do you deny that the literal worship of a human sacrifice is the core tenet of Christianity? Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and this is how he put it: Romans 8:32 "He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all." 1 Corinthians 5:7 "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." Romans 3:25 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement." Romans 5:8 "God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us." Hebrews 10:10 "We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ."

@@twitherspoon8954 posting single verses doesn't strengthen your argument argument. Yes, Jesus is the Lamb but he also resurrected. Without the Resurrection there would be no Christianity.

@@StringofPearls55 _"Yes, Jesus is the Lamb but he also resurrected."_ Provide evidence that Jesus existed.

Ironically, His Resurrection is one of two events in Jesus’ life that almost all scholars agree did happen. Jesus was not only written about in the Bible, but also by Jewish writers such as Josephus and Roman writers such as Tacitus. You can start your search for ancient writings on Jesus here, although I fear even history won’t convince you if His existence. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus

I was an Lds member for over 40 years and I hear your concerns on the lack of respect towards Jesus. When he is not portrayed as our God but just a little “g” god, or big brother, the reverence for him in the real presence is highly underrated…even though they still practice a sacrament in “remembrance of him”. That is one of the reasons my heart and head has become drawn towards the Catholic Church. Pray for me please.

@@mollyedwards7494 I will be praying for you and reach out to me by private message any time you need to chat. It is hard when you leave because they claim to hold our salvation and exaltation in the palm of their hands as well as that of our families. Plus you lose your entire social network. I did not know they didn’t consider Jesus to be God as part of the godhead until after I returned to the Catholic Church and one of the missionaries snapped at me saying, “Jesus is not God”. At Christmas time the bulletin board was not decorated with an image of Jesus or the Nativity, it was decorated with garland and a picture of Russell M. Nelson. I couldn’t be upset with the people because that is what they were taught. The quote by Joseph Smith saying he held a church together better than even Jesus Christ should make anyone who loves Christ leave but nope, multiple people said, Joseph had every reason to boast because he did keep a church together longer than Jesus Christ did. That infuriates me because to me they clearly do not understand that while the apostles and Christian martyrs were being killed and those who did not believe leaving, the church was not falling apart but coming together. In the hymn Praise to the Man they sing that the earth (meaning the people of the earth) will have to atone for Joseph’s blood shed. Why? If we do not have to atone for the blood of Christ shed, why in the heck would we have to atone for Joseph’s blood? I left the church before realizing all these things and now it is very hard to stay calm. Every heart string tugging story I was told was a lie and the leaders know it. The people believe them to be true and by controlling their access to truth and labeling those who leave as lost or apostates there is no chance to help anyone. I love the people but I really am upset about all the lies told that continue through today.

​@mollyedwards7494 Have you heard of RCIA? It's starting at Catholic Church's right after labor day. You can go to learn what Catholics believe if you are interested.

@@mollyedwards7494 You do realize that the Church is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The priesthood we bear is the Priesthood after the Order of the Son. The Baptism and blessings we give start in the authority of Christ, in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. The prayers we say are in the name of Jesus Christ. The name we take on ourselves in the Sacrament is Christ's. There is no little 'g' in our respect to Jesus. I am very awed that someone would have that perspective and actually have been a member. Its like going to school still never learning to read. He is literally the only reason we have a Church to begin with. It is not the Church of Heavenly Father or Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. It is rightfully the Church of Jesus Christ. Whatever lack of respect you felt in the Church is clearly a representation of your own ignorance and not the attitude of the Church generally.

@@jacobsamuelson3181 wow , what a way to undermine someone's faith. It's clear you people don't like it when someone leave your false church. Get over it Repent and come into full communion with the Catholic church , the one true holy Catholic and apostolic church that Jesus Christ established on the rock of St Peter and has been standing for 2,000 years! Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️

That is very brave of you but remember the Word of God is what will sustain you and lead you to salvation. You are in my prayers.

What did you do after you realized that your faith wasn't true. Did you remain in the faith for the sake of your family....or did you join another religion?

My prayer for you is that you didn’t become Atheist, and that you found a new church home where you can freely explore the Holy Bible!

I'm sorry for the experience that you've had and also happy that you've been able to maintain faith in God through your crisis of faith here. As a Latter-day Saint, I'd like to try to answer what you said by way of good faith and love, not argument or belittling. I would answer: a) God is an eternal being so by definition there cannot be anything before him. If your bishop denies this he has some kind of misunderstanding. While we'd hope bishops are excellent sources of doctrine, I'm sure you know that's often not the case. b) "In the beginning" assumes a beginning of some kind of time frame, and thus may not actually be commenting on whatever timeframe preceded it. This defense is, of course, more relevant to a defense of "infinite regression" which assumes our God was created by His God, etc. ad infinitum. While open-minded, I personally reject infinite regression. But even so, the "in the beginning" line by definition is only commenting on the beginning of some timeframe (presumably the creation of the world) and not any timeframe preceding it, so in your analysis I'd ask you to consider that. Not sure if clearly articulated, but I hope that offers a little bit of insight on my perspective.

Your grandfather probably knew that the existing verse is truncated a bit from the original version John recorded. We need more wise men like him.

I wonder if that's what's preached at those services. I just found out that a cousin of mine started attending a non-denom church and she couldn't answer questions either.

@michellehorn2023 Everyone that goes there just says they like it because they preach from the Bible. When I ask about specific doctrines they take off running like I said a bad word. It's like a check your brain at the door and enjoy the presence of God kind of church. I looked at their website and it's typical baptist theology behind it all. Believers baptism, sola scriptura, sola fide, and PSA. When I ask about that, their response is "well that's basic Bible truth" I say it's basic baptist truth but they take it as traditional Christian biblical beliefs. It's like trying to get your hands around an oily snake. Very hard to pin them down, they all stray away from any kind of religious debate. I even tried to get them to look into the scientifically verified miracles of the church and the look I get is deer in headlights. The results are zilch. It's like they act like I'm trying to trick them. The worst part is all of them keep coming at me with level 1 anticatholic stuff like "call no man father" "all have sinned and fallen short" "salvation by faith rather than works so no man may boast" all the simple ones. I bat them away pretty easily but they take my defense like I'm trying to convert them. I've never met christians more defensive in that way.

Yes I completely agree. Because often they don’t really have anything that sort of resembles a sacrament or a sacrament but with their own interpretation. It’s usually a very simplified belief.

@@timboslice980 The Calvinist.....ugh! You'd think when the "anti" rederick stuff started they'd question the motives. Keep planting those seeds! Good bless.

​@@xsantosofficialx1782 It really is a very poor "denomination" It has no depth. Their adherents are _encouraged_ to not have any depth. If it isn't explicit in the Bible then it's "not important" even with completely natural conclusions derived from Biblical truths. You start using the Bible as it was meant, by reading and contrasting several tracts of Scripture, and they get lost. How can I justify biblically the Perpetual Virginity of Mary if they are unwilling to read the Bible except verse by verse?

Mormanism is basically catholicism in practice. People who just want to be told by men they worship what to think.

​@@jwatson181 in Catholicism we are encouraged to ask questions though Lay theologians have existed since antiquity and their presence has been welcomed Mormon theologians though they just don't exist, I don't think

Latter-day Saints are non-Nicene. They reject Classical Theism and Trinitarianism, ideas that developed from Ancient Greek thought centuries after Christ. If you define Christianity with those ideas, then Latter-day Saints aren’t Christian, but neither is the ante-Nicene Church by that standard. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is claiming to be a restoration of the ante-Nicene church, so it only makes sense.

@@KnuttyEntertainment this argument assumes Nicea changed christianity rather than ratifying it. That's an absurd anti historical idea!

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@KnuttyEntertainmentrevelation is developed over time so your comment makes no sense. They church has the authority to have a council because it’s founded by Christ. What exactly about the Nicene creed is bad. The two things you listed are pretty standard theology. If you think you’re smarter than church fathers then use your 300iq to explain you side. Idk where you got the idea that the council of Nicaea was guided by ancient Greeks lol.

I didn’t assume that Christianity changed by the time of the Nicene creed, I asserted it. The council itself doesn’t really matter to me. Most of the damage was already done by that point, no one had proper authority and they were adopting wrong ideas.

@@KnuttyEntertainment Yes, that's an absurd antihistorical assumption. Mormonism hinges on the supposed "great apostasy" which is completely incompatible with history. At least we discovered where the hiccup is. So you wouldn't say that all or even most of ante-nicene so-called christians had the correct religion, right?

Neither artist belongs to the boomers.

SUSSUDIO

@chasnikisher7006 They belong to VH-1. Ha..it was just a lol.

Video filled the radio star. (Rhymes with)

Amen

Did 1st Century Christians confess faith in the Nicene Creed?

@@DesertPrimrose They had the believes written down in the Nicene Creed. They also didnt have the Bible, so did they believe in the Bible?

​@@DesertPrimroseYou're approaching it backwards. The Nicene Creed are the beliefs of 1st century Christians written down and codified

Let it be done oh Lord!

Apologia doesn’t care for common ground. They jump unsuspecting people on the street and Bible bash them for views, deceptively filming people after saying they wouldn’t film their conversation.

_"...to come together on the common ground of refuting the LDS church!"_ LOL, from someone who literally worships cannibalism and propitiatory human sacrifice!

Apologia Studios is not catholic friendly. Does well with the anti-abortion and refutes LDS theology but he thinks very little of Catholics.

I don't think the Apologia guys would be down for it. They seem to hold a very deep disdain for the Catholic Church and they probably don't want to join them in anything.

It’s the most dangerous things for all religions. The internet breeds atheists. Doesn’t mean the information and rhetoric on the internet is true. People largely get dumber from the internet, far less use it properly enough to learn.

@@KnuttyEntertainment Just porn probably takes a 10-30% cut of every generation, just by itself. And we have still have no real countermeasure. We're on the path of becoming a historical quaintness like Zoroastrianism.

Mormon Stories Podcast is kind of lethal. And CES Letter.

The CES Letter has been debunked many times. It’s a big gish gallop and uses a lot of bad and often completely incorrect arguments and evidence. As for Mormon Stories, John Dehlin is a hack. He’s wrecking faith for profit. And he replaces it all with nihilism and atheism.

_"Internet is the most dangerous thing for MORMONISM."_ LOL, from someone who literally worships cannibalism and propitiatory human sacrifice!

I've got a hundred reasons to be critical of LDS, but your group having your own distinctive rules for dress ain't one. Calling it magic underwear is just being petty and mean spirited.

I wear a cross as my reminder of my faith and I use a Rosary to pray intentionally about something or for someone. The LDS garments are as sacred to you as wearing a cross is to me. You don’t wear garments to offend anyone, and likewise I don’t wear a cross to offend anyone! I could never look with any disdain on someone who upholds their spiritual belief and personal devotion. If we could all seek to have greater understanding and compassion, we’d be a lot further down the road and demonstrating Jesus’s commandment to “Love our neighbors as ourselves.”

@irishmclass2042 I love that thank you! ❤️

@@irishmclass2042 I’m offended (actually more disgusted) that you wear a Roman torture/execution device.

​@@iemy2949 archeologist found a cave with inscription on it dating from 2AD, the cave was a hidden chapel of sorts (since bring Christian in that time was dangerous) and inside there is a cross. This cross (which you are so offended by) is the same symbol that the faithful have been using since the time of Jesus. Here's a quick video of said cave: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ma5mda113bfOcYk.htmlsi=WrKhSC4RzYqDtO3s

Another thing on why some Saints get offended by not being called Christian: I think because the average LDS don’t really care about the metaphysics of their view of God, they focus far more on orthopraxy than on orthodoxy. And to them, being a Christian (in their use of the term), means being a Christ-like person, being a literal Saint, while obviously the Nicene Christian tradition sees the creeds as one of the essential parts of its own self-definition. So we talk past each other.

Hopefully you sign up for RCIA again and are able to be in full communion with Christ true church in this side of heaven! Glory be to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️

@@jackleonard2240 They are not Christian because they believe in a false Jesus from a false book, written by a convicted conman.

@@jeffs4483 that’s not charitable

@@Hithereitsme32 Neither is the LDS.

Do some more exegesis on that scripture and it will surprise you on what it means

Mormons believe in a Great Apostacy.

@@ItsSnagretAgreed, the phrase “the gates of the nether world shall not prevail against it” has at least two meanings both of which disprove common Protestant and Mormon objections against Catholicism. One: it means that peters office will not end in his death but will continue on. Second it means that the devil will have no power to destroy the Church, that the Church will always remain despite the many apostasies that occur.

​@@SevereFamine The Protestant position is not that the Church was destroyed or anything like that. Only that the institutions of the Church have produced errors and we shouldn't bind ourselves to those errors.

I don't know, the Orthodox keep telling me that they were the Church founded by Jesus 2000 years ago and haven't changed since.

They have to accept contradictory doctrine from God to accept their faith. Sorta like Islam.

Mormons will hold to a type of "abrogation", where newer doctrine overrides older doctrine and teachings.

How are Catholics doing with contraception? Define flip flop.

@@HaleStorm49 having a moral law and then suddenly changing your official stance on what a sin is. It’s hard to find any approval of contraception at all in Mormon literature or guidelines until very recently, like within the past 20 years. But now on the LDS website they have the generic protestant position that it’s a “private” choice “between couples.” Catholics in good standing are 100% on contraception because it’s a mortal sin. We can’t prevent people from disobeying and calling themselves Catholic, but we at least don’t change our rules to fit in with society.

@@HaleStorm49For a church to flip flop they would teach one thing definitively and then later teach a partial or total negation of that same thing later. The Catholic Church on the other hand has clearly taught against contraception in all cases for all time.

Trent doesn't do it so much but Eric Sammons, Patrick Fedora (I don't remember his name) Church Militant, 1 Pet 5 guy who left the church, Taylor Marshall and most of the other Catholic voices spend a majority of the time discussing how to remedy apostasy in the church today...but will likewise say they dont accept the idea of apostasy in 150 AD, or 300AD, 900AD or any time after...until say Vatican II, etc. Why is the great apostasy a difficult concept to accept when apostasy in the present is rampant?

@@HaleStorm49 Those are really only Rad Trad Catholics talking about "Apostasy" in Vatican II and that isn't mainstream,

@@a_Catholic_Ant Im not sure I follow which argument you are making here. Are you saying that discussion of church apostasy isn't mainstream or that they are incorrect and it is not actually occurring?

@@HaleStorm49 No, I'm saying that in the case of Vatican 2 itself their is no apostasy, it's only Rad Trad saying that. Their is some merit in saying their is some apostasy in the Church (case in point sedevacantism), but I would like to add though that this isn't the whole church falling into heresy.

I think the important detail is god being "other" vrs father. I love God the Father. I would revolt from a god that created us for entertainment purposes.

My thoughts exactly

That’s the point. Joseph Smith really really DIDN’T want to practice polygamy. Never really slept around either. He had like 10 kids with his first wife, and was never in a room alone with others. Not that his other wives were all that attractive, lot of old widows. And even when the practice was expanded to the membership at large, it was often the case that you were assigned by your bishop to provide for the local widow and her children. You weren’t ever building a harem. Plus there’s a lot of theological things going on in the background of the practice, and almost none of it is sexual.

Do you think anybody asked Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon or any of the thousands of other prophets we don't know whether they wanted to practice plural marriage? I do like that Joel touched on the importance of asking good questions. Good advice.

@@KnuttyEntertainment Please go back and read the church essays on the topics, then search for the journals of each woman named. You are totally wrong. They have documentation of his booty calls at other members houses, him getting busted doing the nasty in the barn with Fannie Alger (not a spiritual wife), marrying 20 something women behind Emma's back, sending the father of teenaged sisters (whose mother died on a mission) then marrying both sisters while their dad was away. I was always told he only married women who were not married to a faithful Mormon man, nope he sent his leaders on missions then secretly married the wives. Just keep clicking the section asking if you want to know more then read the official journals. I am not saying this to hurt you... I just don't want you looking like a fool like poor Emma did when she finally found out.

@@catherinemcdavid1533 Simply wrong: m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grWcoJed2ZnRpKc.html m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZd0iNmg17uWnGQ.html

I'm LDS, and neither do I ❤

I do apologize if this comes across as rude I just wanted to respond to the question as, it was kind of surprising to me. It was a good point, and good points deserve an answer. I’m also sorry if I write in a weird style, as I am kind of a robot when typing. Lol God bless y’all

You should read the book the Great Apostasy.

Great questions. I find that one of the biggest fundamental differences among Mormons and what makes it so hard to reach them is that they deny that the Bible is the Word of God. They say the Bible was written by man, and man is subject to error, and they also bring up how the Bible has been translated many times. This honestly sounds sensible on the surface-level but it actually lacks so much faith and historical basis. Regardless though, that’s what they believe, and it’s why they believe they need a prophet to “restore” Christianity🥲

Yep, it's easy. I would do it happily and so would Henderson.

Knutty why don't you just go on?

@@HaleStorm49 I’m fine with that.

@@allieooop3923 Yeah, good video.

@@KnuttyEntertainment I'm thinking Trent wouldn't appreciate the misleading way his beliefs were presented.

@@allieooop3923 Jacob wasn’t saying that Trent is line with Latter-day Saint teachings, he was talking about how the types of arguments he used ultimately lead to those conclusions.

I tried to watch it but it's just too goofy. They didn't do the best job of casting their characters. Peter and Mathew...ugh!

It's an awesome show. It really humanizes the first century Christians.

I love that show

Unfortunately they are high demand religion. And I promise you will not be happy to have someone in to your house telling you what you have todo to live your own life. I was there for more than 30 years. It was stressful and I got anxiety because that.

Thank you. I admire your piety.

I think the problem is that a lot of times Mormons will claim they’re being misrepresented when they’re not. I agree that Fradd was a bit too inflammatory but I don’t think he ever misrepresented the church and it’s doctrines. We should be respectful and charitable to our Mormon brothers and sisters but at the end of the day we need to be able to say that Joseph Smith was a horrible man who preached a false Christ even if saying that is uncomfortable.

I am not sure what he said that seemed that way.. but I have to say, many friends of mine who are LDS because I was LDS believe I am misrepresenting something that comes directly from church history. They claim it isn't true but then decline to look at the source. They never once offer to check it out and add the "context" they claim would make sense of it all. The truth sounds mean to them because they were always taught the things mentioned were started by those who were against the church, when they were not. I remember the pastor who had a day with all the wives of Joseph Smith represented by women dressed up as the particular wife telling the story the wife told directly from her journal on the church history site and members were ranting that the people were lying and attacking the church. No, they are trying to get people to wake up. The truth sounds ugly and therefore it seems contentious, but the truth matters. Members are so conditioned to just say, "I know the church is only true and living church on the earth. I know The Book of Mormon is true and Joseph Smith was prophet of God." and in choosing ignorance, not seeking truth outside the boundaries set forth by the LDS church, they are insulting Christ.

I think that still falls under making sure the information is supported. I can totally admit there are things I don’t know in life and often trust in sources who have the time and resources to pursue such topics. Given the history of Lutheran as the Protestant Revolt leader, I think maybe spreading the line about killing cats and his less than ideal behavior should be brought up carefully. Maybe once a study or source compilation is done that puts all of that together would be best so there’s a deposit of resources people can look on their own. After all, Abraham Lincoln did warn not to believe everything on the internet.

I looked up the Guardian article and it just says that they disposed of dead cats in the waste bin. It seems like a stretch to conclude from that that Luther was murdering cats as a child especially since the article doesn't even indicate that it was his childhood home. It seems strange to us but I don't know the cultural norms of disposing of cats in 16th century Germany, especially when cats were probably seen as a utility animal for catching rats rather than a pet.

I read that article before my video and it doesn't mention anything about Luther killing the cats. I doubt people of the 16th century gave pets fancy funerals. Cats were also more like rat patrols than beloved pets.

My mom told me that even as late as the 1970’s - it was common in the countryside that when your cat ended up pregnant…you would drown the kittens in order to keep the cat population down. Because if you let them live, they would inevitably be eating YOUR cat’s food (which was kept outside bc country cats are outdoor/indoor). Horrifying to me, but apparently very normal back then. My mom remembers her dad placing the new litter of kittens in a flour sack and chucking it in the pond on their land. He’s a good man too! So is my grandma! After her 2nd litter, they finally got her fixed so she couldn’t get pregnant again. So, I imagine that in the 16th century…it wasn’t possible to get your cat spayed/neutered? Or that it was much less common to do so. I also doubt they had animal shelters or many vets around for cats. So with an increase in cat pregnancies that couldn’t be curbed by spaying and neutering…it would probably be considered irresponsible to NOT drown/kill the cats that didn’t have owners, especially if they were overtaking the streets…filled with fleas…or harming your own pets. So even if it’s true that Luther killed cats - I don’t see that as a problem. I think it would be the equivalent of someone coming into my house and finding a bunch of mouse traps in my attic with dead mice or a dead possum, raccoon, or snake in my dumpster. Nowadays we view cats much differently….but that wasn’t always the case.

Maybe not fair... In they don't point out the shortcomings in their theology. But it's close.

There was no need for a "restoration". The "great apostasy" is false

Ooops...you actually address this at 29:00. The baptism. Thank you.

Perhaps he’d like to be Mormon or JW. They both deny the Trinity. And he’s playing his own personal interpretation over those who were taught the Apostles from the beginning of the faith

Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️

Did the gates of hell prevail? No. But there was an apostasy. God prevails because He has the ability to restore His priesthood. God prevailed. Hell did not. Because God is omnipotent and omniscient.

@@DesertPrimrose If Jesus had to come back and re-establish his Church on earth, then the gates of hell most certainly did prevail against the first Church he set up. And he said that would not happen. I believe Jesus.

I will say LDS isn’t Christian but I refer to the doctrines in the church rather than every single individual. I think the more someone commits to LDS-specific beliefs, the farther they get from true Christianity. I believe that some Mormons may belong to the church but internally align much more with true Christianity, which seems to apply to you as well. Just my thoughts😅

@@dan-ch8kr I get where you're coming from. And I recognize that Mormons have a skewed view of the Trinity and of Heaven/Hell among other things. But they do believe in Jesus, they do practice baptism. I've never quite understood why Mormons are considered by the church to not be Christian, when protestant denominations that subscribe to a number or errors and even heresies are still considered Christian. Regardless, I'm definitely a baptized/confirmed Catholic now, thanks be to God.

The RSV & NRSV (Catholic Editions) are pretty well used. The main "Catholic" translation is the New American Bible Revised Edition, which is what you will hear read from at Mass. The translation is fine, but the standard footnotes that go with it are often highly influenced by modernist and critical scholarship and are often problematic. I have heard they are re-working these and hopefully they will be more representative of faithful scholarship, rather than skeptical scholarship. For specific bibles, the Word on Fire Bibles are spectacular in all ways and uses an NRSV. They have beautiful art, chunks of commentary from Bishop Barron, Church Fathers, and other Christian figures. The Ignatius New Testament Study Bible uses the RSV translation and has solid study notes. The Catholic Adventure Bible is also well-reviewed (but I've never used it) and uses an RSV translation.

Also , it's RCIA time of year. If you're interested in possibly becoming Catholic best thing is to go to the RCIA class at your nearby Church. Classes start real soon@😊

Yeah I have been in contact with my only Catholic church in my town of rural Georgia the Catholic Church has answered some questions for me that the protestant church refuses to answer that being said it's hard for me I was raised protestant my whole life although I do feel like Christ is leading me toward his true church.

@@EliEzraCopter Totally get that. My parents and wife were less than thrilled, but the Lord has been really good to me,and nothing is better than being able to receive the sacraments!

@@EliEzraCopter Did you ever hear of Tim Staples from Catholic answers? He was a pastor either Baptist or AOG. Well his family was upset at first when he became Catholic but then they all converted. You never know what could happen. Be not afraid!! 😇

Literally no LDS person would claim to not need the Bible because The Book of Mormon exists. It is *another* testament of Jesus Christ. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 1 Corinthians 13:1

@@DesertPrimrose have you noticed what happened with the 3 ones? each one of these three witnesses was excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by about eight years after the publication of their testimony. I’m sorry but you need to study more about your religion. Good luck.

@@Lovecatholicfaith sweetie, I know about my religion. I was referring to the Book of Mormon being a witness of Jesus Christ in addition to the Bible. On the off-topic subject of three witnesses that you randomly brought into the discussion, none of them ever denied their testimony of The Book of Mormon. Two of them were rebaptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Good try, though 👍

Or you can examine, authority, history and prophecy and come to the conclusion that it is either Catholics or Orthodox, but that Protestantism is out. You can still consider deism and ignore history, or agnosticism with its feigned ignorance. Or perhaps atheism and its omnipotent claim of God's non existence.

And the Bible isn’t full of contradictions? Lmao. Have you read the gospels lately?

​@@iemy2949it isn't

@@Compulsive-Elk7103 it is. Thou shalt not kill (except Isaac, oh and the genocides, and the flood, and so much more!). Do unto others as you’d have done unto to you (also here’s who and how to enslave others).

Christians co-opted the Jewish holy book and added to it. Mormons co-opted Jewish+Christian books and added to them. Jews say similar things about Christians as you say about Mormons. Everyone claims their thing is exclusively true but then use the same epistemological tools: Old book(s), “prophets”, personal experience, faith, ability to ignore or rationalize moral atrocities and contradictions. Just saying your thing is different because it’s true doesn’t make it true. What unique methodology for establishing truth do you have that any other major religion does not?

@iemy2949 you must be new here. This video is comparing mormonism with Christianity. Go comment on one of Trent’s many videos where he deals with your silly assertions.

Mormonism is a whacky cult and nothing else. These two guys here are being fake and bending over backwards to be “nice” to a dangerous cult.

It is completely wrong to say that it is not useful to debate “if Mormons are Christians.”