How to find the best HotEnd? - Ultimate HotEnd Testing - Episode #1

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MirageC

MirageC

2 жыл бұрын

This is the first video of a series in which I will test many 3D Printer HotEnds using the methodology described in this first episode.
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@giusn
@giusn 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY someone is testing all hotends with a consistent method.... we badly needed this. THANK YOU!
@patprop74
@patprop74 2 жыл бұрын
Have an idea of the cost involved in such testing, hope you consider supporting the task at hand. supporting is not just for onlyfans girls lmaooo
@giusn
@giusn 2 жыл бұрын
@@patprop74 actually I sent a small donation as soon as I watched this video and I'm planning to do the same after each episode of this series. Because companies do not publish useful benchmarks anymore we need independent testers in order to make informed purchase decisions and award the companies who actually do valuable r&d. We have benchmarks for PC, cars, phones, audio equipment, even vacuum cleaners but not for hotends. Without them we are at the mercy of marketing and this is unacceptable.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj 2 жыл бұрын
@@patprop74 I suggest the combination of hot girls and fast printers to achieve the maximum money throughput to keep the crazy fast printing going.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, there's only so far subjective tests can go, the "Look how pretty this disposable trinket is, good hotend!". CNC Kitchen does good tests as well, there thankfully are a few engineering minds out there that help it when it comes to pushing limits or getting the best consistency on results.
@dcold
@dcold Ай бұрын
Well, it took him over 3 minutes to get to the point,
@XeroShifter
@XeroShifter 2 жыл бұрын
Very excited for this to continue. This could end up being one of the most important series of tests/videos in 3d printing. It serves at least 3 purposes. 1 it could help people tune their existing hot ends. 2 it could help people select what hot ends to buy, and 3 it could serve as a huge source of information for future development of hot ends attempting to improve maximum printing speed.
@marcus3d
@marcus3d 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've never waited more for the next episode of any series!
@MattSmith-ud4nn
@MattSmith-ud4nn Жыл бұрын
100% this is a huge deal. Thank you for advancing the art of 3D printing!
@jaimeleboeuf
@jaimeleboeuf 2 жыл бұрын
5 years ago I introduced 3d printing to MirageC and now THIS!!!! I'm very proud of what your accomplishing and keep up the work, you are well pushing the boundaries of 3d printing!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true!!! It's all your fault that I am now stuck in this rabbit hole! Lol! Thanks man!
@OriginalAirsoftGasser
@OriginalAirsoftGasser 2 жыл бұрын
Was he as much of a narcissist then?
@MirageC
@MirageC Жыл бұрын
@@OriginalAirsoftGasser Of course not! I was much worse back then!
@marsgizmo
@marsgizmo 2 жыл бұрын
excellent video! 👏😎 looking forward to your next discoveries!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the encouragements man!
@CircsC
@CircsC 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very excited to see you doing a video series like this. You're the kind of thorough the community needs.
@VladOnEarth
@VladOnEarth 2 жыл бұрын
So much work has gone into this! Love the outcome! Was worth this! Crazy amount of data and detail! Hats off! 🤠
@vladl990
@vladl990 2 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing in its quality of engineering thought! Such a great value for 3d printing community. And great example of how to organize engineering research process and glimpse into what physics is about - learned a lot from this video! I’ll be rewatching this time over time. Great job MirageC!
@laguel336
@laguel336 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to seeing the next episodes! Your projects and videos are amazing! Thank you for your contribution to the 3D community!
@userblame632
@userblame632 2 жыл бұрын
holy crap. I LOVE the amount of detail youre putting into these tests. This is MORE than a 3d printing channel.
@247printing
@247printing 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on 3D printing I’ve seen in a long time. No oink.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate! This means a lot to me coming from you! :)
@247printing
@247printing 2 жыл бұрын
@@MirageC naaah, just a big fan here waiting for videos like this 🍻
@notmyrealname1335
@notmyrealname1335 Жыл бұрын
The quality of this video is incredible! So much info presented in an extremely clear and logical way. Just the 3D models alone, goodness. Well done!!🎉🎉🎉
@BlownUpp
@BlownUpp Жыл бұрын
This is incredible. Too often people point to intangible aspects of a part when recommending it or not - you’ve brought it back to my wheelhouse of introducing a consistent and repeatable process with data to back up the answers! Can’t wait for the Next one!
@free_spirit1
@free_spirit1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mirage, from the bottom of my heart, for letting the data be free, as it should be! Long live open source innovation!
@danobot12
@danobot12 Жыл бұрын
This is great work. Love the insane attention to detail, data capture, visualisation, analysis and explanation. Really great work man. Subscribed!!
@maharbatc
@maharbatc Жыл бұрын
My god you're taking this in a serious and scientific way, such a good work, you earn us a lot of work thank you so much for your intense work
@miklschmidt
@miklschmidt 2 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this! I cannot emphasize this enough, this is AMAZING. The amount of work here is crazy, i can't wait for the rest! I'm sure i speak for many in the community when i say: BIG thank you for all your continued contributions! Awesome work, will be very useful for all of us going forward!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mikkel! It means a lot to me coming from you! See you around :)
@TheAnoniemo
@TheAnoniemo 2 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be AWESOME! Best of luck and I'm looking forward to the results!
@TheTechnicGuy1
@TheTechnicGuy1 2 жыл бұрын
actually so excited for this series, nice to have some really care and approach it in a standardized scientific manner
@ResistanceLion
@ResistanceLion Жыл бұрын
The best video quality in the topic, i hoped so much to see a real tests to be put out in any review and finally i saw them. Also, i laughed a lot from jokes about 2m/s extrusion and 1g conversion for average "3d printing" auditory. My respect for yours work. Definitely remember to donate smth after the war
@dva_kompota
@dva_kompota 2 жыл бұрын
What a return! Great to see you back, Olivier!
@changer1403
@changer1403 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing series. I loved every second of it. You're going the extra mile in every aspect and we (the community) can't thank you enough for your hard work.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@VinokDesign
@VinokDesign 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing what You are doing, you are just answering all my questions i have with high speed printing, making a vez3d clone and im struggeling with the heated end. I donated some money for doing awesome science, thanks for your time and keep doing great work!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your support! This means a lot to me and its helping me big time!
@gordon6029
@gordon6029 Жыл бұрын
So cool that you take the time to do these tests. I really appreciate it, thank you.
@properprinting
@properprinting 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm looking forward to the rest! I mainly focused on the extruder, but the hotend is at least just as important, nice setup!
@Solipsfilm
@Solipsfilm 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this must've taken a crazy amount of work! Super interesting, I'm curious to see future results and tests 👌🏻
@danielfeil8232
@danielfeil8232 2 жыл бұрын
Great test! Excited to see the next one
@fuckutube65
@fuckutube65 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I cannot wait to see future episodes! Your findings are astonishing, seeing how close the 15.1 mm3/sec you measured is to the 14.1 mm3/sec that E3D rates the V6's maximum melt rate at...
@jimmym2719
@jimmym2719 Жыл бұрын
A very professional test comparison work done👍👍👍. Awesome details, remarkable CADs, lots of data & graphs 💪. Thank you very much for sharing your wonderful work💕
@GuilhermeTorelly
@GuilhermeTorelly 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, your work is amazing! This analysis is more complex, complete and well explained than many scientific articles. Thanks for such a great job. The relationship between temperature, flow and pressure is really complex, but your analysis explains it very well
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@yotortellini
@yotortellini 2 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this to come back for the past year!
@tomaszszczepaniak2101
@tomaszszczepaniak2101 Жыл бұрын
Cant wait untill next episode !!!! First time when im donating someone for this crazy job you had done
@dirkmiller9872
@dirkmiller9872 Жыл бұрын
This is the most important 3D printing series in a long time. Thank you for doing the legwork!
@MirageC
@MirageC Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@thorgraum1462
@thorgraum1462 Жыл бұрын
13 min into the video. this content is insane! i really appreciate you as a content creator
@alanb76
@alanb76 Жыл бұрын
This is a very thorough data intensive approach to the subject. Thank you and looking forward to this and learning more about this critically important component of 3d printing.
@andrasbenke2577
@andrasbenke2577 Жыл бұрын
There are no words for that how amazing work you did!
@noanyobiseniss7462
@noanyobiseniss7462 Жыл бұрын
Rewatching this now that I know a little more about the tech and I gotta say the shake you added to the "Dong" was a hilarious addition that totally flew over my head the first time I watched! :D
@tomasis7
@tomasis7 2 жыл бұрын
Best review I've seen ..I look forward for next one!
@cimjohansson4878
@cimjohansson4878 2 жыл бұрын
THIS, is the kind of videos im looking for when planning out my build. very well done.
@jamesdangercarpenter
@jamesdangercarpenter Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this! This is awesome. Cannot wait to watch more of these
@allted
@allted 2 жыл бұрын
So much data!!!! Thank you, I love it. Very excited to see the trends that start to form.
@bigsubful
@bigsubful Жыл бұрын
You're simply the best man! I like the way you approach the technique. I like your printer project too.
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
My man, this is an insane amount of work. Fantastic.
@MalvixStudio
@MalvixStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Excited for this series! Would love to see how a CHT nozzle changes the flow potential for hotends that could take it, to see how much could be pushed without an entire upgrade
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, once I have a few hot end tested, I will do one episode on the CHT's impact on those already tested hotends.
@r0311
@r0311 2 жыл бұрын
wow, what a task. I really appreciate your work and wait anxious for the next episode!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@karlosss1868
@karlosss1868 2 жыл бұрын
Love IT! This could be the definitive quide on which hotend to buy for a particular use for quite some time.
@eddietheengineer
@eddietheengineer 2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic! I can’t wait to see the rest of the series
@VidiotGeek
@VidiotGeek Жыл бұрын
This is spectacular! I'm eager to see the results and how this all shakes out. A huge resource for open source 3D printing.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Жыл бұрын
What an incredible amount of work you're setting yourself up for!
@confusedtx5
@confusedtx5 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I've been looking for that the internet didn't seem to have. Lets Goooo!!
@MacroAggressor
@MacroAggressor 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent format, looking forward to additional episodes.
@marijuanas
@marijuanas 2 жыл бұрын
Look forward to the rest of the series, nice work :)
@marcoferrari4285
@marcoferrari4285 Жыл бұрын
This is the most scientific thing related to 3d printing I have ever seen, amazing!!!!
@MirageC
@MirageC Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am still working at making this project happening.
@Vez3D
@Vez3D 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible video man !! You da best !! Thanks for doing this for the community. I know how much time and work you have put in this one... It is very well done and documented and very professional, bringing science in. Hats off to you my brother. You deserve a big bottle of rum!! Everyone should be buying you a paypal beer :)
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you man! Thanks for all the motivation talks you gave me while I was down under with unsorted raw data output. You gave me the courage to finish this one! Now that the train has left the station, it should be a bit easier to produce the other episodes.
@heyspookyboogie644
@heyspookyboogie644 Жыл бұрын
I was just looking for some mosquito hot end alternatives or what was the latest innovations I should be looking at. I don’t normally check reviews from random channels I’ve never heard of. And in the rare cases I do, I almost never watch the whole thing, and don’t think I’ve ever subscribed. But I was so thoroughly impressed by this video (aside from the opening that almost made me leave from the overlapping audio) that I had to subscribe. Very well thought out tests and an incredible amount of thorough and considerate work went into this and that certainly earned a sub from me. Well done!
@Abyssaal1
@Abyssaal1 2 жыл бұрын
A very professional movie and it's a pleasure to watch, lots of graphics effects added and explained very well. You do things right got a lot your experience and you put a lot of work into making this movie, thanks for it.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, glad you liked it.
@flamepygmy
@flamepygmy 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff. Can't wait for the other episodes.
@ericlotze7724
@ericlotze7724 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Amazing Project. I think this kind of data like the "Filaween" Series by Thomas Sanladerer, or all the testing done by CNC Kitchen, or the "#SpeedBoatRace" "Speed Benchies"; even just all the amazing calibration/diagnostic prints people have designed and posted online are seriously what push the movement forward. Seriously Amazing Work, This is Pushing Your Channel to Another Level, and no need to rush things, This Will Be Well Worth The Wait !
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@amoose136
@amoose136 2 жыл бұрын
I like the methodology of this and appreciate the empiricism. Looking forward to the next in the series.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for teaching me a new word! love it! EMPIRICISM all the way!!
@bluemonxterDIY
@bluemonxterDIY Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Cant wait for the next part. I am starting a new printer build and this will really help me in selecting the hotend.
@MadmanInUkraine
@MadmanInUkraine 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work @miragec i love it! Keep up the good work! This goes so much further then speedy benchy printing video's. Stuffs becoming a science this way. Merveilleux!!!
@MadmanInUkraine
@MadmanInUkraine 2 жыл бұрын
Donated 35 cad since this is really good stuff going on.
@MirageC
@MirageC Жыл бұрын
@@MadmanInUkraine much appreciated ! Working hard on the next épisode.
@vvega007
@vvega007 2 жыл бұрын
Loving it bro :). Glad you’ve spent the time getting it right !!
@jingyewang3527
@jingyewang3527 5 ай бұрын
That's quite a project. Good job! Very impressive!
@us7876
@us7876 Жыл бұрын
Dude I'm getting into 3d printing and this has been one of the first videos about the matter I've seen. Is the community always like this? Focusing on variables that affects the printing, getting loads of data... Are you guys secretly building a 3d printed rocket to take over the world or something?? Impressive stuff👏👏
@terrylyn
@terrylyn Жыл бұрын
Insanely useful information, I have never hit the subscribe faster.
@keeweeles
@keeweeles 5 ай бұрын
Wow , Great work , and yes lots of time , Thanks For your great efforts !
@jrep
@jrep 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for doing this for the community.
@gafrers
@gafrers 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastically Detailed and Nerdy Kudos for TopGear reference
@GoldenJaguar3D
@GoldenJaguar3D 2 жыл бұрын
I’m looking forward to see the result of all these hotends, great job thus far
@KidCe.
@KidCe. 2 жыл бұрын
Ayyyy finally it's out ! 🤩
@knoopx
@knoopx 2 жыл бұрын
great to see some proper study behind this. now I know for sure 220 is the sweet spot for PLA and that PETG prints faster, things I had observed but wasn't completely sure. Cant wait for the next videos!
@gabortoth3300
@gabortoth3300 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, I was looking forward to someone to do such a standardised and detailed comparison for the hotends. My compliments. Please allow me to point out, that every filament type has it's own rheological behaviour characterised with the melt flow rate (MFR) or also called melt flow index (MFI), which is a standardized industrial method to test the flow capabilities of the plastic. As I have done a flow comparison between filaments myself with the Flowtesttool from CNCKitchen Stefan (and being in the plastic processing business for all my life) I know, that the MFR is one major influencing factor for the flow capabilities of the hotend. My advice is, that during the olympics it is important that you use the same filament, even the same batch if possible, as the MFI is changing between plastic batches as well. Otherwise the test results will be not comparable. Can you please indicate the actual MFR of the plastics you used for the test, just out of curiosity? PLA filament MFR values we can buy are ranging from ~5 to 15 g/10min. The difference in flow between MFI 5 vs. 14 on a Prusa Mini hotend with 0,4 nozzle is 11mm3/s vs. 22mm3/s when they reach 10% underextrusion.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
I bought large amount of spools from the same brand. Ill have to check if they are from the same batches. I will investigate about the MFR. This is unknown territory to me as of now. Any literature I could educate myself with?
@VinokDesign
@VinokDesign 2 жыл бұрын
Can you not donate him a MFI meter :P , its not that difficult to use. Used it daily at petrochemical company that was making LD-PE. anyhow i donated you some money, it could definably be a very good improvement/investment to you research
@VinokDesign
@VinokDesign 2 жыл бұрын
@@MirageC to keep it very simple: you have a cilinder with at the end a very precise hole. you put a plunger on top of the melted pellets. you ad a precise weight, I think it was 1 or 2kg. and then the meter will start to count how long it takes to extrude 10 mm. that measurement is then converted to MFR. you just have to watch that there are no airbubbels trapped when extruding in those 10mm he is metering.
@gabortoth3300
@gabortoth3300 2 жыл бұрын
Actually you can misuse your own hotend setup to be a MFR comparison machine: run the same test with different spools of the same filament and you can verify, if the result is nearly the same. Then you can be absolutely sure, that you compare apple to apple. Not like Jeremy Clarkson with "Car time - xx:yy (wet lap)".
@gabortoth3300
@gabortoth3300 2 жыл бұрын
@@MirageC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melt_flow_index
@olafschermann1592
@olafschermann1592 Жыл бұрын
Great work. Thank you for your efforts.
@xpim3d
@xpim3d 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!! 👏👏 tks for sharing :) looking forward for the next videos
@zubkomi
@zubkomi 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work has already been done 🙂🙂🙂
@Psych0h3ad
@Psych0h3ad 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see the full series!!
@SunshineDude
@SunshineDude 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, that level of data gather and analize. You get yourself a subscriber!
@justinmoritz6543
@justinmoritz6543 2 жыл бұрын
I thought your analysis of the cross section was really interesting! Very good idea to easily examine the elastic deformation of the filament post extrusion.
@JulianMakes
@JulianMakes Жыл бұрын
Very cool. I’ve been looking for help setting up flow rates for my mosquito magnum, can’t wait for that! Cheers
@cyrikdnamps
@cyrikdnamps Жыл бұрын
j'ai pas d'autre choix que de te lever mon chapeau pour tout ton travail ouffff et hop un petit Don... continue comme ça c'est des personnes comme toi qui font avancer le 3dprinting!!!!
@MirageC
@MirageC Жыл бұрын
Merci cousin ;) est-ce bien toi? ou on partage simplement le même nom de famille ?
@cyrikdnamps
@cyrikdnamps Жыл бұрын
@@MirageC On est pas cousin du moins à ce que je sache ... mais il se peut que nous ayons des liens... je suis de la région de Lévis à la Base ... Bref, Keep Going, tes videos sont écœurant et très instructif. Bien aimé celui de la gear de l'Extruder ....
@kylelongstaff
@kylelongstaff 2 жыл бұрын
Ayo as a french Canadian I congradulate you on the script. It shows you really spent time to spell check and get the proper definitions
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
I know it is far from perfect, but I am working quite hard on my English from Abitibi! :) Thanks for the encouragements!
@draco_2727
@draco_2727 Жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome 👏 props for the scientific approach.
@doron910
@doron910 Жыл бұрын
amazing video explaining important phenomenon in 3D printing and crucial to understanding bottlenecks.
@brianwgDK
@brianwgDK 2 жыл бұрын
this is going to be the gold standard for hotend testing 👍👍👍👍👍💪
@Cfontes82
@Cfontes82 2 жыл бұрын
This is gold! You deserve more subs!
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! :)
@davethetaswegian
@davethetaswegian 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, looking forward to seeing the results. I think this could be a valuable resource even for those not chasing ultimate performance. For that reason it would be nice to see some other more modest hot ends included. For example, the Revo would be something I would like to see run through these tests, although I know it wouldn't be near the top of the leader board.
@GirardNicolas
@GirardNicolas 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my lord, what a great job you've done !
@YouMakeTech
@YouMakeTech 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Looking forward to see your complete test results. After this, you need to design the ultimate hotend!
@Etrehumain123
@Etrehumain123 8 ай бұрын
Im new in 3d print and in 5 mn you provided me all the vocabulary I couldn't understand elsewhere. Hotend hotsink, ect, thank you !
@MirageC
@MirageC 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@tolikche
@tolikche 2 жыл бұрын
Great job)) looking forward to next parts
@pepa9343
@pepa9343 2 жыл бұрын
Love you! Love your work! Pls continue :)
@DianosAbael
@DianosAbael 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord this video is the sacred graal of extruder videos and has only 40k views. Gj, that’s awesome!!
@mmja6133
@mmja6133 2 жыл бұрын
The video we've all been waiting for!
@thatautomotiveblog
@thatautomotiveblog 2 ай бұрын
Top Gear reference is all I needed to trust this. Thank you!
@iulianhagea5815
@iulianhagea5815 Жыл бұрын
Now this is nerdgasm x10 🤤🤤🤤 Awsome video!!!
@stefanguiton
@stefanguiton 2 жыл бұрын
excellent video! looking forward to the rest
@fiveangle
@fiveangle Жыл бұрын
You're doing gods work here !
@ruzzcraze1862
@ruzzcraze1862 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Videos like these are my favourites.
@MirageC
@MirageC 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@mariusargesanu5049
@mariusargesanu5049 2 жыл бұрын
it's mind blowing! Great job!
@jspikeball123
@jspikeball123 Жыл бұрын
We need more of these episodes!
@zez000
@zez000 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent content! Would be nice to include the humble cr10 too, with so many Enders out there it would help many people know exactly how much performance they'll gain for each of those upgrades
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