Glad it helped, and thanks for the heads up about the steamVR name change. The AMD cards are some seriously awesome values, so it's a shame that they randomly struggle in VR like that.

Thanks for the tips

problem/friends lmao

Best of luck! Are you using a quest headset with the 580?

@@CoilWhine Yes I have an OG Quest been using for a while with my old PC with t he RX 580. But I also just recently bought a new PC with a RTX 3070 so I've been starting to use that instead :)

@@CoilWhine I am using an RX480, and I have a really good time, atleast after following your advice xD Man, am I happy that I am switching to an RX6700XT in a few days though...

@@gecko2.617 Congrats on the upgrade! Glad we could help in the meantime

@@CoilWhine yeah, the gpu was long overdew, since I allready upgraded everything to newer and better stuff like Ryzen 7 of the newest generation and 32GB RAM of the newest generations etc.... only gpu and psu were lacking until this week 🤣🤣

Glad it worked for you! Also sad that it's still a problem, but we'll take solutions I suppose!

I have a 6800XT card too and quest 3 VR games are atrocious, unplayable

@@vp1xel687 I got mine working. First I had to downgrade my driver, but AMD's driver updates since then have gotten it working again.

Oh really ! Thanks for the tip my rx6800 is worse than my 1070ti in vr

team green is just the safe bet in vr

Unfortunately AMD is totally sh*t for VR. They don't even care, nothing is mentioned on the "known issues" part in the driver notes. They broke something on the 22.3.1 driver about the codec, therefore the bitrate for the Quest 2 AirLink is about 50-70Mbps regardless what you set on the slider. So it is rather ugly... And not thats the only problem, with newer driver had some tracking issue too, so I have to use a half year old driver to use VR "properly" which driver hasn't even got RSR. It is a shame for AMD.

@@Norbikkka Could you tell us which driver version works "properly"? It'd be nice to know

@@CoilWhine For me the Adrenalin 22.2.3 is working. If it is not working for someone, I think the 22.1.2 is worth a try, or maybe the 21.10.2. And beforehand a good DDU doesn't hurt. :)

Did you switch from AMD to Nvidia? Is the performance better now?

Should work good

@@CoilWhine can the 6600 handle the Quest 2 alright was looking to consider AMD but was unsure

@@Matteo27 using 6600 xt and it works great

Depending on where you are. You could get a 6700XT for nearly the same price as some 6650XT's. If your budget can stretch that far.

@@siryoga384 yeah my rx 6600 xt doesnt run that great shoulve gone for nvidia

what in the world are you saying xD don't do drugs mkay

The FPS issue sounds a lot like the ASW in this video, it duplicates frames to try and "feel" like it's running at the native framerate of the headset. Flight sim did that to me on a 2080ti and I can agree, it felt terrible. For the blur, is your resolution scale in steamvr _and_ the occulus app set to 100%, or is it accidentally (or automatically) running at a lower ratio due to the performance limitations of a 580? I'd suggest looking at that first off. The driver issues are a bit more irritating for sure. You can try the classic "run DDU (display driver uninstaller) and reinstall drivers or you can go down the rabbit hole of trying out the radeon community drivers. I don't have much experience with them but it could be worth a shot, someone in our discord uses them with his 380x. Do the crashes only happen when running VR titles or do they occur in other games as well? It could be a PSU issue if you're hitting high loads?

​@@CoilWhine I'm using a Quest 2 via a compatible link cable and with the help of Oculus Tray Tool I set the ASW mode. not quite sure which one to use because they have different names(different speeds, 45hz forced, adaptive, auto and off) so there is still something i can try which i'll do tomorrow. SteamVR is set to 100% or higher(because that improved clarity) and Oculus is set to the maximum as well(or whatever the tray tool sets it to idk) I've actually just cleaned all of my gpu drivers so i'm hoping that this fixes it but i'll find out when i try again. The crashes have so far only happened in VR titles and weirdly enough only in some. I've found that Pavlov VR really likes to crash it but only when i press the oculus button on my right controller for some reason. its more likely to happen with higher settings in the oculus app and imo it cannot be a psu issue due to the pc staying "on" and the screens taking a while to turn off. there is a short time period between me pressing the button and it freezing in which i have managed to save it once. unless there is something going terribly wrong with vr games on my pc, i dont see how this a psu issue. i've stress tested my system multiple times, play almost exclusively at 4k, played very demanding games like DCS World or other games at high settings. before my monitor died i always had 3 monitors connected(2 at 4k and one at 1050p) which i never had any issues with even when playing power hungry games. Currently my setup is this: Ryzen 7 2700 Asrock Gaming X RX 580 G.Skill Trident Z 2x16Gb at 2400mhz(maybe the speed is the issue here idk) BeQuiet System Power B9 at 600W(which is 50W more than what the manufacturer of the GPU recommends) and some storage ofc which shouldn't matter but i could move it to an ssd(should only be loading times though which i dont mind)

@@zahnatom I have the same issue. My frame rate looks like it’s over 100 on my monitor but the Quest 2 is displaying the game at like 3fps. I have a Ryzen 7 2700x and an AMD RX5600XT gpu. The game is ACTUALLY running fine on the computer but something gets lost in translation to the headset itself. I see your comment is 8 months old, have you found a fix for this yet?

@@jdauk04 i have not. the recent experience wasnt great but i'm buying an rx 7900xt and a ryzen 7 5800x3d soon so i'll see if its better with that. if its not, i'm giving up completely and buying an rtx 4070ti instead.

how do you change from H.264 to HVEC. Through Oculus link?

Saving this, getting the same setup

@@keironewoodgate FROM VIRTUAL DESKTOP FIRST MENU ON PC

do you use airlink or virtual desktop?

4k is too dang much

I'm not sure, I haven't gotten my hands on any of the 7000 gpus, but I do know that the 5700xt and 5500xt both struggled in VR even against "lesser" nvidia gpus. It's very, very, very frustrating that AMD still has problems in VR, it's not something that a lot of people benchmark, but for me it's a big deal.

It seems like more of an amd problem

I really liked the 2080ti for VR, assuming it's at a reasonable price. Its frustrating that AMD really dropped the ball on VR, the 6900xt we had ran worse than a 3060! I'd go with team green if VR is a priority for now.

I haven't tested the radeon cards in a while, and I won't have one on hand for a week or two unfortunately. The cards ran _ok_ in VR chat, but an equivalent Nvidia did run better. VR chat is a tough one though, as it's not the most optimized title around and it's incredibly variable depending on the map and the avatars around. I've had a 6900xt and a 3080 both choke on one world at 30fps! Your card is probably fine, just don't do superscaling or anything wild. I had no crashes or anything with the radeons, just lower than expected performance in some titles, namely blade and sorcery (my favorite vr game). Congrats on the card, let me know how it treats you!

​@@CoilWhine thank you so much for your detailed and quick answer !! I'll let you know when I get it , of course, I was just wondering if it would have some experience such as the 3060, but meh, probably not. Have a really good day and thanks again 😉

I ran vrchat on a wx7100 just fine and it’s an older 8gb workstation card based on the 480. This was over display port on a non-meta headset. The issues people are having seem to be more related to Meta than AMD.

Damn that is sad, its optimization is terrible

threadripper has lower single core performance than newer consumer cpus. get 5000 series or wait for 7000.

It might just depend on the titles you play on. Blade and sorcery was the big one, it'd choke a 6900xt if i cast a fireball while a 2080ti or even a 3060ti would be fine at max settings.

I know The Walking Dead S&S is the reason I needed an upgrade and the 5600xt looks and plays great!

@@rockyroad90 i would recommend never buy amd gpus, if u lookinmg to play VR games.

I believe a 5600x and a 6900xt

@@CoilWhine oh neat, I was planning on getting a 6900xt with maybe a 5800x or a i7 12700k, but I’m not sure which cpu to pick… since amd has the SAM thing that works with amd gpu and amd cpu, but there is a way to use SAM with a intel cpu, so I’m stumped :/

Definitely depends on title to title. It's super evident in blade and sorcery though, turning off that setting made a world of difference. Congrats on the upgrade !

I had a rift S and RX580 8gb, it was fine until I got a quest 2 for pcvr. I also had a 6700xt and 6800xt, still really bad. AMD is pretty bad for wireless pcvr due to encoders and drivers. At one point Wireless PCVR was fine on my system but after many updates between drivers and virtual desktop, performance has been pitiful. I think i'm going with Nvidia for my next card.

@@shinobusensui9395 Yeah, even wired VR with the quest is still doing the encoding work since it's over USB. Definitely a shame with AMD cards, though I've had similar issues with the Index. Hopefully they can catch up, I hate having to recommend only one brand for any use case

did the same, or nearly, upgraded to 5700xt from my 580 8gb that was able to handle alyx without obvious stuttering, brakedowns, and just tested pop one yet and made the discovery that the rx allready did it all in that particular game (rift not my quest two, airlink is a MESS) and was bottlenecked by the internet and all around ping situation for europe + maybe they push or grant some users a better priority, it seems. but next i will check out saints since saints was on the edge to be visibly jerkier in some situations but i dont know yet.. honestly found out with pop one that it also comes down to the engine, that it was flewently allready but you just expect a higher level of that, when you play alyx it feels smoother. just came here because oi never played with radeon settings and just was curious if you can do something. so 580 8gb is a super card, good lord am i impressed now with double the power. if a game runs, more thean running rarely you will get. expect jerkiing off seeiing your frames displayed.

Hi. I have the same card xfx rx6800xt, Can you turn off your primary display and still see the desktop in oculus dashboard by pc link? I get blue screen. With my RTX3060 i can turn of my display. And I can see my desktop in dashbord with oculus link. Why this happen with AMD graphic card? do you know?

someone walked in my house

I've just had lower FPS in some titles like Blade and sorcery. The "fix" helps with some of the stuttering, but the overall framerate is still lower compared to an Nvidia card of the same (or lower!) tier. It varies from title to title, I just love B+S so it's a problem for me.

I've got a laptop with AMD 6600M (equivalent to NVIDIA RTX3060), without any issues in VR. I play with an Oculus Link cable on medium settings, could probably push it higher but I don't want to risk overheating the GPU. Everything in Steam/Oculus set to Automatic, never had to change any settings. Asgard's Wrath, Fallout 4 VR no problems.

Unfortunately AMD has multiple issues with VR. My 7900xtx is simply not supported with the quest 2 or pimax.

mine too it sucks@@nando03012009

I'm only planning on playing vr too. I was about to get the rx 6700 xt until I saw this video. Now, I'm not sure

@@vilee3090 Have you buy new GPU now? I'm was about to get 6800XT. Now I'm not sure too.

Me too. I am about to get the RX 6800 but now I am not sure either :P

@@T3mas1 so how did it go?

Could be a lot of things, probably down to specific titles. i havent tried in a while though, drivers could be better

Cuckerberg and Meta are gimping AMD…. If you’re using a valve index or any other headset that utilizes a display port and doesn’t have to work with Meadows drivers then you won’t have an issue with AMD cards yeah everyone’s blaming AMD for this when it’s METAs problem.

There is something seriously wrong with alyx. I had a rift s/rx580 and the game ran better with that vs my quest 2&rift s/6800xt. There was an update to alyx that I think caused most of the stuttering.

Did the fix help?

@@nojarhead ItR works perefectly, but Alyx isnt

I have an RX 6600 XT as well and my experience so far with it has been completely awful. It's always stuttering and glitching on every game i played possible. Has it been the same for you?

@@markanimsulix Its not, just Alyx and ItR

I'm sadly not surprised. I really want to push AMD more, but the driver issues and VR issues really make it tough.

you need to step it up on the gpu that card is not a vr card

I have R9 380x. VR with this card is sh*t. The resolution is too damn low.

I made some gameplay videos with R9 380x in VR. Check it out.

Might be a driver issue, might be a settings issue. Maybe try lowering the render resolution a bit and see if that helps, I had that maxed accidentally for a while and it hurt

That happened to me the oculus app like glitches and stuff you actually have to downgrade the driver for it to work properly at least for me

I've tested a LOT of cards, I believe in this video it was the 6900xt, though we've seen the issues in the 5500xt 4gb, and a couple other cards (can't remember off the top of my head). For Nvidia, we've tested 3070, 3060, 1660, etc. If it was only an issue on the 5500xt or lower, I'd be ok. Just strange that the 6900xt performed so terribly

I changed them in the open desktop or airlink. I forget if steamVR had the setting, but you might need to enable developer options. Sorry, I haven't touched my headset in a while!

You should look at the steam performance overlay to see if there's any slowdown or jittering. If the graph is spiking randomly, it can be a performance issue or the ASW (what we talk about in the video) kicking in and out. Alternatively, what cable are you using? Is it an official cable running in your fastest USB port? Unfortunately not all USB cables are fast enough, I had to buy some specific cables that were mentioned on amazon.

@@CoilWhine how do I bring up the steam performance overlay? I am using the kiwi design link cable for the quest 2 and yes it is plugged in my fastest USB port.

honestly in my experience the nvidia cards have been better for VR. Besides that, the 3060 12gb and a 5700xt are fairly close in performance, but the 3060 gives you more vram and dlss/better rtx/nvidia broadcast/nvenc/etc and the 3060ti is faster by a decent bit. I'd go with a 3060 in this case, assuming it's the 12gb model

@@CoilWhine so 3060 12gb over the 3060ti 8gb? Thank you for your quick reply.

Oh lord, MSFS just runs terribly across the board as far as I'm concerned. I got 38fps on a 2080ti, with everything set to as low as possible. I'm not sure how the other titles hold up though, i haven't played them

I just upgraded from a 1080Ti (which is a flawless card for VR although underpowered by today's standards), to a 7900XTX. Boy does it suck in MSFS. I get jitters and blurring whenever I move my head, but 200FPS otherwise when almost all sliders are maxed out. The 1080Ti allowed me to enjoy MSFS but the 7900XTX is making me sick. I gotta find a fix... (I'm still on a Rift S, was considering a Q3 but I'm not buying another zuckerberg headset).

We use virtual desktop

@@CoilWhine luckily i have that too.

Software null monitor perhaps? Some gfx cards do strange things when they don't detect a monitor. Some need null port plugs that trick the gfx card into working without a display connected or on.

And how did it go with the rx 6700 xt?

We dont have a rift to test it on but we do have a 6600xt that does work with our quest 2 but doesnt seem to want work with our index, hope that helps

Thanks for the reply!

That is a good point. Check my gameplay with MSAA off and on in HF2.

nothing yet, outside of the crazy test we did with doom eternal 4k, rtx on and max texture pool (we compared a 3070 to a 3060) it's all been fine. It mostly depends on what res and settings you intend to run at in the future. Sadly the AMD cards seem to struggle with the VR titles I play, namely blade and sorcery (it's a riot!). The 6900xt was choking _hard_, so I typically rec Nvidia this time around for VR. Not sure how the 7000 series hold up, since nobody wants to bench vr.

i have not

It might be a setting issue, AMD has been a pain in VR in my experience. Are you using a proper usb3 cable and the proper usb 3 port on the motherboard? The quest is really picky and not all cables can actually do the correct speeds. Also, since you're on Ryzen, make sure your bios is up to date. We had some pretty nasty USB issues for a long time with the older BIOS revisions.

@@CoilWhine I do have an aftermarket cable

@@CoilWhine was thinking about buying the oculus one just to see

@@gates2169 The oculus one is crazy expensive, i'd check the subreddit for their recommended 3rd party cable

Honestly it's difficult to tell if it's even AMD's fault on that one, Oculus has a history of pushing out awful updates that break more things than they fix. It's one of the main reasons that I switched to virtual desktop, the other being wireless play. 30 series cards are _very_ nice though, just be careful with ones that might've been mined on. Be especially careful with anything above a base 3070, the GDDR6x is more fragile and runs hotter than the older GDDR6, so those cards are likely more susceptible to mining related failure.

@@CoilWhine Yeah, that's true. Really irritating though cause I have friends with last gen NVidia cards that work great. One of my friends with a 1060 3GB has no issues whatsoever. It might just be the headset itself though. Just always been team green and recently I've had quite a few compatibility issues, it gets frustrating.

@@CoilWhine Btw thanks for the advice, I'm currently shopping for 3070s on ebay. Not paying more than £300 tho since that's what it's actually worth.

@@ItsGorka good luck with the GPU search, a 3070 is a pretty sick card if you can get it for a good price. I like the 3060ti for price/perf, but they're WAY more likely to have been mined on, and the extra perf is nice if you can buy the 3070

@@CoilWhine Thanks! I appreciate the help and advice. I think the trick is to look at sellers who mention photo / video editing. There are some sketch cards out there that have suffered from "light gaming" and their I/O shield has actually started to oxidize (assuming bad temps as a mining card). If you're looking to snag one it's definitely possible to low ball for one in the current market. I'll still take any luck I can get, cheers.

Just means its not turning on and off

Depends on titles I suppose. 6900xt was having a _really_ rough time on blade and sorcery for example.

@@CoilWhine yes i've read the context about that. Tbh i'm struggling now to choose between 3080 vision 10gb vs 6900 asus tuf....

For record ive had my Nvidia for 2 years prior and since 2010 Ive run team red and IVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THESE "DRIVER PROBLEMS"🤔 Im honestly thinking its all Nvidia propaganda slander and shit ton of dumbasses (redditors) believing it. LOL! 😂

yeah you need a 6800xt or 3080 to get a good experience on VR imo. tried 1660ti to 3070, and honestly wasnt too happy. 3070 not bad but 3080 was a big step up

has it still been the same? I am facing the same problems and I just bought a new RX 6600 XT

@@markanimsulix Pretty much. I have stopped playing vr for a bit now and im saving for an upgrade tbh :)

@@dankcuck5984 man amd should fix their drivers tbh. it's making me regret that i joined the red team now

@@markanimsulix same here bud

What software are you using for the VR connection? Link, Airlink, ALVR, Virtual Desktop, etc? Also what headset/gpu?

I had the same problem, amd driver causes the problem, just download the april version and not the last one

No. Newest version is from 3 days ago. Same problems with my 6900xt. Im sending it back and getting a 3080 or something

@@mrlolkiller14 if only 3080 had 16gb vram

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Yeah, but i prefer working VR with 12GB over 16GB without VR. And currently no game i tested used 16GB. If the 4080 comes out i will buy it if it has atleast 16GB vram.

@@mrlolkiller14 yeah if it's simply not working for what you want to use it, no point buying however much vram or performance it has. I forgot that there was a 12gb version of 3080, but even that and especially 10gb can be limiting a lot especially at over 4k or even 8k which is used for vr. The only game I know using (possibly even more than) 16gb vram at normal high vr resolution is the new kayak game. But more are to come, and plenty use more than 10 and some 12 gb already.

I have a 6800xt and it runs horrible. I get stutters at all settings for alot of games. Also you have to use the older driver so hvec works without AMD drivers crashing

You might be able to avoid a full reinstall in the future if you just run DDU (display driver uninstaller) in safe mode. It's pretty good at removing old drivers, I use it when I switch between Nvidia/AMD or even generations.

Honestly if you're primarily looking at VR I'd still tell you to look at Nvidia. Hopefully the 7000 series will perform better on VR but I've had issues with a 6900xt in blade and sorcery.

@@CoilWhine yikes, gotcha. I picked up a 6700xt and it hasn't arrived yet, so if it turns out to be bad I guess we'll be going Nvidia

@@cyprusmiraque Yeah, I hate saying it honestly, I love AMD but they're definitely lacking in VR from my experience. Let me know how the card works for you, and definitely try toggling the settings from the video, it made things a lot more bearable for me

@@cyprusmiraque Lmk how it works. I'm so close to getting 6700xt but I'm only going to game in VR. Might take Coil's advice and just get Nvidia

@@vilee3090 so far from being a bit cpu throttled, its been working well!

Also, could the problems be just with Quest 2 video compression, and not affect other PCVR headsets?

@@gordonfreeman5958 we had similar issues on the index when we tested it.

@@CoilWhine Thanks for the info. Sounds like amd just have issues with drivers and compatibility. If the VR issues are resolved now then I'd still be tempted to choose them, but it's a tough call.

@@gordonfreeman5958 Yeah, it's tough because I've traditionally been an AMD guy, but this has made it tough. It also could be the games I play, but honestly blade and sorcery is top tier VR content and not running that well is a deal breaker. A 6900xt shouldn't choke the second I use a fireball...

We ended up using sidequest to capture in a later video. Unfortunately we didn't realize that I move my head a lot when I talk, so the video was very shaky!

Mirror only works for what is streamed through link, it wont pick up the screen in Virtual Desktop or any other app not running through link. Not sure how that works with AirLink though...not crazy enough to try that.

@@darthmocap if ure using vd oculus shouldn't be running at all so yeah it wont work

@@megu7961 I use a chrome cast connected to a cheap USB HDMI capture device for non link stuff, works pretty well all things considered.

It should power it just fine, I haven't touched VR in a bit so I'm not 100% sure if the issues have improved or not.

@@CoilWhine OK thanks

i use a 6800xt and it works with my quest 2 @@dovakhiin7407

Yep

What??? I dont believe that.

@@T3mas1 turns out i had to update to windows 11 lol.

@@Yvrvfv67 Well, that is certainly something I am not willing to do :D

I've experienced similar issues while using a valve index, but hopefully things have improved in the year+ since I made this video. I need to dust off the quest 2 and the 6900xt and try again

The settings are worth a shot regardless of the card model. It can't make a low end card run like a high end one, but it can make the experience less choppy.

@@CoilWhine ok ty

@@CoilWhine btw do you know anything that can make my pc faster when i go in a game i will have around 30, 40,50 fps i really need help

@@shyk9693 It really just comes down to game settings, and that varies from title to title. VR is especially difficult because of the high resolution needed. Lowering render resolution can help, but it's at the loss of quality.

@@CoilWhine oh ok ty i think i might try reseting it to take off the stuff i dont need

Image quality is the same, amd just seems to have a harder time running smoothly in VR

@@CoilWhine Have you actually tested Nvidia vs AMD? Cause Nvidia have better encoder and some people say thats the reason it has better quality also.

@@brakozonhs1 If you're using VD you should be using the H.264 encoder because it's recommended. Not using NVENC(Nvidia) or VCE(AMD).

What headset are you using?

@@CoilWhine a oculus quest 2

Are you using Oculus link?

@@CoilWhine yes and it stutters very hard en i het lag spikes and if i do the steamvr performance test then it says that ma pc is very good

@@eli-emmanuelmoors3188 try virtual desktop or alvr