Summary: 1. Bone Structure: Achieving the holo cheek/ogee curve look requires two things: a wide gonion and prominent cheek bones. When I say prominent cheekbones, I don’t necessarily mean high cheekbones (Johnny Depp has low cheek bones but had holo cheeks when he was young). Rather, your cheek bones must be laterally outward facing (most peoples cheekbones grow forwards). In addition to this, your gonion needs to be wide. If I remember correctly, it’s ideal for your gonial width to be 95% of your bizygomatic (cheekbone) width. These two things must come together in order to achieve the holo cheek look, since the lateral growth will stretch the skin over a larger surface area. Moreover, your ogee curve will also vary depending on how high your cheek bones are and how long your ramus is. The further away your gonion and cheek bones are from each high other, the longer your ogee curve will be (“long” ogee curves give top models that gaunt look that’s so desired in the industry). One last thing to note: the ogee curve look is NOT the same as holo cheeks. The prerequisites for holo cheeks are the same for the ogee curve, plus severe starvation so the cheek contour is exaggerated. 2. Leanness: The more defined your bone structure, the more visible it will be at higher body fat percentages. However, leanness is still a priority for the model look and is where you should start first (lose weight to see what your baseline is). It’s important to note that your weight loss should be gradual. If you severely cut your calories to the point of borderline starvation, not only will you plateau but you will more sickly than attractive. Be controlled with your weight loss. Also, spot reduction is not possible; in order to lose weight in your face, you have to lose weight overall (the face is one of the last places where fat is lost, so you must stay consistent). As Qoves said, while you mean be lean, you still may not look gaunt because of youthful buccal fat. Most people tend to lose that fat as they grow older (see young Zoe Kravitz compared to now), so if you’re young and lean, it’s best to just wait it out and ensure you aren’t messing up your trajectory. To go above and beyond, buy a silk pillow case and develop the habit of sleeping on your back and not your side, mew, eat a hard diet (organic foods not processed), take collagen supplements over a lifetime (look for for supplants that Qoves studio plans on releasing in the future), and consider buying an ice pack for your eyes and using it every morning to minimize puffiness). Good Luck (feel free to correct me if I made any mistakes).

Another important thing to mention is that it also has to do with fat distribution. Some people can put on weight and stay relatively lean in their face and other people can lose weight and their face is the last place where they'll lose fat.

So unless you're trying to become a model, pls don't try to be a model. - Donald david

Another big thing is water retention. Even though I'm lean my face doesn't look crazy defined most of the time, but I noticed my face looks significantly leaner after an intense cardio session because it flushed a lot of water out of my face.

I was always lean throughout my teens and 20s, but my face looks so much better and more defined now that I'm about to hit 32... this video explains so much!

These are great videos. Well done. From my personal experience, I lost 15 kilos and completely transformed my appearance after finding out the results of my allergy test and also after seeking therapy for depression, which I didn't realize I had. I found out I was allergic to gluten and milk. i eliminated them from my diet, and the weight started coming off quickly. I also made sure I walked every day and did weights twice a week. I now look much better and much happier with myself. As for the depression, I found out that whenever I felt down, I would immediately open the fridge and eat something. I have learned to recognise the triggers now, and with therapy and medication I am on the right path. I have also focused on my spirituality and prayed which has given me considerable confidence. Of course, everyone's experience is different, but that is what worked for me.

I'd be really interested to hear more stories from your work at the modelling industry!

Love to see how straightforward the messages in these videos have become thought the years. These are hard truths that some people don't like to hear but Quoves is dishing out more hard facts than ever 💯

love how informative and scientific backuped your videos are :) straight to the point, not bs.

I’m 30, and I’ve lost close to 50 pounds since September of 2021. Exercise that involved a lot of cardio and total body workouts, plus just eating a bit less/healthier. I’m currently at 155 pounds (about 70 kilos), which is what I weighed in high school. Except, even though I weighed that much in high school, I still had a bit of excess fat around my body back then. I’m the most lean I’ve ever been now. My face is still not “sharper”. I’m half Asian-half white, and my dad is Filipino. I recently stumbled upon childhood photos of my family, and one in particular stood out during a visit to the Philippines back in the summer of 2000 when I was eight. My brother and I were sitting on my dad’s lap, all smiling, and my dad, giving a closed lip smile. I noticed my dad’s jawline was CRAZY defined. I’m talking the type of masculine jawline that is definitely coveted today by male model standards. Obviously I didn’t notice this as a child, because you don’t really pay attention to things like that at that age. My dad was roughly 40 in that photo. So I went back and found pictures of my dad when he was much younger (late 20’s/early 30’s)…and noticed….his jawline wasn’t nearly as pronounced. My dad was in the army from ages 20-44. He was never “fat” during his younger years, but wasn’t super skinny either. He was pretty “lean” in his late 20’s from the photos I’ve seen, but still had a more rounded face with buccal fat. But when I look at those family vacation photos in the summer of 2000, and the handful of ones I could find from around that year, my dad’s facial structure is POPPING way more so than his younger years. His jawline, noticeably more square and sharp. So, I guess I will get that defined and rugged looking jawline too…in 10 years.

i used to be really skinny & my face literally looked like a skull, it’s one of the things I miss about being skinny, but it wasn’t healthy.

Thank you for mentioning the inconsistencies in thumbnail before and afters, start seeing them everywhere now and they really irk me

You're awesome Qoves, I really respect you for not being afraid to broadcast the uncomfortable truth sometimes. Reality can be uncomfortable at times.

Such a remarkable video with great infos. Love it

Finally I understood what I was wanting since a long, thanks you so much!

QOVES thank you for sharing the truth about the fashion industry which I feel like most people just aren't aware of. We make huge personal sacrifices which are often overlooked and just ignored. Models are made, not born

loving this channel

i can be there and writing notes of the video and comments for all the night, really informative one!

Braces after highschool was life changing for me, afterwards it was reduce breathing through my mouth and a optimal diet but the braces are what helped me the most

From what I'm learning from watching all these videos on these topics is that my facial and body features are extremely good. I now have no doubt that I can become very hot. I used to be and still kinda am very hard on myself, but I feel a little bit better about myself now. Once I actually start to work out and mature a bit more, I think I could easily become a higher-level male model if I tried.

Can you do a video on different face shapes and what facial proportions look best on each? Like oval or heart shaped faces on males vs females etc

Another overlooked factor: carbohydrates. Too much of them in the average person's diet. They wreak havoc on the body in all sorts of ways but one of the side effects is fluid retention - especially in places like the face and the lower gut. They're the most common cause of puffy eyes and swollen-looking face. Cut down on the carbs and your face will deflate, but it will also improve your health significantly.

I always wonder why my face wasn’t lean like the models I see. Thank You so much quoves!!

Oh my god. I just had a huge realization about my face- I am an exact example of how orthodontics can help facial features. When I was in middle school, I had extremely weak facial features and very, very crooked teeth with a narrow and high palate. I got an expander and then later braces in my freshman year of high school, and coming into junior year I had an almost completely different face even with high body fat - defined cheekbones, strong jaw, and obviously straight teeth.. I had always assumed that it was just puberty (and that was definitely part of it) but now I realize those braces played a huge role! That’s so cool, thanks for helping me learn something.

ur video qualities are elite

Water fasting with electrolytes combined with zone 2-3 type fitness (for at least 3-5 days), then broken with clean protein and collagen can help with leaning out as well, and overall health in general when regularly done (combining extended and daily intermittent fasting).

Good vid insightful and honest

I have very little forward projection. My mandible is quite short. I also am Asian, and I have a lot of facial and submental fat despite leaning out in other areas of my body. I will look into what an orthodontist can do, but I am not hopeful. My jawline was much stronger when I was young. I was skinnier, and I had a bit of an overbite. When I got Invisalign, my jawline softened considerably. My bite corrected, but my side profile suffered, I think. This softening, however, may have led to a personality change, too. I used to be quite stubborn, and I think it showed in my jaw. I still am, but now I feel much more feminine with my changed facial aesthetic. Still, I’m not happy with my side profile. I will look around for orthodontists who can help with this.

been mewing and hitting the gym for 3 years. completely transformed my face

Could you do a video about your recommendations for behaviors in childhood in increase aesthetics in adulthood? I had a palette expansion done in childhood in the hopes of keeping my wisdom teeth (didn't work) but I was wondering if that effects could've been done without such invasive and expensive dental work.

For women, estrogen levels also play a role. One of my doctors forced my estrogen levels higher and boom I went from model thin to kind of plump. My face got rounder.

Ashley Graham is interesting - super strong bone structure despite not being lean. People say she's had work done but I don't see how that's possible...

mewing,proper swallowing and posture/head posture are really important

Nice video this was educational

Thank you for the video I like your work

I love this channel! :D

I’m about 30% body fat, whenever my face isn’t holding any water my cheeks tend to be hollow and my jawline is visible even though I still have some sag under it . This video is right, it mainly depends on your bone structure.

Be patient! When I was 18 years old, I had a puffy face. If I had gained 2kg it showed so much on my face. Now I'm 44 and in my opinion, my face looks too skinny and I would like to have a fat transfer... If I gain 5kg it doesn't show at all on my face.

Very good videos bro

Please do make a video on expanders and braces! 🥺

I ain't gonna complicate my life due to how much fat my face has and this and that. I'll just live a healthy lifestyle and breath correctly, we all look good doing that. Just love yourself.

These meta analysis are helpful

I've always had hollow cheeks naturally and I thought I should probably eat more, but I always got compliments on my facial features and chiseled jawline, so I started to love the look. fat distribution is different for everyone so even if you're at a low body fat percentage you could still hold more fat in your face and not notice much change. Either that or like this guy said you might not have the best bone structure.

I found his channel by accident. It’s really fascinating. I’m not really a fan of the fashion industry, and I think it’s all very silly. Ironically, I used to date an Avon stylist who was obsessed with appearance. She had a wonderful color sense.

We need more intros like this

wow awesome! Really appreciate this video. I've been an enhanced competitive bodybuilder and even at fairly low (for normal people) bodyfat %, I have a very fat face with poor definition. I can sort of get a lean face but only at unsustainable precontest bodyfat levels.I've been mewing for about 3 years and have seen very minimal results; I find it hard to mew because I have a really overgrown back wisdom tooth and if I mew it can get irritated from contact with the tooth below it while mewing. Is there any hope of orthodontics working well for me at age 33?

Awesome video

(not saying you should but like smoking literally helps you get the hollow jaw) great video definitely is one of the first legit and well constructed video about this topic.

This is interesting for me, because when I’m pretty lean I have the hollow cheeks. However I’m trying to put a bit of muscle on so I’m a little bulkier, but hold a decent amount of water I’m my face when I’m 15%. I think my face is more attractive when I’m smaller, but I like being bigger. If I can get to 10% body fat at 200 that would be ideal for my frame.

True when my mother was expecting me at the age of 27 she gained 12kgs of weight and she is only 5 feet tall so her body had swelled up like a raisin but her cheeks and cheekbones were still hollowed in. Post partam her cheeks sunk even further as she lost the remainder of the pregnancy fat. Even now she accumulates fat in arms thighs belly but never in the face.

1:43 idk if it was your specific intention but hearing someone ik just says the the flat out facts helped me with my eating disorder thought line a bit

Im an asian female with strong jawline. Interestingly I came across this mewing thing a couple years back and realise that this was why my jawline is so well developed. Ever since childhood I had the habit or resting or pushing my tongue against the roof of my mouth. This is a 24/7 thing and it feels weird to just let my tongue lie flat even when I am at rest. Had I known I wouldve not done this as i often hated the look of my jawline in my youth and 20s.

Have you looked into how bad tongue and swallowing posture can lead to hypertrophy of the buccinator muscles which add girth to the cheeks. Making some people look like they got puffy cheeks? Basically people take too large of bites of food or they use their cheeks to move food around rather than their tongue and they swallow with their cheeks in a sucking motion which hyperthyopys them. Of course people should chew smaller bites and swallow with their tongue in small amounts. and only use their tongue to move food around. I've seen some anecdotal evidence in short amount of time(3-6 months) to see people get hallow cheeks from this quite successfully.

Another thing to point out about a healthy lifestyle with fasting is that when you fast for more than 12 hours your body goes through a process called autophagy. there has been multiple medical studies to backup the claims that this process can also break down loose skin, it can make your face look more skinny it can also help with muscle development specially if you add Hilt after you break a fast.. I'm basing all this on actual science articles I read about medical studies human physiology, and my personal experience from losing over 60 pounds and noticing a big difference in my face structure and my body structure overall.

Thanks for the insight. I am 20 years old; just began Mewing and hope by the I am 25, I would have a "Killer Jawline"

Good video!

Is there a way to encourage outward growing cheekbones rather than forward? Makeup tricks, illusion, etc?

ive been wondering this for a while but one of the examples you use is a guy sucking in his cheeks to make his jaw appear sharper, i have a similar situation where if I subtly suck in my cheeks my jaw looks super strong, does this mean if I lose more face fat its what my face will actually look like? or is it no indicator at all of your facial structure

I can attest to how genetics and your bone structure can do a lot.I’m at 25-30% body fat yet my jawline is still pretty visible,and in the mornings,I have slight of that “hollow cheek”look.Although,I’m 15 and I’ve always mewed since childhood,and my mom is a person who strives to be healthy and generally buys a lot healthier food for us since we were young,so nutrition and mewing would of definitely played a big role.

Thank You so much 🔥🔥 love your videos

One thing is that you dont have to starve yourself to get lean, just eat in a slight caloric deficit, track your weight progress and if you see yourself not losing any more weight lower your calories by 100/150 and so on until you are satisfied, eat more volumous food or foods like eggs or chicken which have more protein that make you full, also slow digesting carbs such as oats keep your energy high for longer periods of time, dont have to overcomplicate it or starve yourself

Kindly make a video on X-shaped legs and Bow legs and how they impact on a man/woman's physical attractiveness.

I'm interested into how the Kibbe types play into this. For example a theatrical type could naturally achieve this look easier than a romantic type, because "genetically" the theatrical doesn't "hold onto" fat deposits as readily. For example allison harvard. I personally loved her buccal fat face and think the removal changed the whole vibe. As women age imo they reeeeeeaaaaaalllllyyyy benefit from some extra fat on the face. (lady from emporer's new groove vibes) I wish I had more fat pads padding my very deep set eyes that accentuate the hollows. You could also talk about the development of the muscles under the face. Is "Face yoga" real? I don't know, but I know my face benefits from making the motions it doesn't normally make and it smooths out certain areas for me, such as inversions lessening nasolabial lines.

was just gonna ask you to make this video and just saw this haha

… for past yr or so, I‘ve rather consistently followed an intermittent fasting approach (14:10 up to 20:4, fasting : (some) intake hours). for maintenance reasons only | keeping sizes (physiologically, I’m a distance runner | dancer type, about 6 ft, bmi < 21.5). main issue is to err on intakes preferably on (little) too low side to begin with and keep that from getting astray ever again. if someone can lose 50 redundant (I.e. non-muscle) pounds and still be there, lots went wrong for decades before.

I Learned about mewing and eventually got a palate expander when I was 23, witch splits your suture and got filled with bone mass, as a result, I got an upswing jaw and prominent cheekbones

3:20 this issue is vast majority of anyone watching this video is already way past puberty into adulthood. This is really crucial info for anyone who ever has kids to make sure you take them to a specialist in children's ortho development to correct this at a very young age. I had braces in high school which did nothing for my recessed jaw(either braces were done too late as I already stopped growing or the dentist who put them in wasn't qualified and I should have saw a orthodontist). Eventually years later my teeth shifted as the original dentist never told me i needed retainers for life and then I ended up seeing an orthodontist as an adult to get Invisalign and straighten things out. I asked him if I could do anything about my Class II deep bit and he said no outside of surgery. He just said "just keep your beard since it hides it and frames your face". Moral of story....try and grow a beard if you can to frame your jaw as it hair on your face does the same as hair on your skull.

...and then there are those lucky people who just never seem to gain fat in the facial region, no matter how heavy they get. I know a guy who is about 5'9" and easily wears size 38 or 40 pants. Pear shaped with a bit of a gut. But he has a skinny little head and defined jawline despite not really having prominent facial bones. By contrast, I stay pretty lean and have prominent facial bones and a defined jaw area. But if I gain 5 pounds, I automatically get a double chin. We are all different.

When you say go to the orthodontist, what exactly do you mean? Like what do you ask for?

could you make a video about how does sleep affect your face? like make it asymmetric and stuff

I recall as a child my mom always said she thought kids were cutest as babies/tots & early to mid twenties, I recall how she would say janet jackson was just SO adorable in her early part of her career(music), due to her having that "baby fat" (we were watching pleasure principle specifically lol)

chewed gums though out my uni years and i had seen massive jawline growth

I have been dieting and it's so hard even with two meals a day with a little bit of snacks in between like nuts and veggies to much on, I feel so sad for the models...it must be so stressful and frustrating. P.s Sugar is the hardest to quit.

I’ve had chubby cheeks and always been called cute all my life, until i lost some weight and got buccal fat pad removal that’s when i started getting noticed and getting girls attention more that i never really got all throughout my childhood and kinda accepted that i wasn’t conventionally attractive but i always knew that i just needed to lose face fat, nowadays my face is as lean as it’s ever been but i’m still not satisfied i want it to be leaner to show my bone structure and jawline more

there are muscles in your face like they are in your body if you work them out you will get the sharper for example like buying something to excercise your jaw will definitely give you that sharper look

I agree, Wheight is defenitelly not the major factor. I've always had really hollow cheeks and even though they do look sharper now they looked almost the same when i was 30 pounds heavier...

I used to have very big lips that I didn’t like, after getting braces and finishing the treatment I lost some volume y I feel like I look better

Thank you 👍👍👍

I think I have the answer, it worked for me in a few months, and its kinda obvious now that I think about. What is the other tissue that covers most of our body and can grow as much as you want? muscle. Our face is covered in muscle. Face exercises are everything.

I've always been pretty thin (BMI of ~19) but my face is incredibly chubby. Even now at 23 it still has much more fat than on any other thin person I've seen, even fat people often have thinner faces than me. I know part of it is my shitty facial structure, but it bothers me there's nothing I can do about it. I don't want to waste my young years looking like shit, I'm tired of "oh you'll be happy once you get older" but I thought people started caring less about looks at that age anyways? Plus people say it makes you look "youthful" when it doesn't. I don't know where that comes from. Like sure it can, if you have a good facial structure beneath it, otherwise it will just give you saggy jowls and pronounced nasolabial folds. Sooo youthful, right? Having a fat face and/or bad facial structure is really a curse, you can't do anything to really "fix" it. My upper third and forehead are much too short as well. It's a terrible combination, can't be fixed and it sucks. At leat with a crooked nose or something you can fix it and the surgery for it is very common and well-researched. I really hope in the future we will be able to develop something to properly help people with a disproportionally fat face. Nowadays all I get is that "you're not supposed to remove fat from the face under any circumstance because you will need it once you age!!", though I can't imagine that to be true for every type of face. Some people just clearly have too much facial fat (while others may indeed have little that will imapct them while aging).

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Thanks for the shoutout lol :)

I can vouch for the long term effectiveness of mewing. Definitely a game changer. I don't look perfect, but especially my face has become much more structured and along with jaw exercises, my jaw muscles are now in great shape.

I’ve always had great bone structure! Got me signed to a modeling agency😊

Hey! Please make a video on noses which are actually considered attractive

Orthotropics would be the best way of achieving these desired facial features since it specializes in using natural tools like your tongue and the way you eat to change your face for the better. It is also the most natural way and results from it look the best eventhough it takes time and effort.

Can you do a video on different types of surgeries we can get for improving jaws and midface generally? Like which ones are the best, risks and benefits of each one? I think it would make a great video.

4:03 I'm standing at same amount of fat right now, my shoulders and abs are stronger though. The Face fat looks very similar, but I don't have those hollow cheeks. As far as models are considered, their make up and lighting matters too.

I’d love to know what happens if I get expanders or braces - and whether I need them in the first place 🥲🥲🥲 what are the measurements please! Would love to see a video on that 🥹🥺

Be happy with who u are

I hate the whole sharp face trend, because that's what it is: a beauty trend. It is no different than one size doesn't fit all influencer makeup circa 2016. A bony face does not suit everybody! It's also quite silly when you consider the face hollows out even more over time! A fat enhanced face literally promotes neotany! Fat on the face is as only unflattering as you make it.

I have a good jaw and high cheekbones but my entire life I’ve been too high of a body fat to see them. I’m excited to see myself at low body fat.

Glad you mentioned Igor 😂

Hi would you be able to go into a video about shorter models around 160 to 170 and the marketablity of them?

Depending on your circumstances, you could get Botox in your massaters to reduce the size of the over pronounced jaw muscles. I had an asymmetrical face with a heavy right jaw and I got Botox/xeomin, (more on the right but also the left side) and within a month, I saw more of my real jawline, and it slimmed my face. It is probably the least expensive and quickest ways to change your face shape and if you don't like it, you can stop getting Botox every 6 months. I personally will continue until xeomin has little effect and my muscles are trained to stay slimmer and symmetrical. I live in LA and London and I'm seeing a lot of filler in the jaw that looks fake, and it actually makes their face wider which I think is not what people are trying to achieve. Filler migrates as well and will only look good for 6 months to a year before it makes you look even heavier in the face. After all of the filler is injected over time it cannot be reduced easily because the skin has also stretched.

In my experience it is hugely a part of genetics, I know a jacked dude (17% bodyfat) and he doesnt have a jawline while I (well above 25% bodyfat) i have a nice bone structure in my jaw

actually, I have hollow cheeks thanks to mewing and cardio workout I have a friend that is a lot skinnier than me but my face is more defined btw mewing really works if you are under 18 just give it a try

100% agree w orthodontics, I'm 20, 5'2 and 88lbs, after having braces my features like jawline, and cheekbones became quite prominent. When I was 16, I had my baby fat still and no braces, so I had a very round/square ish face. Now I'm 20, lost a bit of weight but the braces really helped shape my face, as well my jaw line too is more defined than some guys my age and I'm a girl. Especially straightening my teeth, made me really like the set of teeth I was born with, due to how symmetrical it was done. Really realigned my face and made it so much more comfortable for my mouth in general, my entire family has really crooked teeth, and vampire looking k9s growing from above so it's quite incredible what orthodontics can do.

I have a pretty good wide jaw and is at a low bf% but still don't get the hollow cheeks though I do have a good gonion shadow

I think I'm stuck with a non sharp jawline. My jaw is narrow but I don't have any of these problems like very crooked teeth, recessed jaw, etc. My side profile is straight, nose is small and straight, I do have defined high cheekbones, just no visible gonial angle from the side. Weight loss only helps a little as I'm already at a low healthy weight.