How To Grow Cities (OpenTTD Game Mechanics 04)

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This video is based on MFB's article on the OpenTTDCoop Wiki, which I have updated for 2020: wiki.openttdcoop.org/index.ph...
CORRECTIONS:
- Actually spamming "fund new buildings" can be beneficial (1:41). The 2x boost doesn't compound, but buying it resets the next growth event to be in 2 days, so if you spam it every 2 days you're basically paying big $$$ to set town growth to "grows every 2 days." This is called "powerfunding."
- Some city-builder/other gamescripts may actually use the vanilla growth rate mechanics, so the first half of this video could still apply. And some could bypass the town road random walk algorithm (in a roundabout way), so actually the second half may not always apply. (maybe another video analysing game scripts ;p)
Thanks to /u/citymaniac for these corrections: / fe3h1bj
CityMania client which shows a bunch of useful information about the town building algorithm: citymania.org/downloads

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@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

CORRECTIONS: - Actually spamming "fund new buildings" can be beneficial (1:41). The 2x boost doesn't compound, but buying it resets the next growth event to be in 2 days, so if you spam it every 2 days you're basically paying big $$$ to set town growth to "grows every 2 days." This is called "powerfunding." - Some city-builder/other gamescripts may actually use the vanilla growth rate mechanics, so the first half of this video could still apply. And some could bypass the town road random walk algorithm (in a roundabout way), so actually the second half may not always apply. (maybe another video analysing game scripts ;p) Thanks to /u/citymaniac for these corrections: www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/enjtr9//fe3h1bj/ CityMania client which shows a bunch of useful information about the town building algorithm: citymania.org/downloads

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to have corrections so soon :D

@terrybishop4651 3 жыл бұрын

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@turkeyphant 10 ай бұрын

Where's the advanced road layout video?

@odizzido 2 жыл бұрын

Neat, I didn't know towns could grow so huge. I wish there was more to do in this game. My experience was I set up a couple train lines in 20mins and became rich and that was the end of the game for me.

@Kaij- Жыл бұрын

Thats me too, you can make the game harder by changing running costs and inflation / recession, but honestly after a good few stations. its game over. Ive never been able to build these super city style games, with 5-6-7 stations side by side shipping passengers everywhere!

@homohumanoperson4565 Жыл бұрын

My goal everytime is to have everything connected to become the transportation magnate

@A_Simple_Neurose Жыл бұрын

Try turning on cargo distribution for passengers and mail. This way every station you connect to your network will add to the difficulty of maintaining it, since passengers will want to go from one town to another, and you'll want to keep ratings high. It's a game about setting your own goals in a way really, you can also limit yourself to only some industries etc. It's not a traditional "here's the goal, go do it" kind of thing.

@thegrandestbazaar4800 Жыл бұрын

I find that I get bored with making oversized canal networks going over 100 tiles of elevation

@FuturesAnalytica 8 ай бұрын

Download XIS extreme industries set. It adds like 64 industries all interlinked.

@crytexk102 3 жыл бұрын

Me: builds peacefully Admiral AI company started! Admiral AI: builds a hella lot of airports Me: buys exclusive transport rights from the city they originated from Admiral AI: not stonks

@Nightdare 2 жыл бұрын

To prevent dead end roads you can also select 2x2 or 3x3 road layouts in the options menu

@Yvax99 4 жыл бұрын

in the next episode, we go into more details. well i wish it comes soon enough

@charlesbaker7703 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent and easy to understand overview of how to grown towns\cities in ottd!

@randalcquebedeaux314 4 жыл бұрын

Agree, very clear and straight forward! I already knew some of the mechanics, but not all.

@Edwinbraun20 2 жыл бұрын

I wish you well amigo. I just learned a whole lot about my favorite strategy game. I never knew this stuff before

@mikaruyami Жыл бұрын

I tend to build my railway networks on raised tracks. In towns/cities I'll purposely build roads system that go under with tunnels and under track bridges to prevent crossings. Looks really aesthetically pleasing on the map too.

@menzoberranzam 3 ай бұрын

Excellent video. Thank you for growing my interest in a 30 years old game.

@InvertedCreeper1611 4 жыл бұрын

Good Video. I Might Try Something Like This In My Next OpenTTD Video.

@russianbear0027 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the subtitles

@Jancek34 4 жыл бұрын

This was my favorite part :)

@Tempus64 3 жыл бұрын

Have you done the extended video where you go more into road layouts etc? Looked for it but couldn't see anything.

@scj6693 4 жыл бұрын

can you make a video/write a short explanation on how best to design feeder routes? i’m always confused on whether to have looping bus routes that hit the whole city, or just individual lines from each station to the transfer point.

@Etrehumain123 4 жыл бұрын

Yaaay

@aquila7561 4 жыл бұрын

Yay time for me to go grow some towns :D

@sidbell929 3 жыл бұрын

This was interesting - I've recently taken up ottd again, and was looking at Master Hellish's series for a refresher. He built a circular overground railway (with 4 little platforms) around a town on one playthrough. Would this count towards the station count, or is it purely road depots/stops? Cheers for this, and the Logic Gate vids you did - Awesome!

@LugnutsK 2 жыл бұрын

Yup this would count as four stations

@josetrrr 3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful video thank you.

@OlSkunGun 2 жыл бұрын

Transport Tycoon is a classic. I've bought Transport Giant on my PS4 which a port of 2002 PC game if I remember correctly.

@UnclDeD Жыл бұрын

I just like how you go STTRAIGHT TO THE POINT of the video withour any blsht. THanks

@El-Burrito 3 жыл бұрын

Still hoping for the next video in this series!

@ssv177 2 жыл бұрын

How about goods/passangers/mail delivered into the city? I remember it was efficient way to grow most of the cites in TTD back in the days when i was playing it (OpenTTD may work somehow different thou).

@LaChRiZ2k 3 жыл бұрын

Whats about the blue color of the tracks at 3:13? How did you colorized it?

@Simcity11100 4 жыл бұрын

Actually if you use one way roads the town can't build roads off the roads you built and when you make a 90 degree turn I tend to lower the land so it's turning on a slope so it can't make an intersection or you can build rail but that prevents it from building houses there but both prevent the city from building roads. Helpful when playing on a server like the reddit server that allows towns to build roads.

@Simcity11100 4 жыл бұрын

also forgot to add that the towns don't build on sloops that go up diagonally so if a town is building on the side of the hill make sure there isn't three different heights between the four points of a tile otherwise it won't build a house on the slope.

@James_Moton 4 жыл бұрын

When you say that road layout is important for town growth, do you mean that for the most efficient town growth, you will want to have, on average, as few junctions as possible? Which of the following road layouts is best for town growth? A. An "H" shape with one main road crossing the town center with many side roads coming off the main road B. A spiral road layout where the origin is at the town center C. A single road with no junctions in a space-filling layout (that comes through the town center) D. A grid of roads (like the built-in 2x2 or 3x3 grid layout)

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

TLDR: I would rank those (B) best, (A) or (C) middle, and (D) worst. But I want to do more research/testing In addition to minimize dead ends, I also think minimizing loops is also beneficial. Both because the random walk won't go in circles and also because any loop could be broken up to make more room for houses. (So grids (D) are not optimal) So spirals and pinwheel layouts (B) should be ideal. Space-filling curves (C) and spanning tree layouts should also be good. Another thing to consider is the distance to the town center. The size of buildings is only determined by the distance to the town center, so a ideal road layout would prioritize building closer to the center over building far away. So spirals naturally do this (start in the middle and slowly go outwards), but space filling curves might not, so they may be slightly less optimal because of that. Same with H (A) layout which I think would probably make oblong cities (but needs more testing).

@thegrandestbazaar4800 Жыл бұрын

Very good

@SirMangoMantango 2 жыл бұрын

So let's say you're making a simple station with 2 platforms, one for each way, do I want to go into advanced settings and limit station size to 7x1 and place 2 individual stations next to each other?

@matheusimon7316 Жыл бұрын

Delivering goods seems to make the city to grown faster also. But the game should have a limit on options like the AI village is village to prevent huge city controlling the entire map out of nowhere

@granderondeproductions3286 2 жыл бұрын

Nevermind the train running in circles lol

@oiltanker7332 3 жыл бұрын

Still here waiting for the second episode to hit

@vvpohil Жыл бұрын

Is delivering goods somehow affect city growth? For example, I had two cities (without bus stations). The first one was supplied by goods and grew every 72 days, and the second one (not supplied) grew every 100 days.

@eignervy 3 жыл бұрын

Question: where can i find to turn off town building roads. i cannot find under build road filter . it doesnt show anything about town automatically building roads.

@aribonek 3 жыл бұрын

thanks good video

@cheese095 Жыл бұрын

how can I turn on and off the texture of houses and buildings? because I downloaded the game a week ago and when I entered my previous game there was nothing, house texture, and I don't know where to set this. Thank you in advance for your answer

@leongkinwai9709 4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious about one of the mechanics here: I tend not to build station buildings on the city tile nowadays because one of the results I found about the matter said it could prevent the city from growing: what is the logic behind this happening? I'm also mildly doubtful about this being the case as I remember a playthrough where I built a station directly on the city tile and it grew normally, but it might also have been growing before I expanded the station over it.

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

I believe the city cannot grow if you block the 3x3 area centered on the city tile, but I haven't checked this. This comes from the trying to build random walk, it needs to find a place to start or else the city can't grow.

@leongkinwai9709 4 жыл бұрын

@@LugnutsK I see, thanks for the reply.

@wizardbrandon3544 3 жыл бұрын

My town be like: hey what if the town was solid road

@nirasa 4 жыл бұрын

super :-)

@noobamonggods2556 2 жыл бұрын

im running into an issue when playing OpenTTD im on version 1.10.3 and it doesnt allow me to do the "Fund New Building" and with the placing bus stations around the town doesnt have any effect on the growth, is it bugged or is there a new way to grow the town?

@noobamonggods2556 2 жыл бұрын

P.S. the only mod that I have is a bridge replacement I also tried doing it without that mod and still nothing happens

@yellowbaloney6820 4 ай бұрын

can somebody please explain to me why when I used a spiral pattern, added 5 stations to a town, 20 buses and it started at roughly 200 people but in like 80 years of letting it sit trying to grow it it only reached like 5,000 people. Keep in mind though this was a set scenario and I manually placed the town in that then played the senariao

@Yvax99 4 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up

@whoshotdk 5 ай бұрын

Are you absolutely, positively sure that multiple “Fund new buildings” does nothing? I would be inclined to agree with you except that when I *do* spam the button I seem to see new buildings pop up immediately. Doesn’t increase the growth rate, as you said. Could just be coincidence! Edit: Just saw your previous comment haha.

@christopherweaver9543 Жыл бұрын

What mod does the big slug in the middle of the ocean belong to

@ThanksIfYourReadIt Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to pick a city and grow it to cover the entire map?

@ryforg 2 жыл бұрын

how to select a town to fund it and also i cant build bus stops if they hate us how to make them like us

@r3m0vR 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah not bad!!

@akadespot5451 4 жыл бұрын

wow, can you share the pack of buildings that you have on the preview?

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

That is the "North American City Set," available in the OpenTTDCoop GRF Pack: wiki.openttdcoop.org/GRF#Download (and "North American Building Set" on BaNaNaS)

@vpetrunichkin 2 жыл бұрын

молодчага!

@ruthpayot6683 4 жыл бұрын

What is best for town growing bus, train, plane or boats?

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

In vanilla it doesn't matter as long as there are 5 stations getting serviced. So bus is probably the easiest, but they all work.

@badgerassz Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to build more than 1 heliport ?

@jeremesorteberg3848 3 ай бұрын

How did I just find out thsg towns only need 5 stations to grow. Ain't no goddamn way. Is this still true in the newer versions?

@soldieroffortune308 2 жыл бұрын

At the end you tease another video, but you haven’t released it since :(

@EpicTyphlosionTV 3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't mail help?

@WojtekPlay 3 жыл бұрын

wait what? only 34k views and only 40 comments? something is wrong, i can feel it...

@RefresherBG 4 жыл бұрын

Can make a video for city game scripts ?

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

Yea, will require more research and I'm going to prioritize vanilla first, but eventually :D

@gifroggo3924 2 жыл бұрын

I dont have the option to disable the roads that are built, is there any way I can stop this growth because some of it is getting too insane. I also do not want to cut off goods.

@LugnutsK 2 жыл бұрын

Buy up lots of land around the town. If the town has a grid layout you only have to block the road grid.

@vito7654 2 ай бұрын

@@LugnutsKis there any way to grow citys after ai gives up?

@marshall2.4.5 9 күн бұрын

I apologize ladies and gentlemen, can anyone tell me what function the author is using at the moment: 0:34 This is extremely important to me for gameplay and ease of use, but I can't find any information about this feature

@AtomixKingg 7 күн бұрын

Do you mean making the transparency options? If so, pressing X will toggle everything's visibilty. Use Ctrl X to open the transparency menu for individual control and to lock certain categories (I for example lock signs and stations to be permanently visible)

@marshall2.4.5 7 күн бұрын

@@AtomixKingg Yes, I meant the transparency setting. Thank you very much, you helped me a lot

@user-yu4ue1bl1p 2 жыл бұрын

I had to place two bus stops, a depot and one bus in a 1k city, and it became a 7k city in 10 years (i know it's not the fastest tactic)

@a_4_year_old411 3 жыл бұрын

No one gonna mention the train in the bottom left at 2:54 ? Ok

@KeinNiemand Жыл бұрын

Has anyone grown a tiny

@whatareyousoafraidof9592 4 жыл бұрын

how to do the bus loop? i dont understand

@LugnutsK 4 жыл бұрын

At 1:15? I put some one way roads so the buses can't escape. Buses without orders will just randomly turn at each intersection, so eventually they will enter the loop. Once there, they will continue to drive around randomly but will stop at whatever bus stops they hit.

@MrThorV2 11 ай бұрын

4:00 don't have this in options

@kevinduliesco5468 2 жыл бұрын

Step 1:Mess with the settings

@Adrian-Trivani Жыл бұрын

Just make the G R I D for road layout

@RainedOnParade 14 күн бұрын

Lemme guess buses, goods and mail

@asmrgamingOz 3 жыл бұрын

500 like for a great game 👍

@eignervy 3 жыл бұрын

Question: where can i find to turn off town building roads. i cannot find under build road filter . it doesnt show anything about town automatically building roads.

@DanksterPaws 3 жыл бұрын

Make sure your settings category is set so that it shows all settings