How to Grow Mushrooms: Using Liquid Culture to Make Grain Spawn

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@Dpkde 3 жыл бұрын

Quick tip: You don’t need the needle on top if you’re spraying into the top!

@jamescrane7034 7 ай бұрын

why not use the port because that is what it is for

@pierre-oliviercomeau5277 2 жыл бұрын

Small advice: new seringes are sterile. No need to heat them before innoculating

@TheException2therule 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy I found your channel. I had been talking about growing mushrooms but never tried it. In the summer my grandma gave me a pink oyster kit just to try out how fun it was. My 6 year old son and I loved it so much that I have been trying to learn how to grow my own. I wish I had watched your cloning videos before we ate them all lol. Thank you so much for all you share about this amazing hobby (for me anyway). We really love watching. I've learned more from your videos than the many hours I spent reading prior to finding you. Thank you so much!

@ashsherman 3 жыл бұрын

Watching is 10x faster than reading. Ive had a few successes my first tries, then a few failures. Brf cakes i ruined by using contaminated water in a self made spore syringe.

@shawnwillis767 Жыл бұрын

It’s pretty easy too👇🏻🫡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@MaxMut. 4 жыл бұрын

Great Advice! Usually when people tells you, your wrong, then you know your on something Big”

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Yep! We agree!

@howlynnmartin1356 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, I just found out about grow kits and I’m already obsessed. I love the no-nonsense hobby versus business sides of your how to videos and also your failures are even more important because that way those of us who have never done it won’t be discouraged if our first few trying out runs have issues. We know to expect mistakes and what may solve them. So thank you.

@WasBannedTho 3 жыл бұрын

Hey can u tell me the difference between buying what he said and this method I don’t really understand this small part of the process.

@TDelta23 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see you review your old videos live and provide a bit of commentary on what you do differently

@rhettstimmler7176 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining what you did with the rice and showing us how to handle/transfer the final product.

@frenchytickler 4 жыл бұрын

I've been watching so many videos, re: mycology... This is the first one, I've watched by you.... You are the man... Thanks...

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@sweetdragon36067 4 жыл бұрын

I really like your thorough use of spray alcohol: can never be too careful. Thanks for the video.

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@flip7624 4 жыл бұрын

I like to inoc 1 to 2 qt jars then multiply them into larger grain bags. With all the strong mycelium points they colonize quite fast for me. I have a lot to learn myself. Next for me is single strain agar to grain. Cant wait!!

@RobertHuntleyHI 5 жыл бұрын

You're a good teacher. Thank you.

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that!

@johnnenni7134 4 жыл бұрын

Great video ... really like that you showed yourself going crazy with alcohol. I had forgotten if that could harm the culture and i take this video as a *Safer is better than a little culture* ..... you are officially my 1st bell i will follow.

@brianjones7919 2 жыл бұрын

Humble guy.. gentleman and a scholar.. looking forward to more.. new sub

@lewismathews7477 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. You said you don’t need to use the whole syringe but what do you consider to be a sufficient ratio of millilitres of liquid culture to grams of hydrated grain?

@alexcontreras8205 4 жыл бұрын

What temperature do you keep your bags at after injecting spores?

@davidwhitehouse9665 4 жыл бұрын

You Sir are a Boss. Nice thanks for the Gr8 video and the MOSSY! Cheers friend!

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and right back at you.

@bradpotetz9844 3 жыл бұрын

Very happy to see a professional share this priceless information. Very much appreciated.

@kohararakelian5162 4 жыл бұрын

Hey mossy greek mushrooms, thanx for the vid, Is that brown rice? And should it be cooked or not, before we inoculate them... Thanx

@nancybeard812 5 жыл бұрын

I’m kinda curious. What do you do with the substrate after you’re done growing your mushrooms? Does it go to a nursery as mushroom compost? Do you dump it somewhere? I couldn’t imagine you’d have the space to compost it yourself since you work out of your home in a neighborhood. (?) Not sure what your living situation is.

@guardianofthesacredflame1649 2 жыл бұрын

Once you have used the entire syringe of liquid culture can you draw 5cc of unpopulated liquid cutler to see if there is a few mycelium are still hanging out in the syringe? Maybe they will regenerate from the few that are in the syringe?

@kroytjhio3847 5 жыл бұрын

Where do you get your spawn and fruiting bags? Awesome video, I'm a newbie and trying to wrap my head around mushroom growing

@fonkymonky60 4 жыл бұрын

Are those bags you use microperforated? when the seal is without air intake?

@ryanlachurrerra4044 4 жыл бұрын

Super helpful. What is the brand or type of bag you use for your grain spawn here? Thanks!

@truyennam 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, engaging video

@lindadevoe2241 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent tutorial. Thank You!

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@john-smith. 5 жыл бұрын

Do you have a video on how you load your bags in the PC, and your process. I'm just getting in to bags, and I'm looking to do it the new way (no tyvek, or popped bags). Thanks MC

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Check out our grain spawn video, that shows how I do a lot of it. Thank you!

@aprilcoignard6261 4 жыл бұрын

Is there any other hygienic way around the hepa filter besides the hygienic port you mentioned...for the culture to substrate transfer?

@carlpadilla1529 5 жыл бұрын

NICE! MOSSy. Got your back in WI.

@jamiemonroe4144 6 ай бұрын

Woooah, I didn't expect to see that the m\Mycelium Emporium hails from my home state. That's pretty cool

@valantisarseniosl8604 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Could I suggest a How to store video or even some information in comment? How, where and for how long to spore prints, spore syringes,spawn agar dishes and seed bags etc. Thank you.

@rajangautam9073 4 жыл бұрын

is there hole or any air medium for inner bag is needed for the grain spawn

@Justask Жыл бұрын

Sorry for lame question, where you wrote the strain is that tape to let it breath? Or are the bags completely sealed

@i_chabela 4 жыл бұрын

Hi! Besides Rye rice what other sustrate can I use to innoculate the liquid culture? Thanks!

@wetaverse5472 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent thank you...what is the temperature of your spawn bag grow room please and is it constant?

@Dpkde 3 жыл бұрын

26.5c & yes

@DavidSanR 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, im glad i can find some info about this, can you tell me the proccedure for the grain, i mean, what proccedure they gone tru when/how you put them in the bag and in the pot, etc. Thank you so much !

@Josh-rn1em 4 жыл бұрын

Pasteurise dung or sterilise substrate. Search those things on yt

@mysticmountainmushrooms6978 4 жыл бұрын

REALLY appreciate you sharing your knowledge! Spawing away here...

@extremelysugarfree8029 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, sorry for asking random question. I recently bought mushroom spawn that are growing in barley grain. I am wondering whether can I transfer and grow the mushroom spawn into liquid culture containing glucose and yeast? Normally, people will grow it in liquid culture and transfer it into the grain. I am just wondering if it is workable if do it in otherway round.

@chandlerbuchanan4105 4 жыл бұрын

You could do that, but it would be easier to take colonized grain and put it on Agar first, then innoculate the LC with the agar.

@foreverkenzie2397 2 жыл бұрын

Is this the same steps to grow mushrooms from a syringe? Im just looking to grow some myself and I'm celiac so can I use wood chips?

@johnbradleyaustin 4 жыл бұрын

what are you spraying with? alcohol or 70 % peroxide?

@WinnRoberton 4 жыл бұрын

what is the shelf life for grain spawn?

@thatguy8718 4 жыл бұрын

This bags that your using...where can I get those? Assuming that lil patch on them allows it to breathe?

@nortok00 3 ай бұрын

Hi. I just came across this video. Thanks for taking the time to make it! I want to try growing my own mushrooms and had previously come across the liquid cultures which is what led me to this video. Just a quick question... You flamed the needle instead of using the alcohol spray. Is the spray not enough to sterilize the needle or is flaming it because you don't want alcohol to contaminate the culture as you're injecting it into the grain?

@barryspraut7281 4 жыл бұрын

how long do you leave the bags in the pressure canner

@Vikanjr 4 жыл бұрын

What temperatures do you have the grain bags in?

@nunya1217 3 жыл бұрын

You remind me a lot of a very good friend of mine, definitely subscribing

@patrickscoggins1 4 жыл бұрын

I am very happy to have discovered you and enjoy the informative videos! Do you have a coupon code for your own website? Thanks

@zanemarshall2938 3 жыл бұрын

Is spawn necessary to have? Like could one just use liquid culture on cardboard to grow blue oyster mushrooms?

@knaball 4 жыл бұрын

Whats the spray bottle mix? Is it 4tspns per qt of bleach to water?

@emman7o2 4 жыл бұрын

What size bag do you use? Where do you buy them? Can you give me the bag specifications? Thanks!

@idin8888 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you quite helpful.

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, thank you for watching!

@alrachid2 4 жыл бұрын

Where do you get the stuff for the master mix? All im finding is really expensive stuff that makes it not even worth it for me..

@recklessroges 4 жыл бұрын

Find your nearest farmer and make a deal to clean up spillage.

@pedrogotardo6571 4 жыл бұрын

youre awesome dude :D thanks

@DenverCityCat 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Where do you buy your grain from? Is it better to buy local ya think? Great video, appreciate your expertise!

@Wrangzilla 4 жыл бұрын

How many quarts is that pressure cooker?

@splendidbehavior 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@bryanadz 4 жыл бұрын

Hi , why you cook your substrate ? do you not think that will be so easy when you sterilize using the Hydrated lim ?

@collectivegarden8475 5 жыл бұрын

Since you did not inject into the bag do you really need a needle if you are opening the bag and squirting the liquid culture in?

@urwhatueat2170 5 жыл бұрын

Andrew - great videos! I met you at a Thai restaurant on your birthday trip last year. Your wife is great in so many ways. Thor is awesome. I wish I could find pelletized soy hulls. In your cleaning video it appeared you were wiping with bleach - and no gloves. Bleach is much worse on my hands than isopropyl. Keep up with the great sharing. I will be trying the pathfinder oyster.

@urwhatueat2170 5 жыл бұрын

Mossy Creek Mushrooms It was the Thai restaurant in Telluride I was the guy dressed like Paul Stamets. I am so glad you are becoming a Rockstar KZfaqr. Next time I go to the Telluride mushroom parade I can go as you. That is such a relief - I don’t need to lose 80 lbs to pull off a realistic TR Davis costume :)

@toasty5546 5 жыл бұрын

@@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial oh my god a video on thor ? iam SO excited for that one litteraly just posted a comment with a request for more detail over your bagger (thor) and now i read this ! :D

@francomushroomtutorialsmus306 2 жыл бұрын

May i ask if we can used Grain spawn transfer to Liquid culture ?

@shadowgun22 4 жыл бұрын

I want to grow some portobellos. Any advice?

@robertblixt9676 4 жыл бұрын

I was going to buy needle and stuff i saw many thicknesses on the orderpage. I want to use thinnest possible needle for the seal but i dont want problem with sucking mycel. what thickness is best?

@joestankevich7181 4 жыл бұрын

18 gauge

@melissamoshpitqueen9069 4 жыл бұрын

So i am New to all of this. I am trying to learn all the different methods. For stating good tek. Using premade up ones while i take in everything and learn good starting places. What you said in one of your video is people holding back information. Which is hard to understand myself. When regardless of making your own spawns or liquids or ajars your always going to have to reach out to one another at some time for some kind of product to help you get your product to were you want it to be Im just looking for good guides so. What up with the sugar to sugar transfers can you go into some detail with that for me

@ImMizerD 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another great video! I have to ask, what's that new mushroom I see you wearing? I can't tell if it's just an ornament, a whistle or a pipe? Either way, I'm sure it would do well as merch looks good, I'd buy one.

@incredone 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@jsharpe987 5 жыл бұрын

Can you use 151 grain alcohol

@Reanore 6 ай бұрын

do i have to prep store bought grain bags?

@tatyanagallacher1939 5 жыл бұрын

Great videos. Thank you. Where do you get grain from?

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I get it from the co-op.

@jmous1212 4 жыл бұрын

water and honey work if you dont have grain?

@jkmott59 2 жыл бұрын

you prefer agar to grain in general? I'm a total noob and it seems like most people prefer LC for speed.

@drzflyest4 4 жыл бұрын

How do your bags not melt in the pc when they touch the sides?

@NormLaw-ob2jc Жыл бұрын

Can I inject the liquid culture directly into the substrate and bypass the grain spawn procedure??

@taylortayler5251 3 жыл бұрын

How much water do you put in your 23qt presto with 4 bags in it?

@kanalensomermads 4 жыл бұрын

Which plastic bags did you use? Can regular plastic bags tolerate the temperature and pressure from the sterelisation? Great video! Best regards

@troyelhard2684 4 жыл бұрын

You'll want to get the pre-sterilized grain bags if you're beginning.

@geinstein8407 5 жыл бұрын

I'd love to get your input I usually drop agar but when I do use a liquid I make a LI with agar Basically: Drop agar into sterilized water with a ball of foil and just shake the crap out of it I can usually make 50-100cc of inoculate with it Just something fun that I'd love to have your input on

@TitokiExtract 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of grain is that?

@delphzouzou4520 4 жыл бұрын

Great. Can you put a tear of the liquid culture in a petri dish, to keep it in your mushroom library ?

@TwoHams 3 жыл бұрын

You might be able to look into some aeroponics nozzels and just have them spray alcohol over the operation for you so you don't have to keep grabbing the bottle.

@miltonsmushroomhouse1722 4 жыл бұрын

When you say solid to solid tranfer what exactly do you do?

@alekswhy88 4 жыл бұрын

It means grain to grain. Or agar to grain. Or vise versa.

@unconventional_health 4 жыл бұрын

When your grain to grain transfers of mycelium get to be to much do you use liquid culture or Agar? Just wondering?

@ashsherman 3 жыл бұрын

He said agar in case you never got an answer, lol,i know this is old

@mistakin1 5 жыл бұрын

I want to start growing, I want to use straw and the bags. Where should I get my spores to start out

@mistakin1 5 жыл бұрын

@@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial can I have your website, i really like how you started out. I'm wanting to make it a full time business. Starting off small. I have a fruiting room all setup and rdy.

@serobnagapetyan9960 2 жыл бұрын

I have a serious question. I just accidently injected 2 different liquid spawn into a grain jar. Is this bad news? What's the end result/issues? Not 2 different jars. I accidently put 1 cc of 2 different into 1 jar

@rodneydaub3812 4 жыл бұрын

I caught my still air box on fire today. I'm just glad I didn't have more fuel out lol

@bradpotetz9844 3 жыл бұрын

Was it bad? Did it burn you to shit? I'm always worried about that. I did an experiment to see if it would explode and it did and burnt my facial hair off.

@rodneydaub3812 3 жыл бұрын

@@bradpotetz9844 Use 70% and it will be less of a problem. You can get burnt, I didn't, I got lucky

@austinmoreno8486 2 жыл бұрын

@@PG1000. dats what I did!!! It was lowkey awesome tho, listen. I had my LC jars and needles and shiet in a box , sprayed alcohol wiped it down waited a minute, sparked my lighter to sterilize the needle 🤣 and it made a weird big flame , and I let the lighter go so that it would go off, AANNNDDDD the flame stayed lit in the center of the box and kinda flickered like 2-3 times, (paralyzed in awe) watching the swirling turning a little more bright yellow and then poof the entire box spiraled into a fireball and I dropped my red hot needle and ruined one of the bags and burned the hairs on my arm trying to pick up the needle while it’s swirling on fire 🤣

@kirkh5820 2 жыл бұрын

Helll yeah.

@spek1174 4 жыл бұрын

what's the best solution to store the spores in? Distilled water?

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

You can use distilled for sure. I use RO water typically.

@goatstead814 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! What grain are you using? Unrelated question, do you have a cooler to store product until delivery day? We were out knocking on kitchens yesterday, picked up 3 new restaurants, woohoo.

@andreslorenzosantana4920 5 жыл бұрын

could it be oats? it would be nice to know some millet spawn preparation tips, I like to use millet for master inoculated by LC and then g2g to rye. I soak millet for 6h and then sterilize, but colonization of millet master jar is very slow compared to rye :(

@goatstead814 5 жыл бұрын

@@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial Just read your blog, awesome!

@thrishulh9834 2 жыл бұрын

can i use cane sugar instead of honey? Jaggery be used instead of honey?

@HeartlandFamilyDesigns 5 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, why do you put a needle on it? Can you not just squirt it from the syringe directly?

@antmanmax1 5 жыл бұрын

Contaminants. Unless you're in a clean room (and even then, because even in clean rooms shit happens), good lab procedure is to sterilize the syringe between bags, jars, etc. There's spores and bacteria floating around everywhere, and using it without a metal syringe makes it harder to sterilize (you could spray the nozzle with alcohol, but then you're risking getting some alcohol in the culture, which is no good either.) It's better to spend a minute now practicing good lab procedures than risking the hours you spent working on spawn that goes bad.

@collectivegarden8475 5 жыл бұрын

It seems like if you’re not using the needle adding a needle only adds potential contaminants?

@chrisnuenthel8937 4 жыл бұрын

Go through extensive lab procedures, only to not wear a face mask and talk to an audience on camera. Haha. I love this guy though he's awesome, but the mouth is probably the dirtiest part of a person besides the colon and anus. Lots of fungi and bacteria in the mouth. Also ppl are so afraid of their cultures ruining. On grain it makes sense cause that's more ideal for bacteria and mold then mushrooms. I'm fruiting oyster mushrooms in a bag I didn't sterile, on cardboard I didn't sterilize, cloned from stem buds I obtained none sterile. Also had it culture in a none sterile room with holes poked in it none sterile needle and no filter patch. Some mushrooms are tougher than we give them credit. We treat them like they're biologically weak, but think of the places they grow in nature. They're not weak, they just need a good head start and the right growing materials and conditions. We make them weak by constantly sheltering them from life.

@andreslorenzosantana4920 5 жыл бұрын

what are your thoughts about liquid inoculum made with agar wedge blended on sterilized water? I'm thinking about buying a second hand oster blender to try it... Thank you for the video!

@BarefootBeekeeper 5 жыл бұрын

If that is isopropyl alcohol you are spraying around liberally, you are seriously putting your lungs in danger. And then you use a naked flame... Great information, though. Is there a reliable way to tell if a liquid culture is contaminated before using it? Is it a good idea, for example, to make an agar plate from the LC before using it in bags?

@RobertHuntleyHI 5 жыл бұрын

As someone who is still failing miserably at getting good results from liquid spores and grain bags, I had once thought using alcohol to clean the needle might have damaged the spores I want to grow just like the ones I don't want to grow. Does it just get too diluted enough when the liquid comes down the needle that you have no concerns about that?

@per-179 5 жыл бұрын

Could you please explain solid to solid transfer. A question from a newbie. Thank you.

@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial 4 жыл бұрын

Agar to Agar. Meaning that I would cut a piece of agar from a petri dish, and use that to inoculate a new plate.

@chamm0ns151 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mossycreekmushroomsofficial its super easy to make an agar dish from liquid culture though.

@BarefootBeekeeper 5 жыл бұрын

Why not inject the LC through the bag, to avoid having to open it at all?

@ButterfliesGoneWildx 4 жыл бұрын

Because you want to be able to seal back the bag! A seal maintains a clean environment for the mycelium to spread without any trouble, if there would be a whole, any other bacteria could try and go in and mess your work up!

@BloodAsp 4 жыл бұрын

@@ButterfliesGoneWildx Could you not just slap some micropore tape on it afterwards, and call it a day? That way you don't have to gape the entire bag.

@ThahnG413 3 жыл бұрын

@@ButterfliesGoneWildx um not really he could easily put an injection port on the bag and inject through that

@ThahnG413 3 жыл бұрын

@@BloodAsp The microtape probably wouldn't be sterile but he could have just used an injection port

@macavalli2619 3 жыл бұрын

Well at least now you know why he goes crazy with the alcohol 😋

@GreenWitch1 3 жыл бұрын

I’m just starting my mushroom journey. I ordered 7 different liquid cultures & inoculated Uncle Bens ready brown rice bags. The mycelium is growing so fast! I’ll use those original bags to inoculate several other bags before putting them into my substrate. I’m glad I’ve got some time because I don’t have everything set up yet. Just trying to have what I need before I need it, but not before. I’m really excited!

@RealBradMiller 3 жыл бұрын

I'm new to this and using Uncle Ben's Did you make holes at the top for gas exchange, and if so, how? Everything was going fine with mine, and then they crashed and started to have this empty strange smell. I don't think my GE holes were big enough, or I used the wrong micropore tape to seal them. Hope you've had some luck!! :)

@GreenWitch1 3 жыл бұрын

@@RealBradMiller I’ve had a lot of contamination not having a clean room, but I’ll persist. I cut the top corner off & used micropore tape to cover it. Make sure you’re using paper tape.

@remingtonfrog3170 10 ай бұрын

Sounds like me right now . 😅How’s it going? Been 2 years.🤞🏻

@GreenWitch1 10 ай бұрын

@@remingtonfrog3170 It didn’t work out so well for me. Mold was a huge issue, so after spending hundreds of dollars, I gave up 😟

@johnecobuilder274 8 ай бұрын

What is solid to solid transfer?

@Davidbwhitedesign 3 жыл бұрын

Soo.... was the needle actually needed then? Never used a syringe, but can they not eject liquid without the needle? Just curious!

@MotomotoChannel 3 жыл бұрын

No the needle is not necessary you can dispel liquid from a syringe without a needle.

@Wabuh-Wabuh 2 жыл бұрын

bro can i germinates spores directly in liquid culture?

@Smok3_Supreme 5 жыл бұрын

Good video man I still say that Paul Stamets fermented mycelium culture technique is the most effect transfer tek I have ever studied. True liquid culture manufacturing requires expensive lab equipment that most of us can’t afford. As long as you develop a good scientific method for sterilization has down grain to grain transfers are the pinnacle of mushroom growing for any style of grow

@TheQueenOfDreams 3 ай бұрын

I hope you are still able to read all these comments, because I could use some help! At 12:40, you are discussing why you don’t prefer using LC commercially, and mention the high contam rate once the GS hits the high nutrients in the master’s mix. This has been my experience consistently after dozens of attempts, with a variety of manure loving LCs (I’ve had better luck with hard wood lovers.) I was only pressure sterilizing for 90 minutes, though, and wonder if that could be why? I’ve pressure canned food for decades and have never gone over 90 minutes at 15 psi, so I figured that was good, but maybe not? Or should I try a less nutrient rich substrate mix, perhaps? Thoughts much appreciated! (I binge watch your content periodically, I’ve learned a lot from you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!)