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@sergutiov5 жыл бұрын
Fender can you interchange bridge? For example if I have a 6 screw vintage bridge can I put on a 2 point tremolo like the first one?
@MrRice010 Жыл бұрын
i never knew phil anselmo worked for fender
@ethanm70618 ай бұрын
Vibrato, not Tremolo
@alexlaurence5 жыл бұрын
Without this video, I would have never have been able to complete my guitar project. It is literally the only video out there on 2 post bridge installation
@thecentralscrutinizerr3 ай бұрын
I.Q. < Shoe Size
@Fendermanpaul18 күн бұрын
Thank god, a clear instruction on the bridge screws for a vintage vibrato bridge.
@kevg1869 Жыл бұрын
I never in my right mind considered working on any of my guitars. But I now believe I could actually do something like this and have it come out good. This might be a new phase of my life. Thank you.
@daviddr2d26 ай бұрын
The only video I could find explaining how to set up the original 6 screw tremolo bridge on a strat from start to finish. Thank you for explaining clearly. It's great to know that.
@Thomas-bb5et3 жыл бұрын
When using 3 springs, they should all be parallel, otherwise there is less tension on the middle spring compared to the outside springs. You can angle the springs if you only use 2 of them.
@heyjarrod Жыл бұрын
What’s wrong with that?
@EatYourOwnBacon Жыл бұрын
Are you trying to tell the guy who works in fender research and development, that he’s wrong?
@EatYourOwnBacon Жыл бұрын
@@xcx8646 im sure your well respected tech in your area is much smarter and has more experience with fender products that the guy who works in FENDER RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Learn to set up your own guitars, then you'll realize that with your own experimentation, spring angle has no difference on tension because its the tension is the same because its STILL the opposite of whatever string pull is. When you do your own setups and work, you notice things.
@EatYourOwnBacon Жыл бұрын
@@xcx8646 its not received wisdom, its experienced wisdom of working on guitars for 20 years. My own and others. All different makes and models and tremolo systems. I've tested straight springs vs angled springs probably a hundred times on traditional tremolos and locking systems. There's no difference in feel, flutter, or stability. An easy test is to set up a tremolo with angled springs, and get it to pitch, then adjust the springs to be straight. it may slightly go out of tune- and when you get it back in tune, guess what? Its the same tension as before, because that's what it requires to counteract the string tension. It doesnt take an engineering PHD to know the newtons third law. The OP is saying his tech knows more about a fender product and setup than the actual fender employee in fenders research and development department knows, not to mention 70 years of fenders R&D department has studied since the beginning of the stratocaster. Tension is tension. a spring is a spring. it doesnt change what it does based on a 25 degree angle because its still pulling in a straight line
@Philter-Coffee11 ай бұрын
Yeah angled springs means the outermost 2 have less tension than the middle spring, but so long as the claw is adjusted so that all three are under tension you are all good. Nowhere does it say that all three need to be under equal tension, and engineering wise it makes sense to have them angled. Increased tension on the outermost springs works at centering the block by providing a lateral force as well as the normal rearward force. In short, it helps equalise the load on the bridge posts, rather than one taking more load than the other, thereby reducing wear and increasing consistency (and by extension, tuning stability). I have qualifications in applied science, physics, math, and experience in engineering. That is to say I'm qualified enough to say that angled springs makes more sense than straight springs.
@rjake614 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of Fender 6 screw tremolos. The combination of metals that they are using is SPOT ON as far as tone, IMO. But, please Fender, work on the TOP PLATE. It’s always warped, and doesn’t lay flat. My EJ Strat had the plate to block mounting holes misaligned, besides being warped. I also had an American Standard two post that was warped. A couple of tests will tell you. 1)Take the top plate off, lay it on a flat surface, and check for rocking. 2)With the bridge assembled, put it on a flat surface on the front edge of plate and block, check for rocking. If it isn’t close to true, it will never stay in tune.
@Beholderguitars Жыл бұрын
This is excellent, thank you. I appreciate you walking us through both the traditional tremolo (which I am installing today) and the two post one.
@fender Жыл бұрын
We strive to make this page a resource for all musicians.. 🎶 Glad we could help!
@paulgould67309 жыл бұрын
would have been helpful to show how to fit post holes
@FelixIsMyName9 жыл бұрын
Very helpful with the 2 point tremolo. Thank you for making the video
@nickhlawka707310 ай бұрын
It seems like a good idea to put some painters tape on the body to help keep from scratching, especially for a beginner. 3M blue tape would be good.
@vandamme2113 жыл бұрын
Top and lower strings have different tension/thickness so the screws have to be unevenly screwed into the body for the equal tension. Lower string side has to have higher tension.
@Trials-and-Tribulations9 жыл бұрын
The wax tip works great I'm redoing my 1993 Fender mexi with vintage bridge. .
@AdamThomasMusic11 жыл бұрын
Normally there are only 5 maximum. And usually the main reason for using more springs is because of the string gauge you use. For example people who use 9 gauge use 3 springs, where as people who use 11 gauge tend to use all 5 or sometimes 4. Having more springs counteracts the tension of thicker strings :)
@anthonykalcic11 жыл бұрын
The only Strat I ever played that was adjusted correctly that I didn't have to mess around with was a Fender Deluxe Players Strat made in Mexico. Between the videos and taking measurements off of that guitar I developed my own method. Now I am adjusting my fleet of CV50 Squiers. I have 99 Jeff Beck with thick neck and Lace pickups. I want to sell.
@raffi9810 жыл бұрын
why not design a tremolo with 5 screws instead of 6, so that they can fall in between the strings, not under...
@subarashizeo58157 жыл бұрын
raffi98 i think it affects the tone not quiet sure
@nickfanzo6 жыл бұрын
Lol no
@GuilhermeMaia1005 жыл бұрын
I'm sure there is a reason but don't know what is it.
@martintobias63195 жыл бұрын
thats a great idea & a good invention product for U lol
@oneminutefixed50035 жыл бұрын
Because Fender stays true to its origins and has more or less kept true to the original engineering. 6 point vintage tremolo sells
@Asherr63 жыл бұрын
Sienna sunburst is a beautiful finish
@nelsonrodriguez26462 жыл бұрын
Could include the drill bit size needs to pilot the holes for both contemporary and vintage tremolo?
@davidwilkerson45968 жыл бұрын
what if you don't have the pre-threaded bridge post inserts how do you install those?
@Casey_J968 жыл бұрын
You'd have to drill the holes and put the inserts in a lot like you would on a hard tail like a les Paul. They can be pretty fought to put but you've got to be careful not to chip your finish.
@alexlaurence5 жыл бұрын
Drill around 8-10mm holes (10mm and bit of glue did it for me). Plop the threaded inserts in, and then screw in the posts.
@isawlindsey5 жыл бұрын
What about the "Two Point Fulcrum" Setup? When you block the trem and it's laying on the body, how do you set the two points?
@dennisdewinter19972 жыл бұрын
This was a super helpful video. Thank you!
@ti-x-eira97092 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@dirkbooth769211 жыл бұрын
Teflon tape works great for a loose tremolo arm.wrap it around the threads on the arm then screw it back in.that should tighten it up! : )
@LuciFernato7 жыл бұрын
Dirk Booth or put a little spring in the hole beneath the arm
@nickfanzo6 жыл бұрын
They sell small springs for this and they come with the guitar...hence the tape over the hole
@rogeriogamaarquiteturaefoto6 ай бұрын
os parafusos, em ponte 2 pivos, tem q ficar sempre paralelos ao corpo da guita?ou pode afrouxar um pouco mais a mola q fica na corda 6?
@monopolit58906 күн бұрын
Вваааауууу дякую Вам за відео!!!!
@tolvajakos4 жыл бұрын
just what i needed. thank you
@cerclesvicieux4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting and you made it look very easy. Can you do a video on installing the bridge/trem on the Jeff Beck Signature model. I have a feeling I am going to have to replace mine. Thanks again.
@victorbennett55703 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thank you.
@zzHackedTutorialzz10 жыл бұрын
Is there any way for my to convert my 6 point bridge to a 2 point one? I heard that the 2 point bridge has more stable tuning.
@0987slipknot9 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have this guy job great video really helpful
@MrAllengreg6 жыл бұрын
Very useful video, thanks.
@paraescucharrap8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video!
@corypeltier95763 жыл бұрын
Is there a word for the cavity in the back for where the springs go? Is it called a bridge cavity?
@davidromeroosses41316 жыл бұрын
Whats the difference between a MIM and an American Strat bridge block? Mine is not so thick and Im worried it could be a Squier one.
@LightStrikerQc Жыл бұрын
How do you drill those claw holes? I got a body without any screw holes, and those two on the back are bugging me.
@clam99204 жыл бұрын
Stratocaster body on Mexican and American models have 46mm,but on squier bullet it have 42mm. So did this tremolo feeds in squier?
@joeferris50862 жыл бұрын
I have an old Kaman GTX33 with a broken neck. I want to replace the neck but the body was made for a floyd rose type bridge - and I'd like to put a fender style tremelo on it instead. Is this even possible? It looks to me as though the hole is about the same size, it just has that back area for the allen wrench adjustments behind the floyd rose saddles. Shouldnt be a problem beyond asthetics though right?
@cedricguitars82063 жыл бұрын
👍 nice explained pretty well 😄 i wonder why there's a ground wire in it?
@nickfanzo6 жыл бұрын
Angled springs make no sense. Leo's fenders came with FIVE springs.
@MortFantome8 жыл бұрын
gotta ask, which kind of bridges are the easiest to convert into the fender tremolo bridge (or any traditional bridge of that type)
@ezjames94163 жыл бұрын
Why do you put the two outer springs on an angle?
@riffdigger21332 жыл бұрын
6:50 Wrong! Yes, the STRINGS ARE ( 6:54 ) “pretty tight” on the 2nd install variation. Really tight. I ignored your technique, hooked the 3 springs end-brick first and the tension was extreme, so I used a large flat, wood chisel tool to press the claw, close into the range of the wood, while holding that steady, I then had a friend insert the 2 wood screws thru the claw and he screwed IN the screws slowly until I I could pull back my pressure with the chisel. THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY. After several attempts as this video used, there was no way that I could get the tight springs even CLOSE to the claw, otherwise. Hope this helps.
@brandon_white24226 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a Stevie Ray Vaughan bridge lefty tremolo bridge which is vintage 6 screws but I don't have a vintage stat body what can I do to install it
@TheRiveroad11 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me the advantage of having all six springs setup in the bridge rather than three ? Really curious if there is a tonal difference. Thank you ! I'm guessing that there might be more twang ? I'm probably wrong but still curious.
@bobbyDD3 жыл бұрын
there is no tonal difference, the bridge just has more spring tension so to float it you would need to loosen the claw a ton. if you were to lock the bridge to the body, you might notice more resonance through the body and possibly more sustain but no tonal difference will be heard through the amp other than the possibility of more sustain.
@justinwolf1484 жыл бұрын
My springs won't stretch from the claw to the bridge inserts . Plz help
@paulgillen77488 жыл бұрын
Hi guys look like I need to replace the skunk back on my strat, it has become loose, glues has gone I think - any help thanks
@noobpower968 жыл бұрын
Glue it back in. Give it to a luthier or get a new neck.
@TheMostwanted57 жыл бұрын
I'm with Mantis, the whole point of a strat is that you can easily replace a neck and it seems this would be an expensive swap (although don't quote me on that because I'm no Luthier) so you might as well get a replacement neck.
@Franklinjohn6709 Жыл бұрын
My Fender body did NOT have the stud bushings installed. Now I'm stuck because they won't go in.
@_OCG_3 жыл бұрын
but what if I want one of those bridges on my fender strat that doesn't have the right body or any holes?
@christopherbako3 жыл бұрын
Was this done in reverse??
@electricritual41977 жыл бұрын
My Strat has the 6 screws vintage tremolo. The screws are just poking through into the tremolo cavity. I'm guessing this is normal but not a 100% percent sure.
@fourscoreyew82665 жыл бұрын
I know this videos really old but I couldn’t find this answer anywhere my guitar has a cable coming from the body of the guitar into the back of the bridge I just broke my bridge because I was using a whammy bar to hard and it busted it so what do I do about the cable?
@bobbyDD3 жыл бұрын
the cable is a grounding wire. ever notice how sometimes your pickups are noisy until you touch the strings? that is your hand grounding the pickups. if that cable has snapped from the solder joint on the claw of the bridge, your guitar will be very noisy when plugged into an amp. I would highly recommend resoldering that onto the back of the new bridges claw or bring it to a local shop and have them install the new bridge and resolder it for you.
@andreacaccese11 жыл бұрын
This might be dumb but, if you want to hardtail a trem bridge, wouldn't it work by putting a screw where the tremolo arm hole should be?
@robertwallace72139 жыл бұрын
How about a video on installing a vintage strat bridge??..
@rileysmith34228 жыл бұрын
he did it in the video
@emman79483 жыл бұрын
what kind of wires, i can use for my ground wire?
@pluecher2203 жыл бұрын
You can use basically any wire, normally it's a resin or cloth shielded single wire which you have to solder to the claw and to the ground of your electronics.
@akmt1236 жыл бұрын
Tried Google...no luck...any Link to see Type of all Bridges? For Fender, Epiphone etc.
@billyclub5610 жыл бұрын
5 springs!! Clamp it down tight!! Not enough Hard Tails out there
@Deregise9 жыл бұрын
I got the vintage style tremolo bridge, whats the wire on the back on the where the springs are?
@Mr.Cynical929 жыл бұрын
+Deregise its a ground wire that goes to the electronics.
@magnuslillelund78338 жыл бұрын
It's the ground wire
@SalmonFume8 жыл бұрын
+Deregise It's the grounding wire. Gets soldered on the back of the guitar, on the plate where the springs hang on to.
@therichardchannel7 жыл бұрын
SalmonFume what's the purpose of it?
@SalmonFume7 жыл бұрын
It goes to the spring wire because it's attached to the bridge, which is attached to the strings, which are touched by you, grounding the current, so that you don't get an ungrounded (and potentially dangerous) circuit. It also stops a lot of humming, which is due to the buildup of that electricity in the pickups. Ever notice that when you're playing on single coils and you take both hands off the metal on the guitar, the buzzing gets louder? That's because it's ungrounded.
@anupjampala11 жыл бұрын
My Guitar body came without the holes in the Trem Claw. How to drill holes into it? Can I use a dentist's drillling machine as the normal drilling machine doesn't go inside? I'm so scared to hit it with a hammer as it might damage the Body...
@RiChArDfatejn6 жыл бұрын
What’s the size of that screw that goes through the body of the strat
@Avg-sd3ju3 жыл бұрын
Can I install this on another guitar like an Ibanez?
@contact1araya5 жыл бұрын
I have a 1994 40th aniversary stratocaster, the saddles are mounted with the screw on the side not the center, I bought roller saddles that are mounted with the screw on the center, what do you recommend, changing the bridge plate for one that can fit the saddles with the screw hole on the center?
@victorramsey55755 жыл бұрын
No, use the originals. Thats a USA strat for Gods sake! Or simply get roller saddles with "offest" adjustment. Easy Peasy
@skylineXpert10 жыл бұрын
i like the vintage trem. but my guitar shop guy reccommended a floyd bridge for moi. well it was a both ways but bad choice. i can play hendrix all day and dont get out of tune but. string change isnt easy
@harmonicseries65824 жыл бұрын
Why is the guy on the right in the video at all?
@BadBoy-mv8lz Жыл бұрын
Hello, my new American standard Stratocaster 2015 with two pivot screws bridge seems to have the bridge no parallel to the body..the shop put 10 high E gauge string and before it was 9. Now the treble side seems to be lower and in fact the sound of e b g is not beautiful( I had also a little G buzz solved with loosing truss-rod and getting higher saddle). IM scared; till now my classic vibe 50 squier Stratocaster sounds and plays better with more sparkle in 2 e 4 positions , and here in Italy costs 400 euro instead of American standard is 1600 euro. The American strat has the fat hot 50 pickup and they are very hot and powerful and the fender specs of pick up height should be change for them( not 2.4 mm bass and 2mm treble..but it needs to definitely lower the height ).this being said , according to you , should I work on the 2 lateral pivot screws to put the bridge parallel and should I raise a bit the bridge screw or should I work with springs opening the back of the guitar? Thanks
@zeon866 жыл бұрын
I have a Affinity Strat which is 6 screws with chrome springs, the springs are very very tight, I don't need any wood piece to block the tremolo. Just 3 springs that make me barely push down the bar, why choose these hard springs?
@vintovkasnipera6 жыл бұрын
It's a vintage thing perhaps. They want to keep it tight so that it does not easily turn into a dive bomb.
@randomstranger80603 жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me where that one string is supposed to go? It’s not a string, I think it’s a black wire. I’m confused please help.
@lucaguitarplayer6 жыл бұрын
how much centimeters are distant the two screws on the back?
@miquelangel58835 жыл бұрын
Should the bridge tilt once the strings are tight? Mine is tilted all the time... Is that ok or is it a malfunction?
@victorramsey55755 жыл бұрын
Try tightening the trem claw screws a bit. Do small even amounts on each one and keep checking the bridge after each round of tightening.
@miquelangel58835 жыл бұрын
Thanks! @@victorramsey5575
@andreacaccese11 жыл бұрын
thanks for the tip :)
@AdrianClement5 жыл бұрын
I set up my vintage trem to float and I achieved the desired intervals with correct intonation and action. It is performing in both directions, pulling up and pushing down. My question; is it expected to have a high gap between deck and bridge? Mine appears very wide. Should I be concerned? If so does it mean that I need to approach my setup differently? My action and intonation was set prior to adjusting the claw. Not to mention my springs are in a V formation, should I parallel them instead? My strat is not staying in tune. Thank you sir in advance. Hope to hear back
@NorbertNagyNorc5 жыл бұрын
-Check Darrell Braun videos -decrease friction at nut (graphite), screws, string trees (teflon spray), springs-trem claw&block (oil/grease) -lock string between its own turns on tuning peghead -enjoy :)
@AdrianClement5 жыл бұрын
Norbert Nagy Thank you for replying. Darrel Braun’s video was exactly the one I used to learn to do this. I went back in and adjusted the saddles heights, thus the action and was able to greatly reduce the gap I spoke of. It’s working great! Staying in tune.
@LuxeXx8 жыл бұрын
I have no ground wire attached to the claw. Do I really need it? Can I install one later without removing the claw if need be?
@juanmendoza29937 жыл бұрын
If You Dont Get Annoyed By The Super Hum Sound
@philmoseley22597 жыл бұрын
Can anyone please explain why those claw screws are so extremely long? Seems super overkill. Also, does anyone know where I can get those posts and inserts please? Is there a special name for them? Thanks
@rickyrod47297 жыл бұрын
Phil Moseley I'm guessing those strings have to be long so that when you use the tremolo they won't move, helping to hold the tuning.they prolly don't need to be as long as they are but overkill would be wise in this case.
@anthonykalcic11 жыл бұрын
I think it is Aged Cherry Burst.
@jimmyl816011 жыл бұрын
i have a small problem with my 62' reissue. the tremolo arm hole is getting lose. how can i fix this
@guitarisfun70555 жыл бұрын
Spin it
@jimsnorgleson3 жыл бұрын
My tremolo hits the body when you release it making a knock sound do I need more spring tension?
@bobbyDD3 жыл бұрын
the arm itself or the trem block? if it is the block making a knocking sound you either need to tighten the post screws or release some spring tension by loosening the claw screws
@jimsnorgleson3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbyDD The bridge base plate hits the body, I have had 2 other strats and did not notice this before.
@SLHXavier7 жыл бұрын
Hi! I don't have the wire for the claw! What should I do as I can't find the wire online that goes with the bridge...
@emptychair39327 жыл бұрын
literally any scrap wire will work
@SLHXavier7 жыл бұрын
You replied a bit late. I managed to get some ground wire and that worked perfectly!
@emptychair39327 жыл бұрын
Xavier glad it worked out, but you didn't have to get wire specifically for that purpose, you can use any discarded wire and solder it on the trem claw I replied mostly for others who scroll past with the same question, yknow?
@timerunner98442 жыл бұрын
Who knew Freddie Roach could install tremolos!?
@coltonfrausell904711 жыл бұрын
Its called sienna sunburst
@henryparker2987 Жыл бұрын
Vous laissez les poussières et résidus de bois en place, sur la guitare et le plan de travail... C'est ça la qualité Fender?
@just_julian Жыл бұрын
is that gold?
@samuelgutierrez35047 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what whammy bar fits into a squire affinity strat?
@alanwingate75085 жыл бұрын
Yes a 5mm screw thread bar Vintage are 6mm
@joseceraia3 жыл бұрын
And while you are screwing the first clamp srew, the second one is UNDER de guitar body and more then probable this crews is damaging the body. Lesson: Always watch out if there is nothing under the guitar body.
@dankeys773811 жыл бұрын
What is this colors name?
@spedia42177 жыл бұрын
What does the ground wire do?
@soulvaccination86795 жыл бұрын
It protects your guitar in case you drop it on the ground.
@KeaHM5 жыл бұрын
It reduces the noise when you touch any metalic part on your guitar
@isaidnomorememesplease39203 жыл бұрын
the spring is hard to pull as hell
@anthonykalcic11 жыл бұрын
Sadly most Strats leave assembly with the tremolo screwed down and disfunctioal.
@insertanynameyouwant53116 жыл бұрын
the guy from the right looks like an intelligent version of Phil Anselmo
@Ty13507 жыл бұрын
Didn't realize you had to strip down the whole instrument lmao
@julekrt4 жыл бұрын
i did not expect to see phil anselmo here
@guitarworship8125 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the first bridge?
@nehemiahzo_4 жыл бұрын
It’s just a standard fender trem system
@gaffeltroll4 жыл бұрын
Why not put a towel etc underneath when screwing? But no, it's better to run your nails in varnish, isn't it?
@MrStermon11 жыл бұрын
i have this guitare from cort...
@mpojr Жыл бұрын
if you dont have any wax a bar of soap works good on the screws
@cmiddleton987211 жыл бұрын
You want to leave another comment? I'm sure five novels in the seven comments that exist isn't enough.
@SeanDS893 жыл бұрын
3:15
@6StringEraser6 жыл бұрын
1:32 What do you mean, "buy the body?" You can buy a Fender in parts!?
@randomguymaniac6 жыл бұрын
Luke Cloutier yes you can by fender in parts in their website
@dll57654 жыл бұрын
💛11.16 T: 12:43P.
@nehemiahzo_4 жыл бұрын
What
@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_20405 жыл бұрын
How replace 6 screw vintage bridge with 2 screw one? Anyone?
@martintobias63195 жыл бұрын
I have 2 screws they worn out quick & shifts left to right & goes out of tune ez when dive bombing... for.. me better off w/ 6 screws.... i want to convert mine to 6 ... but i got d 2014 50th anniversary so i dont want to change it... will loose value...
@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_20405 жыл бұрын
@@martintobias6319 Understood. Good tip. That settles things for me then, will keep my 6 screw bridge.
@martintobias63195 жыл бұрын
Kris watch me Bigsby tuning issues solved.... i got a Tele & Lespaul i develope something to keep D Bigsby finaly in tune... patent product coming soon... Thanks Man....
@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_20405 жыл бұрын
@@martintobias6319 Hopefully it works out well for you, them big guitar makers are butt lazy improving stuff that sells anyway. For this very reason I'm replacing all hardware on my 1996 Strat with Wilkinson items. Fender is clueless about tremolos, the trem arm wobble is such an easy fix, but no, Fender couldn't be bothered, because meh, they will buy our guitars regardless. Leo himself didn't have this philosophy and as we can see from G & L guitars he went on improving his tremolo systems, which look so different from his original 1950s ones. Fender company needs to put much more effort and heart into their instruments. The only reason people are buying their guitars is that Fender instruments are associated with so many guitar playing legends, so people go for them for that very reason. But if one doesn't care about what sticker says on their headstock - then there are many Strats by other makers, that look and play much better than their big Fender relative.
@stephenviana2077 Жыл бұрын
Nice but no holes anywhere on new body.Thanks anyway
@zmartkooky244 Жыл бұрын
Ugh at the claw screws going directly into wood! Horrible structural design flaw! Particularly if there is going to be tension, AND worse: vibration. There is way too much pressure on the screw threads pushing against wood that will damage the wood and is a very weak support joint. There should be screw inserts in there, and probably more than two contact points.