How to Install a Patio Drainage System

How to Install a Patio Drainage System | Ask This Old House

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In this video, This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner solve a cold spot in their home (the bathroom) radiant floor heating and an advanced heat exchanger.
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When a homeowner upgraded his old boiler to a new, combi system that worked with his heat pumps, he noticed he just could get his bathroom to warm up. With the idea to tap into his boiler’s water supply to install radiant floor heating in mind, the homeowner called the team at Ask This Old House for help, and Richard Trethewey answered.
Where to find it?
Richard mounts the heat exchanger [homedepot.sjv.io/XYeaBX] by securing it with screws [homedepot.sjv.io/vNaKdv]. Then, using a pipe cutter [homedepot.sjv.io/KjN65N], he cuts to allow room for a T-fitting [homedepot.sjv.io/LXNL6a]. Richard uses compression connections [homedepot.sjv.io/DKN6oy] and push-to-connect fittings [homedepot.sjv.io/GmNyWE] to run the piping from the T-fitting supply and return of the heat exchanger.
Richard mounts the manifold by securing it to the plywood with screws. He then uses a pipe cutter to cut and connect the piping from the supply and return of the heat exchanger into the supply and return lines on the manifold.
Richard mounts the radiant heat transfer plates [homedepot.sjv.io/NkqxLO] to the underside of the subfloor using screws. The homeowner snaps the PEX piping [homedepot.sjv.io/75N6P3] into the mounted channel plates up and down the joists for the length of the room and then packs fiberglass insulation [homedepot.sjv.io/baoBMB] on top of the piping to ensure that all the heat generated by the radiant goes up towards the bathroom.
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Materials:
T-fittings (solderless) [homedepot.sjv.io/LXNL6a]
Compression connections [homedepot.sjv.io/DKN6oy]
Push-to-connect fittings [homedepot.sjv.io/GmNyWE]
Transfer plates [homedepot.sjv.io/NkqxLO]
PEX pipe [homedepot.sjv.io/75N6P3]
A heat exchanger with pumps [homedepot.sjv.io/XYeaBX]
Screws [homedepot.sjv.io/vNaKdv]
A variety of check valves [homedepot.sjv.io/rQPKmG]
Pressure relief valves [homedepot.sjv.io/g1Enx5]
Expansion tank [homedepot.sjv.io/zNVKom]
Fiberglass insulation [homedepot.sjv.io/baoBMB]
Tools:
Power drill [homedepot.sjv.io/R50Wna]
Propress for solderless connections [homedepot.sjv.io/KjN6Ma]
Oscillating tool [homedepot.sjv.io/g1LKDB]
Rubber mallet [homedepot.sjv.io/nLVg7a]
PEX cutter [homedepot.sjv.io/KjN65N]
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@garthbutton699 Ай бұрын

I think TOH needs to revisit this project🤗😎🤗😎

@Andrico77 Ай бұрын

I’m a huge fan of this show for years!! When I watched this segment on PBS last week was very disappointed on how this was executed on all levels.

@gilbes1139 Ай бұрын

Downspout to perforated pipe seems like a mistake. The perforated pipe is going to collect water and distribute it next to the foundation (like a septic drain field). I think a better solution would be to keep the downspout water in a solid pipe in that rock filled trench, and add a second perforated pipe to increase the capacity of the trench to collect other surface water.

@ElectricGears Ай бұрын

A single 3/4" weep hole for a downspout and nothing to address what happens to the leaves that will eventually make their way into that pipe? I can understand not wanting a downspout-sized hole in the nice rock wall, but the at least put in a couple more smaller ones. There should also be a ground box (preferably a small square one) secured and caulked up against the inside face of the wall. That will give easy future access to make sure those weep holes can be cleared.

@thomassears4920 Ай бұрын

He should've carried that pipe all the way through the wall

@stevemullin7472 Ай бұрын

nailed it. this is terrible.

@clownhands Ай бұрын

This is like if I had a home improvement channel

@effenfish661 Ай бұрын

french drain man would have a stroke if he saw this, sean at gate city would be speechless, and even apple drains would just shake his head.

@RonFarberNewman Ай бұрын

I was thinking that too. @frenchdrainman

@kman4223 Ай бұрын

If you know, you know

@LetsGoBrandon-FJB Ай бұрын

apple drains is a joke.

@CertifiedMailSignatureRequired 29 күн бұрын

good morning, Chuck here with (GASP) .... um apple... drisnm.cds,fafdsnI (chuck excuses himself)

@LaFox23 23 күн бұрын

FDM would have a stroke whenever someone isn’t using his products.

@oldtwinsna8347 Ай бұрын

That accordion style downspout will eventually crack in a couple years at best, plus dirt gets lodged in between the folds making it look awful. Should've used elbows with normal downspout.

@yogiberra808 Ай бұрын

Is that drain hole that he drilled in the rock big enough? Seems like it should be at least as big as the downspout.

@TjStammen Ай бұрын

@@Navy1977yep that is never going to work

@ginacirelli1581 Ай бұрын

I guess unless you're expecting a tidal wave the hole should be big enough. I'm just concerned about where that water is going on the other side of the wall. I would have done what I did to my house -- connect all the downspouts to pipe daylighting out near the road.

@TjStammen Ай бұрын

@@ginacirelli1581 yes I agree. My only concern would be since the hole doesn’t get that much water out it would fill up the trench and overtime. It would crack that wall.

@nathanr5825 Ай бұрын

The entire job is trash. Its an entertainment company and not a home improvement company

@holymackerel Ай бұрын

What keeps the downspout and weep hole from clogging with leaves and junk?

@GoodwillCriminalsOfDallas Ай бұрын

What they neglected to tell you was that the initial hole drilled through the rock wall was only a pilot hole. I slowed down the video and they briefly showed the actual hole drilled after that was much larger. In an ideal world, the gutters would have screens on them but most screens folks put on are DIY or from Home Depot. they are usually cheap and do not last very long and end up allowing debris in anyway. No screen can stop the influx of granules from a composition roof unless you have the ones that have water tension edges on them. We never see the top of the gutters so we do not know what she has.

@jasonbare3472 Ай бұрын

Human hands it's called maintenance

@GoodwillCriminalsOfDallas Ай бұрын

Doing the right type of installation in the first place!!

@LaFox23 23 күн бұрын

Hopes and dreams

@roger4880 Ай бұрын

In the UK we call this, cowboy builders. Do the job badly and never return for fear of damage

@bayareachillin Ай бұрын

Running a downspout into a perforated drain is going to fail. Plus all the other reasons this was an amateur job and not professionally done. Shame on TOH for doing this.

@JJ-to6qu Ай бұрын

Weeping water right next to the foundation using perforated pipe? No, get that water away from the building!

@ddc163264 Ай бұрын

This was a REALLY bad "fix". If the debris from the gutters goes down the pipe it's going to clog. Plus the weep hole will freeze in winter and crack that wall, requiring a major repair job later. Plus as the hole is MUCH slammer than the rest of the pipes the back pressure will back-fill the area with water anyway, as well as there was no accounting for what happens to where the water was redirected to on the side of the house.

@user-ty2uz4gb7v Ай бұрын

The accordion connector will rot and crack very soon. Just use PVC there are 90s made just to transition from a 3 or 4 inch gutter

@Out-to-Pastor Ай бұрын

Currently working on building a deck and water management hits close. Our house is on a hill so rain water builds up against the house. Figuring out the layout as I type this.

@arth.4196 Ай бұрын

You can rent a large enough drill and drill bit to go through the thick rock. ?

@LaFox23 23 күн бұрын

You would think a mason would have such tools 🤔

@general4str Ай бұрын

Pulled the wrong guy for the job. This should have been a gutter job to eliminate that down spout and send all the water to the next downspout that is at that corner of the house. Change the gutter to a 6-inch and ensure the slope goes all the way to the corner of the house. No digging, drilling through walls, or any of that necessary.

@RichBshine1972 Ай бұрын

Just confused why corrigated pipe was not used from the downspout to the weep hole

@ovidiuciuparu6421 Ай бұрын

4:31 it was a great question! You avoided the answer! You should had a smooth pipe in there and not a corrugated one! That would allow the water to drain easier in the winter. And to answer the question… that will freeze!

@WoogieboogieOG Ай бұрын

FDM crying watching this. 😂

@TjStammen Ай бұрын

@@Navy1977 French drain man check his channel out he posts all about drainage

@keithhepworth4934 Ай бұрын

Iron Rake and the Weep Holes was the name of my band in college.

@Its_crazyadamla Ай бұрын

And all that will be $7,000

@Mike_Greentea Ай бұрын

Excellent work 👍

@EdwardGrangerwebdev Ай бұрын

@GCFD will not be happy with this

@davidshields7981 Ай бұрын

Sean would lose his mind if he saw this job.

@jerichodesignbuild7148 Ай бұрын

Why anyone uses the elephant trunk is beyond me.

@durangodave Ай бұрын

good idea poor execution. He could have also drilled that hole without chipping the rock. Its a little thing but little things matter.

@John-qc8yy Ай бұрын

Wow Mark, stick to masonry projects please! A 2" screw into a downspout is a serious clog waiting to happen! They make special 1/2" screws for just this purpose. And that tiny weep hole is expected to handle the water volume from a 3" downspout! 😳 The whole project was poorly done and is just providing a lot of bad advice for people who don't know better. 😞

@aayotechnology Ай бұрын

But he’s a mason and he drilled the stone from the back. The front hole edge is now chipped to hell.

@TjStammen Ай бұрын

Absolutely horrible I’m just a kid and I know that all wrong. 1- when you connect that white flexible pod to the black corrugated pipe, all of that is going to leak. 2- you didn’t even drill a 1 inch hole for a 4 inch pipe. You should at least drill a 4 inch hole and feed the pipe through the wall. 3 - now that all of that water is coming out of that wall if it will even make it through it’s going to ruin the foundation on the other side as well.

@kbh95207 Ай бұрын

and that’s where Mike Holmes comes in to make it right 🥴

@SomeDudeQC 3 күн бұрын

@@kbh95207Mike Holmes literally endorsed some houses in Toronto that are all falling apart and isn't being responsible and fixing any of it.

@Agamerrobertjr Ай бұрын

cheap plastic extension do it properly and put it connected without that white plastic crap!

@Micah__ Ай бұрын

My stepdad did this but instead of using perforated pipe he used pvc pipe. I asked him when we were installing it “what if it freezes?” and “what about it getting clogged?” and his answer was “nah, that won’t happen”. So fast forward to cold weather, I noticed one morning that the now mangled downspout ripped off some of the siding because everything froze. I couldn’t help but to grin a little bit when I broke the news to him. Haha

@Kushert Ай бұрын

I've been a drainage contractor for over 30 years. Please don't ever do this at your house

@Kushert Ай бұрын

@Navy1977 For starters, I would have ran the downspout in a separate solid pipe from the perforated pipe for the French drain. So, each system is independent. In a flash flood you need the downspout pipe in a solid pipe getting the water away from the foundation. Then the French drain/perforated pipe will catch the surface and groundwater. Having both systems together will have everything back up at the downspout and foundation during a flash flood, and her basement is flooded too

@nathanr5825 Ай бұрын

That extension broke about 2 weeks after he put it on. Absolute trash

@aprev039 Ай бұрын

I’m very disappointed in this recommendation from TOH. Everything about this project is wrong.

@fredradon2484 Ай бұрын

All that water gushing into that stone wall???? Not sure that's a good idea.

@kevinhamblin951 Ай бұрын

Mark is the BEST !!!!!!!!!!😊

@LaFox23 23 күн бұрын

This is terrible, and I mean terrible. @thisoldhouse really missed the mark with this one. They should have had Richard Trethewey do this job instead of the stone mason. That accordion elbow will clog up with leaves and shingle gravel, the corrugated pipe doesn’t even look like it has enough slope to it, and the tiny little hole won’t ever let out enough water to keep that pipe from backing up in a storm. Oh, and they used perforated pipe, why? Are you trying to put water back at the foundation? This looks as if a chuck in a truck did the job. If I took on this job, I would be using solid PVC. I would come out of the downspout with an actual elbow, use SOLID pipe with a 1% slope all the way to the wall, and actually drill a hole through the wall as big as the pipe. Heck I will add a catch basin wherever the low point of that patio is too. This is utterly disappointing. You guys totally scammed the homeowner. If this was ever installed in my property I would sue.

@arth.4196 Ай бұрын

Are you serious 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

@gregre052 Ай бұрын

I believe the man here but what WOULD I do?

@07slowbalt Ай бұрын

LMFAO this didnt solve a problem it created one. He drilled a 5/8" hole for a 4" downspout lol. That downspout is going to back up so fast and overflow everywhere its not even funny. Then he uses a 2" construction screw inside the spout wtf. If she didnt have gutter guards in place she better put them in right away. That will catch everything. To finish a terrible job out he uses a junk flex connector thats known to crack overtime. He blew her wall out too because he drilled the wrong way, complete rookie mistake. He should've got a core drill and ran the entire black pipe through the wall so that all that work isnt for nothing. Instead she will have a bigger water problem a block wall thats gonna freeze and crack.

@luckybestwash Ай бұрын

They didn't show the connection from the drain pipe to the weep hole. We have no idea what Mark did there. TOH always skips a vital step to leave viewers in the dark. Heaven forbid someone actually try this and save some money.

@aayotechnology Ай бұрын

@@luckybestwashI doubt they did anything at the weep hole. Not that it matters being way too small .

@LaFox23 23 күн бұрын

This isn’t the first time TOH screwed up. I remember an older episode when Roger was installing a small hose bib irrigation system for a homeowner. Dude only put the pipe about 3 inches into the ground, and the head coverage was terrible.

@BamBamBigelow.. Ай бұрын

Daniel Plainview: ‘Drainage’

@GoodwillCriminalsOfDallas Ай бұрын

That elbow he is putting in is utter garbage. Those pleats will dry rot and fail within a few months. The much better way is a PVC sleeve to elbow down to the gutter. It also begs another question...How do you clean out the new pipe section when it clogs with leaves? A box just behind the wall as a catch basin would have been a better idea. The water can still flow but debris will collect in there and can be removed as needed. I could not help but notice the long screw he put the new elbow into the old downspout. That is a very bad idea as sticks and leaves will start catching there and eventually, the downspout will back up. I thought TOH only used professionals. That is an utter amateur move. The gutter screws are only 1/4 long for a reason.

@jonathonpellegrini5725 Ай бұрын

Eat shirts

@Mr.PoopyDoobertPants Ай бұрын

Gutter guards are a thing.

@jej3451 Ай бұрын

Harsh but accurate

@GoodwillCriminalsOfDallas Ай бұрын

@@jonathonpellegrini5725 ?? That makes no sense...

@willsalaz Ай бұрын

What channel is your show on?

@davidharris2178 Ай бұрын

I’d make it traditional downspout into catch basin with solid pvc buried to carry the water away. The setup in this video isn’t going to work well. You should delete this video and rethink the fix.