How To Install a Swimming Pool Pump (Better)

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From www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pag... this long form detailed walkthrough of swimming pool pump installation tips, techniques and tips is sure to help you learn how to install pool pumps better! From fitting types such as street elbows, short radius 90 and long radius 90 (sweep elbow) to pipe selection (rigid versus flex PVC) to suction manifolds, valves and how to make sound threaded connections.
Even if you have no intention to install your own swimming pool pump it can be helpful for pool owners to learn about their equipment such that they can determine if it is installed correctly. Not all professional equipment installations are equal and nobody will ever care for your own pool as much as you will yourself. Knowledge is power in this regard and learning as much as you can about how to installing swimming pool pumps can only help you.
00:00 - Introduction to installing pool pumps (better)
00:45 - Tolerances for PVC pipe installations
02:04 - Common mistake with inlet pipe on pool pumps
03:43 - Pipe materials and fittings for installing pool pumps
04:31 - Rigid PVC pipes versus DWV pipe
05:43 - Flexible PVC pipe
07:01 - Polyethylene pipes (HDPE)
07:27 - PVC street 90 degree elbows
08:22 - PVC short radius 90 degree elbows
08:42 - PVC long radius 90 degree elbow (sweep elbow)
09:30 - Difference between pressure rated and non-pressure rated PVC fittings
10:50 - Connecting pipes to the pool pump inlet
12:20 - Making threaded connections to a pool pump
14:20 - High temperature threaded male adapters
15:50 - Thread sealant options for connecting to the pump
16:40 - Pipe dope as a thread sealant for pool equipment
17:50 - PTFE plumbers tape / teflon tape thread sealant
19:00 - How to wrap PTFE plumbers tape in the correct direction
19:57 - How tight to thread PVC pump connections
21:45 - Leaking threaded pump connections
22:58 - Options for primer and solvent cement for PVC connections
24:55 - ABS cement is the wrong choice for PVC connections
25:15 - Barbed pipe connections with hose clamps
26:25 - How to tighten hose clamps for pressure connections
28:00 - Pipe size for pool pump installations
33:05 - Transitioning between different pipe sizes
33:58 - Setting up a suction side manifold
35:18 - Valve options for pool equipment installations
40:02 - Designing your system installation for efficiency
41:30 - Maximum safe flow velocity for suction lines
42:20 - Importance of laminar water flow in pool systems
44:00 - Warranty for pool pump installations
46:30 - Upgrading your equipment installation to 2" pipe size
49:15 - Balancing flow between skimmers and main drains
51:05 - Making more room with tight pool equipment pad installations
52:35 - Importance of leaving space in between PVC fittings
54:40 - Pool pump pressure side connections
55:30 - CPVC solvent cement connections explained
59:43 - Things to avoid with pressure side pump connections
01:01:00 - Filter inlet height
01:01:55 - Waste bypass in between pump and cartridge filters
01:03:50 - Pool pump electrical connections
01:07:00 - Types of wires and box connectors for wiring pool pumps
01:08:55 - Bonding wire connections to pool pumps
01:09:40 - What is an equipotential bonding grid for a pool
01:10:42 - Wire terminations inside of the pool pump
01:11:45 - How to wrap a wire around a screw correctly
01:14:40 - L1, L2 and ground connections
01:15:20 - Bonding lug versus grounding lug on a pool pump
01:16:15 - Identifying a 115 volt electrical breaker versus a 230 volt breaker
01:18:40 - Reviewing information learned for installing pool pumps better
01:19:52 - How and where to start with a pool pump installation
01:22:00 - How to make the final PVC connection
01:24:45 - Conclusion and endorsement for www.SwimmingPoolSteve.com
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@robertmurphy8831 9 күн бұрын

Steve, you are amazing. About 4 years ago, we moved to a home in a very remote area of the mountains of east Tennessee. 30 minute drive to nearest town. 50,000 gallon in ground pool. We are about 1.5 hours from the nearest pool service company. Nearly impossible to get them to come all the way out to us. When they finally did come, the tech was stinking of alcohol on his first service call. Second service call, he demonstrated his lack of knowledge and experience when he told me the pool equipment did NOT need to be bonded. "Oh, don't worry about all that - GFI's are more than adequate". I decided it was not safe for my family to swim in a pool plumbed and wired by people I don't trust will do everything safely. So I started watching your videos (about 3 years ago) and replumbed everything - new pump, new filter, new heater, (and no 90 degree elbows!). You have taught me so many important lessons - from basic plumbing to critical life safety issues. I feel like I know you! Most importantly, nobody has drowned, been injured, become entrapped and/or suffered an electric shock when swimming in our pool -- all of which I attribute to YOU. PS, reading your life story on your website, learning all that you have gone through medically, etc, showed me a whole new side of you. I learned that you are so much more than some very serious guy on youtube called "Swimming Pool Steve". You are a brilliant and courageous man. And an inspirational human being to me. Peace, blessings, and endless thanks from the foothills of the Appalachian mountains.

@Swimmingpoolsteve 9 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words and incredible super thanks! Very much appreciated on this end!

@MeestairRick 11 күн бұрын

Great video! I'm a pool tech with 13 years experience. I watched your video to see if you were giving misinformation but you were spot on. Good job!

@kevindeuchars7045 11 ай бұрын

Retired teacher here from Lindsay, Ontario…you missed your calling in the education system! You’re exceedingly easy to listen to, Steve. This is exactly the video I needed for my new pump installation. Also, I appreciate you sharing the link for pool supplies that aren’t available in my area. I’m looking forward to watching more videos:)

@stephancrisci6144 10 ай бұрын

You are a natural born teacher! Well done, and very helpful.

@bigtimereacts 9 ай бұрын

This might be the best video I've ever seen in my 10 years of being on youtube. Great job! Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

@aubreyroche5080 Жыл бұрын

A pipe guy showed me many years ago how to Apply Teflon tape correctly, and even as a Master Electrician I have used the method always. Love to see it done right, with the correct result.

@ducksalot1 Жыл бұрын

Nice to see longer and more comprehensive videos!! Your decades of knowledge are very useful

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting.

@jimbob2810 Жыл бұрын

This is an awesome video for anybody who is interested in installing a pool pump. Thank you. Thank you very much.

@mayorb3366 Жыл бұрын

Those union adapters are great. Many newer pumps have unions on them, but for ones that don't these are very useful when servicing a pump. They allow you to disconnect the pump from the plumbing for much easier access. Also the point you made about equipment bought online is very important. Manufacturers know by serial numbers which ones were sold through wholesale/retail, and which were sold online. If there is an issue with the pump, if bought online people have little luck getting any kind of response regarding warrantee. I'd also like to make a friendly suggestion about adding time stamps for the different topics of the videos, especially the longer ones. Lots of good info here!

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

great suggestions and feedback, thank you

@shinaikouka 2 ай бұрын

I'm also quite fond of unions when working with pool plumbing. My setup originally had none, and when I switched out the sand filter, it took way too much work to do so due to uninterrupted pipe runs. Now, any device that can be removed has a union on an each inlet/outlet. When I found my filter was leaking to waste, I swapped my entire multi-port valve out because it wasn't that expensive. (I also bought the parts to refurbish the old one, so I'd have a spare.) Having those unions made it a breeze to disconnect everything.

@jamesortolano3983 11 ай бұрын

As always lots of great stuff on steves channel, this one being different . Cause his videos are usually 4/5 minute long clips. So glad i got the time to watch this informative video. Ive said it before nd ill say it again .. This is by far the best channel to watch for content, nd narrative pool information, im always learning something new here. Thankyou Steve for the time ,editing nd content we do appreciate 🙏all your efforts

@lennymiller7336 11 ай бұрын

Very informative but I installed my pump 4 years ago. Glad I did everything correct! I preferred to use long sweep elbows because I think they improve the flow.

@mr.breadNwater 6 ай бұрын

Great general tips, appreciated! I just had a Pentair Intelliflo3 installed by a large pool supply company. Their technician installed it with less than the 5x plumbing diameter (which would be 10") foe the inlet. I called Pentair directly as I read that MINIMUM requirement and they confirmed the warranty would be VOIDED due to the install. Pretty frustrating but I understand why the tech did what he did, limited to size of pad. Spoke with supply company, they said they would honor warranty if it ever came down to it, now to get it in writing.

@HaddyDaddy33 2 ай бұрын

This is amazing, and so helpful! Thank you!

@yvangelist Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot Steve. Your advices were used today as installed yet another pump for my in-gound pool. Things I improved over the last setup: - Better teflon tape technique - 12" inch long lead on the 2" PVC intake pipe with cpvc. - 3 port diverter valve with unions praher :-) It was almost cheaper than 2 union ball valves and I saved a T . - skimmer and drain are 1.5" in the diverter and output of diverter is 2" - clear pvc/cpvc glue and I used primer before. This time I took my time cleaned all the parts (removed prices stickers located on strategic place) Dry fitted all and arrange pipes and fittings to hide markings. Result, No a single leak. And that 2HP thing moves water like hell. Many thx and keep posting those videos.

@anthonymcinnis6588 Жыл бұрын

Coming back here for one quick comment. This video was very critical for me when I just installed my VS. I followed all of the advise.

@robertfincham5977 Ай бұрын

Thank for a great video have learn so much from it. The way the plumbing and the pump has been installed 20 years ago not very good flow like you have shown how it should be done. And as electrical is not right at all. So i will have a qualified Electrician to thoroughly check it. Many thanks, Robert.

@FENATECH Жыл бұрын

Great video with lots of info. Thank you for sharing. I have been learning alot from all of them. With regards to the EBC (Equal Potential Bonding Conductor) per the NEC in the US we are to use a #8 solid bare copper wire. It may not be insulated and may not be stranded.

@mikechris8967 9 ай бұрын

Best Gar Don Pool video I have ever seen, Steve, keep ‘‘em coming. Love you. Blessings 🙏

@landonthehandyman 4 ай бұрын

Great video. Helped me a lot on my first install

@BillNexus-xs1yv Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing your vast knowledge. This video is truly incredible!!!

@BobsPoolService Ай бұрын

Just watched the entire video and that electrical part can TOTALLY relate to not explaining more. Often I can tell by the questions someone asks they should absolutely NOT be doing it. We've seen it all, crimps on solid wire, wire going the wrong direction around screws, 1.5hp pumps plugged into 16 gauge extension cords WITH a plug in timer, romex ran through conduit, loose push on spade connectors and bonds where someone used a piece of 12 gauge electrical wire to extend it... also putting 2 bonds under the screw clamp on the pump to connect is also not code, you must use a split bolt connector (bug). Our company hired an electrician to work for us, learned so much from him it was unreal. Also if you read the NEC you actually CAN use a plug in cord on a pump but it has to be rated for outdoor and be sized correctly, under so many feet, etc, etc but rarely do I see an install done like that correctly. Really informative video all around Steve, I actually had one of our new techs watch this in between jobs while driving. It's unfortunate so many pumps are installed incorrectly, sometimes we violate the rules, prime example someone used a valve with two streets, the pipes coming up out of the ground are too close for anything else and it's solid cement poured right around them, customer just wants a new pump, sure I can explain that this isn't ideal but chance are they won't believe it (you know, it ran fine for 20 years) and hire someone else if I charge what it'd take to cut the cement, break it up and space the pipes better. With electric as pool guys we're really not supposed to reconfigure things either without a license electrician but when I know something is beyond wrong I'll opt to make it safer or suggest they call a licensed guy to correct it, a few customer do, most do not.

@randyo308 Жыл бұрын

I learned so much from this video. A ton of knowledge way past installing pool pump. I really like the presentation, experience and ablsoutely the best way to install a pool pump and WHY!

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am happy you found this content helpful

@DavidMosby Жыл бұрын

WOW, I think I know more than my pro now! Thanks!!!!

@flyboy9367 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your considerable knowledge. It's really helpful 👍

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

I am happy this content was useful for you

@DanielSuru Ай бұрын

Thanks for the vid

@easterneuropeantracksuit3312 Ай бұрын

Great video

@craigcastellana5967 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the excellent tutorial Steve. I may be setting up my equipment myself and letting my electrician do the needful connections to the box. Your web page was very informative getting me started and energized if I am unsuccessful getting someone else to do the installation. If so I’ll be reaching out to you, Cheers

@Swimmingpoolsteve 5 ай бұрын

Good luck!

@douglasstivanelli7201 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate it buddy👌👌👌👌👌

@emmwhite3945 2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🛎❤️🇨🇦

@MrPantera2002 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, we keep learning, very well explained.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am happy you found this helpful.

@hovigdemirdjian1281 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the very informative video, Steve. I really enjoy watching your videos and the wealth of information you provide. Keep it up!

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am happy you are enjoying these. I was unsure of this one. It did not execute in the way that I wanted. Not clear enough...but I can always try again with a better video one day in the future! Cheers.

@hovigdemirdjian1281 Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Maybe better lighting on the electrical connection of the pump towards the end of the video. Black pump and black wire was a bit difficult to see the actual connector type, maybe I am just getting old! Otherwise it was very good. Nice to see visual aids and you in action! I recommend you to everyone I know who has a pool and get good feedback from them about your channel. Keep it up Steve!

@alexibonnet2634 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video very informative

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

I am happy you found this content helpful. And thank you for commenting also!

@darrenlesueur4785 4 ай бұрын

from what i know about useing lacquer and other solvent based finishing is the most important thing is to have a sanded suface for the product to grab and the solvents to get into and chemicaly soften to great a bond

@ItchyKneeSon 10 ай бұрын

I love videos like this. A professional efficiently dumping their knowledge for the 'normies' to use.

@williamtellify Жыл бұрын

great job and info

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@swaptrex 2 ай бұрын

I’d love for you to do a proper video on head loss of suction side plumbing (as far as length) as well as using sweeps vs standard 90’s. You preach it so I assume you already have the numbers as far as loss of suction / return. I’ve been plumbing pools for years, and have yet to see a legitimate study / experiment as far as these numbers go. Looking forward to it finally.

@benchristenson2280 2 ай бұрын

Very good video

@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 ай бұрын

Thank you

@cbar842 Жыл бұрын

I had a "professional" replace my old pumps last year. After watching this video I see he broke your first rule already. There are elbows an inch away from the intakes and outflows. Not only that he reduced a 1 1/2" PVC by using a heat gun and of course it leaked catastrophically. Your video is perfect timing. I have decent knowledge of plumbing and combined with your in depth sharing of knowledge I feel confident I can replumb this the correct way myself. I wish I could Like this video a hundred times. I will probably hire an electrician to review the install as well. I have some PVC lines that are a mystery as to where they lead. A video on tracing down lines would be helpful if you have any wisdom there.

@charlierose1708 Жыл бұрын

We can only work with the space we're given if it was originally plumbed in 2 inches from the vertical suction line you just go with it, it's not ideal but if we told you we have to replumb the pump 10inches back and add another equipment slab or replumb the suction side that will require more work or more $$$ you refuse that 😂

@charliemartz1493 Жыл бұрын

@@charlierose1708 Totally get it. But in my situation there's PLENTY of space to plumb it with 10 inches of straight pipe at the intake. It's a faulty installation in many ways.

@JEMnCo 3 ай бұрын

Awesome information. Question for you. I have 1 1/2" flex lines running underground to and from the equipment. What's the best set up going to and from the pump? 2" ridge PVC from the diverter valve to the pump using the high temp union reducer and then out the same way to 2" all through the equipment and then reducer back down to the pipe line underground?

@Vibrantpoolservices 7 ай бұрын

wow great video. excellent excellent

@LK-ee9bk 2 ай бұрын

Very informative and very helpful, i have question for you, can I install a check valve on the suction line before the pump in a vertical orientation and leave a 12 inch straight 2 inch pipe between the check valve and the pump as you mentioned in the video ?

@bogdanmroar 10 ай бұрын

Hey Steve. Great job there. Thank you for sharing. I have a suggestion. How about a video about how to cut pipes and what tools to use, and another video about a correct way how to glue the pipes? Keep up the good job!

@Swimmingpoolsteve 10 ай бұрын

Great ideas - will do!

@romanwilliams3067 2 ай бұрын

Great information! I have a 27’ above ground pool and need to repipe it. I only have a suction line from the skimmer. Would you recommend 1.5” suction to pump and 2” after pump? Ty!

@stephenlawing4721 Жыл бұрын

Great information in this video! Very detailed! I do have one question. I'm installing my own in ground vinyl pool. It's 8' deep, with a retaining wall on one side (due to the slope of the ground). I'd like to put the pump and filter at the base of the retaining wall to get them out of sight and reduce noise. Everything I've read says this is fine, as long as you install shut off valves on every pipe to stop the flow when servicing the system. But, the pump will be ~5' below the water line. Do you foresee any issues with doing this? Will the pump be ok pumping vertically this far?

@Sprocket9000 10 ай бұрын

Congratulations on an excellent video. I have an AstralPool Victoria Plus Dual Speed pump that a contractor left with only the Eco (low) speed connected via a timer. He promised to return to add a manual switch for the Turbo speed which I used to use only for backwashing but it looks like he's gone AWOL. Do you have a video to show how the pump connections should be made on this model? I'm OK with installing an appropriate switch and ensuring the wiring is safe, it's just a question of which connections inside the pump should be used.

@mstng50l 3 ай бұрын

This is a fantastic video. I learned so much from it. Thank you. One question, where do you recommend finding the PVC? Thank you

@Mr5150guy 8 ай бұрын

Maybe I missed it but with the high temp union that has an o-ring, do you still use Teflon tape and since it has an o-ring and it seems that that particular fitting should be bottomed out to full seat and seal? Thanks

@CU-gf7yi 3 ай бұрын

I live in Hamilton Ontario. You discussed pool electrical bonding. I have a Pioneer inground pool with a concrete surface surrounding it that was installed by Pioneer Pools in 1998. There is no bonding wire on the Hayward pump or heater. Was bonding not a requirement back in 1998. The pool pump is on its own 230v breaker and wired to the pump with a black, white and a ground wire.

@oldsalt8011 3 ай бұрын

Have you looked into a GFCI?

@benjaminreinhardt259 Жыл бұрын

Can you provide a link to the silicone you recommend for using on threaded joints? Thanks!

@danpoczynek 26 күн бұрын

Interesting you say never put anything in front of the suction line I have a Hayward power-Flo XL pump and it has a catch basin literally mounted at the end of the pump, now I do understand hydraulic pressure and I will be moving the catch Baden some distance from the pump and installing ridge pipe everywhere I can with big sweeps

@thenext9537 3 ай бұрын

CRAZY. I just installed a pentair superflo vs (got it on special 1200 on amazon) and I did the sweep elbow........only because I know aerodymics and applied my knowledge of that here. I originally had a lower rad elbow, and then switched it out, because I'm dumb and had a leak because of the cement and I didn't have 100% contact. It happens.

@adagre Ай бұрын

On the topic of electrical, is it common to bond the pool water (with an in line bonding fitting) in Canada? Doesn't seem anyone knows what im talking about when looking for one. All my other things are bonded as required.

@shinaikouka 2 ай бұрын

As someone working on a pool that they inherited through a house purchase, the one thing that I'd stress more than anything... please give yourself ample piping to work with. I was going to install a variable speed pump before opening the pool this year, and honestly... after I took a look at the inlet piping to the pump, I just gave up. It's definitely doable, but since I'd like to move within a few years, the amount of effort just isn't worth it. The problem is that there are just literally no bare pieces of pipe for me to cut and modify to get the ~1" of additional height that I need to properly reach the variable speed pump's inlet. (I tried to use the pump without the bracket -- as noted in the manual -- but it was still not aligned well.) So, so much of the pipe is taken up by valves, couplers, angled adapters, and a union that the only option that I have is to dig up a good 6-12" of dirt around the two inlet pipes, cut them, and rework the run. Although, given that I think there may be a leak in the skimmer's line, it might not be the worst idea to dig up even more and rerun the lines to allow for longer a longer inlet run. There's currently maybe a total of a 1.5 to 2 feet from when the pipe comes out of the ground and gets to the pump's inlet.

@shannon1872 Жыл бұрын

Ive been following your channel and finally decided to upgrade from a intex pool to a more traditional above ground pool. Those sweep 90s I’m my area in non dwv are almost impossible to find. You should get affiliate links selling them. I would buy 6 right now if you had affiliate links lol.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. Sweep ell fittings for pressure rated applications have only barely become available in some areas. Many still you can not find but that is often from pool owners shopping at hardware stores. Hardware stores have terrible selections for pool stuff...even the big guys. Find a pool supplier in your area and you will find you have a lot more to choose from, and more of the right stuff too

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Here is a link to an online retailer with sweep ell pressure rated PVC fittings available, and there is a tracking link for me in there also: www.pntra.com/t/8-9718-298283-105063?sid=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.doheny.com%2Fplumbing-supplies-skt-x-skt-sweep-elbow

@shannon1872 Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve awesome !! I will order some today . Thanks Steve !! Probably sounds hokey but you have been inspirational in my pool ownership journey 😀

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

@shannon1872 that is a big part of the fuel that makes me do this! If not for positive feedback I would have quit 9 years ago!

@TheNine6 11 ай бұрын

Hold the wrench the opposite way. The wrench tightens under pressure, kinda like the Teflon. (when putting in the suction line male adapter)

@danielseddon3177 Жыл бұрын

Great video, super helpful. Thanks Steve. Is there benefit in merging my bottom drain and skimmers with a Wye tee? Mine come vertically out of the ground so I have an opportunity reorient them to being 45 to each other, before merging.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Wye fittings are not used on pool installations. That would be DWV. a tee would be used. But I vastly prefer running isolated plumbing lines to the equipment pad.

@oldsalt8011 3 ай бұрын

Do you gave a video on WEF and the pump?

@greg4673 Ай бұрын

FYI!! LOWE, S is selling Chinese Schd 40 where the MIP, s are failing along the thread to fitting line. Threads are separating from the slip part of the fitting! We've had to go back on 3 jobs and replumb to eliminate those fittings!! 😮😮😮😢😮

@coder6083 Ай бұрын

Not sure if you’re still checking comments on a video this old. Having a new pool installed and our Jandy manual has the sweep 90 directly into the pump as a better option than 4x pipe diameter.

@santorafaeldavis9441 7 ай бұрын

Should the suction inlet of the pool pump be outfitted with a none return check value

@mguerramd Жыл бұрын

What about Plasto-Joint Stik thread sealant? Formulated for PVC threaded joints.

@tikicat147 7 ай бұрын

hi, where should I cut a discharge pipe that is leaking around the seal at the pump...the pipe is about 6 inches, so it is hard for me to tell (not a pro) I want to install a high temp union to fix this - The filter is sucking air

@scottheman 2 ай бұрын

Steve, I love your channel and your intellectual approach to pool care. After watching this video (twice), I have a question regarding the street elbow you are adamantly opposed to. Because of my height restrictions on my equipment, I had no choice but to come out of the pump using the street elbow. What problems can I expect or should I look out for?

@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 ай бұрын

Increased resistance to flow at minimum. Cavitation and compromised hydraulic laminar flow at max. Listen for "rocks tumbling in the pump" which is the sound of (destructive) cavitation. If I hear this it is a replumb needed. Put a housekeeping pad under the filter and lift it by 3.5" to get the clearance you need for a short radius elbow or better, a sweep. Good luck. Thanks for listening to me ramble for 3 hours+ I feel that deserves recognition lol!

@scottheman 2 ай бұрын

@Swimmingpoolsteve Steve, Thanks for the prompt reply. I've been doing my own pool repairs and service for 15 years, and I always learn something new watching your channel. I'm hoping I won't need to re-plumb. I appreciate what you do!

@Dpatel74 Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve. Been watching a lot of your videos. not because I want to install the stuff myself, but to make sure I have an informed conversation with my pool builder and to make sure they are trying to do the best they can. I think some don't know what they don't know. Anyway, I had a question about the pipe diameter and flow properties that you mentioned. Are the efficient Flow dynamics based on the suction side, the return side or both? If you have 2.5 in pipes on the suction side, but 2 in on the return line, what is the max efficient gpm you can achieve? Does the 2 in on the return side restrict the flow and should you insist on it being the same on both sides of the pump?

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

It's more complicated than that. The short answer is, no, you should not insist the pipe is the same size. The pump needs back pressure to operate properly and this often results in larger suction side pipe than on the pressure side. So many different considerations here...but I tend to have something like multiple 2" suction lines which meet at 2.5" pipe on suction side manifold. Then 2.5" though the equipment set, switching back to 2" just after the return manifold. You want to consider laminar flow potential through your trunk lines but also that you need some back pressure on the pump to avoid cavitation.

@christianivandomingueztruj5433 9 ай бұрын

Hello, how can I calculate the HP of the pump if I have solar heaters that are 30ft on the roof of the house?, or should I use a second pump for this propose ?

@BobsPoolService Ай бұрын

Will have to watch the rest later but did want to jump in and say flex pipe underground is not a good idea in many areas. Grubs eat the stuff turning it into swiss cheese. Flex can also become hydrophobic very easily in the presence of low pH (yes, I know pool owners should maintain pH but the reality is not all do). We use the old stuff but the greenflex variety of poly pipe, that stuff I see in the ground lasting 50 years, in fact Cascade had an actual aqua colored version in the 60's and it's lasted on some pool, generally the failure point are the cheap nylon fittings (champion pools was known for using them). Building a new pool I may use hard PVC but for replacement pipes which we do many of the poly pipe is really the best way to go. When flex becomes hydrophobic it kinks or even pops out of the ground like a sea serpent, bad stuff all around in any situation. Those high temp Praher unions are great, I wish companies like Hayward would incorporate union connectors on their multiports.

@barryallen2535 2 ай бұрын

Hey Steve! Can you or anyone else here answer this question please? I have an inground swimming pool of about 30k gallons. I recently decided to buy and install solar panels. Then I bought a solar pool pump but haven't installed it yet. How can I keep my existing pump as a back up or aid to a solar pool pump? My current setup is, water suction -> pump -> booster pump for pressure cleaner -> salt cell -> sand filter -> pressure return to pool. Thank you.

@jgould30 2 ай бұрын

25 year old pool, 20x40, with a sand filter. All piping is 1.5". There are 3 x 1.5" suction lines that feed into that single 1.5" line into the pump. Then a 1.5" line out the pressure side into basically the largest Hayward sand filter they make, and out a 1.5" that breaks out into 4 x 1.5" pipes down into the ground. Not really sure there is any advantage to changing any of it to 2" considering the pipe coming out of the ground is all 1.5". Also all the Jandy valves (6 of them) that are the older style and 1.5". Moving to the new 2" Jandy will be expensive and then have to go form 1.5" to 2" coming out the ground. Haven't had any issues keeping the pool clean once the chemical levels were straightened out (troublefreepools was massive help).

@andycohen9235 11 ай бұрын

Great info, my suggestion is, to hear you better, you may want to get an external mic for your camera.

@otrotland5377 7 ай бұрын

can I use a swimming pool pump on a well pump system?

@marilynward Ай бұрын

What if my pump has 2” but I have only one line. Do I need to reduce to 1 1/2

@JB-bj3os Ай бұрын

my Pentair Intelliflow VS install manual says in big capital letters DO NOT install 90degree elbows directly into pump (voids warranty), I see your setup has a 90 sweep elbow on the outflow top of the pump. They don't give a reason, and I have no idea what difference that would make frankly. Comments?

@bryanmerrick1200 3 ай бұрын

Great video Steve. Helped me a lot. I have an old pool with a single 1.5” skimmer suction line. I recently bought a Hayward Tristar VSP (1.85hp) that comes with the 2” (2.5”) black unions for both the suction inlet and pressure outlet. Was this a bad purchase? After watching your video, I feel like things would be vastly more simple if I bought a pump with 1.5” inlets.

@Swimmingpoolsteve 3 ай бұрын

Changing pipe size is very common. It's just one bushing. Bit having the right pump is important. This is a powerful pump which can operate without damaging itself on 1.5" pipe but that is not to say it's safe for your / every pool. How many suction lines total. Is it a long pull, or a high push to rooftop solar? What is your filter max design flow rate? Lots of questions which generally is why it is advisable to bring in a local pro. At least this is the way the pool industry wants pool owners to go.

@bryanmerrick1200 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the quick response Steve. I have a local pro coming to my house next week to assist with the plumb in. But I’m happy to be equipped with some knowledge going into it now. I’ll probably keep the pump, as it’s going to run 24 hours a day at very slow speeds.

@MemoCelis 2 ай бұрын

I had zero pressure. My problem was at the propeller that had some debris It was easy to remove with my fingers after that I was golden

@TheTurtletime 11 ай бұрын

I have 3 suction lines and I’d like to go from 1.5” to 2” for the short section before the pump, but if I do that then my straight pipe length drops below the 5X diameter rule. Is it overall better to have bigger pipes or a longer suction pipe?

@Swimmingpoolsteve 11 ай бұрын

I would take the 2" pipe from the manifold forward. And I would definitely try a way to move the pump and get the clearance you need, but in a situation where there is "no other option" I would use the 2" pipe with slightly less straight run than needed.

@amesweb Жыл бұрын

Just an FYI, motor connections are done with stranded NOT solid wire for reasons of vibration. Thus why that pump has spade connections on it. If you want to terminate directly to the screw you need to crimp a connector on your stranded supply conductor.

@texgking9308 9 ай бұрын

Why does water spurt out the clean out lid every time I shut off the pump? 1 1/2 hp motor with sand filter. 2" inlet and 2: outlet like you say..

@acrothdragon 9 ай бұрын

In my years maintaining swimming pools and installing pumps. Flex pipe is just terrible the heat that can build up and the chlorine will just break down the flex pipe and you’re left with these blown out or gummed up piping. Schedule 40 is a good pipe to use if you want to go a bit more over board in protecting it from heat build up you can put a length of schedule 80 the grey pipe straight threaded. These also work well when coming off heaters just adds that bit more protection from boil off that could happen. Then use your unions to make it easier to take the pump off to service it and not have a mess of couplings. Really the only thing I’d consider flex pipe is hooking it up on to the backwash line and in your portable spas. Short and long radius 90’s my feelings are try to make it where you don’t have a bunch of them it just hampers flow and really puts strain on your pump use physics put a down grade to your plumbing so your pump isn’t trying to pull water a couple dozen feet up maybe a few feet at your skimmer and drain intakes. A pump below grade is fine just be sure to have ball valves to cut off the flow so you’re not losing water.

@terrywass5477 Жыл бұрын

sweep elbows hard to find. lowes carries them but only at the bigger stores. they are labeled as swimming pool elbows. i usually have to make an extra 20 minute drive to get them. hey are kind of pricey, around $ 7.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

pool suppliers should all have them also. Lowes and other hardware store chains usually have very little in the way of pool specific stuff.

@ShyFx8 Жыл бұрын

Interesting video. have seen on some pool pumps that they are specified for a maximum water temperature of 35 degrees Celsius. What happens if you have a higher water temperature then?

@drdrew3 Жыл бұрын

Does your pool water temperature really stay above 35C? That doesn’t sound refreshing at all - that’s approaching hot tub temp

@ShyFx8 Жыл бұрын

I use to have 47c degrees in the water.. just kidding. It is between 30 and 32c degrees in my pool. But just wondered why it says 35 degrees maximum water temperature on most pool pumps.

@Think-dont-believe 3 ай бұрын

@@drdrew3we keep our pool at 98’… in Denver and the air is always dry and rarely hot… hottest days of year still fluctuate 40’.. day & night so jump in jump out dry air burrrrrrr… I get so excited when night temp stays out of 50’s .. with Bill Gates dimming we are not even getting our sunshine everyday we use to be able to count on.. :( (No that’s not theory.. it’s been contracted w ski resorts since the 70’s.. that’s why it’s always so dreary on the ski slopes and bright sunshine when you get away) anyway now doing here ..

@jeffreylance8662 3 ай бұрын

Ive got a 1.5hp pentair pump, how do i find high temp unions that thread onto the pump? Really want to avoid the 1.5" thread into unions.

@oldsalt8011 3 ай бұрын

Good Luck. I could not find any so Hayward sent me a P/N. It turned out to a regular PVC type.

@adagre Жыл бұрын

My Pool company provided me with the flex for underground, should i transistion to rigid below grade? Or should i just ditch the flex and go get some rigid for everything. The pool is ready for the skimmer and returns to be plumbed.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

That is a consideration too technical for a yp KZfaq comment. Lots to consider. In general, rigid is superior across the board. But in cold climates you see flex on 90% of new installs.

@adagre Жыл бұрын

@Swimmingpoolsteve I'm in Ontario, Canada. I just meant should I transition from the provided flex, to rigid, before going to the equipment, below grade or have the flex come up above grade then transition? In other words should any of the flex be exposed above grade (considering UV etc.) Thanks for your reply, your content is excellent!

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

You normally transition above ground. Rigid pipe would need a pipe chase to exit the ground in an area with freeze and thaw and still might crack.

@adagre Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you!

@josht4741 Жыл бұрын

U mentioned a sheilded bonfong wire. I thought the wire needed to be unshielded so it could contact earth while running the perimeter and f the pool, 4-6" deep??

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

Depends on where you live and whether you are under NEC or CEC code

@MadMonk67 3 ай бұрын

Interesting. I'm in the US and my bonding wire is not shielded and a solid wire, not stranded.

@ericpamcrouch8013 5 ай бұрын

At 46:53 you said that when switching from 1.5 inch to 2 inch on the suction side and you have only one suction point, you can’t do it. I’m not sure I heard that correctly. I am currently abandoning my main drain and only going to utilize my skimmer and want to go with 2 inch from the skimmer to the pump. Is that permissible?

@Swimmingpoolsteve 5 ай бұрын

You can have a 2" pipe from skimmer to pump, yes. You can't run 1.5" pipe from thr skimmer and then change it to 2" in front of the pump. The whole line has to be 2" OR ypu have to have multiple 1.5" pipes to effectively feed a 2" pipe

@cyay918 2 ай бұрын

Im confused. Why worry about running 2 inch suction lines if the pump housing itself is only 1.5? Seems like any benefit you would aim to get would be taken away at that 2 inch to 1.5 inch reducer at the pump threads on the suction side.

@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 ай бұрын

The inefficiency is momentary in the pipe section where the restriction exists. It does not limit the entirety of the system efficiency so there is benefit in improving all areas of the system. Most pumps come with 2 and 2.5" native ports these days. Rarely 1.5" ports, and even when so, simply change to 2" pipe immediately out of the intake and outlet. This is pretty normal for pool equipment and only adds a minor increase in total restriction to flow / laminar flow potential

@joecarrillo8217 9 ай бұрын

What if you have 1 1/2 piping my pool was installed in 1965

@whip-its_dad4239 Ай бұрын

Hello Steve , can you tell me the difference between a high head and low head Hayward pump and even if there is such a thing .

@Swimmingpoolsteve Ай бұрын

Medium head is super pump and maxflo pumps. Higher head is the tristar 900 and Tristar 950

@Swimmingpoolsteve Ай бұрын

Which is to say medium head pumps are for pushing against medium resistance to flow. If you increase resistance too much the pump moves hardly any water. In which case a pump designed for that higher range of pushing performs better on these systems

@whip-its_dad4239 Ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Ok Steve I got a little better idea of what I need . Thank you .

@shannon1872 Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the double comment … when a pump has internal threads and outter treads , are the outter threads called FBT ? It’s confusing when trying to find unions for the outter threads for me … was wondering what the differences was

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

A buttress fitting is probably not what you want. You would start with which pump you have and likely that will enable you to find the right threads for the connector. If it is a standard thread then you might have 1.5" female pipe thread on the inside, and 2" male pipe thread on the outside, which means a threaded female adapter would fit. But not if it is a prorietary thread.

@shannon1872 Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve gotcha thanks !! It’s a waterway hi flow 2 1hp 2 speed. Was trying to see if I can upgrade from 1.5 inch to 2 inch pvc.

@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын

@@shannon1872 even if you use the native 1.5" threaded connection port you may be able to still have 2" pipe. More than the connection point to the pump is the amount of suction lines feeding the system. For example on a commercial pool it is common to have pipes that are 4", 6" 10" in size. We do not use pumps with 10" suction ports. Just regular 2". 2.5" and 3" ports. So it is normal to throttle down at the pump intake even when you are feeding with larger pipes. Yes, there is an efficiency loss at that location, but this is the accepted standard and is not detrimental to the pump to do so.

@jetrep Жыл бұрын

I wish the folks that built my pool watched this video! I fib the warranties for non professional installs to be ridiculous considering how often the "pros" do a terrible installation.

@jacobgardner4101 6 ай бұрын

how would you connect a T to a 90? would you use a threaded connection?

@Swimmingpoolsteve 5 ай бұрын

Never would I use a threaded connection for this.

@steveordonez847 5 ай бұрын

The sky is Bernie starting off and he’s really confuse me moving on thanks buddy

@_mysilentblue2227 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic video, if you own or work on your pool (one in the same really) Subscribe. Do it right do it once.

@gmptaillefer 2 ай бұрын

Instead of using 90 degrees; I use 2 45 degrees … is that ok ?

@giffordgarcia1117 11 ай бұрын

Why do you have to forget about converting from 1.5" to 2" if you have only one suction line? You never explain the disadvantages or issues that could arise if you do this and its slightly frustrating as the rest of your video is insanely spot on and informative an actual novice could follow along and most likely plumb an equipment system properly. I've been taking notes this entire time watching this and you just left me hanging with no more knowledge :/

@Swimmingpoolsteve 4 ай бұрын

If you have only a 1.5" suction line there is no (can be no) advantage to increasing in pipe size on the equipment pad. The small suction line fails to be able to supply the large pipes through the equipment. It creates turbulence and potentially cavitation due to the small pipe trying to full a larger pipe. This is why you need more than one suction line a 1.5" to adequately supply a 2" pipe.

@giffordgarcia1117 4 ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve awesome video!

@giffordgarcia1117 4 ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve awesome video!

@jrviade85 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 silly boy lol

@Think-dont-believe 3 ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolstevepump is 1.5 union and 2 inch rigid 13:35 oh speak of the devil

@nascarman38n88 6 ай бұрын

Irrigation is my trade, when I see valves butt up without room for replacement without replacing 3 other valves drives me crazy

@duke217 3 ай бұрын

1:14:27 you want to use crimped terminals on flex wires. Using rigid wires around a screw is not safe, and in some countries, not even a legal way to connect wires.

@jimamentas7190 Ай бұрын

I think the hardest part is programming a variable pump

@TrainerBencoffman 8 ай бұрын

Why not use three inch plumbing for more flow and less pump energy. Great video by the way.

@stevehei8035 Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t 45 degrees fittings be better than hard 90 degree fittings. 😊

@drdrew3 Жыл бұрын

You would need two 45 degree fittings to accomplish the navigate the same route as one 90 degree fitting. Any decrease in flow resistance from the lesser angle would be negating by the DOUBLING the changes in direction of flow. Additionally the 45 degree fittings would have to be very close to each other given that most equipment pads are fairly confined spaces. So 45 degree fittings wind up shortening the straight runs where efficient laminar flow is created.

@generessler6282 Жыл бұрын

@@drdrew3 True. On the other hand, in some cases like where two 90's are being used in a "Z" config to shift the axis of a pipe in a plane, and you have the room, two 45's are a better choice.

@terrywass5477 Жыл бұрын

@@generessler6282 i have used that. a couple weeks ago my pentair vs went out (control blew at a cost of around $ 500) so i purchased a b and d VS. needed one more sweep 90 which i didn't have. so i did in that case used 2 45's together.

@lfspinho 3 ай бұрын

Great job on the installation instructions! However, it's essential to use the International System of Units for consistency and clarity-meters, centimeters, and millimeters are standard globally. Let's adopt these measures to align with international standards.